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SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
February 11 2011 12:38 GMT
#121
On February 11 2011 14:16 Kenpachi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 13:16 BisuDagger wrote:
On February 10 2011 14:03 Kenpachi wrote:
On February 10 2011 13:58 blue001 wrote:
Kenpachi you haven't proved any of the points you made. Stronger mentality? Jaedong always fights for his life like vs Snow. Better ZvZ? Jaedong's ultimate record shows he has Bo5 experience and ZvZ experience that is backed by his micro.. Also Jaedong annihilated Effort... So.. If he has the power of effort he'll probably fall like effort too. Hydra's recent ZvZ records could be a one-time win streak thing which is going to be ended by Jaedong, he doesn't have a good ZvZ history to show consistency like Jaedong

Stronger Mentality - Destroys everyone. Annihilates with the CJ face without even blinking. (Bisu Jaedong Calm are just a few examples)
Jaedong even admitted he wasnt playing top tier vs Snow. Jaedong probably only takes it seriously vs the likes of Stork, Bisu and Flash.
Who else is good enough to take down Jaedong in a Bo5? Hydra
Recent ZvZ shows Hydra will be more prepared.
Power of Effort in a specialty unit.
Explain to me why Hydra's 1 time streak isnt coming to an end any time soon?



Let's disprove you one at a time.
Stronger Mentality: Jaedong has come back again and again to the Ro4 and finals consistently even after being defeated by the god flash. He has no record of a slump. He has the better ZvZ elo. And he never takes a win for granted. Every interview he tell them he will train harder and win better.

Jaedong admitted he wasn't playing to tier to snow: So this means when JD does play top tier its gonna be something fierce. Because he played pretty damn well against a flawless playing snow.

Who else is good enough to take JD down? After defending JD, I will admit who can actually beat him. KT Flash. has consistently beat him in the Bo5 last year. and I doubt Hydra is in the same league as Flash.

Recent ZvZ shows hydra will be more prepared: ....What?!? JD has the most experience in this match up. He defeated Fake Yellow in the finals a couple years back. He's more then prepared and more experienced.

Power of Effort in a specialty unit: That makes no sense. So Im going to assume you mean he's alien to. Which is unlikely.

Explain to me why Hydra's 1 time streak isnt coming to an end any time soon?:
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..
...
JvZ...that is all


Stronger Mentality- DO YOU EVEN WATCH THEM PLAY? Jaedong has been shaky as fuck while hydra just stomps people down. Other than his series vs Snow ..

I was just saying that Jaedong's Bo5 Record was tainted and probably stopped working after Flash took him down so many times.

Recent ZvZ. How many ZvZs did they both play since Early December?

Effort was well known for ling control.

JvZ doesnt exist anymore. its done. now its normal ZvZ because Jaedong cant dominate from a BO disadvantage anymore.


remember like 2 years back when Fantasy first started being good? Jaedong spent like a month dropping games to noobies and got schooled by fantasy, even letting his team down in proleague finals. What happened 2 weeks later? He won a motherfucking OSL. Never count out the dong
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Askalaphos
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Germany772 Posts
February 11 2011 12:44 GMT
#122
We need a Zerg to fill the hole Effort leaves... but not tomorrow....
GO JAEDONG!!!!!! Legend Killer!!!
FavZerg: EffOrt, Jaedong; FavProtoss: Movie, Kal; FavTerran: BaBy, Leta
_Quasar_
Profile Joined October 2010
Russian Federation4405 Posts
February 11 2011 13:57 GMT
#123
On February 11 2011 21:28 aimaimaim wrote:
tomorrow will be the day that Hydra will be forgotten ..

just like Shine ..


lol who forgotten Shine? o.o Definitely not me. That guy has insane micro, and the best part that he doesnt even seem to put any efforts in it (while others sweat like hell when trying to do some micro tricks).

And Hydra is good, regardless of the outcome of 1/2, he won't be "forgotten", as he has a highest-class standard game.
For the Swarm!!! Jaedong & Neo_G.Soulkey fan.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 15:03:13
February 11 2011 14:29 GMT
#124
People forget just how awesome JD is because he's been overshadowed for quite some time now by perhaps the greatest player to ever play the game. But when was the last time JD lost a Bo5 to someone who wasn't Flash? He only got knocked out once from a Starleague during the entire 2010 to someone not Flash, and that was by Baby in a Bo3 if I remember correctly. Other than that I don't think literally any human has stopped him in any BoX since Clam back in 09.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
February 11 2011 14:30 GMT
#125
24% for Hydra lol. I think Hydra have a slight advantage, but I can see him losing if he gets too nervous and mess up his micro. If Hydra plays like he's been playing lately I think he will win 3-1 or 3-2, maybe lose 2-3 if Jaedong play godly.

It's quite depressing knowing that if Bisu had beaten Stork, and then rolled Zero and great, we would have had a Bisu vs Hydra/Jaedong finals. How epic would that have been?
swanized
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada2480 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 15:05:40
February 11 2011 15:05 GMT
#126
On February 11 2011 23:30 ninini wrote:
24% for Hydra lol. I think Hydra have a slight advantage, but I can see him losing if he gets too nervous and mess up his micro. If Hydra plays like he's been playing lately I think he will win 3-1 or 3-2, maybe lose 2-3 if Jaedong play godly.

It's quite depressing knowing that if Bisu had beaten Stork, and then rolled Zero and great, we would have had a Bisu vs Hydra/Jaedong finals. How epic would that have been?


except zero would have rolled over bisu
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TacToSs
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia330 Posts
February 11 2011 15:27 GMT
#127
I can't call myself a true JD fan because I can't say he'll win for sure =/ I never like the ZvZ matchup as I always say it's 50/50 but I really hope JD pulls through and gets that gold badge.
Jaedong <3
gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
February 11 2011 15:41 GMT
#128
On February 12 2011 00:27 TacToSs wrote:
I can't call myself a true JD fan because I can't say he'll win for sure =/ I never like the ZvZ matchup as I always say it's 50/50 but I really hope JD pulls through and gets that gold badge.


Tomorrow will make you believe!!!

GO JAEDONG GO!!!
JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
February 11 2011 16:08 GMT
#129
On February 11 2011 23:29 Holgerius wrote:
People forget just how awesome JD is because he's been overshadowed for quite some time now by perhaps the greatest player to ever play any game. But when was the last time JD lost a Bo5 to someone who wasn't Flash? He only got knocked out once from a Starleague during the entire 2010 to someone not Flash, and that was by Baby in a Bo3 if I remember correctly. Other than that I don't think literally any human has stopped him in any BoX since Clam back in 09.


Fixed :p
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
February 11 2011 16:16 GMT
#130
Don't know if I agree with the fix, what about that swedish Super Metroid player?
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
February 11 2011 16:30 GMT
#131
On February 11 2011 22:57 _Quasar_ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 21:28 aimaimaim wrote:
tomorrow will be the day that Hydra will be forgotten ..

just like Shine ..


lol who forgotten Shine? o.o Definitely not me. That guy has insane micro, and the best part that he doesnt even seem to put any efforts in it (while others sweat like hell when trying to do some micro tricks).

And Hydra is good, regardless of the outcome of 1/2, he won't be "forgotten", as he has a highest-class standard game.


It only looks like his micro is insane because his playstyle features nothing else. A lot of Zergs can match his micro but they rely on their macro a lot more which is why you don't notice it as much. When half your games are all ins, all that's going to be showcased is your micro. Not to say Shine's micro is bad, its actually really good, but its not "insane" and theres quite a few zergs who could match / beat it. Even Great's shown some really good muta micro lately and its not like he's making any starleague fi-......oh....right
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
February 11 2011 16:47 GMT
#132
On February 12 2011 00:05 swanized wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 23:30 ninini wrote:
24% for Hydra lol. I think Hydra have a slight advantage, but I can see him losing if he gets too nervous and mess up his micro. If Hydra plays like he's been playing lately I think he will win 3-1 or 3-2, maybe lose 2-3 if Jaedong play godly.

It's quite depressing knowing that if Bisu had beaten Stork, and then rolled Zero and great, we would have had a Bisu vs Hydra/Jaedong finals. How epic would that have been?


except zero would have rolled over bisu


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User was warned for this post
gongryong
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Korea (South)1430 Posts
February 11 2011 16:47 GMT
#133
On February 12 2011 01:08 Cpadolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2011 23:29 Holgerius wrote:
People forget just how awesome JD is because he's been overshadowed for quite some time now by perhaps the noobest most arrogant most boring turtle player to ever play the game. But when was the last time JD lost a Bo5 to someone who wasn't Flash? He only got knocked out once from a Starleague during the entire 2010 to someone not Flash, and that was by Baby in a Bo3 if I remember correctly. Other than that I don't think literally any human has stopped him in any BoX since Clam back in 09. JEADONG IS BW GOD!


Fixed :p


Real final fixed.
JAEDONG ÜBERBONJWA!
Cpadolf
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden1199 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 17:05:41
February 11 2011 17:05 GMT
#134
On February 12 2011 01:16 Holgerius wrote:
Don't know if I agree with the fix, what about that swedish Super Metroid player?


Oh, yeah, I forgot. That guy is amazing! :D
Deletrious
Profile Joined December 2007
United States458 Posts
February 11 2011 17:55 GMT
#135
"The reports of my death are greatly exaggerated." -Mark Twain

Jaedong is 6-2 75% since last December. A HUGE 1% dropoff from his 76% win rating in zvz. Lol. Ok Jaedong is mortal, and Flash has gotten the better than him last year, but come on, what reason is there to believe JvZ doesn't exist?

Jaedong to win comfortably 3-0 or 3-1.
Bow before the Dongjwa.
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
February 11 2011 18:01 GMT
#136
On February 12 2011 02:05 Cpadolf wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2011 01:16 Holgerius wrote:
Don't know if I agree with the fix, what about that swedish Super Metroid player?


Oh, yeah, I forgot. That guy is amazing! :D

You are indeed.
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
n.DieJokes
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3443 Posts
February 11 2011 18:15 GMT
#137
On February 12 2011 00:27 TacToSs wrote:
I can't call myself a true JD fan because I can't say he'll win for sure =/ I never like the ZvZ matchup as I always say it's 50/50 but I really hope JD pulls through and gets that gold badge.

You know, I feel that same way and yet Jaedongs ZvZ is the most consistent (highest win rate) mu in all of pro-gaming. Better than any of FlaSh mu's (although his TvT is getting disgustingly close), or Bisu's or Storks or anyone, ever. If you want to look at stats there is no safer bet in pro-gaming than JD vs zerg. Hydra's streaking right now, thats nice; Jaedong has been streaking for arguably his entire career.
MyLove + Your Love= Supa Love
CCa1ss1e
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3231 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-02-11 18:34:58
February 11 2011 18:28 GMT
#138
Everyone ready for tonight?

WL too, that will fill the *gap until 3AM..

XD
~ The Ultimate Weapon
MuffinDude
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States3837 Posts
February 11 2011 18:30 GMT
#139
Jaedong win this please, so I can see you play hive tech zvz. Don't really care about hydra >.>
Zerg can be so abusive sometimes | third member of the "loli is not a crime club" PM konadora to join!
ninini
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden1204 Posts
February 11 2011 18:30 GMT
#140
On February 12 2011 01:47 ninini wrote:

[image loading]


User was warned for this post


lol, what a joke. You're not allowed to post pictures without having extra text attached to it. The only reason why I didn't add any text is because what I wanted to say was already in the picture and without the picture noone would get it. But maybe I should've added extra subtitles?
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