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nextstep
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada705 Posts
January 21 2011 15:45 GMT
#581
go Stork!
go KHAN! TBLS <3
Lightwip
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5497 Posts
January 21 2011 15:45 GMT
#582
On January 21 2011 22:45 baubo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2011 22:30 hauton wrote:
On January 21 2011 21:47 baubo wrote:
On January 21 2011 21:32 hauton wrote:
Oh please. As much as I love Stork, I'm not going to make excuses for that loss to Zero.

Preparation hasn't stopped Flash, Nada and countless others who've made simultaneous SL semi/finals.

Map imbalance mean little considering Zero pulled a non-standard BO.

And to be honest, all these excuses just downplay all the wrong moves Stork made throughout that game, and all the right ones Zero did.

Had Zero played like Modesty today, I highly doubt he'd be sitting one up on Stork right now.


Nobody's denying that Zero played well. But Stork's overall feel for the game was obviously off. Stork doesn't play on the map in the PL, and he's only had to practice for two PvPs on this map for the MSL. So whatever he prepared for Zero would be the only time he practiced PvZ on this map. Quite simply, he did not look comfortable in that game.

As for two titles in the same season, it has happened twice. By the two players you mentioned. I really want to know the "countless others" you are referring to.


Stork is in a quarter- and semi-final situation, which many progamers have been in before. Of those, Flash and Nada went all the way and won both leagues outright. The countless others include everyone else who's ever simultaneously made it into the finals, semi-finals, or any combination thereof, regardless of result. They are proof that Stork was not in some Mission Impossible scenario, and had every chance to beat Zero last night.


No. You're saying it's easy for Stork to advance in both leagues, which would imply Finals for the OSL, and Semi-finals for the MSL. And given that protoss is much more map dependent than other races, they require the most practice in order to fully prepare for each maps.

Anyway, how many players in history have done this? And how many of them are protosses?

Well Bisu was in Gomtv MSL S3 Finals and Ever 07 OSL semis, so he made dual semis.
If you are not Bisu, chances are I hate you.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
January 21 2011 15:56 GMT
#583
So it's confirmed that other than Bisu and Stork, no Protoss in the past few years has made it to dual semis.
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-21 15:57:53
January 21 2011 15:57 GMT
#584
On January 21 2011 22:57 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2011 22:45 hauton wrote:
On January 21 2011 22:33 Holgerius wrote:
I normally try to refrain from using strong words against people myself, but in this case I just couldn't help myself. Just because Flash made it look easy to keep on winning Bo5s in consecutive days last year doesn't mean it isn't really, really, really, really hard and unusual.

I think I clarified in my last post, but just to be clear:

I mentioned Flash and Nada explicitly because they were the only two I know for a fact have succeeded in simultaneous SLs. Because they went all the way and won them both outright.

Stork should not be excused for his loss to Zero because many people have won simultaneous BOXs at the quarter- and semi-final level. He doesn't need to be Flash or Nada to do that.

Mention these ''many people'' please.


Here, I did some of his research for him (and I'll be posting more on this later, but for now the relevant information:

Six players have made double finals: NaDa, ChoJJa, Reach, sAviOr, Flash, and Jaedong.
Flash made double finals 3 times, NaDa 2.
Two of them have won both once: NaDa and Flash
Two of them have lost both: ChoJJa (both to NaDa) and Jaedong (both to Flash)
Reach and sAviOr both split, one win one loss.

Now, I realize we're talking about Ro8 here in the MSL still, but the point is: the people who make the dual finals are the absolute best in the game. We've got 3 bonjwas, 1 god, and 2 players who made multiple other starleague finals. Stork may or may not be in quite that company.
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Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11076 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-21 16:10:20
January 21 2011 16:09 GMT
#585
Stork fiiighting. God. It;s always good to see fantasy lose. It'll be especially sweet to deny Fantasy an OSL again.

Stork is totally in that company... except with his luck/finals play he'll end up with dual silvers.
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FlaShFTW
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
United States10347 Posts
January 21 2011 16:20 GMT
#586
YAH!!! SONG BYUNG GOO!!! STORKU!!!

STORK 3-2!!!
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PangO
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Chile1870 Posts
January 21 2011 16:23 GMT
#587
Oh yea, Stork did it.
We have some amazing Finals now.
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Baddieko
Profile Joined October 2008
Singapore855 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-21 16:39:38
January 21 2011 16:38 GMT
#588
On January 22 2011 00:57 Musoeun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2011 22:57 Holgerius wrote:
On January 21 2011 22:45 hauton wrote:
On January 21 2011 22:33 Holgerius wrote:
I normally try to refrain from using strong words against people myself, but in this case I just couldn't help myself. Just because Flash made it look easy to keep on winning Bo5s in consecutive days last year doesn't mean it isn't really, really, really, really hard and unusual.

I think I clarified in my last post, but just to be clear:

I mentioned Flash and Nada explicitly because they were the only two I know for a fact have succeeded in simultaneous SLs. Because they went all the way and won them both outright.

Stork should not be excused for his loss to Zero because many people have won simultaneous BOXs at the quarter- and semi-final level. He doesn't need to be Flash or Nada to do that.

Mention these ''many people'' please.


Here, I did some of his research for him (and I'll be posting more on this later, but for now the relevant information:

Six players have made double finals: NaDa, ChoJJa, Reach, sAviOr, Flash, and Jaedong.
Flash made double finals 3 times, NaDa 2.
Two of them have won both once: NaDa and Flash
Two of them have lost both: ChoJJa (both to NaDa) and Jaedong (both to Flash)
Reach and sAviOr both split, one win one loss.

Now, I realize we're talking about Ro8 here in the MSL still, but the point is: the people who make the dual finals are the absolute best in the game. We've got 3 bonjwas, 1 god, and 2 players who made multiple other starleague finals. Stork may or may not be in quite that company.


The point is no protoss win dual finals. Protoss isn't good enough, Terran and Zerg always possible in this era no matter who is he. Some T and Z will be there.
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
January 21 2011 16:49 GMT
#589
On January 22 2011 00:57 Musoeun wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 21 2011 22:57 Holgerius wrote:
On January 21 2011 22:45 hauton wrote:
On January 21 2011 22:33 Holgerius wrote:
I normally try to refrain from using strong words against people myself, but in this case I just couldn't help myself. Just because Flash made it look easy to keep on winning Bo5s in consecutive days last year doesn't mean it isn't really, really, really, really hard and unusual.

I think I clarified in my last post, but just to be clear:

I mentioned Flash and Nada explicitly because they were the only two I know for a fact have succeeded in simultaneous SLs. Because they went all the way and won them both outright.

Stork should not be excused for his loss to Zero because many people have won simultaneous BOXs at the quarter- and semi-final level. He doesn't need to be Flash or Nada to do that.

Mention these ''many people'' please.


Here, I did some of his research for him (and I'll be posting more on this later, but for now the relevant information:

Six players have made double finals: NaDa, ChoJJa, Reach, sAviOr, Flash, and Jaedong.
Flash made double finals 3 times, NaDa 2.
Two of them have won both once: NaDa and Flash
Two of them have lost both: ChoJJa (both to NaDa) and Jaedong (both to Flash)
Reach and sAviOr both split, one win one loss.

Now, I realize we're talking about Ro8 here in the MSL still, but the point is: the people who make the dual finals are the absolute best in the game. We've got 3 bonjwas, 1 god, and 2 players who made multiple other starleague finals. Stork may or may not be in quite that company.




Stork probably could be if he wasn't offracing, playing WoW, watching One Piece and playing cell phone games while Flash/Jaedong/Bisu is practicing.
Titusmaster6
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States5937 Posts
January 21 2011 17:16 GMT
#590
Stork! Woohoo you're back in the finals baby!!! It's been a while
Shorts down shorts up, BOOM, just like that.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-21 17:26:38
January 21 2011 17:22 GMT
#591
Stork has been playing absolutely amazing lately, If he wins it all he would totally eclipse Bisu's career achievements and replace him as the number 1 toss player of all time. He is performing on S class level in all match ups, even in PvZ, I'm not for a minute going to suggest he has a better PvZ than Bisu, but its as good as...
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alffla
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
Hong Kong20321 Posts
January 21 2011 17:41 GMT
#592
THAT WAS SUCH A DOMINATING PERFORMANCE HOLY SHIT%!%!%!%!%!%

made pvz look imba man srsly

better thna bisu

best pvz ive seen in recent times
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kamikami
Profile Joined November 2010
France1057 Posts
January 21 2011 17:45 GMT
#593
On January 22 2011 02:22 disciple wrote:
Stork has been playing absolutely amazing lately, If he wins it all he would totally eclipse Bisu's career achievements and replace him as the number 1 toss player of all time. He is performing on S class level in all match ups, even in PvZ, I'm not for a minute going to suggest he has a better PvZ than Bisu, but its as good as...


Yes if Stork win both OSL and MSL he will replace Bisu as the best Toss of all time and the most successful Toss of all time, the only title that will be left for Bisu is the "sexiest Toss of all time".
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hauton
Profile Joined March 2009
Hong Kong743 Posts
January 21 2011 17:58 GMT
#594
On January 22 2011 01:38 Baddieko wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 00:57 Musoeun wrote:
On January 21 2011 22:57 Holgerius wrote:
On January 21 2011 22:45 hauton wrote:
On January 21 2011 22:33 Holgerius wrote:
I normally try to refrain from using strong words against people myself, but in this case I just couldn't help myself. Just because Flash made it look easy to keep on winning Bo5s in consecutive days last year doesn't mean it isn't really, really, really, really hard and unusual.

I think I clarified in my last post, but just to be clear:

I mentioned Flash and Nada explicitly because they were the only two I know for a fact have succeeded in simultaneous SLs. Because they went all the way and won them both outright.

Stork should not be excused for his loss to Zero because many people have won simultaneous BOXs at the quarter- and semi-final level. He doesn't need to be Flash or Nada to do that.

Mention these ''many people'' please.


Here, I did some of his research for him (and I'll be posting more on this later, but for now the relevant information:

Six players have made double finals: NaDa, ChoJJa, Reach, sAviOr, Flash, and Jaedong.
Flash made double finals 3 times, NaDa 2.
Two of them have won both once: NaDa and Flash
Two of them have lost both: ChoJJa (both to NaDa) and Jaedong (both to Flash)
Reach and sAviOr both split, one win one loss.

Now, I realize we're talking about Ro8 here in the MSL still, but the point is: the people who make the dual finals are the absolute best in the game. We've got 3 bonjwas, 1 god, and 2 players who made multiple other starleague finals. Stork may or may not be in quite that company.


The point is no protoss win dual finals. Protoss isn't good enough, Terran and Zerg always possible in this era no matter who is he. Some T and Z will be there.

The point has never been about Tosses winning dual finals.

The point is what justification, if any, did Stork have for losing to Zero on MSL?

I mean the fanboys can make all the excuses they want, but Stork admitted himself, according to the interview, that he prepared a lot for that match. And he lost.

I think that's about as simple as it gets.
keep it up, youll either be famous or homeless one day
anatem
Profile Joined September 2010
Romania1369 Posts
January 21 2011 18:20 GMT
#595
wow, did stork dish out some pain, the finals should be pretty epic
'Tis with our Judgements as our Watches, none / Go just alike, yet each believes his own.
Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
January 21 2011 18:43 GMT
#596
On January 22 2011 02:58 hauton wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 22 2011 01:38 Baddieko wrote:
On January 22 2011 00:57 Musoeun wrote:
On January 21 2011 22:57 Holgerius wrote:
On January 21 2011 22:45 hauton wrote:
On January 21 2011 22:33 Holgerius wrote:
I normally try to refrain from using strong words against people myself, but in this case I just couldn't help myself. Just because Flash made it look easy to keep on winning Bo5s in consecutive days last year doesn't mean it isn't really, really, really, really hard and unusual.

I think I clarified in my last post, but just to be clear:

I mentioned Flash and Nada explicitly because they were the only two I know for a fact have succeeded in simultaneous SLs. Because they went all the way and won them both outright.

Stork should not be excused for his loss to Zero because many people have won simultaneous BOXs at the quarter- and semi-final level. He doesn't need to be Flash or Nada to do that.

Mention these ''many people'' please.


Here, I did some of his research for him (and I'll be posting more on this later, but for now the relevant information:

Six players have made double finals: NaDa, ChoJJa, Reach, sAviOr, Flash, and Jaedong.
Flash made double finals 3 times, NaDa 2.
Two of them have won both once: NaDa and Flash
Two of them have lost both: ChoJJa (both to NaDa) and Jaedong (both to Flash)
Reach and sAviOr both split, one win one loss.

Now, I realize we're talking about Ro8 here in the MSL still, but the point is: the people who make the dual finals are the absolute best in the game. We've got 3 bonjwas, 1 god, and 2 players who made multiple other starleague finals. Stork may or may not be in quite that company.


The point is no protoss win dual finals. Protoss isn't good enough, Terran and Zerg always possible in this era no matter who is he. Some T and Z will be there.

The point has never been about Tosses winning dual finals.

The point is what justification, if any, did Stork have for losing to Zero on MSL?

I mean the fanboys can make all the excuses they want, but Stork admitted himself, according to the interview, that he prepared a lot for that match. And he lost.

I think that's about as simple as it gets.


Dude. It's really a little possible that ZerO is good at ZvP. It's his best matchup. I'm not trying to excuse Stork's loss (or his play), I'm just puzzled by people reacting as though Stork had an autowin there.
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slappy
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1271 Posts
January 21 2011 19:25 GMT
#597
omg stork hiding his HT under that overlord made me LOL
jaedong imba
Apex
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States7227 Posts
January 21 2011 19:37 GMT
#598
Stork is in another finals, against Fantasy nonetheless! BATTLE OF THE KONG LINES GOGO
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
January 21 2011 20:07 GMT
#599
FUCK YEAH STOOOOOOORKUUUUUUUU


TO THE GOLD!
BW is back
Emon_
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
3925 Posts
January 21 2011 20:13 GMT
#600
Epic finals incoming.

How the F did Kal lose to Modesty? Modesty's games today were all over the place. He killed one (1) of Stork's nexuses and that was in the final game. Kal vs Stork semi finals would have been better
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