Light vs JD would be so cool, but I would be fine with JD vs Sea as well. If we get JvZ or JvP today I'll be very disappointed. I wanna see some good TvZ.
On December 20 2010 19:51 Holgerius wrote: Light vs JD would be so cool, but I would be fine with JD vs Sea as well. If we get JvZ or JvP today I'll be very disappointed. I wanna see some good TvZ.
JD vs Sea will be so one-sided. Sea is just terrible against zergs this season.
On December 20 2010 19:51 Holgerius wrote: Light vs JD would be so cool, but I would be fine with JD vs Sea as well. If we get JvZ or JvP today I'll be very disappointed. I wanna see some good TvZ.
JD vs Sea will be so one-sided. Sea is just terrible against zergs this season.
Hmmmm, I guess that's true. Still, a one-sided ZvT is more fun than a one-sided ZvZ or ZvP IMO.
On December 20 2010 19:57 Jackal03 wrote: hope hiya plays like he's playing on individual leagues
Me too. But I fell asleep while watching set 1 of STX-Fox, and I dreamt that Hiya got rolled again, and me feeling pissed that he couldn't play like he does in the individual leagues.
Doesn't seem like a very good omen, but we'll see hahaha
On December 20 2010 20:08 Stuv wrote: HiyA will roll over Jaehoon for sure. Finally an easy opponent for him.
sad but true i have no comfidence in oz players a side jaedong in proleague i mean for some reason they fail miserably while playing the day after amazingly in star leagues i swear if he dos not win this I'm gonna go to Korea and throw a drum at him
Hiya getting his second factory. His ebay is finished and is in the process of erecting turrets in his base. Here comes the DT drop, he's also getting his stargate up.
JH placing pylons in various locations. Third gate going up as well as the arbiter tribunal. Shuttle unable to drop DT in the main.
Observer out, dragoons disarm some mines. JH about to expand to 6.5 but vults snipe the probe.
Hiya takes 11, another engagement in the center of the map, armies moving back and forth. Eventually JH backs off after losing a few tanks. Single goon stopping Hiya's 11 expo, he builds cannons at the ramp. Carriers on the move!
Hiya has a few tanks shell JH's 9
Tanks/goliaths moving towards JH's 6.5. Meanwhile carriers hit 3 and wipe at a cc? Goons arrive to save 9. Hiya shelling 6 though, lone dt sitting there wathcing. JH has lost his 6.5 expo. Hiya also knocks out the pylon powering his stargates. Carriers engage Hiya's army. vessels and tanks going down
Storm over the goliaths to weaken them up. Carriers doing a decent job avoiding goliath fire. Tanks still occupying 6.5, goons finally arrive to clean them up.
Tanks shelling 9 once again, lone DT there to defend, goliaths arrive to support the tanks at 9. Carriers brought in to kill the tanks. 9 is safe for now
JH expanding to 5.5, meanwhile Hiya has 3. Carriers being sniped by goliaths. JH still has quite a few though.
Carriers battling it out with goliaths at 9, DT mine drag at 5.5 saves the nexus from going down to vultures.
JH with 2-1 upgrades on ground units. 2 tanks and 5 goliaths about to hit 11, but the cannons at the ramp are killing them. Tanks seige up only to be attacked by a DT there
Carriers still defending 9. JH takes his 4 o'clock expo, he's not mining at his 5.5 though
2-1-1 for carriers. Carriers fighting goliaths again, this time with ground support, goliaths back away. JH pushing forward with his carriers and ground army. He's pushing HIya back but he loses his ground force to tanks. Carriers surrounded by goliaths! Carriers come out on top though as there aren't enough goliaths
JH has so many expo's. Carriers hitting Hiya's 2 o'clock expo CC float and blows up mid air. Hiya only mining from one base now it seems. Meanwhile JH has a strong economy as he's mining from several. Lone dt trying to reduce the numbers of goliaths as they roam around the map.
JH rebuilds some ground units. Goliaths retreat against the ground army. Carriers get in on the action and snipe a few running away. Hiya doesn't have much of a ground army. Hiya's only mining expo is being hit (12 o'clock). CC blown there. This game looks over from my perspective
Goliaths fighting off carriers as best as they can. JH retaking his 6.5 expo Carriers just sitting idle at 12 taking out whatever is there. Goliaths move in to snipe a carrier, another one down but there are just too many carriers
aaarrrgghhh.. Hiya is making me angry. Why does he suck so much now???!!!
He just lets Jaehoon expand all over the map, and uses his economy to plant cannons everywhere. Makes me wonder how Flash is so good he can make the Protoss look useless, while Hiya makes the toss look overpowered.
lol what's with the hiya hate? he was on quite the tear during proleague last season. He was often the reson why Oz was able to make it to the Ace match.
On December 20 2010 20:44 ShadeR wrote: lol what's with the hiya hate? he was on quite the tear during proleague last season. He was often the reson why Oz was able to make it to the Ace match.
Well, exactly. That is why I am mad. Why isn't he even remotely close to that now? And especially considering how he beats fucking JD in an individual league...
On December 20 2010 20:44 ShadeR wrote: lol what's with the hiya hate? he was on quite the tear during proleague last season. He was often the reson why Oz was able to make it to the Ace match.
All the more reason to get annoyed by his current performance.
Oz head coach said yesterday "it's not over" for Oz. Shouldn't be talking like that before a match imo. Cos if they lose this (which they will), the players will really think it's over.
On December 20 2010 20:44 ShadeR wrote: lol what's with the hiya hate? he was on quite the tear during proleague last season. He was often the reson why Oz was able to make it to the Ace match.
Well, exactly. That is why I am mad. Why isn't he even remotely close to that now? And especially considering how he beats fucking JD in an individual league...
I mean its probably because of his OSL league. He's up against 3 zergs in the group probably practiced a bunch of tvz and rusty at tvp.
On December 20 2010 20:46 Ryo wrote: Oz head coach said yesterday "it's not over" for Oz. Shouldn't be talking like that before a match imo. Cos if they lose this (which they will), the players will really think it's over.
I think he was probably referring to the two rounds of Winners League the team gets to look forward to. I hear the bench really likes watching JD.
On December 20 2010 20:44 ShadeR wrote: lol what's with the hiya hate? he was on quite the tear during proleague last season. He was often the reson why Oz was able to make it to the Ace match.
Well, exactly. That is why I am mad. Why isn't he even remotely close to that now? And especially considering how he beats fucking JD in an individual league...
I mean its probably because of his OSL league. He's up against 3 zergs in the group probably practiced a bunch of tvz and rusty at tvp.
And that is why he got smashed by a slumping Calm in PL in between his 2 wins in OSL?
On December 20 2010 20:44 ShadeR wrote: lol what's with the hiya hate? he was on quite the tear during proleague last season. He was often the reson why Oz was able to make it to the Ace match.
hmm he is 2-12 !!!! the only way to make u feel what i feel is for u to remember jangbi's last season and maybe than understand
On December 20 2010 20:48 Lightwip wrote: In all honesty, Oz just got the short end of Bo7. They really have no choice but to train their rookies and veterans to be PL players.
Much like Khan would have if it were not for strong performance from rookies. I'd say if Khan rookies didn't play as well as they do they'd be in worse shape than Oz. As much as i love Stork and have complete confidence in him vs other teams Ace players, he's much more susecptible to sniping than Jaedong.
I just don't understand how can one be so enthusiastic about some ceremonies and showing off, when he doesn't do a chit, when he must and can for his own team!
plz tell me the yellow is oz i cant stand another loss
shit shit shit and people wonder how jaedong is motivated to win vs sea or light .... he know after he wins the next chump will lose and its 4-1... so depressing
Princess in red, Saint in Yellow Both scouting in the wrong direction.
Princess going 12 pool gas Saint getting his hatch up first
Princess with a batch of lings out, Saint's overlord sees them move down the ramp. Lair morphing for Saint, Princess slips a ling in to see Saint's main. Meanwhile Princess brings his other lings and waits outside Saint's nat
Lings move in and hits the hatch a few times then backs away. Ling inside Saint's main gets a drone kill
Princess getting his lair up too. Single sunken at the nat for Princess. Saint brings in his lings, sunken goes down. Princess loses his lings. Princess loses his nat too!
Saint moving up the ramp. drones dying left and right. colony being made.
On December 20 2010 20:54 ShadeR wrote: I'd say if Khan rookies didn't play as well as they do they'd be in worse shape than Oz.
Exactly. Can you name a single player to have emerged from Oz these last few years?
Killer? He has yet to show any good performance. PerfectMan? He won a few games, that's it.
Oz's staff has been unable to pick a single rookie with potential, or to significantly improve their A-teamers. JD was a fluke imo. Oz's staff is terrible.
On December 20 2010 20:58 radadaundandan wrote: Sea vs JD incoming
Sending out Sea would be such a coaching blunder
I think light can easely take out jeadong tvz in a standard non serie game like this, when I come to think of it I think light almost always beats jeadong outside bo5.
On December 20 2010 20:58 radadaundandan wrote: Sea vs JD incoming
Sending out Sea would be such a coaching blunder
I think light can easely take out jeadong tvz in a standard non serie game like this, when I come to think of it I think light almost always beats jeadong outside bo5.
Well, he has a chance, but if you just sacrifice a weak player to Jaedong, then Light/Sea in set 5/6 will almost garantuee a 4th win and the series. Losing either one of them to JD and things could get weird
On December 20 2010 20:58 Lann555 wrote: So just send out a shrub now to lose to Jaedong and use Sea/Light to get the final win. ezpz
but that's just what oz will be expecting! backho time!
thats the problem backho may lose to shrubs ,,,, dear god what wouldnt i do for a leta u know what i'm not greedy give me iris and midas !! and oz is in the playoff u can take princess jesus killer and all those other mofos if u want trade?
On December 20 2010 20:58 Lann555 wrote: So just send out a shrub now to lose to Jaedong and use Sea/Light to get the final win. ezpz
but that's just what oz will be expecting! backho time!
Well, a random shrub vs Backho is still good for MBC
MBC should send Light next. Because after JD, Oz only has protoss left. Sea and Tyson XvP are really strong.
Oh, Killer has already lost. Missed that set. In that case, Light in next set has some merit. Sending out Sea would still be a very poor choice though given that he is a strong favorite vs everything other then JD here
On December 20 2010 20:58 Lann555 wrote: So just send out a shrub now to lose to Jaedong and use Sea/Light to get the final win. ezpz
but that's just what oz will be expecting! backho time!
Well, a random shrub vs Backho is still good for MBC
MBC should send Light next. Because after JD, Oz only has protoss left. Sea and Tyson XvP are really strong.
Oh, Killer has already lost. Missed that set. In that case, Light in next set has some merit. Sending out Sea would still be a very poor choice though given that he is a strong favorite vs everything other then JD here
Every week Hwaseung day is a great day; guaranteed 4-1 or 4-2! Of course someone will have to play the 4th match, but that's a small sacrifice for the team no?
Srsly though, I'd be very surprised if Hwaseung would send out anyone but LJD. Poor buggers.
On December 20 2010 21:01 Ryo wrote: Sea TvP is really strong.
lol
This season it actually is. He seems to have swapped his TvP and TvZ because he's solidly played his TvPs outside of individual leagues but sucked in the majority of his TvZs.
Bizarre season of Starcraft we have here. Shine on massive streak, ACE ripping apart top proleague teams fairly often, KT playing most of round 1 and 2 like massive scrubs, etc.
That was a fucking close game anyway, stork just hit the timing just right when sea overexented to took his 3th. Sea tvp is probably top 3 atm after flash and someone I can forgot
How is it decided who plays when? do the teams pick a player before each match, or are the playlist set before the games even start? Do one team get to pick player first and then the other can respon by sending out a player they think is strong vs that player etc or?
On December 20 2010 21:01 Ryo wrote: Sea TvP is really strong.
lol
This season it actually is. He seems to have swapped his TvP and TvZ because he's solidly played his TvPs outside of individual leagues but sucked in the majority of his TvZs.
Bizarre season of Starcraft we have here. Shine on massive streak, ACE ripping apart top proleague teams fairly often, KT playing most of round 1 and 2 like massive scrubs, etc.
On December 20 2010 21:01 Ryo wrote: Sea TvP is really strong.
lol
You might want to check his TvP record this season.
im sure he's quoting the sea vs stork games
Right, because 1 game determines his TvP form for the entire season.
well seas is solid in all match ups but lately he's been shaky i wont consider it as too much surprising if he loses here but it will still be an upset
Hah, I stand corrected, his record is indeed pretty good. I've watched him play vs P though, he doesn't really have any fire in the matchup. Anytime here is gonna make my point, just you watch ^^
It's not a decision not to send Jaedong. Jaedong practiced for a map later in the set and it would be dumb to send him on a map he hasn't practiced, no matter the situation.
On December 20 2010 21:13 DarkMatter_ wrote: Haha, white guy holding a poster that says "go piratezerg and moustachezerg". The commentators seemed confused.
On December 20 2010 21:10 Geographer wrote: No Jaedong? Some Oz fan able to explain this?
I'd guess it's because they assume they're going to hit JD before this. I don't imagine that they had Saint and Sea training as much for non vZ matchups. Just a shot in the dark of course, but it makes some sense...
The end result isn't all that different, if you think about it.
You have to send out your best player no matter what if you're down 0-3. It gives you any hope for coming back.
Nah. To win the entire set, they have to get Light vs a Protoss, Sea vs Jaedong and then pray that another Protoss can cheese Tyson in PvP. Otherwise you just end up with 4-1 anyway
It's not a decision not to send Jaedong. Jaedong practiced for a map later in the set and it would be dumb to send him on a map he hasn't practiced, no matter the situation.
Well im going to blunt here and say in the current condition of oz its pointless for jeadong to practise any map past map 4.
On December 20 2010 21:13 TwoToneTerran wrote: It's not a decision not to send Jaedong. Jaedong practiced for a map later in the set and it would be dumb to send him on a map he hasn't practiced, no matter the situation.
Where's your deep-throat now? -^
Seriously, idk a thing about which maps they all practice for, but I can see merit in Anytime taking a gamble. As kindergarten captain, if he pulls this off, it'll give Oz a humongous morale boost. Going to be a hard task vs mr YBS, but let him try, these old guys ocasionally pull off something they used to do all the time :p
First goon out. SCV spots the two gates. Core spinning. 4 marines moving out of the nat to chase down that probe. Dragoon arrives and the marines retreat back to the main. SCV sent out again, slips by the goons.
First tank, four goons knocking at the main, no wall so they walk back and forth taking shots at the marines
Vult out and is laying mines. One dragoon falls to a mine. Sea still with 1 marine and 1 tank. Anytime taking a gamble and ventures forth! Mine hits the goons, none fall though. Anytime wisely backs off before losing any more goons
Anytime taking his nat. Sea adding a second factory
Maybe they just think that even if JD wins a game, 3 others need to win, so instead of sending out JD who plays alot already, have important games in the OSL were he is in a bit of trouble after losing to Hiya, they let other people get practice and JD can focus on OSL!
Sea has a few vults out, his main's entrance is litter with mines, a few mines also placed at the entrance to his nat. SCV sent out again to scout, returns to base after seeing the line of goons outside the nat
Vultures sneaking out. Anytime has his nat up and running, line of goons stop the vults from getting into the nat.
CC started for Sea. Sea floating his rax over to Anytime's nat. Probe spots it. Sea planting some mines around the map. Robo and observatory up, first ob is out and helping goons clear mines around the map.
seriously nothing in esport gaming is so entertaining as pro leauge this shit is just fun to watch doesnt even matter if it are 2 teams I dont really care about.
The end result isn't all that different, if you think about it.
You have to send out your best player no matter what if you're down 0-3. It gives you any hope for coming back.
No. It doesn't matter which set (1-6) you send your players on; you still need 3 of them to win.
There's psychology of course, and the maps/opponents matter of course. But to win from 0-3, you need three distinct players on your team to win in a row. (Although losing 4-1 is better for your differential than 4-0, which miiiight matter.)
On December 20 2010 21:21 4Servy wrote: seriously nothing in esport gaming is so entertaining as pro leauge this shit is just fun to watch doesnt even matter if it are 2 teams I dont really care about.
Sea adding a few factories, he's also got his starport up. Turrets being erected around Sea's not-so-ninja expo
Dropship out for Sea, he loads it with some units. Meanwhile shuttle is on it's way to sea's 11 expo Anytime taking his fourth base at 12.5
Two zealots dropped at 11. Sea drops two vults and a tank to counter. Anytime looks a little flustered
Goons clearing mines in the center of the map DS drops vults behind anytimes nat. Probes run. goons are there to defend. mines are laid and a single goon takes the brunt of all the mines. Remaining vults load back into the DS and high tail it out of there
Anytime clearing mines the oldfashioned way, too bad. Good thing he's macroing like a modern day player and not sitting on 2 bases forever like Boxer used to do after his return to skt.
with that base up sea is on 4 gas, even though I think anytime is ahead he has to do something soon put sea back on 3 gas else thers going to be to amny fucknig tanks and vessels.
First arbiter out. Both players with +1 weapons Anytime adding more gates and a second forge.
First vessel out and scouting, probably looking for that arbiter. Anytime engages! Backs off before his forces fully engage, he loses one or two zealots. Meanwhile vultures get a few probes as they transfer
Anytime engaging! stasis hits a few tanks. Sea's tank line is deep though. He forces a lift at the expo. CC explodes mid air!
Both sustaining a lot of loses. Goons still hitting that expo! Second CC being rebuilt there, it goes down to goon fire. Anytime expanding to 11.5
Sea securing that expo about his main and is rebuilding that CC (third time being built). emp on arbiter, twice! That tank line is too deep though. A little too difficult to break completely
Meanwhile DS drops tanks at 12.5 and the map to hit some probes. Both are cleaned up shortly though
Scan reveals Anytime's shuttle heading towards 7 Anytime engaging again! Stasis, mine drag too! Anytime backs off after doing some damage. Zealot drop forces scvs at 7 to run.
oh come on terran has 2-1 now you cant garbage in like that, start recalling or something, get ht's or anything instead of bashing into mines/tanks/vessels.
we got an oz player that doesnt play like a total tool wtf. I dont really agree with his decisions it atleast isnt plain shit gameplay hes showing and macro keeps going strong.
Anytime keeps attacking Sea's expo, but sustains quite a few goon casualties. Emp hits all his arbiters. except one! stasis gets some tanks and one vessel
Looks like the goons will take out the CC yet again! It goes down! Anytime moving forward! Tanks shelling goons over the wall. Forces anytime to back off. Goons waiting next to the stasis'ed units and wipe them out
Fresh vults fight off remaining goons though . Anytime being very aggressive and not giving any room for Sea to breath. Sea catches some transferring probes, snipes a few before they retreat to the safety of an expo with cannons.
Sea has retaken 7, Anytime engaging yet again, stasis over a vessel and tank. Anytime with a lot of units. Sea's army looking really really small
Damnit half of the game was thinking why the hell isn't anytime recalling that top left. I guess he showed me who is the dumb shit and who is master of sc:bw. GG
On December 20 2010 21:32 sushiman wrote: Somehow throwing countless units against walls of tanks and mines is starting to work out for Anytime. :S
The mineral-only is exposed to attack from a wide arc. This forces Sea to spread his tanks, which in turn allows Anytime to attack in a wide arc, or to fight only a portion of Sea's tanks at any given time. That + Stasis allowed Anytime to make reasonably cost-effective unit exchanges. (Cost-effective considering that Anytime was up on bases, and Sea was losing mining time because his CCs kept dying.)
On December 20 2010 21:37 emperorchampion wrote: There's a sick amount of people watching right now, 1000+ most I've ever seen watching on a random day :O
On December 20 2010 21:37 emperorchampion wrote: There's a sick amount of people watching right now, 1000+ most I've ever seen watching on a random day :O
There's been roughly 1000+ viewers in a lot of recent games/series (when ever I take notice of viewer count anyway)
On December 20 2010 21:37 emperorchampion wrote: There's a sick amount of people watching right now, 1000+ most I've ever seen watching on a random day :O
Many universities are on break now.
That, or lots of people have exams 1-2 days from now and take the opportunity to procrastinate extra hard
On December 20 2010 21:37 emperorchampion wrote: There's a sick amount of people watching right now, 1000+ most I've ever seen watching on a random day :O
On December 20 2010 21:34 Count9 wrote: wtf where were the mines, zealots just waltzed up to the tanks. At least anytime prevents the jd oz result.
Anytime was on 6 bases, Sea was mining from 2, and one was mined out near the end. Not lifting that CC in time sealed the gg for Sea.
And he didn't even recall once! Thats cold.
Haven't seen a good recall for some time, such a pity. It's quite risky though; T can clean them up at the cost of a couple of turrets and mines and newly built tanks.
I know Sea was definitely in a shitty position, but that GG was premature. I think he got frustrated and just GGed too early. For those on TL who like to predict the outcome of games before the end has happened: YES ANYTIME HAD A LARGE ADVANTAGE BUT THE GAME WAS BY NO MEANS "OVER."
On December 20 2010 21:44 ci_esteban wrote: I know Sea was definitely in a shitty position, but that GG was premature. I think he got frustrated and just GGed too early. For those on TL who like to predict the outcome of games before the end has happened: YES ANYTIME HAD A LARGE ADVANTAGE BUT THE GAME WAS BY NO MEANS "OVER."
Sea is known for his early gg. As an MBC fan, its sometimes disheartening. Light on the other hand. lol
Oh snap Light vs Jaedong! Go Light, take the series for MBC. BTW what did the stat for 43.2% mean for Jaedong it was the 2nd stat when they showed the stat bar on the left-hand side of screen?
Maybe this is considered "unsportsmanlike" but wouldn't it make sense to send some B-teamer in like a lamb to the slaughter if you think that Jaedong is next and save Light for the 6th set where he'll play someone "weaker"?
On December 20 2010 21:48 ci_esteban wrote: Maybe this is considered "unsportsmanlike" but wouldn't it make sense to send some B-teamer in like a lamb to the slaughter if you think that Jaedong is next and save Light for the 6th set where he'll play someone "weaker"?
But only OZ- Zerg left is JD, so i think fpr MBC is this the best Option.
On December 20 2010 21:48 ci_esteban wrote: Maybe this is considered "unsportsmanlike" but wouldn't it make sense to send some B-teamer in like a lamb to the slaughter if you think that Jaedong is next and save Light for the 6th set where he'll play someone "weaker"?
the chance that light will beat jaedong is very nontrivial iirc he won their last encounter
On December 20 2010 21:47 FearDarkness wrote: Oh snap Light vs Jaedong! Go Light, take the series for MBC. BTW what did the stat for 43.2% mean for Jaedong it was the 2nd stat when they showed the stat bar on the left-hand side of screen?
Maybe it's 43.2% of Oz wins in PL coming from JD ? :p
On December 20 2010 21:48 ci_esteban wrote: Maybe this is considered "unsportsmanlike" but wouldn't it make sense to send some B-teamer in like a lamb to the slaughter if you think that Jaedong is next and save Light for the 6th set where he'll play someone "weaker"?
the chance that light will beat jaedong is very nontrivial iirc he won their last encounter
light's last 10 tvz has only 50% win ratio... yeah right
Light making his depoot/barracks wall JD going hatch, looks like 12 hatch
Second depot to complete what looks like an awkward wall Pool almost finished, Light gets his scv in the main
Lair morphing in for JD, his overlord sitting at the nat watching that wall. Lings pop and chase the scv out of the nat. CC started at the nat for Light
Scv makes it into JD's main once again, spots the lair finishing and the hydra den
Lings stopped cold at the wall by two marines. More lings hitting that wall, scvs pulled to protect the wall. Medic comes out and blocks the small entrance. Remaining lings back off Firebat out too
Light lifts his rax and builds a bunker there. single lurker morphing, ebay finished for light. More lurkers morphing. JD denying any further scv scouting
JD's lurkers are finished. Light adds a second bunker. Mnm stim up and engage, lurkers burrow before any can fire though.
Lings and lurkers move in! scan goes off, bunker takes light damage. Lurkers back away with the lings
JD engages once more, lurkers take down the first bunker. Light scrambles to make another.
Factory being built too Lurkers hitting the depot wall now. Turret being erected next to the bunkers. Machine stop being added to the fact
Lurkers inch forwrd. Lings dancing back and forth. Second bunker down. Light building more bunkers. Light trying to delay as long as he can until that crucial tank arrives.
Mnm force JD to move his lurkers back though. No third for JD yet.
And I was so happy JD didn't rush in TT Why not stall, contain him with lurkers, drone up, expand? You know you've got more of a chance that way, silly JD :/
.... fuck what's up with all the zvt 2 hatch lurks? everyone seems to be scared to go to late game against terran. and fking light looks so smug when it was really JD's fail rather than his win.
On December 20 2010 21:57 nepeta wrote: And I was so happy JD didn't rush in TT Why not stall, contain him with lurkers, drone up, expand? You know you've got more of a chance that way, silly JD :/
Meh, he had 1 drone mining minerals at his expo. If he tries to power up, Light just rolls him with a tank/marine push before he can get enough stuff/tech out.
On December 20 2010 21:57 nepeta wrote: And I was so happy JD didn't rush in TT Why not stall, contain him with lurkers, drone up, expand? You know you've got more of a chance that way, silly JD :/
since he committed himself to 2-hatch lurk/ling bust he couldn't drone up and expand rofl
When JD said he realized what he was doing wrong against Terran, did he mean "I wasn't allining"?
That was just awful to watch. I like seeing aggressive play from Jaedong but he was just being stubborn and single-minded that game. When his den got scouted and when he couldn't break through into Light's nat with his early lings, he should've had some backup plan.
Well only reliable player they have is anytime, seriously if just 2 more players can get a fucking win for oz they can make it to the ace match so anytime can close it out .
On December 20 2010 21:57 nepeta wrote: And I was so happy JD didn't rush in TT Why not stall, contain him with lurkers, drone up, expand? You know you've got more of a chance that way, silly JD :/
Meh, he had 1 drone mining minerals at his expo. If he tries to power up, Light just rolls him with a tank/marine push before he can get enough stuff/tech out.
There is a reason why there has been like one comeback from Zerg in the history of the game: if you have a low drone count you just have to keep attacking.
On December 20 2010 22:00 4Servy wrote: Well only reliable player they have is anytime, seriously if just 2 more players can get a fucking win for oz they can make it to the ace match so anytime can close it out .
On December 20 2010 21:57 nepeta wrote: And I was so happy JD didn't rush in TT Why not stall, contain him with lurkers, drone up, expand? You know you've got more of a chance that way, silly JD :/
Meh, he had 1 drone mining minerals at his expo. If he tries to power up, Light just rolls him with a tank/marine push before he can get enough stuff/tech out.
There is a reason why there has been like one comeback from Zerg in the history of the game: if you have a low drone count you just have to keep attacking.
Zerg is the best comeback race once on hive tech with defilers, just when not hive tech zerg is anti comeback really.
On December 20 2010 22:02 letian wrote: Yeah, ok that happens, Light can feel proud of himself for the rest of the season without achieving anything else to take a win from both Flash and JD
Actually he beat JD twice this season. :/ no straight up games though. Meh, atleast he didn't lose to Ssak
I just realized that Light played Jaedong and Flash in both R1 and R2, and he's 3/4 against them. That's pretty damn impressive (although to be fair, JD played godawful in both his games against them).
maybe JD wanted to show Hiya how he looks from the side, and for this purpose he played shitty in this round of PL after playing brilliantly in MSL. :D
On December 20 2010 22:03 moopie wrote: Oz 4-12 so far. JD better pull a lot of weight during 2 rounds of WL if they want to make the post season.
It's a really long season. As bad as they are, you can't really count anyone out. There are so many factors that can change how entire teams do over 4 more rounds.
On December 20 2010 21:57 nepeta wrote: And I was so happy JD didn't rush in TT Why not stall, contain him with lurkers, drone up, expand? You know you've got more of a chance that way, silly JD :/
Meh, he had 1 drone mining minerals at his expo. If he tries to power up, Light just rolls him with a tank/marine push before he can get enough stuff/tech out.
There is a reason why there has been like one comeback from Zerg in the history of the game: if you have a low drone count you just have to keep attacking.
Zerg is the best comeback race once on hive tech with defilers, just when not hive tech zerg is anti comeback really.
I think that JD either lets himself influence too much by that scouted Hydra Den or not enough.
If he had planned the All-In from the getgo then he HAD TO change his strategy after getting scouted. It is just not possible to break a Terran of Light's skill level with Lurkers that he sees coming - his winning chance were probably around 0.x percent, it is just not happening. At that point (when the Den was scouted) he wasn't commited to anything. His eco was still normal and he hadnt made a ton of Lings. It would have been a loss but JD has come back from MUCH worse, even against Top players. He should have just droned up, maybe even made a Spire and played a catch up game.
If he hadn't planned it, then it was a tilt to and that is far worse. It should not happen to a player of JDs caliber.
On December 20 2010 22:02 letian wrote: Yeah, ok that happens, Light can feel proud of himself for the rest of the season without achieving anything else to take a win from both Flash and JD
Actually he beat JD twice this season. :/ no straight up games though. Meh, atleast he didn't lose to Ssak
On December 20 2010 22:00 4Servy wrote: Well only reliable player they have is anytime, seriously if just 2 more players can get a fucking win for oz they can make it to the ace match so anytime can close it out .
Are you serious? Jaedong has been supporting the team for ages and now just because anytime played good once and jaedong plated like crap once you say the only reliable player is anytime? Im seriously sick of the way oz is losing nowadays and probably jaedong doesnt even feel motivated to play properly in proleague anymore, thats why u always see him talking about proleague in OSL and MSL interviews so that he can at least motivate himself to play better.
Even if he won, what are the chances of getting to ace match? Lomo, perfectman and jesus? Against tyson? Its a low chance of winning at that, and you definitely wont feel good if you win your game after doing some insane comeback to see your teammate losing in some fucking unspectacular fashion
On December 20 2010 22:02 letian wrote: Yeah, ok that happens, Light can feel proud of himself for the rest of the season without achieving anything else to take a win from both Flash and JD
Actually he beat JD twice this season. :/ no straight up games though. Meh, atleast he didn't lose to Ssak
On December 20 2010 22:00 4Servy wrote: Well only reliable player they have is anytime, seriously if just 2 more players can get a fucking win for oz they can make it to the ace match so anytime can close it out .
Are you serious? Jaedong has been supporting the team for ages and now just because anytime played good once and jaedong plated like crap once you say the only reliable player is anytime? Im seriously sick of the way oz is losing nowadays and probably jaedong doesnt even feel motivated to play properly in proleague anymore, thats why u always see him talking about proleague in OSL and MSL interviews so that he can at least motivate himself to play better.
Even if he won, what are the chances of getting to ace match? Lomo, perfectman and jesus? Against tyson? Its a low chance of winning at that, and you definitely wont feel good if you win your game after doing some insane comeback to see your teammate losing in some fucking unspectacular fashion
On December 20 2010 21:52 Severedevil wrote: Jaedong purposefully creates a disadvantage for himself to overcome, saccing lings and revealing his tech.
Wat are you babbling about, that shit made him lose...
On December 20 2010 22:00 4Servy wrote: Well only reliable player they have is anytime, seriously if just 2 more players can get a fucking win for oz they can make it to the ace match so anytime can close it out .
Are you serious? Jaedong has been supporting the team for ages and now just because anytime played good once and jaedong plated like crap once you say the only reliable player is anytime? Im seriously sick of the way oz is losing nowadays and probably jaedong doesnt even feel motivated to play properly in proleague anymore, thats why u always see him talking about proleague in OSL and MSL interviews so that he can at least motivate himself to play better.
Even if he won, what are the chances of getting to ace match? Lomo, perfectman and jesus? Against tyson? Its a low chance of winning at that, and you definitely wont feel good if you win your game after doing some insane comeback to see your teammate losing in some fucking unspectacular fashion
On December 20 2010 22:02 letian wrote: Yeah, ok that happens, Light can feel proud of himself for the rest of the season without achieving anything else to take a win from both Flash and JD
Actually he beat JD twice this season. :/ no straight up games though. Meh, atleast he didn't lose to Ssak
I guess that makes him hell of a hero now
So bitter lol
Sorry, just its been accumulating for f*ing several games now. I think JD feels it too, so much effort without any results, how could one bear it.
On December 20 2010 22:00 4Servy wrote: Well only reliable player they have is anytime, seriously if just 2 more players can get a fucking win for oz they can make it to the ace match so anytime can close it out .
Are you serious? Jaedong has been supporting the team for ages and now just because anytime played good once and jaedong plated like crap once you say the only reliable player is anytime? Im seriously sick of the way oz is losing nowadays and probably jaedong doesnt even feel motivated to play properly in proleague anymore, thats why u always see him talking about proleague in OSL and MSL interviews so that he can at least motivate himself to play better.
Even if he won, what are the chances of getting to ace match? Lomo, perfectman and jesus? Against tyson? Its a low chance of winning at that, and you definitely wont feel good if you win your game after doing some insane comeback to see your teammate losing in some fucking unspectacular fashion
Like I was being serious there?
You think if i knew you werent i would have lashed out at you?
I feel like JD was angry from the start that he is the one to clean up again, dunno, his game looked like he was very angry, just allined, he didn't care about the result. Never saw him waste so much in the beginning, something happened
On December 20 2010 22:02 letian wrote: Yeah, ok that happens, Light can feel proud of himself for the rest of the season without achieving anything else to take a win from both Flash and JD
Actually he beat JD twice this season. :/ no straight up games though. Meh, atleast he didn't lose to Ssak
I guess that makes him hell of a hero now
So bitter lol
Sorry, just its been accumulating for f*ing several games now. I think JD feels it too, so much effort without any results, how could one bear it.
Bulk of the blame lies with Hiya. 15% winrate in proleague. Yet he can win games in OSL. This tells me that he hasn't been practicing enough for proleague.
On December 20 2010 22:05 Fenrax wrote: I think that JD either lets himself influence too much by that scouted Hydra Den or not enough.
If he had planned the All-In from the getgo then he HAD TO change his strategy after getting scouted. It is just not possible to break a Terran of Light's skill level with Lurkers that he sees coming - his winning chance were probably around 0.x percent, it is just not happening. At that point (when the Den was scouted) he wasn't commited to anything. His eco was still normal and he hadnt made a ton of Lings. It would have been a loss but JD has come back from MUCH worse, even against Top players. He should have just droned up, maybe even made a Spire and played a catch up game.
If he hadn't planned it, then it was a tilt to and that is far worse. It should not happen to a player of JDs caliber.
Im really hoping the reason JD didnt transition to a macro game was because of not wanting to share his new late game innovations before deciding phases of OSL/MSL.
On December 20 2010 22:12 letian wrote: I feel like JD was angry from the start that he is the one to clean up again, dunno, his game looked like he was very angry, just allined, he didn't care about the result. Never saw him waste so much in the beginning, something happened
I wouldn't be surprised, he's been carrying the team for years. It's just that with the new Bo7 it makes it so much harder. Wouldn't be surprised if JD goes back to the practice house and throws a few chairs around. If only Hiya won a few freaking games...
On December 20 2010 22:02 letian wrote: Yeah, ok that happens, Light can feel proud of himself for the rest of the season without achieving anything else to take a win from both Flash and JD
Actually he beat JD twice this season. :/ no straight up games though. Meh, atleast he didn't lose to Ssak
I guess that makes him hell of a hero now
So bitter lol
Sorry, just its been accumulating for f*ing several games now. I think JD feels it too, so much effort without any results, how could one bear it.
Bulk of the blame lies with Hiya. 15% winrate in proleague. Yet he can win games in OSL. This tells me that he hasn't been practicing enough for proleague.
Unless JD played badly that game (which he did) and unless Hogil is not very good at ZvT. Just saying.
On December 20 2010 22:12 letian wrote: I feel like JD was angry from the start that he is the one to clean up again, dunno, his game looked like he was very angry, just allined, he didn't care about the result. Never saw him waste so much in the beginning, something happened
I guess he just likes to all-in sometimes to be unpredictable. Like the 2x 4pool against flash in a bo5.
This result is better for oz than 1-4 with only jaedong winning because even though jd lost today he'll still win most games in the future, but someone else winning is a big deal. Amazing game by anytime, even though he couldn't shut down that hidden expansion... just macroing a huge army and taking it without any tricks
On December 20 2010 22:02 letian wrote: Yeah, ok that happens, Light can feel proud of himself for the rest of the season without achieving anything else to take a win from both Flash and JD
Actually he beat JD twice this season. :/ no straight up games though. Meh, atleast he didn't lose to Ssak
I guess that makes him hell of a hero now
So bitter lol
Sorry, just its been accumulating for f*ing several games now. I think JD feels it too, so much effort without any results, how could one bear it.
Bulk of the blame lies with Hiya. 15% winrate in proleague. Yet he can win games in OSL. This tells me that he hasn't been practicing enough for proleague.
Unless JD played badly that game (which he did) and unless Hogil is not very good at ZvT. Just saying.
Not referring to just that one game. In general his OSL play has been much better than his proleague games. His Bo3 in the OSL Ro36 was pretty decent, as was his game against JD.
On December 20 2010 22:02 letian wrote: Yeah, ok that happens, Light can feel proud of himself for the rest of the season without achieving anything else to take a win from both Flash and JD
Actually he beat JD twice this season. :/ no straight up games though. Meh, atleast he didn't lose to Ssak
I guess that makes him hell of a hero now
So bitter lol
Sorry, just its been accumulating for f*ing several games now. I think JD feels it too, so much effort without any results, how could one bear it.
Bulk of the blame lies with Hiya. 15% winrate in proleague. Yet he can win games in OSL. This tells me that he hasn't been practicing enough for proleague.
Unless JD played badly that game (which he did) and unless Hogil is not very good at ZvT. Just saying.
Not referring to just that one game. In general his OSL play has been much better than his proleague games. His Bo3 in the OSL Ro36 was pretty decent, as was his game against JD.
I wouldn't even say JD played badly in that OSL game vs hiya. JD didn't play amazing, but it wasn't bad and hiya himself played pretty good.
On December 20 2010 22:02 letian wrote: Yeah, ok that happens, Light can feel proud of himself for the rest of the season without achieving anything else to take a win from both Flash and JD
Actually he beat JD twice this season. :/ no straight up games though. Meh, atleast he didn't lose to Ssak
I guess that makes him hell of a hero now
So bitter lol
Sorry, just its been accumulating for f*ing several games now. I think JD feels it too, so much effort without any results, how could one bear it.
Bulk of the blame lies with Hiya. 15% winrate in proleague. Yet he can win games in OSL. This tells me that he hasn't been practicing enough for proleague.
Unless JD played badly that game (which he did) and unless Hogil is not very good at ZvT. Just saying.
Not referring to just that one game. In general his OSL play has been much better than his proleague games. His Bo3 in the OSL Ro36 was pretty decent, as was his game against JD.
I wouldn't even say JD played badly in that OSL game vs hiya. JD didn't play amazing, but it wasn't bad and hiya himself played pretty good.
Sim-city that blocks defilers from going into your main to defend vs drops is pretty bad.
On December 20 2010 22:02 letian wrote: Yeah, ok that happens, Light can feel proud of himself for the rest of the season without achieving anything else to take a win from both Flash and JD
Actually he beat JD twice this season. :/ no straight up games though. Meh, atleast he didn't lose to Ssak
I guess that makes him hell of a hero now
So bitter lol
Sorry, just its been accumulating for f*ing several games now. I think JD feels it too, so much effort without any results, how could one bear it.
Bulk of the blame lies with Hiya. 15% winrate in proleague. Yet he can win games in OSL. This tells me that he hasn't been practicing enough for proleague.
Unless JD played badly that game (which he did) and unless Hogil is not very good at ZvT. Just saying.
Not referring to just that one game. In general his OSL play has been much better than his proleague games. His Bo3 in the OSL Ro36 was pretty decent, as was his game against JD.
Well I've been thiking that maybe Hiya is one of those players that needs to know who they play against... Since I think it was last season that they changed the rules so you don't know who you're opponnent is. I'd be curious to check up his stats to see if he's been losing a lot more since then.
On December 20 2010 22:02 letian wrote: Yeah, ok that happens, Light can feel proud of himself for the rest of the season without achieving anything else to take a win from both Flash and JD
Actually he beat JD twice this season. :/ no straight up games though. Meh, atleast he didn't lose to Ssak
I guess that makes him hell of a hero now
So bitter lol
Sorry, just its been accumulating for f*ing several games now. I think JD feels it too, so much effort without any results, how could one bear it.
Bulk of the blame lies with Hiya. 15% winrate in proleague. Yet he can win games in OSL. This tells me that he hasn't been practicing enough for proleague.
Unless JD played badly that game (which he did) and unless Hogil is not very good at ZvT. Just saying.
Not referring to just that one game. In general his OSL play has been much better than his proleague games. His Bo3 in the OSL Ro36 was pretty decent, as was his game against JD.
Well I've been thiking that maybe Hiya is one of those players that needs to know who they play against... Since I think it was last season that they changed the rules so you don't know who you're opponnent is. I'd be curious to check up his stats to see if he's been losing a lot more since then.
Well, according to TLPD, HiyA was 26-17 during the 2009-2010 SPL, which is 60.47%. If we're talking about his stats during R4 and R5, it's still around 56 % (not sure exactly when R4 started). This season, he's 2-12 (14.29%). So at most, it probably is a small factor.
I think it might have to do with the Bo7 format and practicing on more maps, or something. Or else HiyA's just trolling us Oz fans.
On December 20 2010 22:12 letian wrote: I feel like JD was angry from the start that he is the one to clean up again, dunno, his game looked like he was very angry, just allined, he didn't care about the result. Never saw him waste so much in the beginning, something happened
Had also the impression that he looked extremely angry today, not the usual JD deathstare like expression, more like "fuck this shit here, i've got enough" or something like this : /.
If only Hiya could step his play up and be something of a helping pillar. But he's failing left and right with a 14% win rate.
I seriously hope Anytime will be able to change something, have the feeling that the mood is pretty shitty @ oz -_-
On another note, has JD has lost some confidence in his ZvT against top players after the past few OSL/MSL finals? His play really hasn't looked like it used to in this MU. It's really sad, because when in form, his ZvT is a complete work of art.
Yep. Anytime definitely can rock. He played good in his previous game vs some zerg too, but late templars cost him the game. He did tons of damage with his corsairs and army though. Wish he just could defend that hydra bust.
I actually felt sad for anytime rather than JD this time at least played the game seriously for any time man he was pouring out his heart just to get that freaking ONE WIN god damn it ..
On December 20 2010 22:05 Fenrax wrote: I think that JD either lets himself influence too much by that scouted Hydra Den or not enough.
If he had planned the All-In from the getgo then he HAD TO change his strategy after getting scouted. It is just not possible to break a Terran of Light's skill level with Lurkers that he sees coming - his winning chance were probably around 0.x percent, it is just not happening. At that point (when the Den was scouted) he wasn't commited to anything. His eco was still normal and he hadnt made a ton of Lings. It would have been a loss but JD has come back from MUCH worse, even against Top players. He should have just droned up, maybe even made a Spire and played a catch up game.
If he hadn't planned it, then it was a tilt to and that is far worse. It should not happen to a player of JDs caliber.
Im really hoping the reason JD didnt transition to a macro game was because of not wanting to share his new late game innovations before deciding phases of OSL/MSL.
lol at ppl thinking the chit out of this one loss, and moreover, at gosu advisers, it was just a rage out, no more, god damn it, another JD "win or die" game. Anyway, I must agree to let Light see the den was something that JD never ever lets to happen, as always, if JD dies, if it not Flash, then just due to his own mistakes, not some godly play by another so-called hero of the day, Chit I'm evil today.
On December 21 2010 03:13 n.DieJokes wrote: Theres no place like winners league, theres no place like winners league + Show Spoiler +
For now, I'm just gonna think about past the fact that Oz at least beat ACE this round.... -_-. Hopefully WL will bring back the JD of 2009 WL, and HiyA can get back into shape. I mean, seriously, at this rate, he's gonna have a worse record than the Oz protoss from last year combined.
Also, I'm curious as to why JD decided to all-in, when his standard play is good enough to win, or at least put up a good fight. Anybody know why he did that?
Watched the JD game (had missed it). what JD just... I dunno, but there was a feeling that I'm watching a D- zerg rusher game who once in a life time met a proper defence from it and didn't just know what to do and kept suiciding all he has at like 3.5 marines. =\
I dunno what he was thinking. Maybe he thought "oh yes maybe they all expect me to play seriously given the situation, but i will trick em all and go some gay rush". If so, he's trying just to win a mind-game vs himself LOL. That's silly imho...
Pretty bad game by JD, and nothing special by Light, just defended a badly badly executed all-in. ____
The good part - maybe we finally have TWO consistent players on a team. Well, this is very very painful to watch by now, and I dunno how long further it will be like this, but at least there's something to rely on... because some day both Anytime and Jaedong definitely will come to a normal condition.
On December 21 2010 03:13 n.DieJokes wrote: Theres no place like winners league, theres no place like winners league + Show Spoiler +
For now, I'm just gonna think about past the fact that Oz at least beat ACE this round.... -_-. Hopefully WL will bring back the JD of 2009 WL, and HiyA can get back into shape. I mean, seriously, at this rate, he's gonna have a worse record than the Oz protoss from last year combined.
Also, I'm curious as to why JD decided to all-in, when his standard play is good enough to win, or at least put up a good fight. Anybody know why he did that?
Light commented in his interview that he felt this was a very protoss favored map and that it didn't seem to him like Jaedong practiced much ZvT on it. So perhaps that's one reason why he went all-in.
I didn't watch the game but from what I hear lights wall was awful. I don't know if he scouted it before he committed to 2hat lurks but if so that's reason enough
I think JD just continued with his all-in because he knew the team would lose anyway. He has lost confidence in his teammates and knows he should concentrate on individual leagues. Purely mental thing rather than a question of skill here. While he has been known to over-extend himself to all-in situations i didn't feel like this was one of them... it really felt like something he just decided to do on the fly after watching the shit games beforehand and basically roll the dice not caring.
why does everyone think that its the end of the world when JD loses Jesus, everyone has bad days and good days, and Light isn't some pushover so its not like its that insanely unexpected.
On December 21 2010 09:45 Elyvilon wrote: I think Light has the hardest list of opponents this proleague out of anybody.
Rofl, I just went and checked it out, and holy fuck! That is insane. Never realized that until now.
Probably why he changed his name to a literal sacrifice...of course because Light is the Invisible Terran he actually wins fairly often against these opponents.
On December 21 2010 09:45 Elyvilon wrote: I think Light has the hardest list of opponents this proleague out of anybody.
Rofl, I just went and checked it out, and holy fuck! That is insane. Never realized that until now.
Probably why he changed his name to a literal sacrifice...of course because Light is the Invisible Terran he actually wins fairly often against these opponents.
Yeah man. Going 50% vs that list of players is pretty damn good.
On December 21 2010 10:02 konadora wrote: damn, light vs jaedong's been always a trade-off of score between those two, ever since the arcadia days. but why isn't it recommended? :s
Because JD did a silly all-in that failed. It was a very anti-climatic game. I got more and more excited for each game because we got closer and closer to Light vs JD, and when we eventually got it thanks to the awesome game that Anytime pulled off, it's ends up a crappy cheese game.
On December 21 2010 10:02 konadora wrote: damn, light vs jaedong's been always a trade-off of score between those two, ever since the arcadia days. but why isn't it recommended? :s
Jaedong suicides lings into Light's bizzare simcity, scouts 2 hatch lurker because Jaedong has no lings left, Light automatically wins like he should because he's a good player.
On December 21 2010 09:45 Elyvilon wrote: I think Light has the hardest list of opponents this proleague out of anybody.
Rofl, I just went and checked it out, and holy fuck! That is insane. Never realized that until now.
I know, right? It's like, I look at his record, and I see that he's 9-9, and it's like, "man, why is Light slumping? " Then I look at the list of players he's played against and I realize that the only awkward losses on the list are Gorush and maybe FBH.
Last night, PirateZerg and MoustacheZerg sadly didn't help (I don't really understand why Jaedong decided to all-in that game ) but at least they helped me to get Jaedong signature:
Last night, PirateZerg and MoustacheZerg sadly didn't help (I don't really understand why Jaedong decided to all-in that game ) but at least they helped me to get Jaedong signature:
haha , I can even see him writing "to Pavel" there. How nice.
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