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Glasse
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Tomken
Norway1144 Posts
On October 28 2010 09:04 rel4pse wrote: call me a rabid jaedong fan, call me bitter, but light pisses me off to no end. his ONLY good match up is TvZ. i'm not calling imba or anything but you have to face the fact that T always has some innate advantage over Z (like P has over T). i have little respect for T's like forgg or sea who are only good at the one matchup their race has an advantage at (and for that same reason <3 bisu). sick of people saying "wahhh good play by light" because jaedong is unarguably the better player. light hasn't won CRAP and he gets lucky with jaedong and everyone says how good he is. What matchup is only sea good at? He did pwn BeSt and JangBi in their best MU, PvT got 80% winrate in PL atm... (example lol) | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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j2choe
Canada243 Posts
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
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Navi
5286 Posts
On October 29 2010 02:15 Tomken wrote: What matchup is only sea good at? He did pwn BeSt and JangBi in their best MU, PvT got 80% winrate in PL atm... (example lol) Sea is very good at all his matchups, which makes him an excellent terran (leta, forgg, and as you noticed, Light all have holes in some matchups) but I always though of sea and flash differently since they debuted because they showed proficiency in all their matchups | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
On October 29 2010 11:26 infinity2k9 wrote: Or if he did insist on fighting the wraiths, why not muta/queen and save yourself the constant overlord losses? One ensnare pulled off right and he wins. It's not like he wasting wasting enough resources already. queens nest: 100-100 (a mutalisk) ensnare research: at least 100-100 (another mutalisk) 2 queens (becuase 1 queen would be too easy to snipe, really): 200-200 (2 more mutalisks) time spent waiting for queens to come out and researches and energy to be complete: a hell of a lot more than ovie speed and quite a few mutalisks with that jaedong did react to the initial harass on the economy subparly, imo he should have pulled back all drones to main while his spire was going up to minimize losses with hydras until his spire was up or if he took out enough wraiths with his hydra to get his gas well i think he could have had a chance after he reduced the wraith number to like 3, because he definetly saw the number of marines growing; he should have gotten lurker research and or thrown up another sunken while he waited for it to come up. even then, the timing would have been razor thin; jaedong was in a very bad position after light raped his drone count | ||
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SubtleArt
2710 Posts
On October 28 2010 09:04 rel4pse wrote: call me a rabid jaedong fan, call me bitter, but light pisses me off to no end. his ONLY good match up is TvZ. i'm not calling imba or anything but you have to face the fact that T always has some innate advantage over Z (like P has over T). i have little respect for T's like forgg or sea who are only good at the one matchup their race has an advantage at (and for that same reason <3 bisu). sick of people saying "wahhh good play by light" because jaedong is unarguably the better player. light hasn't won CRAP and he gets lucky with jaedong and everyone says how good he is. Other than the part about Sea (his TvP and TvT are really good, he's beaten Best and Jangbi this season) I agree. I hate all these 1 matchup players. I mean you don't have to be equally as good at each matchup because obviously your race gives you some advantage over one race and a disadvantage against another, but a skill discrepancy this huge is ridiculous. Light beats Jaedong 2 straight times in proleague and almost beats him in a Bo5 but then gets completely molested by the likes of Jaehoon and Perfectman On October 29 2010 11:12 infinity2k9 wrote: Jaedong can be so stubborn imo. If he just got spores then he would have saved all the shit he lost anyway. Then go oldschool hydra/lurk for victory... but no he HAS to go and do muta's again and try to fight both wraiths and mnm. He didn't go muta first so why put himself at a disadvantage by switching to it. Well he wanted to get mutas first but you don't get them out fast enough to stop 2 port wraith so you add a hydra den first. After that you need either mutas or lurkers to defend the oncoming push and theres no choice thats definitively better. Recall Leta vs Effort where effort did what you suggest here (spores --> hydra lurker) and he got completely stomped by leta's wraith micro and the inevitable push. Jaedong's problem was just that he was in the wrong place at the wrong time kinda thing. Lost way too many drones to be able to mount resistance, and unfortunately medic marine is invincible in TvZ and does like 84327499299 DPS. I agree spores might have helped tho | ||
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On October 29 2010 02:15 Tomken wrote: What matchup is only sea good at? He did pwn BeSt and JangBi in their best MU, PvT got 80% winrate in PL atm... (example lol) Honestly, right now beating Jangbi is no accomplishment. If even the weaker WMF terrans beat Jangbi, that would be no upset. Beating Best is impressive, but he did not 'pwn' Best, he won with an early advantage that Best almost recovered from. | ||
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j2choe
Canada243 Posts
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chan-role-idyra
Japan35 Posts
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Lightwip
United States5497 Posts
On October 29 2010 11:55 j2choe wrote: Which game was that Leta Effort match you mention? Can you please post a link? | ||
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
i remember when I discussed JD vs Light somewhere else, we thought that best decision here was to put 3rd hatchery NOT in 3rd expo. That is undefendable vs that build. 2 bases' drones might have been saved. | ||
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infinity2k9
United Kingdom2397 Posts
On October 29 2010 11:35 Navi wrote: queens nest: 100-100 (a mutalisk) ensnare research: at least 100-100 (another mutalisk) 2 queens (becuase 1 queen would be too easy to snipe, really): 200-200 (2 more mutalisks) time spent waiting for queens to come out and researches and energy to be complete: a hell of a lot more than ovie speed and quite a few mutalisks with that jaedong did react to the initial harass on the economy subparly, imo he should have pulled back all drones to main while his spire was going up to minimize losses with hydras until his spire was up or if he took out enough wraiths with his hydra to get his gas well i think he could have had a chance after he reduced the wraith number to like 3, because he definetly saw the number of marines growing; he should have gotten lurker research and or thrown up another sunken while he waited for it to come up. even then, the timing would have been razor thin; jaedong was in a very bad position after light raped his drone count I realize the cost and time. But now count the mins of overlords and mutas lost that would not have been... the wraiths are completely useless ensnared | ||
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lastmotion
368 Posts
On October 29 2010 14:25 infinity2k9 wrote: I realize the cost and time. But now count the mins of overlords and mutas lost that would not have been... the wraiths are completely useless ensnared I totally agree. Ensnare'd wraiths are so helpless. 400-400 is a good investment to shut out 2 wraith port solid. This is assuming he can ensnare with 2 or 3 tries (which I'm sure for JD is no prob) | ||
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Navi
5286 Posts
that is 4 mutalisks you aren't making and in that time jaedong is fighting for his fucking life 5 mutalisks as opposed to 9 is very different if he tried to go queens light could very easily just overpower him with onlywraith not to even mention what would happen if he mixed in marines and medics (which he did). | ||
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Emon_
3925 Posts
Jaedong was on three base vs. a teching terran? Granted unsaturated and low army count but Jaedong was in a huge lead if he had denied the early harass better and played more orthodoxly after that. I think the fact that Light went with such a cocky build stirred something inside Jaedong that made him want to dominate Light and put him and every other Terran that doubt him, back in their place. To prove that he is something more by beating them in their own game. If he had played more defensively he could've easily done his patented two-control-groups-of-mutas-until-they-gg build | ||
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_Quasar_
Russian Federation4405 Posts
 So it's worth the risk. | ||
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