On July 11 2011 15:39 Simplistik wrote: I rather dislike the direct seeding to the final. The fans of the first placed team hardly get to see their team during the playoffs. I think I'd prefer it like this:
Match 1: 6th vs 3rd Match 2: 4th vs 5th
Match 3: Match 1 winner vs 2nd Match 4: Match 2 winner vs 1st
Match 5 (final): Match 3 winner vs Match 4 winner
In that case you should give the first a 1 point lead in the match, the same way you do when in a dual elimination tournament the winner of the losers bracket meets the winner of the winners bracket. Otherwise there is not advantage at all to finish first.
Maybe the higher seed gets to choose maps or gets to thumb down more maps on a larger pool of maps to choose from?
What Simplistik proposed is essentially the NFL playoffs format without the home field advantage.
The NFL has a 16 game regular season, though, while PL had 54 this season. They need the stronger seed advantages to keep up interest for 54 regular season games.
MLB/NHL/NBA all have much longer seasons. Of course, MLB has a smaller postseason, while NHL/NBA first rounds are mostly ridiculous.
On July 12 2011 01:09 VGhost wrote: MLB/NHL/NBA all have much longer seasons. Of course, MLB has a smaller postseason, while NHL/NBA first rounds are mostly ridiculous.
NFL has 1:16 ps-rs ratio (post season is max 4 games - 1/4 of season) MLB has 5:162 or 7:162 ps-rs ratio NBA/NHL has 7:82 (4 rounds = 28 games max > 1/3 of season - LOL)
SPL has 3:54 game ratio
MLB has the flukiest post season series by ratio while NBA and NHL are the most steady. NBA games are far more predictable NHL games though. SPL is on par with NFL except when a single 7-set decides the winner in the Grand Finals.
On July 12 2011 12:39 djbhINDI wrote: When is day 3 for KT vs STX?
It starts in about 5 hours (from when this most is made) at around 18:00 KST. I'm looking for an LR thread, but it seems that it hasn't been made yet. D=
On July 12 2011 01:09 VGhost wrote: MLB/NHL/NBA all have much longer seasons. Of course, MLB has a smaller postseason, while NHL/NBA first rounds are mostly ridiculous.
NFL has 1:16 ps-rs ratio (post season is max 4 games - 1/4 of season) MLB has 5:162 or 7:162 ps-rs ratio NBA/NHL has 7:82 (4 rounds = 28 games max > 1/3 of season - LOL)
SPL has 3:54 game ratio
MLB has the flukiest post season series by ratio while NBA and NHL are the most steady. NBA games are far more predictable NHL games though. SPL is on par with NFL except when a single 7-set decides the winner in the Grand Finals.
Not sure where you're going with this?
NFL Teams: 12 teams out of 32 = 3:8 (> 1:3). Games: 16 game season. Playoffs are 4 games. 1:4.
MLB Teams: 8 teams out of 30 = 4:15 (> 1:4). Games: 162 game season. Playoffs are 3 rounds. At least 12 and up to 21 games. Assume an average of 18 (probably high). 1. (Somewhere between 1:13 and 1:8)
NBA/NHL Teams: 16 teams out of 32 = 1:2 Games: 82 game season. Playoffs are 4 rounds. At least 16 and up to 28 games. Assume an average of 24 (probably high). 2:7. (Somewhere between 1:5 and 1:3)
In comparison, SPL Teams: 6 teams out of 10 = 3:5 (Was 6 of 12.) Games: 54 match season. (Was 55.) Playoffs are 4 rounds. At least 7 and up to 9 matches. Assume an average of 8 (no idea). 1:7. (Somewhere between 1:8 and 1:6)
TBH while I love the thundering conclusion of drama that a single best of seven, win or go home, gives to the grand finals, it would be much more equitable to play out the Best of Three like the other series (the 2008-09 league played the same format as the opening series).
Anyway, my point is that of all the major American sports, SPL has a postseason closest to MLB in relative duration.
On July 12 2011 01:09 VGhost wrote: MLB/NHL/NBA all have much longer seasons. Of course, MLB has a smaller postseason, while NHL/NBA first rounds are mostly ridiculous.
NFL has 1:16 ps-rs ratio (post season is max 4 games - 1/4 of season) MLB has 5:162 or 7:162 ps-rs ratio NBA/NHL has 7:82 (4 rounds = 28 games max > 1/3 of season - LOL)
SPL has 3:54 game ratio
MLB has the flukiest post season series by ratio while NBA and NHL are the most steady. NBA games are far more predictable NHL games though. SPL is on par with NFL except when a single 7-set decides the winner in the Grand Finals.
Not sure where you're going with this?
NFL Teams: 12 teams out of 32 = 3:8 (> 1:3). Games: 16 game season. Playoffs are 4 games. 1:4.
MLB Teams: 8 teams out of 30 = 4:15 (> 1:4). Games: 162 game season. Playoffs are 3 rounds. At least 12 and up to 21 games. Assume an average of 18 (probably high). 1. (Somewhere between 1:13 and 1:8)
NBA/NHL Teams: 16 teams out of 32 = 1:2 Games: 82 game season. Playoffs are 4 rounds. At least 16 and up to 28 games. Assume an average of 24 (probably high). 2:7. (Somewhere between 1:5 and 1:3)
In comparison, SPL Teams: 6 teams out of 10 = 3:5 (Was 6 of 12.) Games: 54 match season. (Was 55.) Playoffs are 4 rounds. At least 7 and up to 9 matches. Assume an average of 8 (no idea). 1:7. (Somewhere between 1:8 and 1:6)
TBH while I love the thundering conclusion of drama that a single best of seven, win or go home, gives to the grand finals, it would be much more equitable to play out the Best of Three like the other series (the 2008-09 league played the same format as the opening series).
Anyway, my point is that of all the major American sports, SPL has a postseason closest to MLB in relative duration.
NHL only has 30 teams.
If only there were more teams in SPL ;_; . Can't afford to lose any more
China should bring a team or two to korea for SPL imo. They worked out the broadcasts to china and all, and with the Korean Air OSL and now the SPL finals, China is getting more involved (only as spectators atm). They should send a team :/
These two teams have more finals appearances than all the other teams put together. One with a tradition of winning (sometimes back-to-back) and one with a tradition of omg-so-close-every-year.
When I see this match up, I imagine SKT is a force of good. Heroes who have long battled to keep a perennial evil threat (KT) from getting their claws on the chalice. Granted, last year evil grew too strong while good grew stagnant. The realm was lost. But now the champions of good have returned to restore peace and balance.
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Realistically, a KT victory would prove that a 3rd-6th place team winning PL is possible. I hope we don't see it happen, as proof that KeSPA needs to change the format.
But in winners league SKT was a 3rd-6th team who fought all the way up to take the trophy. So.... It's so funny, skt fought hard to getthrough the monster the is Jaedong to get to winners league final against kt, and kt had to fight hard to get through the monster that is CJ (monster cuz of the fusion of two entities) to get to the pro league final against skt
On July 25 2011 11:24 domane wrote: These two teams have more finals appearances than all the other teams put together. One with a tradition of winning (sometimes back-to-back) and one with a tradition of omg-so-close-every-year.
When I see this match up, I imagine SKT is a force of good. Heroes who have long battled to keep a perennial evil threat (KT) from getting their claws on the chalice. Granted, last year evil grew too strong while good grew stagnant. The realm was lost. But now the champions of good have returned to restore peace and balance; return the realm to its former glory.
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Realistically, a KT victory would prove that a 3rd-6th place team winning PL is possible. I hope we don't see it happen, as a constant reminder that we have a horrible, rigged format that needs to be changed.
On July 25 2011 11:24 domane wrote: These two teams have more finals appearances than all the other teams put together. One with a tradition of winning (sometimes back-to-back) and one with a tradition of omg-so-close-every-year.
When I see this match up, I imagine SKT is a force of good. Heroes who have long battled to keep a perennial evil threat (KT) from getting their claws on the chalice. Granted, last year evil grew too strong while good grew stagnant. The realm was lost. But now the champions of good have returned to restore peace and balance; return the realm to its former glory.
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Realistically, a KT victory would prove that a 3rd-6th place team winning PL is possible. I hope we don't see it happen, as a constant reminder that we have a horrible, rigged format that needs to be changed.
I like your interpretation.
of course you do :|...but I don't want to start some stupid argument..
On July 25 2011 11:24 domane wrote: These two teams have more finals appearances than all the other teams put together. One with a tradition of winning (sometimes back-to-back) and one with a tradition of omg-so-close-every-year.
When I see this match up, I imagine SKT is a force of good. Heroes who have long battled to keep a perennial evil threat (KT) from getting their claws on the chalice. Granted, last year evil grew too strong while good grew stagnant. The realm was lost. But now the champions of good have returned to restore peace and balance; return the realm to its former glory.
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Realistically, a KT victory would prove that a 3rd-6th place team winning PL is possible. I hope we don't see it happen, as a constant reminder that we have a horrible, rigged format that needs to be changed.
On July 25 2011 11:24 domane wrote: These two teams have more finals appearances than all the other teams put together. One with a tradition of winning (sometimes back-to-back) and one with a tradition of omg-so-close-every-year.
When I see this match up, I imagine SKT is a force of good. Heroes who have long battled to keep a perennial evil threat (KT) from getting their claws on the chalice. Granted, last year evil grew too strong while good grew stagnant. The realm was lost. But now the champions of good have returned to restore peace and balance; return the realm to its former glory.
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Realistically, a KT victory would prove that a 3rd-6th place team winning PL is possible. I hope we don't see it happen, as a constant reminder that we have a horrible, rigged format that needs to be changed.
Any team with Iloveoov are automatically the bad guys. I mean unless you really think the old reach/nal_ra/yellow team was a bunch of evil players. (:
I think I understand why they did it. But it really defies consistency when the previous games in the layoffs were played in a Bo3 and then the Grand Finals is played as a Bo1. It breaks my mind. -_-