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VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3613 Posts
July 11 2011 16:09 GMT
#581
On July 12 2011 00:32 andrewlt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2011 16:26 bearbuddy wrote:
On July 11 2011 16:22 endy wrote:
On July 11 2011 15:39 Simplistik wrote:
I rather dislike the direct seeding to the final. The fans of the first placed team hardly get to see their team during the playoffs. I think I'd prefer it like this:

Match 1: 6th vs 3rd
Match 2: 4th vs 5th

Match 3: Match 1 winner vs 2nd
Match 4: Match 2 winner vs 1st

Match 5 (final): Match 3 winner vs Match 4 winner


In that case you should give the first a 1 point lead in the match, the same way you do when in a dual elimination tournament the winner of the losers bracket meets the winner of the winners bracket. Otherwise there is not advantage at all to finish first.


Maybe the higher seed gets to choose maps or gets to thumb down more maps on a larger pool of maps to choose from?

What Simplistik proposed is essentially the NFL playoffs format without the home field advantage.



The NFL has a 16 game regular season, though, while PL had 54 this season. They need the stronger seed advantages to keep up interest for 54 regular season games.


MLB/NHL/NBA all have much longer seasons. Of course, MLB has a smaller postseason, while NHL/NBA first rounds are mostly ridiculous.
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TanGeng
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sanya12364 Posts
July 11 2011 17:53 GMT
#582
On July 12 2011 01:09 VGhost wrote:
MLB/NHL/NBA all have much longer seasons. Of course, MLB has a smaller postseason, while NHL/NBA first rounds are mostly ridiculous.


NFL has 1:16 ps-rs ratio (post season is max 4 games - 1/4 of season)
MLB has 5:162 or 7:162 ps-rs ratio
NBA/NHL has 7:82 (4 rounds = 28 games max > 1/3 of season - LOL)

SPL has 3:54 game ratio

MLB has the flukiest post season series by ratio while NBA and NHL are the most steady. NBA games are far more predictable NHL games though.
SPL is on par with NFL except when a single 7-set decides the winner in the Grand Finals.
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djbhINDI
Profile Joined June 2011
United States372 Posts
July 12 2011 03:39 GMT
#583
When is day 3 for KT vs STX?
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blahman3344
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States2015 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-12 03:55:38
July 12 2011 03:55 GMT
#584
On July 12 2011 12:39 djbhINDI wrote:
When is day 3 for KT vs STX?


It starts in about 5 hours (from when this most is made) at around 18:00 KST. I'm looking for an LR thread, but it seems that it hasn't been made yet. D=
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VGhost
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States3613 Posts
July 15 2011 03:24 GMT
#585
On July 12 2011 02:53 TanGeng wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 01:09 VGhost wrote:
MLB/NHL/NBA all have much longer seasons. Of course, MLB has a smaller postseason, while NHL/NBA first rounds are mostly ridiculous.


NFL has 1:16 ps-rs ratio (post season is max 4 games - 1/4 of season)
MLB has 5:162 or 7:162 ps-rs ratio
NBA/NHL has 7:82 (4 rounds = 28 games max > 1/3 of season - LOL)

SPL has 3:54 game ratio

MLB has the flukiest post season series by ratio while NBA and NHL are the most steady. NBA games are far more predictable NHL games though.
SPL is on par with NFL except when a single 7-set decides the winner in the Grand Finals.


Not sure where you're going with this?

NFL
Teams: 12 teams out of 32 = 3:8 (> 1:3).
Games: 16 game season. Playoffs are 4 games. 1:4.

MLB
Teams: 8 teams out of 30 = 4:15 (> 1:4).
Games: 162 game season. Playoffs are 3 rounds. At least 12 and up to 21 games. Assume an average of 18 (probably high). 1. (Somewhere between 1:13 and 1:8)

NBA/NHL
Teams: 16 teams out of 32 = 1:2
Games: 82 game season. Playoffs are 4 rounds. At least 16 and up to 28 games. Assume an average of 24 (probably high). 2:7. (Somewhere between 1:5 and 1:3)

In comparison, SPL
Teams: 6 teams out of 10 = 3:5 (Was 6 of 12.)
Games: 54 match season. (Was 55.) Playoffs are 4 rounds. At least 7 and up to 9 matches. Assume an average of 8 (no idea). 1:7. (Somewhere between 1:8 and 1:6)

TBH while I love the thundering conclusion of drama that a single best of seven, win or go home, gives to the grand finals, it would be much more equitable to play out the Best of Three like the other series (the 2008-09 league played the same format as the opening series).

Anyway, my point is that of all the major American sports, SPL has a postseason closest to MLB in relative duration.
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Doughboy
Profile Joined April 2010
United States721 Posts
July 15 2011 03:55 GMT
#586
On July 15 2011 12:24 VGhost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2011 02:53 TanGeng wrote:
On July 12 2011 01:09 VGhost wrote:
MLB/NHL/NBA all have much longer seasons. Of course, MLB has a smaller postseason, while NHL/NBA first rounds are mostly ridiculous.


NFL has 1:16 ps-rs ratio (post season is max 4 games - 1/4 of season)
MLB has 5:162 or 7:162 ps-rs ratio
NBA/NHL has 7:82 (4 rounds = 28 games max > 1/3 of season - LOL)

SPL has 3:54 game ratio

MLB has the flukiest post season series by ratio while NBA and NHL are the most steady. NBA games are far more predictable NHL games though.
SPL is on par with NFL except when a single 7-set decides the winner in the Grand Finals.


Not sure where you're going with this?

NFL
Teams: 12 teams out of 32 = 3:8 (> 1:3).
Games: 16 game season. Playoffs are 4 games. 1:4.

MLB
Teams: 8 teams out of 30 = 4:15 (> 1:4).
Games: 162 game season. Playoffs are 3 rounds. At least 12 and up to 21 games. Assume an average of 18 (probably high). 1. (Somewhere between 1:13 and 1:8)

NBA/NHL
Teams: 16 teams out of 32 = 1:2
Games: 82 game season. Playoffs are 4 rounds. At least 16 and up to 28 games. Assume an average of 24 (probably high). 2:7. (Somewhere between 1:5 and 1:3)

In comparison, SPL
Teams: 6 teams out of 10 = 3:5 (Was 6 of 12.)
Games: 54 match season. (Was 55.) Playoffs are 4 rounds. At least 7 and up to 9 matches. Assume an average of 8 (no idea). 1:7. (Somewhere between 1:8 and 1:6)

TBH while I love the thundering conclusion of drama that a single best of seven, win or go home, gives to the grand finals, it would be much more equitable to play out the Best of Three like the other series (the 2008-09 league played the same format as the opening series).

Anyway, my point is that of all the major American sports, SPL has a postseason closest to MLB in relative duration.


NHL only has 30 teams.

If only there were more teams in SPL ;_; . Can't afford to lose any more
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moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
July 15 2011 04:25 GMT
#587
China should bring a team or two to korea for SPL imo. They worked out the broadcasts to china and all, and with the Korean Air OSL and now the SPL finals, China is getting more involved (only as spectators atm). They should send a team :/
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gds
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Iceland1391 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-15 04:36:51
July 15 2011 04:26 GMT
#588
Cant find when + Show Spoiler +
kt vs Woongjin
is planned on the tl calendar, anyone knows?

edit: ty moopie
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
July 15 2011 04:31 GMT
#589
On July 15 2011 13:26 gds wrote:
Cant find when + Show Spoiler +
kt vs Woongjin
is planned on the tl calendar, anyone knows?

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=243163
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domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-05 23:03:15
July 25 2011 02:24 GMT
#590
These two teams have more finals appearances than all the other teams put together. One with a tradition of winning (sometimes back-to-back) and one with a tradition of omg-so-close-every-year.

When I see this match up, I imagine SKT is a force of good. Heroes who have long battled to keep a perennial evil threat (KT) from getting their claws on the chalice. Granted, last year evil grew too strong while good grew stagnant. The realm was lost. But now the champions of good have returned to restore peace and balance.

-------

Realistically, a KT victory would prove that a 3rd-6th place team winning PL is possible. I hope we don't see it happen, as proof that KeSPA needs to change the format.
henzi
Profile Joined November 2010
United States200 Posts
July 25 2011 04:45 GMT
#591
But in winners league SKT was a 3rd-6th team who fought all the way up to take the trophy. So.... It's so funny, skt fought hard to getthrough the monster the is Jaedong to get to winners league final against kt, and kt had to fight hard to get through the monster that is CJ (monster cuz of the fusion of two entities) to get to the pro league final against skt
Spica
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5582 Posts
July 25 2011 06:02 GMT
#592
On July 25 2011 11:24 domane wrote:
These two teams have more finals appearances than all the other teams put together. One with a tradition of winning (sometimes back-to-back) and one with a tradition of omg-so-close-every-year.

When I see this match up, I imagine SKT is a force of good. Heroes who have long battled to keep a perennial evil threat (KT) from getting their claws on the chalice. Granted, last year evil grew too strong while good grew stagnant. The realm was lost. But now the champions of good have returned to restore peace and balance; return the realm to its former glory.

-------

Realistically, a KT victory would prove that a 3rd-6th place team winning PL is possible. I hope we don't see it happen, as a constant reminder that we have a horrible, rigged format that needs to be changed.

I like your interpretation.
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BLinD-RawR
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
ALLEYCAT BLUES50121 Posts
July 25 2011 06:15 GMT
#593
On July 25 2011 15:02 Spica wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 25 2011 11:24 domane wrote:
These two teams have more finals appearances than all the other teams put together. One with a tradition of winning (sometimes back-to-back) and one with a tradition of omg-so-close-every-year.

When I see this match up, I imagine SKT is a force of good. Heroes who have long battled to keep a perennial evil threat (KT) from getting their claws on the chalice. Granted, last year evil grew too strong while good grew stagnant. The realm was lost. But now the champions of good have returned to restore peace and balance; return the realm to its former glory.

-------

Realistically, a KT victory would prove that a 3rd-6th place team winning PL is possible. I hope we don't see it happen, as a constant reminder that we have a horrible, rigged format that needs to be changed.

I like your interpretation.


of course you do :|...but I don't want to start some stupid argument..
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ffreakk
Profile Joined September 2010
Singapore2155 Posts
July 25 2011 06:58 GMT
#594
On July 25 2011 11:24 domane wrote:
These two teams have more finals appearances than all the other teams put together. One with a tradition of winning (sometimes back-to-back) and one with a tradition of omg-so-close-every-year.

When I see this match up, I imagine SKT is a force of good. Heroes who have long battled to keep a perennial evil threat (KT) from getting their claws on the chalice. Granted, last year evil grew too strong while good grew stagnant. The realm was lost. But now the champions of good have returned to restore peace and balance; return the realm to its former glory.

-------

Realistically, a KT victory would prove that a 3rd-6th place team winning PL is possible. I hope we don't see it happen, as a constant reminder that we have a horrible, rigged format that needs to be changed.


I too like ur interpretation <3
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TwoToneTerran
Profile Joined March 2009
United States8841 Posts
July 25 2011 07:11 GMT
#595
On July 25 2011 11:24 domane wrote:
These two teams have more finals appearances than all the other teams put together. One with a tradition of winning (sometimes back-to-back) and one with a tradition of omg-so-close-every-year.

When I see this match up, I imagine SKT is a force of good. Heroes who have long battled to keep a perennial evil threat (KT) from getting their claws on the chalice. Granted, last year evil grew too strong while good grew stagnant. The realm was lost. But now the champions of good have returned to restore peace and balance; return the realm to its former glory.

-------

Realistically, a KT victory would prove that a 3rd-6th place team winning PL is possible. I hope we don't see it happen, as a constant reminder that we have a horrible, rigged format that needs to be changed.


Any team with Iloveoov are automatically the bad guys. I mean unless you really think the old reach/nal_ra/yellow team was a bunch of evil players. (:
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Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2006 Posts
July 25 2011 16:11 GMT
#596
I'm surprised that there is no KT hype thread. After that playoff run it would even be deserved.
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gulati
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States2241 Posts
July 29 2011 14:13 GMT
#597
Leta v Flash was a game for the ages. Really sad that CJ didn't advance to finals -- would have LOVED to see them take Gold. Another SKT/KT war T,T
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Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2006 Posts
August 20 2011 11:23 GMT
#598
And so the season comes to an end.

Congratulations KT!

Better luck next season SKT.
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RaiKageRyu
Profile Joined August 2009
Canada4773 Posts
August 22 2011 05:55 GMT
#599
I think I understand why they did it. But it really defies consistency when the previous games in the layoffs were played in a Bo3 and then the Grand Finals is played as a Bo1. It breaks my mind. -_-
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domane
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
Canada1606 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-23 03:49:49
August 23 2011 03:49 GMT
#600
I remember reading an article (I couldn't find it again) saying that (T)FrOzean retired from BW.

Could someone else confirm this information please?
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