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538
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Hungary3932 Posts
July 25 2010 22:23 GMT
#821
God what an amazing game of Starcraft. If only I could see it live instead of only now. Kal might never beat Jaedong, but he sure as hell delivers wonderful games. I just hope he doesnt lose 2-0...

Kim Ku Hyun fighting!
BW fighting!
Zhul
Profile Joined February 2010
Czech Republic430 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-25 23:32:20
July 25 2010 23:28 GMT
#822
Flash and Violet discussing how will Flash win.
Flash: I`m already bored from long macro games. So do sth stupid like 1 proxy gate and I show my ingenious knowledge of probe timing to predict your cheese. HAHA
Violet: You think so? 1 proxy gate is so stupid, it will be clear we are cheating!
Flash: So ... ok, then you will add imba fast DT tech so it will look like this is your aim. And I will stop it with uber gangzta mines. MUAHAHAHHAHAH
Violet: Ok this might work.
RIGHT AFTER THE GAME STARTS
Flash: F**k I forgot that BO. *looking on paper* Ahh 1 gate proxy...

Flash fan :-*
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8161 Posts
July 25 2010 23:58 GMT
#823
man all these games were great, too bad that STX lost every one . kal was sooooooo close :\. it seems like he just sorta choked at the end and forgot how to play vs dark swarm completely or something.
Free Palestine
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
July 26 2010 01:42 GMT
#824
@Tien and raga: you guys are very right that Kal was being cautious and didn't want to risk it. But nothing is as big of risk as taking an expansion far-away and stretching your thin when your minerals are running out. Tien is absolutely correct that everything is 20/20 in hindsight. However, I still don't really understand Kal's decision. Every high-level Protoss player would have made a rational decision in that scenario, but Kal's chioce to do what he did is puzzling to say the least. So many options, many of them decent. Goes for the worst one in my eyes.

Nevertheless, it was a good game and we will leave it at that.
dekuschrub
Profile Joined May 2008
United States2069 Posts
July 26 2010 01:58 GMT
#825
man how did JD do that?

crazy game
yanmaodao
Profile Joined February 2010
United States430 Posts
July 26 2010 02:15 GMT
#826
Man, how I would love to see a Flash vs. Stats series. The main man vs. his #2, Ovechkin vs. Backstrom (hockey reference for non-hockey aware philistines).

I realize that due to seeding this would mean Bisu has to lose. He can have the OSL.
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
July 26 2010 03:19 GMT
#827
just finished watching these games
kal/JD always seems to deliver and i lol'd at flash busting out his ruler mid-match to measure his keyboard
Forever Young
WWJDD
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
India342 Posts
July 26 2010 03:33 GMT
#828
Not to mention taking a swig at Pocari sweat. Unless I am not mis-remembering it. Flash used to do these two things in all his dominant wins. Ruler and the Pocari sweat. If they do nothing, they at least provide reassurance and renewed confidence with memories of a more dominant time. When it comes to the pinnacle of human achievement, there's no superstition, when it comes to props. It's just using tools to condition the brain to enter a zone with which it was once familiar.
WWJDD??
Exteray
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States1094 Posts
July 26 2010 18:03 GMT
#829
JD is now on a 10-win streak against Kal :o poor kal
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-26 19:27:28
July 26 2010 19:25 GMT
#830
If I am Kal, I'd be heart broken...

His series against Flash and Jaedong are like FBH v.s. Flash, always close, always there, always pushing the opponent hard, but always lose in the end regardless of what actually happened in the games.

I was rooting for Kal too...and even cheered out aloud when he gained a seemingly decisively advantage...

He is no #1 toss if he can't step up to the plate...thank god we have Bisu!

Oh, and STX went 0-3 and KT went 3-0. As a SKT fan, I feel very happy. Epic final, here we come.
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
July 27 2010 15:25 GMT
#831
On July 25 2010 04:49 jalstar wrote:
If the players who won on Day 1 advance we get:

(T)Flash vs (P)Stats
(T)Fantasy vs (T)Light

(Z)EffOrt vs (T)Sea
(Z)Jaedong vs (T)fOrGG

So possibly 3 KT players in Ro8.

Stupid Kespa seeding gives us Flash vs Fantasy and Effort vs Jaedong semis, instead of far more epic Flash vs Effort and Fantasy vs Jaedong (2 OSL final rematches in the semifinals yes please)



Fantasy probably would lose to light....and sea would likely beat effort...
SubtleArt
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
2710 Posts
July 27 2010 15:42 GMT
#832
On July 26 2010 10:42 OneOther wrote:
@Tien and raga: you guys are very right that Kal was being cautious and didn't want to risk it. But nothing is as big of risk as taking an expansion far-away and stretching your thin when your minerals are running out. Tien is absolutely correct that everything is 20/20 in hindsight. However, I still don't really understand Kal's decision. Every high-level Protoss player would have made a rational decision in that scenario, but Kal's chioce to do what he did is puzzling to say the least. So many options, many of them decent. Goes for the worst one in my eyes.

Nevertheless, it was a good game and we will leave it at that.


I think Kal's advantage was a bit overstated though. After that lurker contain jaedong stayed on 4 very well saturating bases vs kal's 2 for a good 3 minutes. He was behind after the 4th got taken out, but not THAT behind.
Morrow on ZvP: "I'm not very confident in general vs Protoss because of the imbalance (Yes its imbalanced, get over it)."
Sleight
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
2471 Posts
July 27 2010 19:18 GMT
#833
On July 28 2010 00:42 SubtleArt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 26 2010 10:42 OneOther wrote:
@Tien and raga: you guys are very right that Kal was being cautious and didn't want to risk it. But nothing is as big of risk as taking an expansion far-away and stretching your thin when your minerals are running out. Tien is absolutely correct that everything is 20/20 in hindsight. However, I still don't really understand Kal's decision. Every high-level Protoss player would have made a rational decision in that scenario, but Kal's chioce to do what he did is puzzling to say the least. So many options, many of them decent. Goes for the worst one in my eyes.

Nevertheless, it was a good game and we will leave it at that.


I think Kal's advantage was a bit overstated though. After that lurker contain jaedong stayed on 4 very well saturating bases vs kal's 2 for a good 3 minutes. He was behind after the 4th got taken out, but not THAT behind.



I completely agree. I listened to moletrap's cast of it after I already watched it and he actually screamed "THIS COULD BE GAME IF JAEDONG LOSES HIS 4th!!!!oneone1!"

All I could think was... JD has been on 4 saturated bases for several minutes, Kal hasn't even come close to saturating his 3rd. This is maybe Kal favored at most. Kal maybe had a moderate advantage up until defilers showed up, but he had no plan for dealing with Hive tech. Thus, the easy clean up for JD.
One Love
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
July 27 2010 19:32 GMT
#834
The only thing that fourth did was allow JD to make more units. Which he lost all of his army in that attack near 9. It wouldn't matter if JD was on 5 or 6 bases beforehand if he's brought down to three bases with no army. The end result is the same--three bases and little army.

The benefit of the 4 bases was lost the minute JD lost the bulk of his army, so I'm not really sure what the point you're making is? It's not like being on more bases lends yourself to an advantage other than a bigger army, which JD lost.
Jaedong
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
July 27 2010 19:45 GMT
#835
On July 28 2010 04:32 Avidkeystamper wrote:
The only thing that fourth did was allow JD to make more units. Which he lost all of his army in that attack near 9. It wouldn't matter if JD was on 5 or 6 bases beforehand if he's brought down to three bases with no army. The end result is the same--three bases and little army.

The benefit of the 4 bases was lost the minute JD lost the bulk of his army, so I'm not really sure what the point you're making is? It's not like being on more bases lends yourself to an advantage other than a bigger army, which JD lost.

Yeah, this is correct. Any advantage he had by running four bases was lost when his army got obliterated. Kal had a maximized army from three bases (right as main/nat ran out) that he literally used for...nothing.
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
July 27 2010 20:46 GMT
#836
On July 25 2010 04:49 jalstar wrote:
If the players who won on Day 1 advance we get:

(T)Flash vs (P)Stats
(T)Fantasy vs (T)Light

(Z)EffOrt vs (T)Sea
(Z)Jaedong vs (T)fOrGG

So possibly 3 KT players in Ro8.

Stupid Kespa seeding gives us Flash vs Fantasy and Effort vs Jaedong semis, instead of far more epic Flash vs Effort and Fantasy vs Jaedong (2 OSL final rematches in the semifinals yes please)


I like how you blindly overlook the fact that "stupid Kespa seeding" also guarantees us not to get Flash vs Jaedong semifinals. Selective reasoning much?
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