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Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8093 Posts
July 01 2010 10:19 GMT
#541
On July 01 2010 19:17 Jackal03 wrote:
just woke up to see the results, the obvious happended (in all games)

Silly cj fan
Loda talked about the fun counter, it's AdmiralBulldog on his natures prophet
J1.au
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Australia3596 Posts
July 01 2010 10:21 GMT
#542
I think it was smart of Flash to place Effort in his group. Now he knows his vZ deficiencies and can correct them.
Samurai-
Profile Joined May 2008
Slovenia2035 Posts
July 01 2010 10:21 GMT
#543
great refresh op, ffs..
One ring, to rule them all!
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
July 01 2010 10:21 GMT
#544
Wow the zerg could have totally won that xD I was kinda nervous for Flash tbh.
Revolutionist fan
McDonalds
Profile Joined March 2010
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
July 01 2010 10:21 GMT
#545
On July 01 2010 16:52 McDonalds wrote:
The following results would make me :---)

(T)Flash < (T)Classic
(Z)EffOrt > (Z)s2
(T)Classic > (Z)EffOrt
(T)Flash > (Z)s2

(Z)EffOrt: Grr I must live up to my name and full life consequences

(T)Flash < (Z)EffOrt

Results were:
(T)Flash > (T)Classic
(Z)EffOrt > (Z)s2
(T)Flash < (Z)EffOrt
(T)Classic < (Z)s2

(T)Flash: Grr I must live up to my ??? and ???

(T)Flash > (Z)s2

This is not what I had in mind, universe!!
High five :---)
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-01 10:23:40
July 01 2010 10:22 GMT
#546
On July 01 2010 19:16 snowdrift86 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2010 19:14 moopie wrote:
On July 01 2010 19:13 snowdrift86 wrote:
On July 01 2010 19:11 Megalisk wrote:
Typical mech bullshit

gg


14cc and mech, my dear. Considering the odds, s2 played pretty well.

You can't count 14cc as flash's fault when he did it as a result of seeing s2's opening (12hatch, followed by in-base 3rd before pool). He waited to put the cc down until after he scouted, to know if he can play econ (in response to the opponent's econ opening) or start producing units.


Are you sure? I just saw the 14cc and thought s2 was the one reacting to it. Guess I'm too used to seeing it that way.


s2's overlord didn't even reach flash's base when flash's scv reached s2's base, it was about halfway there (as is the usual case with overlord scouting). Yes, by waiting with his rax flash allowed himself the option to play an econ game, but also if needed, double rax into defensive play. He saw the 12 hatch (even delayed it a bit with his scv if you recall), and then threw down the CC. I don't think you can count that against him, as its just reacting to balance out your opponent. Had s2 gone for a less greedy opening (I mean, christ, 3 hatch before pool), flash would have likely done the same (if only to survive the early wave of lings).

On July 01 2010 19:16 Gustav_Wind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2010 19:14 moopie wrote:
On July 01 2010 19:13 snowdrift86 wrote:
On July 01 2010 19:11 Megalisk wrote:
Typical mech bullshit

gg


14cc and mech, my dear. Considering the odds, s2 played pretty well.

You can't count 14cc as flash's fault when he did it as a result of seeing s2's opening (12hatch, followed by in-base 3rd before pool). He waited to put the cc down until after he scouted, to know if he can play econ (in response to the opponent's econ opening) or start producing units.


What? How can you wait to 14cc until after scout? By not making your barracks for that long you are kind of committed to the greedy econ opening.


You can also double rax and wall off the choke if needed instead of a CC. He scouted on 12 or so. Flash's scout into 14cc is something that he has done quite a few times, even vT on match point.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
pieisamazing
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1234 Posts
July 01 2010 10:22 GMT
#547
Effort owning Flash. What else is new
connoisseur
rainei
Profile Joined November 2009
Canada1316 Posts
July 01 2010 10:22 GMT
#548
I wonder if s2 had attacked at Flash's natural with his guardians, he could have done a LOT more damage. Although Flash's army wasn't at his natural, he could basically take out the nat and prevent his guards from being sniped off, as there's plenty of cliff area above it.
All aboard the HSY fanboat/train/ whatever form of transportation you desire!! Everyday is Sojin day
khellian
Profile Joined February 2010
Korea (South)922 Posts
July 01 2010 10:23 GMT
#549
On July 01 2010 19:19 Scaramanga wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2010 19:17 Jackal03 wrote:
just woke up to see the results, the obvious happended (in all games)

Silly cj fan

Why is that silly? Effort has won 5 of the 7 games they have played lately. Or did Flash lose all of those 5 games, not Effort winning them? lol
McDonalds
Profile Joined March 2010
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
July 01 2010 10:24 GMT
#550
On July 01 2010 19:21 J1.au wrote:
I think it was smart of Flash to place Effort in his group. Now he knows his vZ deficiencies and can correct them.


Shouldn't he have known this after their last encounter? Or after the entire Proleague season?
High five :---)
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
July 01 2010 10:24 GMT
#551
On July 01 2010 19:22 rainei wrote:
I wonder if s2 had attacked at Flash's natural with his guardians, he could have done a LOT more damage. Although Flash's army wasn't at his natural, he could basically take out the nat and prevent his guards from being sniped off, as there's plenty of cliff area above it.

If he would have waited for his defilers/consume before he threw away a couple of waves of his army he might have been able to break flash, since at that point he had already taken care of most of the mines. Alas, he figured he didn't need them or whatever.
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
alypse
Profile Joined May 2010
2784 Posts
July 01 2010 10:25 GMT
#552
What? Still no OP for Group B?
KT Violet 1988 - 2012
pieisamazing
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1234 Posts
July 01 2010 10:25 GMT
#553
On July 01 2010 19:23 khellian wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2010 19:19 Scaramanga wrote:
On July 01 2010 19:17 Jackal03 wrote:
just woke up to see the results, the obvious happended (in all games)

Silly cj fan

Why is that silly? Effort has won 5 of the 7 games they have played lately. Or did Flash lose all of those 5 games, not Effort winning them? lol

Scaramanga is known to be an avid Flash fanboy.
connoisseur
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
July 01 2010 10:26 GMT
#554
On July 01 2010 19:25 pieisamazing wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2010 19:23 khellian wrote:
On July 01 2010 19:19 Scaramanga wrote:
On July 01 2010 19:17 Jackal03 wrote:
just woke up to see the results, the obvious happended (in all games)

Silly cj fan

Why is that silly? Effort has won 5 of the 7 games they have played lately. Or did Flash lose all of those 5 games, not Effort winning them? lol

Scaramanga is known to be an avid Flash fanboy.


yep, don't discuss
BW is back
moopie
Profile Joined July 2009
12605 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-01 10:30:51
July 01 2010 10:26 GMT
#555
On July 01 2010 19:24 McDonalds wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2010 19:21 J1.au wrote:
I think it was smart of Flash to place Effort in his group. Now he knows his vZ deficiencies and can correct them.


Shouldn't he have known this after their last encounter? Or after the entire Proleague season?

The finals vs effort he lost to lings (and his own greedy play), and then in the pl match, with valks vs lurkers (which you can't learn much from other than "don't do that"), and here is your "entire Proleague season".

He does need to work on his lategame vZ, but he doesn't get to explore it in televised matches all too often (except for w/ JD, though not these last finals).
I'm going to sleep, let me get some of that carpet.
anch
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States5457 Posts
July 01 2010 10:27 GMT
#556
Losing to Effort: uncreative
Winning s2: Mech is imba

Flash has long way to go, I hope he doesnt suicide.
12yearsofsc
Profile Joined May 2010
Greece30 Posts
July 01 2010 10:28 GMT
#557
s2 made a lot of mistakes in that combo attack. He should send guardians first (they could take down goliaths first then tanks, there was a great number there) and follow with ground army. At least he could clear 4th and leave not push into 3rd.
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5779 Posts
July 01 2010 10:29 GMT
#558
On July 01 2010 19:27 anch wrote:
Losing to Effort: uncreative
Winning s2: Mech is imba

Flash has long way to go, I hope he doesnt suicide.

At least it's better than a year ago, when he got knocked out in the early rounds with this kind of play.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
khellian
Profile Joined February 2010
Korea (South)922 Posts
July 01 2010 10:29 GMT
#559
On July 01 2010 19:26 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2010 19:24 McDonalds wrote:
On July 01 2010 19:21 J1.au wrote:
I think it was smart of Flash to place Effort in his group. Now he knows his vZ deficiencies and can correct them.


Shouldn't he have known this after their last encounter? Or after the entire Proleague season?

The finals vs effort he lost to lings (and his own greedy play), and then in the pl match, with valks vs lurkers (which you can't learn much from other than "don't do that"), and here is your "entire Proleague season"

Well you can take away two games against "you know who" because we all know why Flash won those games... ^_*

But I totaly agree with you.
McDonalds
Profile Joined March 2010
Liechtenstein2244 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-07-01 10:32:10
July 01 2010 10:31 GMT
#560
On July 01 2010 19:26 moopie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2010 19:24 McDonalds wrote:
On July 01 2010 19:21 J1.au wrote:
I think it was smart of Flash to place Effort in his group. Now he knows his vZ deficiencies and can correct them.


Shouldn't he have known this after their last encounter? Or after the entire Proleague season?

The finals vs effort he lost to lings (and his own greedy play), and then in the pl match, with valks vs lurkers (which you can't learn much from other than "don't do that"), and here is your "entire Proleague season"


So basically you're saying that one game against Effort today is more valuable to him than five games against Effort a while ago and thirteen games against zerg opponents over time.

I'd say that if he lost three times to nothing but zerglings then his deficiency is DEFENSE AGAINST ZERGLINGS. But that isn't what happened.
High five :---)
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