Game 1: cute strategy by the winner. one-sided game, not really worth watching Game 2: ok game, watch if you have spare time Game 3: winner dominates, not worth watching Game 4: same as game 3 Game 5: watch it
On June 21 2010 03:01 Rio wrote: Bisu Hyuk and Fantasy will win this ez
Baby, Midas, and Shine will win this ez. -_- You annoy me with your random win calling. (:< )
On a more serious note, however, I wish the games were at a time I could watch...I can only watch the 13:00 KST games, or else I'll have to stay up at like 1 in the morning blah~ STX vs Khan promises to be special, since STX is slumping as of late and Khan is (sorta) doing better than before, and I also made the possibly boneheaded decision of liquibetting Khan. WeMade vs SKT1 promises to be even more entertaining, since these are two teams that are simply beasting at the moment and there could be some insane matchups! ^^ b
This match can really go either way... If Wemade can snipe T1's Protoss players with Shine/Roro they're in the money, or with their Terrans vs T1's Zergs. If it ever goes to ace match, I expect Baby vs Fantasy.
I can only orgasm if fantasy rapes. or gets raped. I just think any game he plays is going to be interesting against fox. I wouldnt mind him getting revenge on pure, or playing baby since both are creative players in different ways.
SKT Coach and WeMade Coach need a pre-arranged agreement to either a) Send BoxeR and NaDa on ACE if it goes to ACE OR b) Agree to send BoxeR and NaDa on a certain map... FOR THE FANS!
Hm, I wanted to write that NaDa switching places with Midas would be better but then I decided to keep the statement short. So I would prefer if he wins as long as it doesn't affect my FPL.
/edit: I would also sacrifice points for the ace match stated above ;-)
Pilgrims of Khala, servants of Aiur, fellow comrades of SKT, I bid you to entrust your hopes and dreams into your king and embark upon the sacred pilgrimage of Adun. Pray that our morning lord, Bisu, the sired son of Adun, to rise from the ashes and reclaim the lost glory of the Protoss race. Let us pray in silence and watch in ecstasy!
On June 21 2010 18:18 ella_guru wrote: wtf its 5 am : (
If I were good at drawing on paint, I would totally make one of those "Oh god what have I done" comics about when I stay up until 7:30 AM watching Starcraft.
Also, I love when the two matches are perfectly staggered so that there is a game going at all times ^_^
On June 21 2010 18:18 ella_guru wrote: wtf its 5 am : (
If I were good at drawing on paint, I would totally make one of those "Oh god what have I done" comics about when I stay up until 7:30 AM watching Starcraft.
Also, I love when the two matches are perfectly staggered so that there is a game going at all times ^_^
well shine has a good drone count, significantly later lair, and a decent amount of hydralisks to defend against sairs or reaver harass.... I'd say it's a decent situation for both players.
best going to push now, has 2 reavers, good gateway comp with 4 templar. Shine wastes all his scourge for nothing basically. overlord drops 2 lurks, but good reaction means best losses very little
Drop stops mining at bests nat but Best is running all over the third of shine, shine losses all of his units, best is going to try to win this 1 base vs now 2. best loses a reaver and almost loses the shuttle, reclaims nat
Very nice attack by best, took out the front base and a lot of stuff. Still has a Reaver, temps, goons left and managed to clear the drop at his natural.
I just wanted to say I'm laughing in disbelief. FOX catches fantasy in his worst MU, but loses. FOX then catches Best in his worst MU, but loses again. Oh the horror!
On June 21 2010 19:03 foxmeep wrote: This is honestly close to D+ level play (from S2)... =/
??? The game was over after his D defence vs the 8rax bunker rush which left him with 3 drones after 12pooling, everything after that is not gging in time.
On June 21 2010 19:08 C[SCL] wrote: My guess was that s2 was the sacrificial lamb since they know Baby will probably be sent out next. So my guess is, Bisu up next.
Afaik they are picked beforehand so you can't send out people like that.
On June 21 2010 19:08 C[SCL] wrote: My guess was that s2 was the sacrificial lamb since they know Baby will probably be sent out next. So my guess is, Bisu up next.
Afaik they are picked beforehand so you can't send out people like that.
I'm almost 100% sure they're picked at each game now, after the new changes.
On June 21 2010 19:15 C[SCL] wrote: Can anyone explain the format? So they are already picked BEFORE the match? Just not announced? Or via WL format but without to winner stays thing?
They're picked after each game. You'll see the coach with a little piece of paper quite often.
On June 21 2010 19:15 C[SCL] wrote: Can anyone explain the format? So they are already picked BEFORE the match? Just not announced? Or via WL format but without to winner stays thing?
I don't think they were planning to play Bisu. He's got a match vs Mind coming up and WeMade is stacked with Terrans. Don't wanna reveal anything new or give such an up-front preview so close to a match. GOGO HYUK!
lol, the massive hype for Bisu was all for naught. It's like the less he's seen, the wilder the predictions from his fans. At least the "Savior will destroy everyone in 2009" hype had Lost Saga to back it up.
On June 21 2010 19:21 snowdrift86 wrote: lol, the massive hype for Bisu was all for naught. It's like the less he's seen, the wilder the predictions from his fans.
Yeah because throwing him against a team filled with terrans instead of a zerg is crazy right?
On June 21 2010 19:21 snowdrift86 wrote: lol, the massive hype for Bisu was all for naught. It's like the less he's seen, the wilder the predictions from his fans.
Yeah because throwing him against a team filled with terrans instead of a zerg is crazy right?
On June 21 2010 19:21 snowdrift86 wrote: lol, the massive hype for Bisu was all for naught. It's like the less he's seen, the wilder the predictions from his fans.
Yeah because throwing him against a team filled with terrans instead of a zerg is crazy right?
3 minutes in and the zerg looks already behind.
How does Hyuk looks behind there ? Mind moving out, forces hyuk to make two sunkens, moves back. Muta incoming.
On June 21 2010 19:21 snowdrift86 wrote: lol, the massive hype for Bisu was all for naught. It's like the less he's seen, the wilder the predictions from his fans.
Yeah because throwing him against a team filled with terrans instead of a zerg is crazy right?
3 minutes in and the zerg looks already behind.
Bisu's PvZ has always been better than his PvT.
Not always, but i can understand people think so :p
On June 21 2010 19:21 snowdrift86 wrote: lol, the massive hype for Bisu was all for naught. It's like the less he's seen, the wilder the predictions from his fans.
Yeah because throwing him against a team filled with terrans instead of a zerg is crazy right?
3 minutes in and the zerg looks already behind.
Bisu's PvZ has always been better than his PvT.
nah, for a while, jd's pvt was way better than his pvz
After a retarded episode with two firebats doing nothing, mind is pushing out, and suiciding some tanks for the lulz. I think hyuk has a pretty big advantage. Edit and just has I say that he suicides his troops and gets dropped at his third... Hyuuuuuukk...
However, I'm not sure that the coach is making a good decision- a loss in such a high pressure situation would just kill him... right after he found his zone...
On June 21 2010 19:43 Never.Say.GG wrote: However, I'm not sure that the coach is making a good decision- a loss in such a high pressure situation would just kill him... right after he found his zone...
Too bad it's not Baby. Granted, it's more likely they'd prepare an Ace match expecting him so throwing out Roro isn't a terrible idea. I'd still put my faith on Baby's shoulders though.
On June 21 2010 19:43 C[SCL] wrote: I think WeMade was expecting Best
Even still, Baby can hang with any toss in the game. Why RorO, who loses most of his Ace matches...
Thing is, Wemade has got a pretty deep line-up. Why force all the pressure on Baby and make another child-labour terran, when he's got support?
There is nothing wrong with your statement. And in a way, a loss here doesn't really damage FOX (well, it might affect some seeding, I'll need to check the standings). But sending RorO is like the 4th best choice for ace here. Anyway, I just hope I'm wrong.
On June 21 2010 19:43 C[SCL] wrote: I think WeMade was expecting Best
Even still, Baby can hang with any toss in the game. Why RorO, who loses most of his Ace matches...
Thing is, Wemade has got a pretty deep line-up. Why force all the pressure on Baby and make another child-labour terran, when he's got support?
Under a lot of situations I'd agree, but Wemade isn't exactly far ahead of other teams to be sitting pretty for the playoffs, so better to put your best foot forward in this case I would think.
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't they only in 6th by a little?
Man who's this Bisu guy, never heard of him before. It looks like he plays some sort of weird, aggressive harass based protoss. That style will never work.
On June 21 2010 19:58 TwoToneTerran wrote: Man who's this Bisu guy, never heard of him before. It looks like he plays some sort of weird, aggressive harass based protoss. That style will never work.
On June 21 2010 19:58 TwoToneTerran wrote: Man who's this Bisu guy, never heard of him before. It looks like he plays some sort of weird, aggressive harass based protoss. That style will never work.
On June 21 2010 19:58 TwoToneTerran wrote: Man who's this Bisu guy, never heard of him before. It looks like he plays some sort of weird, aggressive harass based protoss. That style will never work.
bisu build it will be soon called
that's just silly!
Sairs and DTs, come on, that'll never get its own name
Yay im really happy for Bisu now, i was an anti-fan for like a year, but when he started doing bad i felt sorry for him and turned into a fan ^_^ That was a nice, well-deserved win, gg bisu!
On June 21 2010 20:01 Redshirt wrote: What the fuck Roro how can you be this bad. The corsair threat is over like 5 minutes ago and you've built over 9000 scourge.
It is for the purpose of sniping scourge to keep your lurkers alive I think.
Roro is so mediocre that he is the definition of mediocre. He's not good at Stacraft, he has zero flair, he's doesn't even have a cool personality to follow like Firebathero.
lol... wasn't able to finish the game thru kentor's (but thanks man for the stream) but i'm so glad that bisu won! can't wait for the interview translation... thanks in advance to whoever would translate that
Well that was fun. Nice to see Bisu winning again. Or to be more exact, it's nice to see something unexpected happen that isn't another retarded upset.
It could have gone the other way if the ace match had been Baby versus Fantasy, I think.
On June 21 2010 20:01 Redshirt wrote: What the fuck Roro how can you be this bad. The corsair threat is over like 5 minutes ago and you've built over 9000 scourge.
It is for the purpose of sniping scourge to keep your lurkers alive I think.
On June 21 2010 20:04 okum wrote: The king is back!
We'll see about that when he plays Mind. :X
haha ever since the MSL finals, he's been raping Mind.
The battle of the two players who "are slumping but seem to have some sign of resurgence."
Even though Bisu has beat Mind after the MSL, I'm still interested in seeing whether he's got his PvT again. He may seem to have his PvZ back, but this, to me, will be more interesting because Roro can have his fail moments at times (not to take away from Bisu's victory.) and I want to see if Bisu is truly back by seeing a better all-around performance. ;]
On June 21 2010 20:04 okum wrote: The king is back!
We'll see about that when he plays Mind. :X
haha ever since the MSL finals, he's been raping Mind.
The battle of the two players who "are slumping but seem to have some sign of resurgence."
Even though Bisu has beat Mind after the MSL, I'm still interested in seeing whether he's got his PvT again. He may seem to have his PvZ back, but this, to me, will be more interesting because Roro can have his fail moments at times (not to take away from Bisu's victory.) and I want to see if Bisu is truly back by seeing a better all-around performance. ;]
lol? watch his game in the prelims against skyhigh, it was beautiful^^
im so glad bisu has won in such an important game. after the game he had such a broad smile on his face. u could literally see all the relief in his eyes, all the weight of the slump falling off his shoulders.
oh, and ofc im very happy for skt to have won the match. very important to keep wemade behind us. and if stx keeps failing at this rate, we might still have a shot at the #2 spot...
All the protoss(except Kal the fail) and the entire normal lineup of SKT(Fanta, Best, Bisu) and Khan(Jangbi, Great, Stork, no firebathero) won today. Epic. Taekbang shall rise again.
excluding the ZvZ from the other match, zergs went 0-6 today, including 4 losses in ZvP. Say whaaaaaaat
Not that surprising when the zergs being played at either slumping hardcore or are pretty much the bottom of the barrel anyway.
Hyuk, s2, Shine, roro aren't slumping. Last 10 games: Shine 6-4 roro 7-3 Hyuk 6-4 s2 8-2 And this is when all these players life-time stats are less than 50% wins.
On June 21 2010 20:04 okum wrote: The king is back!
We'll see about that when he plays Mind. :X
haha ever since the MSL finals, he's been raping Mind.
The battle of the two players who "are slumping but seem to have some sign of resurgence."
Even though Bisu has beat Mind after the MSL, I'm still interested in seeing whether he's got his PvT again. He may seem to have his PvZ back, but this, to me, will be more interesting because Roro can have his fail moments at times (not to take away from Bisu's victory.) and I want to see if Bisu is truly back by seeing a better all-around performance. ;]
lol? watch his game in the prelims against skyhigh, it was beautiful^^
im so glad bisu has won in such an important game. after the game he had such a broad smile on his face. u could literally see all the relief in his eyes, all the weight of the slump falling off his shoulders.
oh, and ofc im very happy for skt to have won the match. very important to keep wemade behind us. and if stx keeps failing at this rate, we might still have a shot at the #2 spot...
TvP is Skyhigh's weakest matchup though. He has lost almost all of his matches against protoss in recent history.
Usually one off wins never really signalled a revival to me, considering how volatile progamers can be in their consistency, but this was basically classic Bisu. The sairdt works, the intelligent harass, the tech snipes, and even little micro tricks that speak of his formerly great multitask. Most notably was when he was attacking Roro's fourth with six or so zealots, Roro only had afew lurkers to defend before the hydras got there and Bisu eeked out every bit of usefullness to barely snipe the hatch with 2 zealots at under 20 hp left by the time it died, and only did so because he was dodging spines while hitting the hatch. This was absolutely clutch as he was instantly contained and wasn't getting a shuttle for awhile because of his need of obs. If he hadn't nailed that one move then the game would've been a lot different.
The only thing I think he could work on are his storms. They were good for the most part but if I had to pick one particular weakpoint of his this game it was a few missed/mediocre storms. Other than that, very well done.
On June 21 2010 20:32 TwoToneTerran wrote: Usually one off wins never really signalled a revival to me, considering how volatile progamers can be in their consistency, but this was basically classic Bisu. The sairdt works, the intelligent harass, the tech snipes, and even little micro tricks that speak of his formerly great multitask. Most notably was when he was attacking Roro's fourth with six or so zealots, Roro only had afew lurkers to defend before the hydras got there and Bisu eeked out every bit of usefullness to barely snipe the hatch with 2 zealots at under 20 hp left by the time it died, and only did so because he was dodging spines while hitting the hatch. This was absolutely clutch as he was instantly contained and wasn't getting a shuttle for awhile because of his need of obs. If he hadn't nailed that one move then the game would've been a lot different.
The only thing I think he could work on are his storms. They were good for the most part but if I had to pick one particular weakpoint of his this game it was a few missed/mediocre storms. Other than that, very well done.
I agree, he didn't only win but his play was SOLID.
On June 21 2010 20:24 disciple wrote: I hope HotBid adjusts the trade value of Bisu to 72 so no one from all 650 people, who have him on their Anti-Team, could trade Bisu away
YEA BISU! About time. Even though it was just Roro, you are in MUCH better form than you were a month ago. Hope you keep improving and get your S class game back. BISU FIGHTING!
Hahaha, in the last week, I went from 1500+ ranking in FPL to rank 84 as of today. Khan and SKT1 forever! Bisu and Stork Fighting! Didn't change a thing, my faith has been rewarded.
I think they wanted to snipe Fantasy or Best, idk which, while SKT wanted to have Bisu snipe Baby.
Please don't refer to this as sniping. A sniper is an unexpected ace with a special build/strategy for a specific player (e.g., Snow vs Flash). Neither Roro nor Bisu fit that definition.
This was such a bad day for Zergs -- 0-7 with two Terran cheeses to boot (Fantasy's 2 fac being extremely abusive).
I think they wanted to snipe Fantasy or Best, idk which, while SKT wanted to have Bisu snipe Baby.
Please don't refer to this as sniping. A sniper is an unexpected ace with a special build/strategy for a specific player. Neither Roro nor Bisu fit that definition.
Perhaps he just couldn't use that special strategy because the wrong ace came out. Unless my definition of a sniper is off, that seems likely. Although considering how badly Best owned Baby and the fact that Bisu is probably better than Best in any matchup, it's fairly likely that Bisu would've beaten anyone who WeMade sent out, or at least put up a really good fight.
I think they wanted to snipe Fantasy or Best, idk which, while SKT wanted to have Bisu snipe Baby.
Please don't refer to this as sniping. A sniper is an unexpected ace with a special build/strategy for a specific player. Neither Roro nor Bisu fit that definition.
Perhaps he just couldn't use that special strategy because the wrong ace came out. Unless my definition of a sniper is off, that seems likely. Although considering how badly Best owned Baby and the fact that Bisu is probably better than Best in any matchup, it's fairly likely that Bisu would've beaten anyone who WeMade sent out, or at least put up a really good fight.
Roro isn't unexpected, he's Wemade's main ace player! As for Bisu, though he hasn't been sent out recently, he's still a mainline player and can't really be considered a sniper either.
An example of a failed sniping attempt in an ace game is Hoejja sent out vs Khan to beat one of their Protoss and facing great instead.
I think they wanted to snipe Fantasy or Best, idk which, while SKT wanted to have Bisu snipe Baby.
Please don't refer to this as sniping. A sniper is an unexpected ace with a special build/strategy for a specific player. Neither Roro nor Bisu fit that definition.
Perhaps he just couldn't use that special strategy because the wrong ace came out. Unless my definition of a sniper is off, that seems likely. Although considering how badly Best owned Baby and the fact that Bisu is probably better than Best in any matchup, it's fairly likely that Bisu would've beaten anyone who WeMade sent out, or at least put up a really good fight.
Roro isn't unexpected, he's Wemade's main ace player! As for Bisu, though he hasn't been sent out recently, he's still a mainline player and can't really be considered a sniper either.
An example of a failed sniping attempt in an ace game is Hoejja sent out vs Khan to beat one of their Protoss and facing great instead.
Ah. That makes sense. Though I don't see why they would think that Roro is the best choice for ace. Then again, WeMade has nothing to counter good protoss(their zerg kinda suck, and just about all their terrans suck vP).
I think they wanted to snipe Fantasy or Best, idk which, while SKT wanted to have Bisu snipe Baby.
Please don't refer to this as sniping. A sniper is an unexpected ace with a special build/strategy for a specific player. Neither Roro nor Bisu fit that definition.
Perhaps he just couldn't use that special strategy because the wrong ace came out. Unless my definition of a sniper is off, that seems likely. Although considering how badly Best owned Baby and the fact that Bisu is probably better than Best in any matchup, it's fairly likely that Bisu would've beaten anyone who WeMade sent out, or at least put up a really good fight.
Roro isn't unexpected, he's Wemade's main ace player! As for Bisu, though he hasn't been sent out recently, he's still a mainline player and can't really be considered a sniper either.
An example of a failed sniping attempt in an ace game is Hoejja sent out vs Khan to beat one of their Protoss and facing great instead.
Ah. That makes sense. Though I don't see why they would think that Roro is the best choice for ace. Then again, WeMade has nothing to counter good protoss(their zerg kinda suck, and just about all their terrans suck vP).
Shine has taken games off of so many good protoss with very hated mutas and hydra strategies.
I think they wanted to snipe Fantasy or Best, idk which, while SKT wanted to have Bisu snipe Baby.
Please don't refer to this as sniping. A sniper is an unexpected ace with a special build/strategy for a specific player. Neither Roro nor Bisu fit that definition.
Perhaps he just couldn't use that special strategy because the wrong ace came out. Unless my definition of a sniper is off, that seems likely. Although considering how badly Best owned Baby and the fact that Bisu is probably better than Best in any matchup, it's fairly likely that Bisu would've beaten anyone who WeMade sent out, or at least put up a really good fight.
Roro isn't unexpected, he's Wemade's main ace player! As for Bisu, though he hasn't been sent out recently, he's still a mainline player and can't really be considered a sniper either.
An example of a failed sniping attempt in an ace game is Hoejja sent out vs Khan to beat one of their Protoss and facing great instead.
Ah. That makes sense. Though I don't see why they would think that Roro is the best choice for ace. Then again, WeMade has nothing to counter good protoss(their zerg kinda suck, and just about all their terrans suck vP).
Shine has taken games off of so many good protoss with very hated mutas and hydra strategies.
Right after Shine was raped by BEST? We are talking about Best here, whose PvZ was never superb even during his peak.
And Shine's ZvT is hardly appropriate to deal with Fantasy.
Nonetheless, WeMade does have a track record of sending Roro out for ACE regardless of the opponent. I guess Roro is really good in practice...
Bisu v.s. Baby would have been fun. IF Bisu wins. I have to admit that I am not quite confident that Bisu is ready to take on Baby.
I'm really glad that Bisu won again. I've always been a huge Bisu fan.
However, I must say his control at times felt a bit off. I feel like he's still not quite his confident self, and sometimes he seems to hesitate or overcommit to attacks unnecessarily (like trying to kill the Overlord with the corsair despite seeing scourge, and going forward with the shuttle drop without dropping in the nat or trying to retreat).
I'm no expert player by any means, Bisu just didn't seem very... Bisu in his match against Roro.
I hope he slowly regains his momentum though. I'd love to see Bisu dominate again, and I'd love even more to see him win an OSL if that were possible.
To be fair, there was nothing to do about the shuttle and scrouge. They were just well positioned, and the slow shuttle wouldve been murdered on the way back as well, might just try to drop in the main if its all the same.
On June 22 2010 12:01 night terrors wrote: To be fair, there was nothing to do about the shuttle and scrouge. They were just well positioned, and the slow shuttle wouldve been murdered on the way back as well, might just try to drop in the main if its all the same.
The first corsair could have run away as corsairs and scourge have the same speed. Bisu made the decision to try and snipe the overlord instead of running the corsair away, and I question that decision as the first corsair is often considered to be the most important for Protoss.
On June 22 2010 12:01 night terrors wrote: To be fair, there was nothing to do about the shuttle and scrouge. They were just well positioned, and the slow shuttle wouldve been murdered on the way back as well, might just try to drop in the main if its all the same.
The first corsair could have run away as corsairs and scourge have the same speed. Bisu made the decision to try and snipe the overlord instead of running the corsair away, and I question that decision as the first corsair is often considered to be the most important for Protoss.
I questioned that as well. If I didn't know the results of the game before I watched it, I would have turned if off at that point and been depressed for the rest of the day thinking Bisu got owned.
But after thinking about it, it could have been considered mind games. After you lose first corsair, most toss don't continue to pump a hell lot more like Bisu did and Roro knows that. It could explain his lack of anti air in anticipation for mass corsair.
just watched the VOD. how is bisu back? he played horrible in the beginning. lost 1st corair, 3zealots and he wouldnt have stopped a zerling runby, if roro had some balls.
On June 22 2010 22:53 SkytoM wrote: just watched the VOD. how is bisu back? he played horrible in the beginning. lost 1st corair, 3zealots and he wouldnt have stopped a zerling runby, if roro had some balls.
He lost 3 zealots, but forced Roro to make a whole lot more Zerglings, instead of droning. He even got a drone kill, which was all meant to unsettle Roro, and forced Roro to play the pace that Bisu wanted.
The Zergling runby would not have done much regardless. With only that many Zerglings, he wouldn't have been able to bypass the 2 cannons and dragoon without taking at least half of those zerglings. Add a probe block on the ramp, and it's a waste of units.
The 1st corsair was poor control though. His control in the lurker contain, as well as overlord hunting was excellent, and his zealot micro in taking out that hatch was great. Overall, a very very solid game from Bisu.
No one who watched that can claim he was perfect in the early game. The last early-game zealot he lost was a completely unnecessary sacrifice, though the first few did indeed force lings. I'm just so happy he was doing so well in the mid-late game
On June 22 2010 22:53 SkytoM wrote: just watched the VOD. how is bisu back? he played horrible in the beginning. lost 1st corair, 3zealots and he wouldnt have stopped a zerling runby, if roro had some balls.
As someone pointed out above, the first corsair was really the only thing that was worth worrying about. But it's a small mistake, he's made those when he was a lot stronger(vs Jaedong game 5 at GOM, forgetting to hold position a zealot, losing a shuttle and 2 reavers against Jangbi, losing the game for it in MSL finals). But the fact that he's mentally better should mean that he's gonna do better in the future.