Assembled netizens of Team Liquid, for tonight's show we bring to you four contestants, who will be vying for two seats in the Round of 16. First up I present to you the Tyrant, defending champion of the MSL...
Enough has been said both about this man's prowess and about his recent "slump." Even with his recent injury, Jaedong was still fit enough to trounce Mr. Anderson Silva in the UFC Championship. The real question tonight is: will Jaedong be able to get his revenge on BaBy? Can he avoid getting Hyuked? Will theSkiing Watermelon take him down?
"Revenge is the name of the game tonight.
Without further ado, let's bring in our next contender! Recently upsetting Jaedong in the OSL Ro32 and making another astounding upset recently, a grown-up BaBy is here to challenge the Tyrant! Having taken him down not once, but twice, in a convincing fashion, will BaBy be able to repeat? I'm still pulling for Jaedong, but lets give a warm welcome to...
Don't let those last 10 games fool you. BaBy has had some very impressive wins recently, and is looking for more. As the dual leaguer this time around, he's got some pretty big hopes. Can he nab gold? Will BaBy be able to walk the Royal Road? If he wants to, first he has to get past the Tyrant, and things are definitely looking good for BaBy. While he's 2-3 head-to-head with Jaedong, he's taken the most recent two games. However, BaBy better bring his S(class-upsetting)-game or else risk having his shooting star shot down by the Legend Killer.
"Mom, dad, when I win this tournament, will you buy me a car?"
On the other half of the arena, we have two more challengers vying for a seat to the Ro16. In the left corner, possessing a mean left cross and some mean mutalisk micro, please welcome...
Cough, ahem. Sorry about that. Throat went a bit funny right there. Anywho... Team: SK Telecom T1 Last 10 games: 5-5
Hyuk has made ripples in the pro scene before, most notably for his clashes with Jaedong, where he is 2-2 with the beast, winning their two most recent fights. While his other match ups may be less-than-par, his ZvZ shouldn't be messed with! In a pre-match interview, Hyuk said he found himself very happy to be in a group with 3 zergs, since that'd give him a huge chance to abuse the Hyuk effect to the fullest... hyuk hyuk hyuk hyuk hyuk cough cough. Sorry again. Will Hyuk be able to Hyuk (I love this verb!) his way to the Round of 16? Or will he be taken out faster than it takes for me to go grab a drink of water... hyuk... hyuk...
"Hyuk hyuk hyuk hyuk hyuk..."
While Jaedong and BaBy face off tonight, Hyuk gets to fight a legendary opponent! Sadly however, the legend today consists less and less about the man's Starcraft skill, but more and more about his odd... choice of green clothing. Ladies and gents, let's give a thunderous round of applause to...
Park "No I'm not Seedless" Sung Joon, better known to you as JulyZerg!
July's accomplishments stretch back a long time, and he's been nabbing gold since 2003. Tushin pioneered the modern mutalisk micro, and zerg mutalisks have been tearing up the sky ever since. However, July has not been performing recently like the champion he once was. Will this trailblazer be able to make a comeback? Or is he next in the line to get Hyuked? Rest assured, this is one watermelon you won't want to mess with.
"Time for this watermelon to make a comeback, one slice at a time."
Jaedong's looking for revenge against BaBy for knocking him out of the OSL, and given the Tyrant's track record I'll put him up for winning that. Hyuk versus July, sadly, we're going to give to the Hyukster both since that's what Hyuk does, and July is nowhere near his old level of play. In the winner's round, although Hyuk is super effective against Jaedong, as long as the Dong doesn't decide to 12pool he should be fine. Once again, July is set to lose, since BaBy's TvZ is nothing to be laughed at. With that SaiD, I'll give BaBy the advantage over Hyuk in the final match.
Of course, this group I feel is the most likely for upsets. Jaedong has been "slumping," BaBy is hitting his potential, July is, well, July, and ZvZs may get Hyuked.
Well-played by the winner. However, I feel as if the loser didn't make quite the right overall decisions... Decent game to watch though, though not too much 'excitement.'
By the way, I love the new trend of extended intros in all the recent OPs, but when the thread is over I think it'd be nice if the intro stuff could be spoilered to allow quicker access to the results? Just being nitpicky but sometimes I browse on my iTouch and it's a bit annoying .
On April 01 2010 13:49 XeliN wrote: Flame it's really impressive the ammount of things you are involved with and post productively on here, you should try to write a book
^^I'll leave that for when I finish high school... or when I become bored with the last few months...
On April 01 2010 13:49 motbob wrote: resize that recommended games banner, man
Oops, mah bad. What's wrong with it?
Oh is it just smaller than the rest? Curses auto-size!
The yellow border just looks really bad. I wish there were some other way that TL told people that images were being resized. Then again, it gets me to shrink whatever images I'm putting in the thread immediately
Heh... nice banner. This night promises to be a good one. We get to see JD crush, and maybe if we're lucky July can take home a game. I'm expecting JD and Baby for this one...
I'm weak, going to bed and gonna miss the matches D: Gonna be: Jaedong > Baby HyuK > July Jaedong < HyuK Baby > July Baby < Jaedong HyuK 2-0 JD 2-1 But ofc if JD beats HyuK then it'll be JD 2-0 Baby 2-1
Oh yea, isn't Jaedon in the hospital? Or maybe he got out? Man, I hope he's not weak and sickly. If he loses because of this enteritis bullshit I'm going to be so sad.
On April 01 2010 17:06 Roffles wrote: The fuck? There's an arbiter.
Yeah, it's a neutral arbiter to cloak the eggs. I think the commentators said that if you're protoss you can mind control it, which may possibly come in handy if you're implementing Dark Archons for Maelstrom in PvZ, since the MC cost is lower than arbiter tribunal and Arbiter combined. But then again, it would only provide a cloaking field, so I don't know, zergs usually brings ovies to snipe observers anyway...
Jaedong about to take 9 oclock main. Baby's got a wraith over there though so he knows of the expo. Tank is out for Baby. JD morphing a couple lurkers in the middle of the map.
Hydra lurk... interesting... Solid defense from Jaedong, BaBy's wraiths don't do too much damage. Ouch as I say that an overlord dies. 8:30 is finished for Jaedong, and he's going to start saturating it. I heard overlord loading sounds! Jaedong moving for BaBy!
Jaedong with 6 and 9 up now, teching up to Hive and killing the lurker eggs at his main. Baby going around with wraiths trying to kill shit while playing massive tank defense in his main.
Hive going for Jaedong, Queen's nest going as well. Ouch that's quite a few overlords now? Jaedong taking 6 as well. I love watching zerg stuff morph in BW. The thing inside zerg buildings in SC2 just... weirds me out. Wraiths have found 9, but there are hydralisks there to defend. Using some nice micro, BaBy snipes a few drones without losing a wraith.
Wraiths fly to 6, kill a drone, but hydras arrive to chase them away.
Defiler mound for Jaedong... Baby taking 1. Another evo chamber going up... Baby starting to move tanks forward. Those cloaked wraiths are really annoying...
I think I understand what both players are doing, but I have no idea who is ahead. I'm assuming it's Baby because I don't know how Jaedong can stop a that-many-bases Terran mech push.
On April 01 2010 17:17 Mystlord wrote: Triple evo chambers for the dong.
No Mutas for the dong either even though Baby has NO GOLIATHS AND NO ANTIAIR OTHER THAN WRAITHS
I just realized that... why no mutas... Vultures try to get into Jaedong's nat but are driven away by lurkers. They content themselves to killing two isolated lurkers burrowed outside BaBy's base.
Scouting barracks gets sniped. Baby moving out... that's a lot of tanks... Jaedong's drop is going! Heart pounding... OH SHIT HE SCOUTS THE DROP STAR SENSE
CC lifted at 1:30, but not too much damage due to nice reaction by Baby. Wraiths trying to hit Ovies now...
Battle going off outside of inner 1:30, with swarms and lurkers and hydras against tanks and vults. However, BaBy holds. He's dropping! 3:00 dropped! Only one hydra there! Oh more arrive. Drop cleaned up.
Science vessels scouted. Plague goes off on 5 tanks! But BaBy just retreats his army from the swarms... Jaedong with very few drones mining at his main. Hey cute, two Goliaths finally for Baby. Hero lurker and hydra kill like 4 tanks...
JD needs to exchange units more efficiently since Terran has so many bases, but I don't think lurkers are the way to do it. Although permanent swarm is a great way to defend chokes.
T_T Dong. Overlords getting sacked for nothing. FINALLY MUTALISK! Takes out a few tanks and vessels that were plagued... Aw it died. MAKE MORE MUTA PLEASE
Baby still has like 5 goliaths in his army and Jaedong has been on 4 gas for at least the last 10 minutes. It's frustrating to watch him skip the free win.
3:00 dropped again. Two tanks. No defense there right now. DRONES ATTACKING TANKS YEAH 9 finally going down. Vultures circling the hatchery. Not good for JD... LOL BaBy mines the hatch. Mine goes off, killing larva. And vults.
I would never want to play on this map on icc. Atleast on destination it was a challenge to hold 3 bases with gas. Here you get 4 bases with gas free for mech :/
less ultras, more defilerz and lings. Plauged tanks and gols are easy pray to mutaling. you do needs hands of lighting though to pull something like that off.
Big hydra army catches a lot o tanks out of siege mode and does some nice damage while they retreat, but once they get back to a secure position and siege Jaedong's army starts looking pretty thin.
Great game by Baby. I take back my previous statement about his wraith play, it was perfect combined with his transition to mech (tanks).
If Baby knocks JD out of both leagues they should do an OGN Revenge match. Maybe a rivalry in the making?
edit: I don't know why he made so many ultras. When they first popped out he lost 6 immediately to tanks. Should have made wayyy more cracklings imo, mutas might have been cool too.
On April 01 2010 17:35 Severedevil wrote: Five base Terran is the strongest race.
Fortunately it's only an option on Great Barrier Reef and Triathlon.
Each starleague is giving out free wins, fucking brilliant!
Baby nonetheless played really well. Those wraiths did nothing, but once he moved out he was all over the place. Hell, he was dropping more than JD was.
Also, JD had to Kwanro it up midgame with ultras...
1. Baby is finally on his way to become a huge incredible fucking monster. His play is gorgeous and scary
2 What is wrong with mapmakers/ mapselection right now? Is this map serious? That is basically 4 bases for terran for free, 3 with gas (but one with a smaller geysir I believe, still). I really cannot believe this map, it seems just wrong. This will be a Zerg graveyard.
On April 01 2010 17:34 sAAvior wrote: Too many mediocre Terrans beating good Zergs recently... Shitty maps are imo to blame.
I agree 100 %
I don't see how that map is imbalanced but alright lol
Jaedong looks pretty good in his booth though, doesn't look sickly or uncomfortable to me. Still though, he must have lost a lot of valuable practice time. Not that that's an excuse..
On April 01 2010 17:34 sAAvior wrote: Too many mediocre Terrans beating good Zergs recently... Shitty maps are imo to blame.
BABY ISN'T MEDIOCRE
If he was mediocre he wouldn't be 3-0 against Jaedong recently and he wouldn't have beaten Stork in the OSL he's really good arghhhh
He's gonna crash and burn, like every mediocre players that beat some S-class (Shine).
oh god what
BaBy is nothing like Shine. Shine is a gimmicky all-in player, easy to figure out. BaBy has sick macro, good multitask, and is genuinely creative.
Perfect muta micro will get you wins for a while. Shine sucks now because he is a gimmick that has been figured out. BaBy is a good player, not a gimmick.
Meh, while the map sucks ass, can't blame it all on that. JD didn't make the best choices, and BaBy did play excellently. While he's going to probably 'be the next big thing in pro SCBW' I'm still going to root for my (now considered old?...hmm...) favourites until they fade out...
On April 01 2010 17:34 disciple wrote: ftw guys, seriously, give at least some credit to Baby, he played a great game.
Credit where credit is due, but I think the wraith to mech juke helped him a lot since Jeadong had opted to go for a lurker opening, and got a decent amount of lurkers that weren't THAT effective, so I feel like he ended up with less units overall, and then there was hive tech play. I'm not sure how you can deal with 5 base mech, but when you're kinda low on resources, it's a bit suboptimal imo.
Guys. Please stop blaming maps. JD was the Tyrant who could even win ZvZ's when he had severe BO disadvantages; that's supposed to be IMPOSSIBLE. Flash wins regardless of what map he's on, people scream imba all the time.
If you're the best, you don't lose to bad maps, you make the bad maps your bitch and use it as a freaking whip during your winner's interview, to explain how you really are the shit and your opponent is shit.
On April 01 2010 17:34 sAAvior wrote: Too many mediocre Terrans beating good Zergs recently... Shitty maps are imo to blame.
BABY ISN'T MEDIOCRE
If he was mediocre he wouldn't be 3-0 against Jaedong recently and he wouldn't have beaten Stork in the OSL he's really good arghhhh
He's gonna crash and burn, like every mediocre players that beat some S-class (Shine).
1: Shine didn't show potential before that (hmm think when baby outplayed Jangbi in GOM only to get knocked out by Iris in the ro16 who went 3-1 vs Flash in the FINALS 2: He isnt a one trick pony either (He beat Really before the rising eStro terran fell back to mediocoreness and stork in the OSL, he has proved all his matchups as of lately, while shine only had ZvP where he shined (pun pun)
On April 01 2010 17:34 sAAvior wrote: Too many mediocre Terrans beating good Zergs recently... Shitty maps are imo to blame.
BABY ISN'T MEDIOCRE
If he was mediocre he wouldn't be 3-0 against Jaedong recently and he wouldn't have beaten Stork in the OSL he's really good arghhhh
He's gonna crash and burn, like every mediocre players that beat some S-class (Shine).
oh god what
BaBy is nothing like Shine. Shine is a gimmicky all-in player, easy to figure out. BaBy has sick macro, good multitask, and is genuinely creative.
Perfect muta micro will get you wins for a while. Shine sucks now because he is a gimmick that has been figured out. BaBy is a good player, not a gimmick.
Actually if you paid any attention to Baby the past year and half all he has done was be a really bad gimmicky terran(except at TvT where he was decent). He was Leta 0.5. He only stepped up his play up this season with improved build orders and mechanics.
On April 01 2010 17:40 Wings wrote: If you're the best, you don't lose to bad maps, you make the bad maps your bitch and use it as a freaking whip during your winner's interview, to explain how you really are the shit and your opponent is shit.
Incorrect, 100% of bisu's losses are due to map imbalance. Also not enough dye in his hair.
I seriously hope it was the enteritis, jaedong. Jaedong seems to be getting worse each game I see him play. I really hope he doesnt fall like bisu did T.T
On April 01 2010 17:34 sAAvior wrote: Too many mediocre Terrans beating good Zergs recently... Shitty maps are imo to blame.
BABY ISN'T MEDIOCRE
If he was mediocre he wouldn't be 3-0 against Jaedong recently and he wouldn't have beaten Stork in the OSL he's really good arghhhh
He's gonna crash and burn, like every mediocre players that beat some S-class (Shine).
oh god what
BaBy is nothing like Shine. Shine is a gimmicky all-in player, easy to figure out. BaBy has sick macro, good multitask, and is genuinely creative.
Perfect muta micro will get you wins for a while. Shine sucks now because he is a gimmick that has been figured out. BaBy is a good player, not a gimmick.
Actually if you paid any attention to Baby the past year and half all he has done was be a really bad gimmicky terran(except at TvT where he was decent). He was Leta 0.5. He only stepped up his play up this season with improved build orders and mechanics.
Right. And now he's stepped up his game and shown that he can win against great players straight up.
I wouldn't even describe Leta as mediocre. He might be a bit gimmicky, but he can beat the best straight-up consistently. I don't think BaBy is the next big thing or that he'll even be a SL champion, but calling him mediocre is just ridiculous when you see the caliber of wins he gets.
On April 01 2010 17:41 flamewheel91 wrote: Did anybody else's stream freeze? I'm looking at a picture of a flag being waved in front of the screen or somethign like that...
Yes, the stream has frozen. They are trying to get it back up since the stream crashed
And here the thread devolves into a bunch of map imba and "who sucks and who doesn't" comments. Meh, going to take a short break to get away for a bit. Would nap, but probably wouldn't wake up.
On April 01 2010 17:34 sAAvior wrote: Too many mediocre Terrans beating good Zergs recently... Shitty maps are imo to blame.
BABY ISN'T MEDIOCRE
If he was mediocre he wouldn't be 3-0 against Jaedong recently and he wouldn't have beaten Stork in the OSL he's really good arghhhh
He's gonna crash and burn, like every mediocre players that beat some S-class (Shine).
oh god what
BaBy is nothing like Shine. Shine is a gimmicky all-in player, easy to figure out. BaBy has sick macro, good multitask, and is genuinely creative.
Perfect muta micro will get you wins for a while. Shine sucks now because he is a gimmick that has been figured out. BaBy is a good player, not a gimmick.
Actually if you paid any attention to Baby the past year and half all he has done was be a really bad gimmicky terran(except at TvT where he was decent). He was Leta 0.5. He only stepped up his play up this season with improved build orders and mechanics.
Right. And now he's stepped up his game and shown that he can win against great players straight up.
I wouldn't even describe Leta as mediocre. He might be a bit gimmicky, but he can beat the best straight-up consistently. I don't think BaBy is the next big thing or that he'll even be a SL champion, but calling him mediocre is just ridiculous when you see the caliber of wins he gets.
Nobody remembers GomTV (where baby shined first). But yeah, he's been pretty cheesy since that. Oh and baby for PR! :D
On April 01 2010 17:40 LosingID8 wrote: commentators were saying that before the match jaedong said he thought the map was decent for zerg
This. People see one game on the map and are already talking about how it's shitty and imba. OK.
What? I said the map was imbalanced as soon as I saw it (when Konadora posted it). I said it would be imbalanced for the reason we saw it be imbalanced right here: five base Terran mech is unbeatable.
On April 01 2010 17:40 Wings wrote: Guys. Please stop blaming maps. JD was the Tyrant who could even win ZvZ's when he had severe BO disadvantages; that's supposed to be IMPOSSIBLE. Flash wins regardless of what map he's on, people scream imba all the time.
If you're the best, you don't lose to bad maps, you make the bad maps your bitch and use it as a freaking whip during your winner's interview, to explain how you really are the shit and your opponent is shit.
Flash didn't win on Battle Royal. He lost to Oversky.
I believe JDs main fault was to go for the early hydra/lurk drop, which he couldn't execute, because wraiths don't like Overlords. By that time he had total map control, investing those minerals into mutatech instead of ground unit upgrades and drop, Baby could not have moved out until JD had like 5-6 bases running.
Calling Baby gimmicky is like a joke to me. His multitasking seems insane and he has good decision-making. To me he is clearly on his way to the top.
On April 01 2010 17:40 LosingID8 wrote: commentators were saying that before the match jaedong said he thought the map was decent for zerg
This. People see one game on the map and are already talking about how it's shitty and imba. OK.
What? I said the map was imbalanced as soon as I saw it (when Konadora posted it). I said it would be imbalanced for the reason we saw it be imbalanced right here: five base Terran mech is unbeatable.
On April 01 2010 17:40 Wings wrote: Guys. Please stop blaming maps. JD was the Tyrant who could even win ZvZ's when he had severe BO disadvantages; that's supposed to be IMPOSSIBLE. Flash wins regardless of what map he's on, people scream imba all the time.
If you're the best, you don't lose to bad maps, you make the bad maps your bitch and use it as a freaking whip during your winner's interview, to explain how you really are the shit and your opponent is shit.
Flash didn't win on Battle Royal. He lost to Oversky.
That was one of the worst zvt ive seen by JD map is extremly good for zerg every expo has gas and he could win if he just switched to muta after he did his big drop where baby had like 20 tanks 20 vults
On April 01 2010 17:45 Malinor wrote: I believe JDs main fault was to go for the early hydra/lurk drop, which he couldn't execute, because wraiths don't lie Overlords. By that time he had total map control, investing those minerals into mutatech instead of ground unit upgrades and drop, Baby could not have moved out until JD had like 5-6 bases running.
Calling Baby gimmicky seems like a joke to me. His multitasking seems insane and he has good decision-making. To me he is clearly on his way to the top.
Well, next game now.
well to be fair everyone said the same thing about leta
leta is good though, not mediocre, just not as great as people thought he would be
Hyuk pulling drones to hold off July's 6 initial zerglings. Zerglings pounding away on the hatchery. Drones and lings just going back and forth for Hyuk. Lair going up for July, no lair for Hyuk yet. July's expo also about to warp in.
hyuk pulls 5 drones to help fend off zerglings. doesnt lose a single unit so is going to be ahead with a faster expo. hyuk didnt get gas though, so his lair is alot slower
On April 01 2010 17:45 Malinor wrote: I believe JDs main fault was to go for the early hydra/lurk drop, which he couldn't execute, because wraiths don't lie Overlords. By that time he had total map control, investing those minerals into mutatech instead of ground unit upgrades and drop, Baby could not have moved out until JD had like 5-6 bases running.
Calling Baby gimmicky seems like a joke to me. His multitasking seems insane and he has good decision-making. To me he is clearly on his way to the top.
Well, next game now.
well to be fair everyone said the same thing about leta
leta is good though, not mediocre, just not as great as people thought he would be
I see a difference there, Leta won a lot, but wasn't able to win too many straight up games against S-Class (interesting though, that of all people he was able to beat Flash straight up a couple of times). But I guess only time will tell us if Baby will become another Leta.
On April 01 2010 17:45 Malinor wrote: I believe JDs main fault was to go for the early hydra/lurk drop, which he couldn't execute, because wraiths don't lie Overlords. By that time he had total map control, investing those minerals into mutatech instead of ground unit upgrades and drop, Baby could not have moved out until JD had like 5-6 bases running.
Calling Baby gimmicky seems like a joke to me. His multitasking seems insane and he has good decision-making. To me he is clearly on his way to the top.
Well, next game now.
well to be fair everyone said the same thing about leta
leta is good though, not mediocre, just not as great as people thought he would be
I see a difference there, Leta won a lot, but wasn't able to win too many straight up games against S-Class (interesting though, that of all people he was able to beat Flash straight up a couple of times). But I guess only time will tell us if Baby will become another Leta.
On April 01 2010 17:45 Malinor wrote: I believe JDs main fault was to go for the early hydra/lurk drop, which he couldn't execute, because wraiths don't lie Overlords. By that time he had total map control, investing those minerals into mutatech instead of ground unit upgrades and drop, Baby could not have moved out until JD had like 5-6 bases running.
Calling Baby gimmicky seems like a joke to me. His multitasking seems insane and he has good decision-making. To me he is clearly on his way to the top.
Well, next game now.
well to be fair everyone said the same thing about leta
leta is good though, not mediocre, just not as great as people thought he would be
I see a difference there, Leta won a lot, but wasn't able to win too many straight up games against S-Class (interesting though, that of all people he was able to beat Flash straight up a couple of times). But I guess only time will tell us if Baby will become another Leta.
I never called this Baby this season gimmicky. I am just talking about his play generally in the previous 2 PL seasons where he was a mediocre terran who used gimmicky meh bos and had bad mechanics. He stepped it up this season and he is showing strong play.
The difference between Leta and most gimmicky players is that his execution was near flawless, thats why he won a lot of TvZs with gimmick builds. His TvT was always rock solid, and his TvP is okay although it used to be bad.
LOL July had better muta and scourge micro in that battle. If his rusty mechanics can beat Hyuk, I hope this'll drive the final nail in the coffin and put an end to any kind of Hyuk hype once and for all.
Wow, my liquibet is getting shat on tonight. BUT TUSHIN ^_^ Also, worry... Jaedong vs Hyuk hyuk hyuk. I really hope Jaedong doesn't drop this 2-0... But if he wins, he'll at least 2-1...
Sigh. There was a point during WL where we were all like OMG JD ZVZ??? And now it's... ZvT. Let's hope his ZvZ has recovered...
On April 01 2010 17:53 snowdrift86 wrote: LOL July had better muta and scourge micro in that battle. If his rusty mechanics can beat Hyuk, I hope this'll drive the final nail in the coffin and put an end to any Hyuk hype.
No. He is not rusty. STX just doesn't play him in televised games because the level of his play has gone down over all. Nevertheless, July always had great Muta/Scourge micro, - that and ZvZ can be fairly unstable, so this doesn't really say much about Hyuk's future.
On April 01 2010 17:54 FireGuyX wrote: July is like one of those old school players that still got it.
Not that old school but yea, pretty awesome that he's (obviously) still practicing hard and keeping up with the newer players. I'd think it might be hard to find motivation after getting a Golden Mouse O.O
On April 01 2010 17:54 FireGuyX wrote: July is like one of those old school players that still got it.
Not that old school but yea, pretty awesome that he's (obviously) still practicing hard and keeping up with the newer players. I'd think it might be hard to find motivation after getting a Golden Mouse O.O
On April 01 2010 17:54 FireGuyX wrote: July is like one of those old school players that still got it.
Not that old school but yea, pretty awesome that he's (obviously) still practicing hard and keeping up with the newer players. I'd think it might be hard to find motivation after getting a Golden Mouse O.O
You serious? The guy won an OSL in 04. That's 6 years ago he won a Starleague. Most of these newbies on the scene probably weren't even playing Starcraft back then.
On April 01 2010 17:58 Hinanawi wrote: MSL officials are currently in an emergency backroom meeting, debating whether or not to poison Hyuk before his next match.
On April 01 2010 17:53 snowdrift86 wrote: LOL July had better muta and scourge micro in that battle. If his rusty mechanics can beat Hyuk, I hope this'll drive the final nail in the coffin and put an end to any Hyuk hype.
No. He is not rusty. STX just doesn't play him in televised games because the level of his play has gone down over all. Nevertheless, July always had great Muta/Scourge micro, - that and ZvZ can be fairly unstable, so this doesn't really say much about Hyuk's future.
He's 27% in ZvZ since he won his Golden Mouse (thanks TLPD!). Muta and scourge micro has developed to a level far beyond what July created, and I'm pretty sure his mechanics aren't up to par most of the time.
I guess some hardcore practice for this match allowed him to pull through, as he only needed to prepare for this event, but it mostly goes to show that Hyuk doesn't have any special ZvZ talent -- it's simply his only decent matchup thanks to its volatility.
Baby scouts the just starting hatch.. Going to go for the bunker rush anyway. July NOT PULLING DRONES. Is the bunk outside of the hatch's visual range? That'd make me sad you know....
July probably going to bide his time for as long as possible until he gets enough lings...
Baby going mech again it seems, good map for it too
On April 01 2010 17:59 Roffles wrote:
You serious? The guy won an OSL in 04. That's 6 years ago he won a Starleague. Most of these newbies on the scene probably weren't even playing Starcraft back then.
Yeah I guess, I never think of him as an old school player though. But I think of Reach and Yellow as old school. Hm, I duno lol
GG, BaBy advances 2-0. Okay, Jaedong. PLEASE WIN. PLEASE. If you don't, then there's not much more point for me to watch the leagues... it just then turns into "who takes second..."
On April 01 2010 18:18 dekuschrub wrote: im so surprised july cancelled that hatch..
i mean COMON
It's HP was falling while morphing. It fell all the way below 200 and JUly didn't have the lings, it was the right choice.
exactly, his ling attack (for the bunker surround) wasnt ready in time, hatch would have been down regardless. there isn't much he could have done with the bo disadvantage.
I'm pretty sure that forward rax bunker rush doesnt force a cancel on a 12 pool expand. especially with only 1 scv to repair. I guess it depends if it was a 7 or 8 rax. Also depends if july got lair or speed first (I'm assuming lair) Even without speed he probly shouldve pulled drones or cancelled it immediately.
but i'm not expert so couldve been the right call.
On April 01 2010 18:17 Roffles wrote: I hope Baby gets paired against Flash and gets raped.
Sorry Roffles, looking at it BaBy won't play Flash until the Ro8. Because Flash will win his group. So it'll probably be BaBy vs Midas in the Ro16(if Midas' TvZ can hold up). Would be funny to see the two teammates play each other though.
Interesting micro trick for Jaedong. Leaves 4 lings attacking the natural hatch. Slips the rest into Hyuk's main. Doesn't get a drone though... Spire started for Hyuk.
Muta/scourge battle... Jaedong winning... Hyuk's lings get confused... Picked off by mutas and sunk... Hyuk cleans lings out of his main meanwhile... JD's mutas going out again...
Jaedong with mutalisk advantage. GG from Hyuk. THANK GOD JAEDONG THANK GOD JAEDONG Whew. Now hope July doesn't fatzerg him to death........ Seriously....
FML I hate it when you're trying to TLPD-ize one name, and the highlight slips and you end up TLPDizing the whole damn OP, with random-ass players like Just and Win and First getting in there...
Freaking annoying.
Well, okay Jaedong take down July. Watermelon is meant to be eaten..
Both 12pool 12gas 12hatch, on cross positions. This should probably take a while and go up to 3+ bases, since no one has an aggressive edge to exploit.
Except Jaedong has the edge that he knows how to control fewer than all his zerglings at once, so actually the match will probably end immediately.
July just doesn't have it anymore when it comes to ZvZ. Jaedong's lings are just pounding away at the nat hatch. July's nat falls. Looks like it's over.
Jaedong's lings tearing up the natural... Using the ramp to keep July contained so his zergling force can't get out... Hatchery down... Good Jaedong...
July GGs. While I'm very sad to see July lose (seeing him in Ro16 would be fucking epic)... Jaedong. Sigh. Had me scared... I'm still scared... At this rate Jaedong's going to be up against Stork in the Ro16...
Wow, great ling play from Jaedong. Looks like he might have gotten his ZvZ under control again, being on a 6 game win streak when not too long ago it seemed like a complete coin-flip if he won or lost, no matter who he played against.
On April 01 2010 18:55 flamewheel91 wrote: July GGs. While I'm very sad to see July lose (seeing him in Ro16 would be fucking epic)... Jaedong. Sigh. Had me scared... I'm still scared... At this rate Jaedong's going to be up against Stork in the Ro16...
It's OK for Stork to die early in the MSL since he's going to win the OSL, but I'd prefer them to each school some more noobs first.
On April 01 2010 18:57 disciple wrote: good, JD out would've been a huge blow for the tournament. He is nowhere near his top form but hopefully he will get there again
Yeah, MSL would definitely not be getting a sponsor then... negotiations would cease haha.
On April 01 2010 18:59 J1.au wrote: Still not convinced about Baby. He needs to beat good players in a Bo3.
Yeah, like Jaedong or someone... wait.
Jaedong is hardly in top condition right now. I was thinking more along the lines of players like Kal, Calm or Zero. Players with more experience players than Baby.
On April 01 2010 18:59 J1.au wrote: Still not convinced about Baby. He needs to beat good players in a Bo3.
Yeah, like Jaedong or someone... wait.
Jaedong is hardly in top condition right now. I was thinking more along the lines of players like Kal, Calm or Zero. Players with more experience players than Baby.
On April 01 2010 18:59 J1.au wrote: Still not convinced about Baby. He needs to beat good players in a Bo3.
Yeah, like Jaedong or someone... wait.
Jaedong is hardly in top condition right now. I was thinking more along the lines of players like Kal, Calm or Zero. Players with more experience players than Baby.
Jaedong in mediocre condition is still what.. the best zerg in the world? Yea..
On April 01 2010 18:59 J1.au wrote: Still not convinced about Baby. He needs to beat good players in a Bo3.
Yeah, like Jaedong or someone... wait.
Jaedong is hardly in top condition right now. I was thinking more along the lines of players like Kal, Calm or Zero. Players with more experience players than Baby.
Jaedong in mediocre condition is still what.. the best zerg in the world? Yea..
More like best zerg in the history of the game. And as Flash said "Zerg is a hard race to play"
ok, maybe a bit off-topic, but I just gotta get it out somewhere. I was there watching the games live, and one of the managers of MBC recognized me and got me into a little private photosession with Jaedong! check my profile picture
On April 02 2010 03:03 usopsama wrote: I'm starting to dislike Baby. (It is mostly because he defeated Stork but still.) ="(
man i don't see how. he's so fun to watch! i'm not one of those people who is like "flash is boring blah blah blah" but baby definitely has a fun terran style
On April 02 2010 03:03 usopsama wrote: I'm starting to dislike Baby. (It is mostly because he defeated Stork but still.) ="(
Don't dislike a player because of who he beats, dislike him because of how he wins/plays/acts. BaBy plays fun games, has impressive mechanics, and has a cute and modest personality. What's to hate about the kid?
Oh right, I forgot the TL unwritten rule: Jaedong/Stork/Flash/Bisu are never outplayed, it's always some imba or bullshit excuse, errr I mean valid excuse
On April 02 2010 01:28 XeqtR wrote: ok, maybe a bit off-topic, but I just gotta get it out somewhere. I was there watching the games live, and one of the managers of MBC recognized me and got me into a little private photosession with Jaedong! check my profile picture
Wow that's really cool! Where did they recognize you from?
On April 02 2010 01:28 XeqtR wrote: ok, maybe a bit off-topic, but I just gotta get it out somewhere. I was there watching the games live, and one of the managers of MBC recognized me and got me into a little private photosession with Jaedong! check my profile picture
Baby is going to get killed by Jaedong in a series :/. I'm not convinced he's that great, but it's good to see he's gotten over his nerves. Hopefully he keeps playing well (but not too well because then everyone will cry about how imba Terran is... -_-)
On April 02 2010 03:03 usopsama wrote: I'm starting to dislike Baby. (It is mostly because he defeated Stork but still.) ="(
Don't dislike a player because of who he beats, dislike him because of how he wins/plays/acts. BaBy plays fun games, has impressive mechanics, and has a cute and modest personality. What's to hate about the kid?
He's got no personality, one of the dumbest screen names, (yeah I know it's 'TY' now) isn't special in any way with his gameplay and is starting to knock much more interesting players out of the leagues. He's easy to hate, just like Shine last season.
On April 02 2010 03:03 usopsama wrote: I'm starting to dislike Baby. (It is mostly because he defeated Stork but still.) ="(
Don't dislike a player because of who he beats, dislike him because of how he wins/plays/acts. BaBy plays fun games, has impressive mechanics, and has a cute and modest personality. What's to hate about the kid?
He's got no personality, one of the dumbest screen names, (yeah I know it's 'TY' now) isn't special in any way with his gameplay and is starting to knock much more interesting players out of the leagues. He's easy to hate, just like Shine last season.
shine was waaay easier to hate. at least Baby can play standard. i'd rather have flash 2.0 (big stretch i know, but cant think of better analogy) then shine.
On April 01 2010 17:34 sAAvior wrote: Too many mediocre Terrans beating good Zergs recently... Shitty maps are imo to blame.
BABY ISN'T MEDIOCRE
If he was mediocre he wouldn't be 3-0 against Jaedong recently and he wouldn't have beaten Stork in the OSL he's really good arghhhh
He's gonna crash and burn, like every mediocre players that beat some S-class (Shine).
Baby is nothing like Shine.
Shine was a gimmicky all in player that was only really good against protoss(and that's debatable). Baby is beating all races, and in long games...with good mechanics.
I personally like Baby. He’s convincingly beating players with good plays, and mechanics. (Maybe not the best in the world, but certainly excellent.) And his games are fun to watch for me. So I’ll be looking forward to further games from him.
I’m personally pretty happy to see the results of group A, I wanted Baby, and Jaedong to advance. Wouldn’t have minded if July had joined them, but unfortunately only two people can advance.
P.S. Can't remember if he used to be like this, but in recent games Baby seems to just be very calm and cool headed. And for me that's a plus towards liking him.
Wow have to give it to Baby he's playing amazing. Outmultitasked outmacroed outmicroed outplayed straight up. But jd,... how many more progamers will go ultras vs mech?
On April 01 2010 17:34 sAAvior wrote: Too many mediocre Terrans beating good Zergs recently... Shitty maps are imo to blame.
BABY ISN'T MEDIOCRE
If he was mediocre he wouldn't be 3-0 against Jaedong recently and he wouldn't have beaten Stork in the OSL he's really good arghhhh
He's gonna crash and burn, like every mediocre players that beat some S-class (Shine).
Baby is nothing like Shine.
Shine was a gimmicky all in player that was only really good against protoss(and that's debatable). Baby is beating all races, and in long games...with good mechanics.
Umm no. When Shine was in baby's position last season, he was beating all races too. Does Fantasy, Effort, Really ring any bells? Only difference was he beat Bisu and he was zerg. If you are not in Kespa top 3-4 zerg and knock Bisu or Stork out, people will hate you, especially if you're zerg(PvZ imbaaaa omg omg omg bitchers). Also, baby tried to cheese JD. 2 port wraith? And terran always plays longer games than zergs on average. Thats a horrible comparison. Baby's micro and macro is not top class. Good, but not finals good.
Only difference is Baby has potential as he is only 15. I personally doubt he will get to the finals or even semi's as he is only 15. I don't think he is mature enough to handle the pressure and carry the momentum.
On April 01 2010 17:34 sAAvior wrote: Too many mediocre Terrans beating good Zergs recently... Shitty maps are imo to blame.
BABY ISN'T MEDIOCRE
If he was mediocre he wouldn't be 3-0 against Jaedong recently and he wouldn't have beaten Stork in the OSL he's really good arghhhh
He's gonna crash and burn, like every mediocre players that beat some S-class (Shine).
Baby is nothing like Shine.
Shine was a gimmicky all in player that was only really good against protoss(and that's debatable). Baby is beating all races, and in long games...with good mechanics.
Umm no. When Shine was in baby's position last season, he was beating all races too. Does Fantasy, Effort, Really ring any bells? Only difference was he beat Bisu and he was zerg. If you are not in Kespa top 3-4 zerg and knock Bisu or Stork out, people will hate you, especially if you're zerg(PvZ imbaaaa omg omg omg bitchers). Also, baby tried to cheese JD. 2 port wraith? And terran always plays longer games than zergs on average. Thats a horrible comparison. Baby's micro and macro is not top class. Good, but not finals good.
Only difference is Baby has potential as he is only 15. I personally doubt he will get to the finals or even semi's as he is only 15. I don't think he is mature enough to handle the pressure and carry the momentum.
LOLOLOLOL 2port wraith is cheese? lololol wow. you go 2port a few Zergs and come back and tell me it's cheese after you lose every single game. 2port wraith gives you map control for about 5 minutes, if that. It's never ever going to win you a game, and it's never going to do significant damage(unless your opponent is completely inept). So please don't call something cheese which is quite possibly the furthest thing from cheese. Also he 2port Fe'd to the back expo. It' was complete map abuse. gj on map analysis Baby.
On April 01 2010 17:34 sAAvior wrote: Too many mediocre Terrans beating good Zergs recently... Shitty maps are imo to blame.
BABY ISN'T MEDIOCRE
If he was mediocre he wouldn't be 3-0 against Jaedong recently and he wouldn't have beaten Stork in the OSL he's really good arghhhh
He's gonna crash and burn, like every mediocre players that beat some S-class (Shine).
Baby is nothing like Shine.
Shine was a gimmicky all in player that was only really good against protoss(and that's debatable). Baby is beating all races, and in long games...with good mechanics.
Umm no. When Shine was in baby's position last season, he was beating all races too. Does Fantasy, Effort, Really ring any bells? Only difference was he beat Bisu and he was zerg. If you are not in Kespa top 3-4 zerg and knock Bisu or Stork out, people will hate you, especially if you're zerg(PvZ imbaaaa omg omg omg bitchers). Also, baby tried to cheese JD. 2 port wraith? And terran always plays longer games than zergs on average. Thats a horrible comparison. Baby's micro and macro is not top class. Good, but not finals good.
Only difference is Baby has potential as he is only 15. I personally doubt he will get to the finals or even semi's as he is only 15. I don't think he is mature enough to handle the pressure and carry the momentum.
LOLOLOLOL 2port wraith is cheese? lololol wow. you go 2port a few Zergs and come back and tell me it's cheese after you lose every single game. 2port wraith gives you map control for about 5 minutes, if that. It's never ever going to win you a game, and it's never going to do significant damage(unless your opponent is completely inept). So please don't call something cheese which is quite possibly the furthest thing from cheese. Also he 2port Fe'd to the back expo. It' was complete map abuse. gj on map analysis Baby.
Exactly, 2 port is about as cheesey as sair/reaver. It sacrifices army strength and map control to get air superiority and harass options where a simple micro mistake will cost you the game.
However, baby wasn't careless with his wraiths to get drones here and there, but instead expo'd. The only reason he could expo was because he had the back door one. Normally 2 port wraith runs into hydras, then terran goes mnm into a late expo because any earlier and a hydra bust is easy, but with the back door he could bunker on top of a ramp which would make hydra bust far far far harder. In addition, since the back door was pseudo island then the only way to get killed is drop, Jaedong knew this, and baby knew this. So instead of sacrificing wraiths for drones/harass, he killed what he could (what, like 2 ovies and one of them was the scouting ovie) and kept them alive to scout and more importantly stop the drop which would be the only thing that could kill him anytime soon. Since baby transitioned into full mech he could also easily take his nat since JD drop failed miserably.
From there baby could take his time to macro up and push at his leisure. Jd however, had much weaker macro because even though he defended the wraith harass really well, he threw his away advantage when he invested in a drop instead of drones/hatcheries.
On April 02 2010 07:43 Vasoline73 wrote: Baby is going to get killed by Jaedong in a series :/. I'm not convinced he's that great, but it's good to see he's gotten over his nerves. Hopefully he keeps playing well (but not too well because then everyone will cry about how imba Terran is... -_-)
You do realize they played a bo3 just a half month ago and Baby beat Jaedong 2-0 right?
On April 02 2010 07:43 Vasoline73 wrote: Baby is going to get killed by Jaedong in a series :/. I'm not convinced he's that great, but it's good to see he's gotten over his nerves. Hopefully he keeps playing well (but not too well because then everyone will cry about how imba Terran is... -_-)
You do realize they played a bo3 just a half month ago and Baby beat Jaedong 2-0 right?
Yeah, but reading Jaedong interview you can tell that the next time they meet Jaedong will be prepared at 200%. Seems like he still somewhat underestimated baby.
On April 02 2010 01:28 XeqtR wrote: ok, maybe a bit off-topic, but I just gotta get it out somewhere. I was there watching the games live, and one of the managers of MBC recognized me and got me into a little private photosession with Jaedong! check my profile picture
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