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Xxio
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada5565 Posts
March 05 2010 09:55 GMT
#221
On March 05 2010 18:52 NguN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2010 18:49 Hyde wrote:
On March 05 2010 18:47 ItsBigfoot wrote:
bisu fans love to complain about cheese

I wonder how they'll react now that bisu has to cheese to make it past 4th string zergs

That wasn't cheese.


5 Gate goon timing attack is cheese. You cut tech, eco and push out with dragoons. If it's scouted properly then the Zerg just masses lings and destroys the goons. Then mass hydra and break the natural because there will be no Templar tech or Reavers to defend. It's very much all-in. Definitely the Protoss equivalent of 3 hatch hydra.


are you serious? 3 hatch hydra or a 5 gate timing aren't cheese, they're called timing attacks, and in the case of Bisu's 5 gate timing it isn't even all-in.

KTY
FusionCutter
Profile Joined October 2004
Canada974 Posts
March 05 2010 09:56 GMT
#222
On March 05 2010 18:55 Xxio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2010 18:52 NguN wrote:
On March 05 2010 18:49 Hyde wrote:
On March 05 2010 18:47 ItsBigfoot wrote:
bisu fans love to complain about cheese

I wonder how they'll react now that bisu has to cheese to make it past 4th string zergs

That wasn't cheese.


5 Gate goon timing attack is cheese. You cut tech, eco and push out with dragoons. If it's scouted properly then the Zerg just masses lings and destroys the goons. Then mass hydra and break the natural because there will be no Templar tech or Reavers to defend. It's very much all-in. Definitely the Protoss equivalent of 3 hatch hydra.


are you serious? 3 hatch hydra or a 5 gate timing aren't cheese, they're called timing attacks, and in the case of Bisu's 5 gate timing it isn't even all-in.


Just ignore the troll.

Cheese is proxy gates. End of story.
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
March 05 2010 09:57 GMT
#223
modesty 12hatch
bisu forgeFE
( ・´ー・`)
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
March 05 2010 09:57 GMT
#224
On March 05 2010 18:55 Xxio wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2010 18:52 NguN wrote:
On March 05 2010 18:49 Hyde wrote:
On March 05 2010 18:47 ItsBigfoot wrote:
bisu fans love to complain about cheese

I wonder how they'll react now that bisu has to cheese to make it past 4th string zergs

That wasn't cheese.


5 Gate goon timing attack is cheese. You cut tech, eco and push out with dragoons. If it's scouted properly then the Zerg just masses lings and destroys the goons. Then mass hydra and break the natural because there will be no Templar tech or Reavers to defend. It's very much all-in. Definitely the Protoss equivalent of 3 hatch hydra.


are you serious? 3 hatch hydra or a 5 gate timing aren't cheese, they're called timing attacks, and in the case of Bisu's 5 gate timing it isn't even all-in.


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QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
March 05 2010 09:58 GMT
#225
Interestingly, Modesty takes his 3rd at 9:00 instead of the more popular bottom-left natural. Perhaps he's feeling nervous about defending his bases against early aggression after that last game.
. . . nevermore
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
March 05 2010 09:59 GMT
#226
Bisu once again gets a probe out to scout everything that Modesty's doing. Bisu sees the hatch at 9 and is sending out 1 zealot to harass a little
. . . nevermore
okum
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France5778 Posts
March 05 2010 09:59 GMT
#227
I don't like how cheese has come to mean anything that isn't standard.

BBS, proxy factory, 4/5 pool, proxy cannons/gates/dt, that's cheese.

If 4 gate goons is cheese then so is a 4 rax sunken break.
Flash fan before it was cool | Coiner of "jangbang"
purpose
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden1017 Posts
March 05 2010 10:00 GMT
#228
If you listen to terrans, the only strat protoss have is chees. Or at least whent hey beat a terran, then its chees, or at least lame as gay toss luck.

Terran on the other hand dont have chees, they only have uber pro strats, executed to perfection.

case closed!
prototype.
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Canada4215 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-05 10:00:59
March 05 2010 10:00 GMT
#229
modesty's overlord gets killed by first dragoon again...

can everyone stop arguing about cheese... because in the end, starcraft is not a food
( ・´ー・`)
snowdrift
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
France2061 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-05 10:01:14
March 05 2010 10:00 GMT
#230
On March 05 2010 18:50 ItsBigfoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2010 18:48 meeple wrote:
On March 05 2010 18:47 ItsBigfoot wrote:
bisu fans love to complain about cheese

I wonder how they'll react now that bisu has to cheese to make it past 4th string zergs


I wouldn't consider that cheese... just a timing attack, and a good one at that


If 5 gate goon isn't cheese then protoss doesn't have any cheese builds


It's not cheese, it's just a rather all-in attack that has to do damage, otherwise the Protoss lacks the tech and econ to stop the counter. Like a three hatch hydra build for Zergs.
NaDa. Our Lord and sAviOr shall return. Learn to nydus you scrub
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-03-05 10:00:58
March 05 2010 10:00 GMT
#231
On March 05 2010 18:59 okum wrote:
I don't like how cheese has come to mean anything that isn't standard.

BBS, proxy factory, 4/5 pool, proxy cannons/gates/dt, that's cheese.

If 4 gate goons is cheese then so is a 4 rax sunken break.


I think a lot of people would call a fast 4rax sunken break cheese anyways.
. . . nevermore
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
March 05 2010 10:00 GMT
#232
goons suck at blocking chokes. either that or Bisu just failed
dukethegold
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Canada5645 Posts
March 05 2010 10:00 GMT
#233
Lings got into Bisu's main. But killed only one probe. Ha!
Severedevil
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States4839 Posts
March 05 2010 10:01 GMT
#234
On March 05 2010 18:50 ItsBigfoot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 05 2010 18:48 meeple wrote:
On March 05 2010 18:47 ItsBigfoot wrote:
bisu fans love to complain about cheese

I wonder how they'll react now that bisu has to cheese to make it past 4th string zergs


I wouldn't consider that cheese... just a timing attack, and a good one at that


If 5 gate goon isn't cheese then protoss doesn't have any cheese builds

It's hard to cheese with a defensive fast expand build. Cheese builds are usually 1-base. (Two base for Zerg because you need two hatcheries to do anything anyways, but often without enough drones to actually run two bases.)

Goon rushes and 5gate speedzeal + 2 stargate corsair are the cheesiest Forge FE plays I'm aware of (maybe that zealot/DT rush), although of course you could forge FE and then proxy a pile of gateways if you want. Protoss has to pressure at some point, but can sacrifice tech/econ to make that pressure earlier and scarier. The more that's cut, the more all-in and therefore the 'cheesier' the play is.
My strategy is to fork people.
Squallcloud
Profile Joined February 2008
France466 Posts
March 05 2010 10:01 GMT
#235
If i may for reference this helped me a lot the first time i discovered teamliquid :

Taken from the definition thread

Cheese - Difficult to define. Generally a strategy that will immediately result in a loss if scouted or defended. Examples are proxy buildings and Cannon rushes.
Firebathero fanboy - It's not that i'm dumb i'm just controlled by a retarded infestor - Day[9]
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13076 Posts
March 05 2010 10:02 GMT
#236
modesty sacrificing few lings to scout bisu now didnt wanna be surprized like last game
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Doraemon
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
Australia14949 Posts
March 05 2010 10:02 GMT
#237
man.bisu gonna get nat broken
Do yourself a favour and just STFU
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13076 Posts
March 05 2010 10:02 GMT
#238
nice "timing" attack incoming
Stork and KHAN fan till 2012 ...
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
March 05 2010 10:03 GMT
#239
Bisu loses a goon to zerglings and hydras, but knows that modesty is coming now. building cannons and sneaks a speedlot into modesty's main
QuothTheRaven
Profile Joined December 2008
United States5524 Posts
March 05 2010 10:03 GMT
#240
Speed finished for Bisu, lots of zealots incoming
. . . nevermore
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