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Canada5565 Posts
On March 05 2010 18:52 NguN wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2010 18:49 Hyde wrote:On March 05 2010 18:47 ItsBigfoot wrote:
bisu fans love to complain about cheese
I wonder how they'll react now that bisu has to cheese to make it past 4th string zergs That wasn't cheese. 5 Gate goon timing attack is cheese. You cut tech, eco and push out with dragoons. If it's scouted properly then the Zerg just masses lings and destroys the goons. Then mass hydra and break the natural because there will be no Templar tech or Reavers to defend. It's very much all-in. Definitely the Protoss equivalent of 3 hatch hydra.
are you serious? 3 hatch hydra or a 5 gate timing aren't cheese, they're called timing attacks, and in the case of Bisu's 5 gate timing it isn't even all-in.
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On March 05 2010 18:55 Xxio wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2010 18:52 NguN wrote:On March 05 2010 18:49 Hyde wrote:On March 05 2010 18:47 ItsBigfoot wrote:
bisu fans love to complain about cheese
I wonder how they'll react now that bisu has to cheese to make it past 4th string zergs That wasn't cheese. 5 Gate goon timing attack is cheese. You cut tech, eco and push out with dragoons. If it's scouted properly then the Zerg just masses lings and destroys the goons. Then mass hydra and break the natural because there will be no Templar tech or Reavers to defend. It's very much all-in. Definitely the Protoss equivalent of 3 hatch hydra. are you serious? 3 hatch hydra or a 5 gate timing aren't cheese, they're called timing attacks, and in the case of Bisu's 5 gate timing it isn't even all-in.
Just ignore the troll.
Cheese is proxy gates. End of story.
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modesty 12hatch
bisu forgeFE
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On March 05 2010 18:55 Xxio wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2010 18:52 NguN wrote:On March 05 2010 18:49 Hyde wrote:On March 05 2010 18:47 ItsBigfoot wrote:
bisu fans love to complain about cheese
I wonder how they'll react now that bisu has to cheese to make it past 4th string zergs That wasn't cheese. 5 Gate goon timing attack is cheese. You cut tech, eco and push out with dragoons. If it's scouted properly then the Zerg just masses lings and destroys the goons. Then mass hydra and break the natural because there will be no Templar tech or Reavers to defend. It's very much all-in. Definitely the Protoss equivalent of 3 hatch hydra. are you serious? 3 hatch hydra or a 5 gate timing aren't cheese, they're called timing attacks, and in the case of Bisu's 5 gate timing it isn't even all-in.
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Interestingly, Modesty takes his 3rd at 9:00 instead of the more popular bottom-left natural. Perhaps he's feeling nervous about defending his bases against early aggression after that last game.
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Bisu once again gets a probe out to scout everything that Modesty's doing. Bisu sees the hatch at 9 and is sending out 1 zealot to harass a little
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I don't like how cheese has come to mean anything that isn't standard.
BBS, proxy factory, 4/5 pool, proxy cannons/gates/dt, that's cheese.
If 4 gate goons is cheese then so is a 4 rax sunken break.
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If you listen to terrans, the only strat protoss have is chees. Or at least whent hey beat a terran, then its chees, or at least lame as gay toss luck.
Terran on the other hand dont have chees, they only have uber pro strats, executed to perfection.
case closed!
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modesty's overlord gets killed by first dragoon again...
can everyone stop arguing about cheese... because in the end, starcraft is not a food
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France2061 Posts
On March 05 2010 18:50 ItsBigfoot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2010 18:48 meeple wrote:On March 05 2010 18:47 ItsBigfoot wrote:
bisu fans love to complain about cheese
I wonder how they'll react now that bisu has to cheese to make it past 4th string zergs I wouldn't consider that cheese... just a timing attack, and a good one at that If 5 gate goon isn't cheese then protoss doesn't have any cheese builds
It's not cheese, it's just a rather all-in attack that has to do damage, otherwise the Protoss lacks the tech and econ to stop the counter. Like a three hatch hydra build for Zergs.
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On March 05 2010 18:59 okum wrote:
I don't like how cheese has come to mean anything that isn't standard.
BBS, proxy factory, 4/5 pool, proxy cannons/gates/dt, that's cheese.
If 4 gate goons is cheese then so is a 4 rax sunken break.
I think a lot of people would call a fast 4rax sunken break cheese anyways.
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goons suck at blocking chokes. either that or Bisu just failed
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Lings got into Bisu's main. But killed only one probe. Ha!
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On March 05 2010 18:50 ItsBigfoot wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2010 18:48 meeple wrote:On March 05 2010 18:47 ItsBigfoot wrote:
bisu fans love to complain about cheese
I wonder how they'll react now that bisu has to cheese to make it past 4th string zergs I wouldn't consider that cheese... just a timing attack, and a good one at that If 5 gate goon isn't cheese then protoss doesn't have any cheese builds
It's hard to cheese with a defensive fast expand build. Cheese builds are usually 1-base. (Two base for Zerg because you need two hatcheries to do anything anyways, but often without enough drones to actually run two bases.)
Goon rushes and 5gate speedzeal + 2 stargate corsair are the cheesiest Forge FE plays I'm aware of (maybe that zealot/DT rush), although of course you could forge FE and then proxy a pile of gateways if you want. Protoss has to pressure at some point, but can sacrifice tech/econ to make that pressure earlier and scarier. The more that's cut, the more all-in and therefore the 'cheesier' the play is.
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If i may for reference this helped me a lot the first time i discovered teamliquid :
Taken from the definition thread
Cheese - Difficult to define. Generally a strategy that will immediately result in a loss if scouted or defended. Examples are proxy buildings and Cannon rushes.
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modesty sacrificing few lings to scout bisu now didnt wanna be surprized like last game
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man.bisu gonna get nat broken
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nice "timing" attack incoming
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Bisu loses a goon to zerglings and hydras, but knows that modesty is coming now. building cannons and sneaks a speedlot into modesty's main
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Speed finished for Bisu, lots of zealots incoming
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