In all honesty, if Hiya gets past Canata, Oz will likely win. If not, T1 will probably take it.
Canata, Fantasy, and Hyuk are really the only threats T1 has against Oz as either JD or Hiya should make easy work of Bisu/Best - Hiya is on a TvP roll - currently 8-1 against JangBi/Stork - and JD is still the most dominant ZvP in the world (heck, Killer is even pretty decent vs P).
Oz is basically a two-man team with Killer getting some good snipes here and there, but I don't understand why Coach Cho won't invest in a decent protoss or start sending out some B-teamers that have shown a lot of promise (PM is now 1-12 in Proleague).
Bisu wins four matches in a row, restoring pride and power to the Protoss race and paving the path towards his true title as Bonjwa Toss. As Bonjwa, Bisu will develop a new, never before build involving impeccable use of Scouts (lol), with which he will rape Flash in the next Starleague and usher in a new era of Toss dominance. The End.
On February 23 2010 04:11 On_Slaught wrote: Someone please make a HH where the same situtation plays out as that SKT castle, except Jaedong flashes his MSL badge and Bisu QQs.
lolol, fanatacist from the valley of darkness That was a really funny t1 cast1e, too, hwaesung house niveau really. Iloveoovs expression is priceless, you can actually imagine him saying that lol
so sad that I wont be able to watch this. Oh well, another reverse all kill from Jaedong please.
edit: Who the f*** is Mell? O_O edit2: OK nevermind, checked TLPD ..
On February 23 2010 06:43 7mk wrote: lolol, fanatacist from the valley of darkness That was a really funny t1 cast1e, too, hwaesung house niveau really. Iloveoovs expression is priceless, you can actually imagine him saying that lol
so sad that I wont be able to watch this. Oh well, another reverse all kill from Jaedong please.
edit: Who the f*** is Mell? O_O edit2: OK nevermind, checked TLPD ..
There was another T1 Cast1e but I can't find it lol
On February 23 2010 08:50 Djabanete wrote: They should send out Fantasybasically anybody to snipe Hiya
ROFL, well said. Not sure what the whole hype about OZ is in this thread. SKT slipped vs. KT, fine. But to think that OZ is likely to win today... 'the hell?!
Hiya is probably going to bring down Canata, then Bisu will come out (tossup) if Bisu win, then its going to be Killer. If he loses, then they are going to bring out BeSt. Then its ezpz for Oz.
On February 23 2010 06:43 7mk wrote: lolol, fanatacist from the valley of darkness That was a really funny t1 cast1e, too, hwaesung house niveau really. Iloveoovs expression is priceless, you can actually imagine him saying that lol
so sad that I wont be able to watch this. Oh well, another reverse all kill from Jaedong please.
edit: Who the f*** is Mell? O_O edit2: OK nevermind, checked TLPD ..
There was another T1 Cast1e but I can't find it lol
I know, the first one wasn't quite as good as this one though.
btw, to all members of the infamous "Fuck Yeah, Canata !" Committee, prepare yourselves with the official "fuck yeah, canata! .gif and spam the forum with it after each victory of Captain Canata ! He will get 4 tonight, so
This series could either be very entertaining or very disappointing. Both of these teams have had some massive failings at certain points this season, with any luck we'll see some strong, entertaining games.
On February 23 2010 09:35 disciple wrote: btw, to all members of the infamous "Fuck Yeah, Canata !" Committee, prepare yourselves with the official "fuck yeah, canata! .gif and spam the forum with it after each victory of Captain Canata ! He will get 4 tonight, so
Dude.. what the hell man....... Anything but Lazy Town.. PLEASE..
Sending out Fantasy or Bisu against Jaedong, who has been practicing primarily ZvT and ZvP for major leagues for the past months would be recipe for disaster.
honestly, i can basically gurantee that if jd goes out before hyuk goes down, hyuk will be sent. skt seems willing to deny us a bisu/jd if it means getting a hyuk/jd.
so in the end i still want s2 to come out and rape some ass
but then gets gangraped by kim taek yong for the triple kill T1 victoryyyy
but seriously JD is gonna be deadly serious tonight. He loses a close ass game against stork, and Flash just got a reverse all kill. its gonna be classic JD rage face
On February 23 2010 13:56 dekuschrub wrote: canata wins game one
JD rips through canata, Hyuk, fantasy
but then gets gangraped by kim taek yong for the triple kill T1 victoryyyy
but seriously JD is gonna be deadly serious tonight. He loses a close ass game against stork, and Flash just got a reverse all kill. its gonna be classic JD rage face
pretty sure oz is saving jd for ace again... only one time when jaedong wasn't ace, he was sent out first
On February 23 2010 16:57 Mystlord wrote: I realized that MBC ferron is still down, so I'll be streaming this game. Hopefully Korea interwebs will be nice today
On February 23 2010 17:00 purpose wrote: How is Bisus form? Feel like I havent heard anything from him for a while. Is he still out of form or is he getting back on track?
Not a bad player overall (come on, ANYONE will lose to Flash atm), but if you compare him to the beast last SPL, then yea, he's terribad.
Bisu/Best are sucking so bad lately. Best has been shit ever since his Incruit loss vs Stork. So, can Fantasy stop Jaedong? Sorry, but I think not. Oz will win.
Jaedong seemed to take that game vs stork so hard. I mean the guy looked like he was about to cry, and the sweat was just pooring down. Wonder how that will affect him today. Will SKT suffer for this, or might he be abit of?
Jaedong seemed to take that game vs stork so hard. I mean the guy looked like he was about to cry, and the sweat was just pooring down. Wonder how that will affect him today. Will SKT suffer for this, or might he be abit of?
Knowing Jaedong he probably practiced even harder.
Jaedong seemed to take that game vs stork so hard. I mean the guy looked like he was about to cry, and the sweat was just pooring down. Wonder how that will affect him today. Will SKT suffer for this, or might he be abit of?
Knowing Jaedong he probably practiced even harder.
I agree with the last comment made. If there's anything we know about Jaedong (and as the final edit on him says), we know that his mental game is concrete as hell. If there's anybody to rebound quickly, it's Jaedong.
fantasy adding 2 factories to the 2 he already has - hiya seeing everything with his wraith but rines or goliaths area always in time to stop it from getting any kills
fantasy with medium vulture force attacks 9 - but hiya responds with even more vultures, so fantasy backs off vultures fight below the middle of the map fantasy adds two wraiths which makes all the difference and barely comes up on top in that battle
hiya moving his forces towards 6 - but backs off when finding nothing there with his vulture
hiya floating his cc back towards 12
hiya's got a lot of units at the center - he controlsl more than half the map
fantasy with dropships moving towards 7 hiya moving forces to respond - fantasy aborts his drop when hiya responds with ground forces and more dropships
hiya attacking fantasy's 5 with goliaths - getting lots of scv kills
hiya clears the drop at 7 with his own dropped forces fantasy taking 4 - but there's two tanks from hiya on the hill - fantasy drops to clear both with no losses
hiya moving dropships towards 5, then 4
fantasy's forces are already there, hiya's small drop force lost - but he did kill some of fantasy's units
fantasy drops to save his 4 - but hiya has MORE dropships and MORE forces - and his counterdrop obliterates fantasy's units and his hopes of securing a mining base fantasy gg's!
after scouting that 14cc, pretty late, maybe fantasy should have tried some sort of timing attack instead of continuing with 1 fact cc, which put him behind all game?
once again hiya sieges up at the lowground below best's nat - a lot of forces lost by both sides - but it's cleared another vulture raids 9 - best has very few probes there now
vultures come to raid 11 yet again - so many probes have been sent to probe heaven this game zealots vs vultures outside of best's nat - hiya with some micro killing a number of zealots
hiya has replenished a lot of his tanks - and is moving out again, prepares to take 5 again
best as he often does clears mines by suiciding units
an attack on hiya's tanks close to 3 3 big stasis on the tanks and the one sci vessel although there are plenty of goon loses - best comes out on top, and the stasised tanks are surrounded by units
On February 23 2010 19:31 SuperArc wrote: Looking at the replay it looks like Best had more zealots than Hiya had units and Hiya's macro is very good too.
Not good enough. Hiya was on equal or MORE mining bases all game.
But the mass zealot break of his first major push (not counting the initial FD) was partly Hiya's fault too - he moved forwards and sieged up his tanks before having his mines laid, which allowed the zealots to clean up so easily. Hiya had moments before set up a good minefield for his tanks just left of the middle of the map but he decided to abandon it to take the low ground below best's nat - and opened up a huge vulnerability as he did so
On February 23 2010 19:29 SuperArc wrote: I am pretty sure no Toss apart from Best could have held off Hiya's pushes.
His macro is seriously out of the world.
His micro too.
Then I guess you haven't seen his other games lololol
Other than the stasis, best's micro wasn't that special. (well the probe defense was pretty good too, but it wouldn't have happened if hiya was microing his vulture) - his big gains in the game were mostly due to catching hiya off guard (both with his zealot-heavy unit mix, and catching hiya out of position)
his micro vs vulture/mine surround was HORRIBLE this game, for example bisu especially is a contrast to this, his mine defusing is amazing.
On February 23 2010 19:39 Zona wrote: hrm, I guess I should call him baxter since he's been using this handle forever. well it's a good switch, since he wasn't turning out to be a killer.
Best bottom left, killer, er, baxter bottom right.
Killer has gotten significantly better ever since the Oz ace fiascos.
I don't get why everyone is just complimenting Best's macro this game. Sure he, steadily reinforced units, but he engaged in very clever spots and he microed decently to back it up.
Not because their team sucks, but because JD isn't really fulfilling his role as ace. Hiya/Killer have been playing damn well so far. JD just fails to deliever when it counts lately.
On February 23 2010 20:01 SuperArc wrote: You know why Oz has been failing in WL so far?
Not because their team sucks, but because JD isn't really fulfilling his role as ace. Hiya/Killer have been playing damn well so far. JD just fails to deliever when it counts lately.
not fufilling his role as super god mode ace you mean. His record has been subpar but look at the people he lost to? all 4 have been their teams aces, Stork,Flash,Effort,Zero, and I saw 2 of those games and both of them were due to simple fuck ups( not clicking c and sending all your lings to defend)
On February 23 2010 20:01 SuperArc wrote: You know why Oz has been failing in WL so far?
Not because their team sucks, but because JD isn't really fulfilling his role as ace. Hiya/Killer have been playing damn well so far. JD just fails to deliever when it counts lately.
not fufilling his role as super god mode ace you mean. His record has been subpar but look at the people he lost to? all 4 have been their teams aces, Stork,Flash,Effort,Zero, and I saw 2 of those games and both of them were due to simple fuck ups( not clicking c and sending all your lings to defend)
Yeah I meant super god mode ace. I know it's hard, but it's expected of JD to crush other team's aces.
On February 23 2010 20:06 snowdrift86 wrote: SKT keeping Hyuk for JD, they can't risk losing him to Killer or the snipe is denied. But I don't think Bisu will succeed where Best failed.
Except Bisu is their last player so no chance of seeing Hyuk.
Wait, then why are they playing Bisu? He might beat Killer, but he has no chance vs Jaedong (no offense to his diehard fans). They should've played Hyuk and prayed for the snipe.
On February 23 2010 20:11 snowdrift86 wrote: Wait, then why are they playing Bisu? He might beat Killer, but he has no chance vs Jaedong (no offense to his diehard fans). They should've played Hyuk and prayed for the snipe.
Assuming, Hyuk beats Killer; Oz sends out Lomo and JD in that order.
a bunch of lings scorner the scouting probe - stargate added zealot arrives at 7, takes a few swipes at drones but doesn't kill any backs into a corner and takes 2 lings with it
what - ling and lurker runby - but baxter never burrows his lurker and it dies to cannons he also saves his templar on the ramp from being sniped by lings
bisu taking 4
bisu attacking the nat with archon/zealot - but mutas match almost immediately
a few zealots get into the main, but don't deal much damage
spire sniped! but the zealots in the main are cleared by mutalisks
bisu breaks the lurker contain but mass hydra arrive storm kills a lot of them but busi doesn't have any more storms in reserve? he's backing off, losing a lot of goons
hydra breaking into 4 - but no overlords there against 2 dark templar, and the attack is repelled
meanwhile 3 zealots or so taking down killer's base at 8
Poor game from both players, to be honest. Killer loses a ton of hydras to dts as he refuses to bring ovies, but it doesn't matter and he overruns the third.
On February 23 2010 20:01 SuperArc wrote: You know why Oz has been failing in WL so far?
Not because their team sucks, but because JD isn't really fulfilling his role as ace. Hiya/Killer have been playing damn well so far. JD just fails to deliever when it counts lately.
On February 23 2010 20:30 Gumbo wrote: JAEDONG OZ WHAT? FUCK YEA.
It was never Jaedong Oz. Yes Jaedong plays the majority of ace matches and wins the majority of his games like a real ace on any other team does but fucking hell you guys don't give guys like Hiya any credit at all.
On February 23 2010 20:30 Gumbo wrote: JAEDONG OZ WHAT? FUCK YEA.
It was never Jaedong Oz. Yes Jaedong plays the majority of ace matches and wins the majority of his games like a real ace on any other team does but fucking hell you guys don't give guys like Hiya any credit at all.
Everyone gives Hiya(garados) credit in WL, but he half of the time in PL so he isnt really that early that reliable.
I've seen Zero doing similar hydra timing attacking right before/as storm is finishing when templar are low and can traditionally be sniped by mutas; they were also HUGELY successful. We may be seeing switches in the metagame unfold before us.
On February 23 2010 20:35 Sinensis wrote: I've seen Zero doing similar hydra timing attacking right before/as storm is finishing when templar are low and can traditionally be sniped by mutas; they were also HUGELY successful. We may be seeing switches in the metagame unfold before us.
lol what are you talking about , that was just the Shine zvp nonsense
On February 23 2010 20:35 Sinensis wrote: I've seen Zero doing similar hydra timing attacking right before/as storm is finishing when templar are low and can traditionally be sniped by mutas; they were also HUGELY successful. We may be seeing switches in the metagame unfold before us.
lol what are you talking about , that was just the Shine zvp nonsense
I usually don't watch Shine games because he pisses me off but another example isn't hurting the theory.
On February 23 2010 20:35 Sinensis wrote: I've seen Zero doing similar hydra timing attacking right before/as storm is finishing when templar are low and can traditionally be sniped by mutas; they were also HUGELY successful. We may be seeing switches in the metagame unfold before us.
lol what are you talking about , that was just the Shine zvp nonsense
I usually don't watch Shine games because he pisses me off but another example isn't hurting the theory.
Did you watch any ZvPs in 2008/2009? Thats all Zergs do go Hydra/Muta and if toss doesnt have enough storm they die. Its not a metagame shift it is the metagame for a year now.
On February 23 2010 20:30 Gumbo wrote: JAEDONG OZ WHAT? FUCK YEA.
It was never Jaedong Oz. Yes Jaedong plays the majority of ace matches and wins the majority of his games like a real ace on any other team does but fucking hell you guys don't give guys like Hiya any credit at all.
On February 23 2010 20:35 Sinensis wrote: I've seen Zero doing similar hydra timing attacking right before/as storm is finishing when templar are low and can traditionally be sniped by mutas; they were also HUGELY successful. We may be seeing switches in the metagame unfold before us.
you do realise that he went lurkers first, right?
either way this was far from revolutionary. Killer didnt play that great either, he was in a superstrong position until his first lurkers died cause of horrible mismicro, letting bisu get up that 3rd base when bisu didnt even have detection. He did come back with very good HT sniping though.
All of those saying bisu played bad. He didnt really do any mistakes at all besides that completely failed early zealot attack. After that he played very very well but killer just did a fabulous job sniping HTs, it's not like bisu had them just in a wrong position either they were right next to archons and goons, except for the ones reinforcing obviously.
On February 23 2010 20:30 Gumbo wrote: JAEDONG OZ WHAT? FUCK YEA.
It was never Jaedong Oz. Yes Jaedong plays the majority of ace matches and wins the majority of his games like a real ace on any other team does but fucking hell you guys don't give guys like Hiya any credit at all.
Did you start watching Starcraft with WL or what?
How many times would I wake up get on tl and see oh my favorite team got 3-1 again with JD winning his match.
Getting all killed by Flash was still kinda fine, but getting roflstomped 4-1 by Hwaseung without Jaedong is just unforgivable. Especially when your lineup is so imba that it looks like powerrank.
On February 23 2010 20:43 Highways wrote: Killer is: ZvP - 70% ZvT - 25%
Lol typical Zerg's these days.
This is why Effort looked like such a proming player.
Rofl no, Effort is extremely talented in all 3 matchups. He's just going through a shitty phase right now.
I think you misinterpreted --- Effort is promising because he is strong in all matchups, unlike one-hit-wonder-zergs. (cough Shine)
I can think of so many Zergs that only know PvZ... Hogil, Heojja, Shine, Effort (yes, don't flame), Calm, Zero (yet to see a solid ZvT from him) and Killer to name a few (discounting ZvZ cause every1s pretty much equal in it now)
On February 24 2010 04:28 SubtleArt wrote: I can think of so many Zergs that only know PvZ... Hogil, Heojja, Shine, Effort (yes, don't flame), Calm, Zero (yet to see a solid ZvT from him) and Killer to name a few (discounting ZvZ cause every1s pretty much equal in it now)
Yet to see a solid ZvT from Zero?!?! I have to assume you've, um, never watched him play ZvT.
On February 23 2010 20:43 Highways wrote: Killer is: ZvP - 70% ZvT - 25%
Lol typical Zerg's these days.
This is why Effort looked like such a proming player.
Rofl no, Effort is extremely talented in all 3 matchups. He's just going through a shitty phase right now.
I think you misinterpreted --- Effort is promising because he is strong in all matchups, unlike one-hit-wonder-zergs. (cough Shine)
I can think of so many Zergs that only know PvZ... Hogil, Heojja, Shine, Effort (yes, don't flame), Calm, Zero (yet to see a solid ZvT from him) and Killer to name a few (discounting ZvZ cause every1s pretty much equal in it now)
Calm, Effort, and Zero are all great players in all three mu's. Discounting ZvZ is stupid, everyone is not equal.
On February 23 2010 22:45 JWD wrote: T1 does not like WL format
Yeah it is weird that T1 is doing so badly when they don't have to put out a Zerg. I mean Bisu, Best, Fantasy and Canata. How else could the lineup get any better? Maybe replace Canata with someone but I don't see it as much of an improvement.
On February 23 2010 20:43 Highways wrote: Killer is: ZvP - 70% ZvT - 25%
Lol typical Zerg's these days.
This is why Effort looked like such a proming player.
Rofl no, Effort is extremely talented in all 3 matchups. He's just going through a shitty phase right now.
I think you misinterpreted --- Effort is promising because he is strong in all matchups, unlike one-hit-wonder-zergs. (cough Shine)
Yeah I guess I did, but the way I see it he's still implying that Effort falsely looked like a new Zerg star, which I'll strongly disagree, like I said he just has a bad phase.
On February 24 2010 04:28 SubtleArt wrote: I can think of so many Zergs that only know PvZ... Hogil, Heojja, Shine, Effort (yes, don't flame), Calm, Zero (yet to see a solid ZvT from him) and Killer to name a few (discounting ZvZ cause every1s pretty much equal in it now)
Yet to see a solid ZvT from Zero?!?! I have to assume you've, um, never watched him play ZvT.
....... lol seriously that statement is ridiculous.
Btw its extremely common for people to have one weak matchup, in fact its very rare to have all 3 matchups on the same level. Think about FBH, Casy, Luxury, Yarnc, Jangbi, Best, at some point in the past Jaedong (ZvP) It's only natural that it's most often gonna be the matchup which generally tends to be the hardest (TvP, ZvT, PvZ)
On February 23 2010 20:43 Highways wrote: Killer is: ZvP - 70% ZvT - 25%
Lol typical Zerg's these days.
This is why Effort looked like such a proming player.
Rofl no, Effort is extremely talented in all 3 matchups. He's just going through a shitty phase right now.
I think you misinterpreted --- Effort is promising because he is strong in all matchups, unlike one-hit-wonder-zergs. (cough Shine)
I can think of so many Zergs that only know PvZ... Hogil, Heojja, Shine, Effort (yes, don't flame), Calm, Zero (yet to see a solid ZvT from him) and Killer to name a few (discounting ZvZ cause every1s pretty much equal in it now)
lol. zero vs flash bo3? zero vs hwasin? zero vs fbh? zero vs skyhigh?
On February 23 2010 20:43 Highways wrote: Killer is: ZvP - 70% ZvT - 25%
Lol typical Zerg's these days.
This is why Effort looked like such a proming player.
Rofl no, Effort is extremely talented in all 3 matchups. He's just going through a shitty phase right now.
I think you misinterpreted --- Effort is promising because he is strong in all matchups, unlike one-hit-wonder-zergs. (cough Shine)
I can think of so many Zergs that only know PvZ... Hogil, Heojja, Shine, Effort (yes, don't flame), Calm, Zero (yet to see a solid ZvT from him) and Killer to name a few (discounting ZvZ cause every1s pretty much equal in it now)
lol. zero vs flash bo3? zero vs hwasin? zero vs fbh? zero vs skyhigh?
Zero vs Flash was really nothing special. Zero vs Hwasin - Hwasin should have won that game, his screwup. FBH and Skyhigh are not really good TvZers (FBH used to be, but not anymore).
Horrible examples of Zero's ZvT. But not as horrible as calling Zero bad in ZvT.
Best at this point seems to be just one match miracle. He's only good at PvT now. Bisu...I dunno what to say. The only player in SKT that isn't slumping hardcore is probably Fantasy. I don't really blame him for a BO loss.
When SKT1 lost their best terrans early, I knew it was over. However, I didn't think the zerg that will lay the finishing blow was Killer! lol, Jaedong Jr.. If best Best or Bisu are struggling with Killer, imagine how badly they will lose against Jaedong.
To be fair, Bisu had a horrible PvZ map to fight on. The opening at the third is easy for zerg to flood hydras in.