so pumped for this. Hoping fbh's past 6 wins aren't flukes and his back in business but on the other hand, CJ need to buck the fk up and end this losing streak. They are worth nth as a team on fpl.
KHAN has FBH. He will triple kill (fucking over my FPL) and then subsequently lose to a CJ Terran. (probably Skyhigh or Iris) . Jangbi/Stork will come out and rape said CJ Terran.
I am kinda losing faith on CJ. I am a Movie and Effort fan, and I invested heavily on those two in FPL, but they are failing royally and getting 3 killed, all killed on weekly basis.
I am fed up and I am predicting a Khan victory. But I would be a very happy man if CJ can prove me otherwise.
Oh yeah, and FBH v.s. Savior MUST happen. But if FBH wins and performs a ceremony, he'd be just beating on a dead horse. There is no glory to it.
Well lets see khan is doing well with FBH looking good and Stork to clean whoever is left while CJ is looking like shit with pretty much everyone performing either meh or crap so my Khan senses tell me...
On February 02 2010 02:02 SuperArc wrote: CJ will lose horribly.
Cant belive a CJ fan is saying that... i mean you got Effort who with his 65%ish ZvP should easily be able to roll Khans tosses.
Only person on khan i see taking a game off Effort atm is Great with a BO win.
as much as i love effort and i think he is a great player , any other time i would have agreed that no one in khan can take him with good odds including stork but lately he is kind of off his game losing in important matches (the same goes for all cj team). and khan have the momentum lately they've been relying on fbh who running hot .. hot hot but it wont last and maybe cj will stop him but u still have stork who only played as executioner,and it seems it always ends with stork, no matter how u look at it cj is going to this match as an underdog (not talking about stats and players just the feeling or the aura of this match)
Nah, but in all seriousness, great will win vs Hydra. Also, JangBi's losing streak ends right here (well, that is unless great and FBH take all the fun for themselves).
On February 02 2010 02:02 SuperArc wrote: CJ will lose horribly.
Cant belive a CJ fan is saying that... i mean you got Effort who with his 65%ish ZvP should easily be able to roll Khans tosses.
Only person on khan i see taking a game off Effort atm is Great with a BO win.
Lol at this, last time great beat effort was when effort had the BO advantage. Effort's vs Z has been LESS than 50% this season. Jangbi beat Effort in the ace match last encounter. His vs. T is around 50% this season with losses to above average Terrans. So yeah, the way Efforts been playing, I see a lot of oppurtunity for Khan to beat him.
Unlike playoffs when old Effort destroyed old Khan, we are dealing with a weakened Effort and a renewed Khan.
On February 02 2010 02:02 SuperArc wrote: CJ will lose horribly.
Cant belive a CJ fan is saying that... i mean you got Effort who with his 65%ish ZvP should easily be able to roll Khans tosses.
Only person on khan i see taking a game off Effort atm is Great with a BO win.
Lol at this, last time great beat effort was when effort had the BO advantage. Effort's vs Z has been LESS than 50% this season. Jangbi beat Effort in the ace match last encounter. His vs. T is around 50% this season with losses to above average Terrans. So yeah, the way Efforts been playing, I see a lot of oppurtunity for Khan to beat him.
Unlike playoffs when old Effort destroyed old Khan, we are dealing with a weakened Effort and a renewed Khan.
Nah, not renewed Khan. Just a dancing FBH. He's back and he's badder than ever. Oh, and Stork playing well can't hurt either.
imho both fbh and stork should have a good shot against effort......
imho 4-2 khan, but im unsure about how this result is achieved
btw i dont think cj is gonna send savior anytime soon... on the other hand an epic win against his nemesis fbh could be the very only possibility left to restore his shattered confidence and self-esteem.
On February 02 2010 08:00 Black Gun wrote: imho both fbh and stork should have a good shot against effort......
imho 4-2 khan, but im unsure about how this result is achieved
btw i dont think cj is gonna send savior anytime soon... on the other hand an epic win against his nemesis fbh could be the very only possibility left to restore his shattered confidence and self-esteem.
He got brutally raped by Best a couple days back. It was so bad. I don't think we'll be seeing much of him in PL anytime soon.
On February 02 2010 12:25 ShadeR wrote: firebathero in my fpl and movie in my anti team. This ROCKS
I was going to trade Mind for Firebathero last week during the trade period, and then at the last moment took it back. FFS they start throwing him out in the line-up and he starts winning...
Anyways this match should be good, I really want to see Effort vs Stork, but then again, who doesn't.
Here's hoping FBH finally gets his all-kill. Although Effort/Skyhigh/Movie seems like a pretty difficult combo to go through. Then again, CJ got Guemchied, so anything can happen.
On February 02 2010 12:36 JL13 wrote: I hate it whenever these two play. Favorite player vs. favorite team.
Predicting Effort to not lose a game tonight, though =)
Odd combo for favorite player/team. What if we get Savior vs FBH? Will your head explode?
On February 02 2010 12:42 baubo wrote: Here's hoping FBH finally gets his all-kill. Although Effort/Skyhigh/Movie seems like a pretty difficult combo to go through. Then again, CJ got Guemchied, so anything can happen.
On February 02 2010 12:36 JL13 wrote: I hate it whenever these two play. Favorite player vs. favorite team.
Predicting Effort to not lose a game tonight, though =)
Odd combo for favorite player/team. What if we get Savior vs FBH? Will your head explode?
I'm a toss player, and I've watched pretty much every Jangbi game to date. Darkelf/Kwanro used to be on CJ and both play hyper aggro styles which are extremely fun to watch. Pretty odd combo I admit now that neither of those two are on CJ anymore.
I'd gladly take a CJ PL 1st place grand prize over any Jangbi OSL/MSL gold and lastly, always will root Savior over FBH.
Stork will rape Movie and do well against Effort if it comes to that. He has a completely new way of playing his PvZ. I'd be more afraid of Kwanro and shiine's hyper aggression than standard play from Effort.
On February 02 2010 14:30 Shatter wrote: firebathero vs sAviOr would be so Nice but since CJ already playing Hydra, I doubt they are going to not play sKyHigh, Movie and EffOrt since they need to win some games. So no room for sAviOr.
it's still possible savior could be sent out
i remember one time when cj didn't send skyhigh because it was a protoss opponent, then cj lost
damn, CJ starting off 0-3... it's still hard to imagine.
great > hydra
Gonna be close I think. I havent seen Great in a televised match for a bit, but his ZvZ is at least above average.
great < Movie
the final maps of this set favor terran slightly (looking at match point + moonglaive) so CJ'll want to save skyhigh/iris for those sets if possible. I could see Iris here instead of movie.
jangbi > movie
despite fbh's recent success, movie's struggled vs. P in the past 2-3 games.
jangbi > skyhigh/iris
Still a PvT beast, and these guys aren't named Fantasy/Hiya/Really
Khan < Effort
Return of last years winner's league playoffs. Effort goes into unstoppable mode and cleans everything up tonight.
great is beginning the walk of hero's the walk of khan's attempt at another all kill. Bring it great, show em the power you had last winner league, the power of the all kill.
movie doesnt deserve to win this -.- he coulda done so much damage with those 2 reavers if he put his zlots in front of them rather than letting mass hydras snipe them
Movie is so odd. Plays so incredibly sloppy at moments, and still manages to win with it. If this guy ever gets really solid he'll be a force to be reckoned with.
On February 02 2010 18:45 Promises wrote: Movie is so odd. Plays so incredibly sloppy at moments, and still manages to win with it. If this guy ever gets really solid he'll be a force to be reckoned with.
his mid game might suck, but once he moves zergs are usually fucked.
Woah Khan sending out FBH, I am not too sure about this choice but the map seems to be T>>P so he should do fine even though Movie's PvT is really good on macro maps
FBH is a great pick. I mean his TvP is supposedly awful, but Judgemet day is WONDERUFL for TvP, and Movie's PvT isn't that great, either. I can see him killing movie and taking atleast one more game off one of either Skyhigh or Effort, before losing to the next. I'd expect, if FBH wins, for Skyhigh to come out because they need to save effort for last to handle Jangbi and Stork.
On February 02 2010 19:00 Scorch wrote: You could also interpret this as Khan having less confidence in FBH than in Jangbi and Stork and thus saving them up for last.
Still makes no sense... i mean why not send m18m instead?
Well even though a coach might save their better players for letter, I still think it's better to aim for the highest chance of a win on the next particular match on the next map - because saving your best player for last might be harmful if the last map is favorable against him.
But yeah, we'll see if FBH can continue to live up to his current momentum.
On February 02 2010 19:00 Scorch wrote: You could also interpret this as Khan having less confidence in FBH than in Jangbi and Stork and thus saving them up for last.
Still makes no sense... i mean why not send m18m instead?
Hes atleast beaten Movie once before.
because it's a Terran favouring map? who gives a shit if he has beaten movie before
Core spinning range, second gate added. FBH starting his factory in base while his marine stands guard against intruders. Movie's probe is denied. DENIED
Movie's dragoon fails, does not deny a scout. Hero SCV gets in and sees everything. Movie being a lil cheesy protoss newb now and proxying something at 12 oclock it seems like.
Observer out for Movie, siege not done yet. Looks bad for FBH as Movie waltzes in and kills a tank. SCVs out to repair. Siege done, FBH is safe. Fuck yeahhhhhhhh!
Movie taking a fifth now at 9 oclock, FBH pushing down towards 6 oclock, but fears a counter attack so he's just stuck in the middle lollygaggin around.
Having just watched some of the Gosi[Terran] v Grape games, I really wish more tosses would keep obs with their army, it just feels like such a basic thing to do =/
On February 02 2010 19:27 Promises wrote: Having just watched some of the Gosi[Terran] v Grape games, I really wish more tosses would keep obs with their army, it just feels like such a basic thing to do =/
Tell me about it. Especially when arbiters are out - somehow a lot of tosses forget observers and just use speedlots to defuse mines
a LOT of goons lost to tank/vulture push out - is movie behind on upgrades?
2 vultures were attacking nex at 6, a bit ago stream showed probes transfering there, now the base is empty and on the mini map it showed probes going back home. ? And now movie is taking 6 again?
Movie reclaims 6 oclock base. FBH with no sign of a science vessel. Arbiter cloud is pretty big right now. FBH putting up another command center, looking to take his 4th.
1/1 for FBH. Arbiter up to recall shenanigans right now. Recall goes off at the nat, CC lifted and shit. Another recall in the main from Movie. Factories going down, FBH getting pretty much destroyed.
FBH finally cleans up the mess in both his main and natural, but his nat CC just fell and Movie's just chillin on 5 base right now. FBH has taken 12 oclock though.
Another recall incoming for Movie, goes off in the main. Movie tried to be pimp, stasising the units at the choke so they couldn't reinforce, but he fails. Not a great recall for Movie.
+2 for Movie, FBH with his first science vessels of the game. Stasis goes off on FBH's shit around his choke at the third. Movie rushes in with a ton of shit, but isn't microing at all, losing like everything. Terrible attack from Movie.
Movie taking lower right natural as well. That's what? Base 7? FBH wants to take upper left. Movie still with goon/zeal. Now has a couple HTs. About 5-6 arbiters out for him.
FBH holds it off pretty well, looks like another recall for Movie as he plays minesweeper in the middle of the map. 2/1 for FH. Recall coming at 12 oclock. Storm and shit goes off on a TON of SCVs. Everything goes down at 12. FBH rushing in to kill off the recall.
Another recall in the natural, followed by one in the main from Movie. FBH cleans both of em up, but I don't know if he can hold on for much longer. Armory down in the main of FBH.
Looks like Movie wants to take upper left. Another recall incoming on the natural of FBH. Nice stasis goes off on tanks. Nat CC is lifted, looks like it'll fall.
On February 02 2010 19:46 Holgerius wrote: Movie's build in that game made me sick and disgusted. Such abusive bullshit. I wish he had been up against a more competent Terran.
On February 02 2010 19:46 Holgerius wrote: Movie's build in that game made me sick and disgusted. Such abusive bullshit. I wish he had been up against a more competent Terran.
Protoss hate 4 laif!
Well when your opponent is so slow to get vessels and EMP, abusing arbiters is the way to go.
On February 02 2010 19:53 cosiant wrote: Did every terran who watched this game feel their ass tingle?
I could feel my blood boiling, I can tell you that.
Movie thinks he's such a bad ass, stomping one of the worst TvP'ers in progaming. Fuck, it's like a 5 year old beating up an infant. Can't wait until he has a rematch with papa Flash. Terran vengeance!
On February 02 2010 20:20 Mr.Felix wrote: CJ trying to mix it up for Jangbi. Even if he wins he'll be playing 3 different races in 3 matches. Might make him more vulnerable against Effort
well They're probably saving Effort for last. I'd say they hope to snipe Jangbi with a fluke, get destroyed by Stork then 1v1 with aces, rather than hope Jangbi doesnt pull a fast one and be completely screwed
I don't think it's that confusing why they sent skyhigh. He has a better chance vs. jangbi than vs. stork. Might as well send him now and if he wins then effort will only have to focus on stork (if skyhigh loses vs. stork). Who else could CJ's 4th be anyways?
Sure, skyhighs chances might be slim vs jangbi, but why not try him first? Effort still has the chance to clean up afterwards, and on more favoured maps than matchpoint. If they play effort and he loses, that'll be the match.
Just tuned in. Why would they send sKyHigh(or any other terran) out against JangBi? o.O Sure, EffOrt is not really in form atm, but PvZ is still JangBi's weakest matchup by far, while ZvP is arguably EffOrt's strongest.
On February 02 2010 20:27 Mooncat wrote: Just tuned in. Why would they send sKyHigh(or any other terran) out against JangBi? o.O Sure, EffOrt is not really in form atm, but PvZ is still JangBi's weakest matchup by far, while ZvP is arguably EffOrt's strongest.
Because it's Match Point.
In other news, Skyhigh's Vulture drop didn't really do all that much.
seriously that imba where terran can siege the min line from low ground needs to be corrected -.- Jangbi defends really well though, loses a few probes and 2 goons but not too much
On February 02 2010 20:28 GGruss wrote: Mooncat, it's not about winning the set, it's about winning the match.
True, but also in that regard EffOrt would have been the better choice imo. I had the stream on audio only though, so I thought it was Fighting Spirit instead of Match Point. On Match Point sKyHigh is a viable choice.
Jangbi saves the bottom right, Skyhigh tries attack the 12, probably will get all the workers at least. jangbi with MASSIVE goon army pushing into the third
Seriously upset by the fact that he SAW 2 base arbs and still didn't defend it well. He had a decent advantage and threw it away with bad defense and a really bad position on his first push.
btw, i hate when T are forced to turtle to win, nothing SH could do with such an amazing defence by jangbi except turtle more, wait and win (flash style)
On February 02 2010 20:50 Jackal03 wrote: got to be effort, time to clean up the tosses!
btw, i hate when T are forced to turtle to win, nothing SH could do with such an amazing defence by jangbi except turtle more, wait and win (flash style)
actually looking at the replay they just showed if he mined his flank it might have been a major win in that first big battle ^_^
lol wtf mobile football game? with commentaries?? hahahahhaa
have u guys been forgetting how much of a baller Jangbi is in PvZ? even though its effort he's facing, i wouldn't write Jangbi off that easily, should be a really good match coming up
On February 02 2010 20:56 Shizuru~ wrote: lol wtf mobile football game? with commentaries?? hahahahhaa
have u guys been forgetting how much of a baller Jangbi is in PvZ? even though its effort he's facing, i wouldn't write Jangbi off that easily, should be a really good match coming up
Jangbi used to blow at PvZ lol. hes on a 7 game win streak now, but he was 3-14 and 7-21 before that
On February 02 2010 21:00 Roffles wrote: Movie opting for a fast expansion. Looks like a 12 hatch from Effort is coming, no sign of a pool yet. Sorry, that's an overpool from Effort.
Forge first from Jangbi. Effort hasn't plopped down his natural hatchery. Just did. Looks like forge/nex from Jangbi. Lings are morphing, no cannon yet.
On February 02 2010 20:56 Shizuru~ wrote: lol wtf mobile football game? with commentaries?? hahahahhaa
have u guys been forgetting how much of a baller Jangbi is in PvZ? even though its effort he's facing, i wouldn't write Jangbi off that easily, should be a really good match coming up
Jangbi used to blow at PvZ lol. hes on a 7 game win streak now, but he was 3-14 and 7-21 before that
Yeah not sure what happened. Even after that Skyhigh game, I can't say for sure that Jangbi's absolutely crazy good PvT came back. On the other hand his PvZ is actually looking pretty good.
Lair going up for Effort. Jangbi sneaks a probe in base, stargate going up for Jangbi. Spire up for Effort. Robotics facility at the natural. Sair/reaver incoming.
Scourge see the robotics facility. Reaver is out at the natural, pretty decent sized sair cloud is out. Jangbi sneaks a probe into the main of Effort. Sees what's up.
On February 02 2010 21:08 7mk wrote: I'm not sure how smart going reavers is against effort
I mean effort practices against movie alllll theee time
Except Jangbi is the best reaver user out there and is not sloppy with his reavers like movie
Sorry but Movies PvZ > Jangbis PvZ
Well once Zergs know that Movie goes 2base all in each game after his reaver/sair it wont be that way anymore
Peolpe have known that movie likes to stay 2base longer than other protosses for a while dont pretend to have more knowledge than other Zerg pro gamers
Jangbi engages, storm kills quite a few hydras. Hydras running now as shuttle is out killing shit. Nice flank from Effort kills off all of Jangbi's force. Burrowed drones save his drones. Muta switch incoming.
Effort attempts to kill the third of Jangbi, backs off as Goons reinforce. Effort now has a few mutas ready to snipe shit. Also has taken 8 oclock main, which has a DT killing drones.
On February 02 2010 21:08 7mk wrote: I'm not sure how smart going reavers is against effort
I mean effort practices against movie alllll theee time
Except Jangbi is the best reaver user out there and is not sloppy with his reavers like movie
Sorry but Movies PvZ > Jangbis PvZ
Well once Zergs know that Movie goes 2base all in each game after his reaver/sair it wont be that way anymore
Peolpe have known that movie likes to stay 2base longer than other protosses for a while dont pretend to have more knowledge than other Zerg pro gamers
Im not pretending that I have more knowledge, I am just shocked that his style isnt figured out yet, all you have to do is mass 3 base sauron and crush his big push.
On February 02 2010 21:08 7mk wrote: I'm not sure how smart going reavers is against effort
I mean effort practices against movie alllll theee time
Except Jangbi is the best reaver user out there and is not sloppy with his reavers like movie
Sorry but Movies PvZ > Jangbis PvZ
Well once Zergs know that Movie goes 2base all in each game after his reaver/sair it wont be that way anymore
Peolpe have known that movie likes to stay 2base longer than other protosses for a while dont pretend to have more knowledge than other Zerg pro gamers
Im not pretending that I have more knowledge, I am just shocked that his style isnt figured out yet, all you have to do is mass 3 base sauron and crush his big push.
If it was that easy then people would have done that already and movie would have no chance in practice games vs effort who imo is the 2nd best zvper in korea. (though hes having a bad phase atm)
Jangbi finally opting to get some archons in his army. Jangbi flanking from the third and natural again with goon/reaver/archon/temp now. Effort is playing very solidly. Great storm dodging.
Effort played absolutely brilliantly that game. His storm dodging was really really good. Jangbi didn't play poorly at all. Effort just outclassed him that game.
On February 02 2010 21:23 {88}iNcontroL wrote: I'm a stork victory away from my dream match. 3wins (1 game winner) for fantasy and a khan victory for liquidbet
On February 02 2010 21:23 Roffles wrote: Effort played absolutely brilliantly that game. His storm dodging was really really good. Jangbi didn't play poorly at all. Effort just outclassed him that game.
indeed jangbi played very very well too one sick moment near the end was when effort attacked and jangbi was about to nicely sandwich his army coming from behind but effort brilliantly withdraw and somehow manage to save almost all his hydras
Effort was relentless that game, kept on attacking and being aggressive, never let Jangbi grow a huge ball and kept denying his 4th for so long, Effort's ZvP is sick and one that you can easily copy, textbook defense vs the reaver/sair too
On February 02 2010 21:26 samachking wrote: Effort was relentless that game, kept on attacking and being aggressive, never let Jangbi grow a huge ball and kept denying his 4th for so long, Effort's ZvP is sick and one that you can easily copy, textbook defense vs the reaver/sair too
I really really strongly disagree about his ZvP being easy to copy. There's a reason why you barely ever see effort style ZvP on iccup. This was not a display of typical effort zvp btw.
On February 02 2010 21:23 cokencheese wrote: No one's quite as good as Effort at riding race imba. Respect.
You have permanently invisible units and a spell that makes everything in an area die.
You start off with detection and have a spell that makes everything in an area invincible.
Terrans have units with superior range and rounds that make storm envious, as well as nuke-laying fastest moving&producing/most cost effective ground unit in game, blah blah blah.
effort is such a great player however he wont beat stork stork is a clutch player that delivered lately while effort havnt both teams aces although zvp is effort's best matchup and storks's worse stork will win go stork!!!!!!!!!
Citadel of Adun up for Stork, Spire going up for Stork. That zergling is STILL RUNNING LAPS. Oh it finally dies. Effort's killing those generators in the middle of the map.
Corsairs are out going pew pew pew. Speedlings outside Stork's base, evolution chamber and hydralisk den being plopped down for Stork. Three zerglings killing quite a few probes in the main of Stork.
Stork with two archons in his army to prevent zergling gayness. Zerglings running around being stupid, lurkers running into the main. Lurkers at the third as well.
Lurkers are chilling, pounding on the third of Stork's, but Stork's playing some good cannon defense. Storms ripping apart everything, damn. That mess is cleared up. Looks like a drop from Stork?
lol Effort blows his chance to finish it right there with a ridiculously bad attack. 1 storm gets 3 or 4 lurks and he loses his entire army muta follow-up though that will probably own a zlot-HT heave stork that's losing obs left and right
Effort wants to launch a mutaling attack at the third of Stork. All cannons go down, but Stork will hold as archons reinforce. Oh shit those fucking zerglings are strong.
Effort won't lose to any toss like this. Except maybe bisu have the highest chance against him. Khan made wrong tactical choice to put FBH first. Only he had the best chance against effort.
Most protoss players are loving idiots when it comes to PvZ. That's why they always lose against the zerg players who can tick off all of the checkpoints.
all the "pvz needs to be fixed" sounds like the 6months-year prior to bisu 3-0ing savior in msl...just give it time for builds to evolve and protosses to get better. Where was all the pvz complaining in 2008/2009 when protosses were owning, i.e. 6 dragon/taekbang era?
On February 02 2010 22:02 Holgerius wrote: Effort plays JD level SC sometimes. I really hope he can start performing in individual leagues next season.
Only efforts zvp is quite a bit more entertaining than JD's and I say that as a huuge jd fan.
all the "pvz needs to be fixed" sounds like the 6months-year prior to bisu 3-0ing savior in msl...just give it time for builds to evolve and protosses to get better. Where was all the pvz complaining in 2008/2009 when protosses were owning, i.e. 6 dragon/taekbang era?
Protosses are doing better already.
Please dont bring this topic up again just because two Protosses got defeated by a freaking zvp monster, its really ridiculous
On February 02 2010 22:00 Redshirt wrote: Most protoss players are loving idiots when it comes to PvZ. That's why they always lose against the zerg players who can tick off all of the checkpoints.
when the hell did this use of the word "loving" start ? O_o its so bizarre
all the "pvz needs to be fixed" sounds like the 6months-year prior to bisu 3-0ing savior in msl...just give it time for builds to evolve and protosses to get better. Where was all the pvz complaining in 2008/2009 when protosses were owning, i.e. 6 dragon/taekbang era?
Protosses are doing better already.
Please dont bring this topic up again just because two Protosses got defeated by a freaking zvp monster, its really ridiculous
all the "pvz needs to be fixed" sounds like the 6months-year prior to bisu 3-0ing savior in msl...just give it time for builds to evolve and protosses to get better. Where was all the pvz complaining in 2008/2009 when protosses were owning, i.e. 6 dragon/taekbang era?
Protosses are doing better already.
Please dont bring this topic up again just because two Protosses got defeated by a freaking zvp monster, its really ridiculous
what? i'm not the one complaining -_-
balance is fine imo, it's all just trends.
the 2nd part wasnt directed at you (but yeah it sounds like it was ^^)
On February 02 2010 21:58 Malinor wrote: On the highest level of play, it doesn't seem that protoss has an answer to zerg right now.
It helps if you don't let a bunch of lurkers run into your main.
I wasn't reffering to this game only. The dominance that zerg had over toss a few months ago has mostly vanished. But seeing Jaedong and Effort play, they just overwhelm their opponents. Of course Stork made a few mistakes early on, but Jangbi did not, and he lost in a similar fashion, unable to secure a forth base, while Effort slowly expands and secures map control, with endless amounts of units streaming onto the toss.
On February 02 2010 21:58 Malinor wrote: On the highest level of play, it doesn't seem that protoss has an answer to zerg right now.
It helps if you don't let a bunch of lurkers run into your main.
I wasn't reffering to this game only. The dominance that zerg had over toss a few months ago has mostly vanished. But seeing Jaedong and Effort play, they just overwhelm their opponents. Of course Stork made a few mistakes early on, but Jangbi did not, had he lost in a similar fashion, unable to secure a forth base, while Effort slowly expands and secures map control, with endless amounts of units streaming onto the toss.
its not like its impossible to defeat effort as protoss his last loss was 6 days ago. his last loss vs jangbi barely over a month. But yeah I sort of agree about the situation. But tbh I think zerg players are just generally better than protoss players atm.
The templar drop killing drones really do 0 damage in late game when they can replenish 20 drones in seconds . IMO drones are valuable in early game. Protoss should not waste energy to exchange gas for mins.
On February 02 2010 22:33 Baddieko wrote: The templar drop killing drones really do 0 damage in late game when they can replenish 20 drones in seconds . IMO drones are valuable in early game. Protoss should not waste energy to exchange gas for mins.
If storm drop kills 20 drones it is huge damage at any part of the game. Sure zerg can replenish them very quickly but that is 20 larvas that could've gone for units. It cripples zerg's mining at that base pretty much. If zerg doesn't remake those drones and chooses to make units, his ecomony is going to suffer so much with longer range. Either way zerg's army is going to be smaller.
On February 02 2010 21:58 Malinor wrote: On the highest level of play, it doesn't seem that protoss has an answer to zerg right now.
It helps if you don't let a bunch of lurkers run into your main.
I wasn't reffering to this game only. The dominance that zerg had over toss a few months ago has mostly vanished. But seeing Jaedong and Effort play, they just overwhelm their opponents. Of course Stork made a few mistakes early on, but Jangbi did not, had he lost in a similar fashion, unable to secure a forth base, while Effort slowly expands and secures map control, with endless amounts of units streaming onto the toss.
its not like its impossible to defeat effort as protoss his last loss was 6 days ago. his last loss vs jangbi barely over a month. But yeah I sort of agree about the situation. But tbh I think zerg players are just generally better than protoss players atm.
Probably the truth.
I wasn't trying to say there is nothing protosses they can do, don't want to start a useless imba debate. Just right now, the best zvp players are looking really really strong.
I hate to see Stork lose, but Stork has been playing good latelly and you will always run into a mine at some point. To do it vs a really good zvp player is nothing to be upset about.
Hmm yeah Effort's ZvP might be the second-best in the world atm. Actually, it almost certainly is. Can't touch JD's yet, though, I guess... Jd on a 15-game ZvP streak :/
Finally we get to see Movie win something, hasn't happened in a while. Was going to trade him if he didn't do well again, but I guess I'll keep him just for some CJ support. Gotta watch Effort vs. Stork when the VODs come out, mainly to see how that glimmer of hope for P in this match-up is crushed once again TT.
On February 03 2010 02:52 Ecrilon wrote: I like how Khan is apparently so confident in FBH's TvP now that they'll send him out against Movie in place of JangBi.
On February 03 2010 02:52 Ecrilon wrote: I like how Khan is apparently so confident in FBH's TvP now that they'll send him out against Movie in place of JangBi.
did you watch the game? he did pretty well given the 37% TvP ratio he used to have
On February 02 2010 18:11 JL13 wrote: damn, CJ starting off 0-3... it's still hard to imagine.
great > hydra
Gonna be close I think. I havent seen Great in a televised match for a bit, but his ZvZ is at least above average.
great < Movie
the final maps of this set favor terran slightly (looking at match point + moonglaive) so CJ'll want to save skyhigh/iris for those sets if possible. I could see Iris here instead of movie.
jangbi > movie
despite fbh's recent success, movie's struggled vs. P in the past 2-3 games.
jangbi > skyhigh/iris
Still a PvT beast, and these guys aren't named Fantasy/Hiya/Really
Khan < Effort
Return of last years winner's league playoffs. Effort goes into unstoppable mode and cleans everything up tonight.
On February 03 2010 02:52 Ecrilon wrote: I like how Khan is apparently so confident in FBH's TvP now that they'll send him out against Movie in place of JangBi.
did you watch the game? he did pretty well given the 37% TvP ratio he used to have
Yeah, but they still should not have sent out FBH to face a protoss who could take a game off Flash. I found it silly how they willingly used FBH to fight a toss, knowing that FBH is an underdog against all decent toss when they had 2 proven PvPers left in the roster with Skyhigh and Effort left on Cjs.
Should have sent Jangbi out to meet Movie then Stork in the chance Jangbi lost, forcing CJ to play SKyhigh or Effort. They would probably send out SKyhigh to meet Jangbi again based on maps and the fact they did send Skyhigh out for Jangbi in what really happened. If Stork had to be the one to kill Movie if Jangbi lost, then we would have been in a bad postion as Stork will then be played, won, and Effort would have then sniped Stork. Leaving FBH with 2 hard opponenets.
Assuming that the favourite won(Jangbi) vs Skyhigh, then we will just say for balance sake that the toss lost to Effort. We would then have at least Stork and FBH left for Effort. 2 Different Matchups which is alot harder for Effort than 2 ZvPs.
Movie didn't even do anything good, just expand and recall his rallied units into FBH's base. On a map where FBH could split it and better deny recalls, Movie tried the exact same thing and lost. I guess when you have Movie's control, that's what you've got to rely on, though.
Both players infuriated me, moreso because darling FBH ended up defeated =(
Just as I thought it was a bad day I clicked the other thread to check results. Fantasy is on my anti-team and I just dropped like 500 places FFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
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