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at tl live i see nothing although i installed that microsoft aplication and when i run vlc it works but the picture is so broken, is there a lower quality?
On January 31 2010 04:33 orgolove wrote: If you aren't going to have the infrastructure ready, please don't mass e-mail telling us to watch.
Seriously lame.
lol? tl provides this tournament and the great coverage of it to the community free of charge, and busts their asses to make sure it runs smoothly for everyone. just shut the fuck up and enjoy the games when they start
On January 31 2010 04:33 orgolove wrote: If you aren't going to have the infrastructure ready, please don't mass e-mail telling us to watch.
Seriously lame.
It is an unforeseen crash with the streaming software, it has nothing to do with "preparedness" unless we somehow find a way to simulate 5000 users connecting at once.
If you do not wish to receive our 1 email per 7 years of forum history, you may choose that option (there was a link at the bottom for you to opt out).
On January 31 2010 04:33 orgolove wrote: If you aren't going to have the infrastructure ready, please don't mass e-mail telling us to watch.
Seriously lame.
It is an unforeseen crash with the streaming software, it has nothing to do with "preparedness" unless we somehow find a way to simulate 5000 users connecting at once.
On January 31 2010 04:33 orgolove wrote: If you aren't going to have the infrastructure ready, please don't mass e-mail telling us to watch.
Seriously lame.
It is an unforeseen crash with the streaming software, it has nothing to do with "preparedness" unless we somehow find a way to simulate 5000 users connecting at once.
ignore this idiot
What?? Personally I thought hotbid gave us a cool and calm explanation of The Situation.
On January 31 2010 04:33 orgolove wrote: If you aren't going to have the infrastructure ready, please don't mass e-mail telling us to watch.
Seriously lame.
they are purely working for our entertainment ... i guess you can be patient ... i am going to wait till ever .. to watch this so i won't get discouraged for little technical difficulties and a couple of hours of delays ... i have the whole sat. night!
On January 31 2010 04:33 orgolove wrote: If you aren't going to have the infrastructure ready, please don't mass e-mail telling us to watch.
Seriously lame.
It is an unforeseen crash with the streaming software, it has nothing to do with "preparedness" unless we somehow find a way to simulate 5000 users connecting at once.
ignore this idiot
What?? Personally I thought hotbid gave us a cool and calm explanation of The Situation.
Doesn't work for me. ( I downloaded Silverlight, opened http://www.teamliquid.net/live/ and pressed start button. No action. I tried to open mms://live.teamliquid.net:80/ link in VLC and GOM, but there is an error - player cann't find anything to play. (
On January 31 2010 04:35 Xeris wrote: actually - people have every right to complain what are you talking about.
They have a right to complain but it doesn't accomplish anything good. At best it's a waste of time and space and at worst it ruins the atmosphere and turns people away from watching.
It's understandable that people may be frustrated, just please know that we are trying our best to get it running. The technical issues that happened were unforeseen, and if we could we'd have prevented it. All we can do now is try to resolve it as quickly as possible.
On January 31 2010 04:33 orgolove wrote: If you aren't going to have the infrastructure ready, please don't mass e-mail telling us to watch.
Seriously lame.
they are purely working for our entertainment ... i guess you can be patient ... i am going to wait till ever .. to watch this so i won't get discouraged for little technical difficulties and a couple of hours of delays ... i have the whole sat. night!
On January 31 2010 04:35 Xeris wrote: actually - people have every right to complain what are you talking about.
They have a right to complain but it doesn't accomplish anything good. At best it's a waste of time and space and at worst it ruins the atmosphere and turns people away from watching.
I never said it accomplished anything, I just said they have a right to complain if they want to... it's still stupid of people to complain, but they can o_O.
Just because TL is doing this for free doesn't mean people can't complain. If someone offers to fix your computer for free and he breaks it even worse... you're going to complain about it.
On January 31 2010 04:33 orgolove wrote: If you aren't going to have the infrastructure ready, please don't mass e-mail telling us to watch.
Seriously lame.
It is an unforeseen crash with the streaming software, it has nothing to do with "preparedness" unless we somehow find a way to simulate 5000 users connecting at once.
ignore this idiot
What?? Personally I thought hotbid gave us a cool and calm explanation of The Situation.
The crashing of my streaming software 's so unforeseen - it's called The Situation.
On January 31 2010 04:38 braids wrote: Doesn't work for me. ( I downloaded Silverlight, opened http://www.teamliquid.net/live/ and pressed start button. No action. I tried to open mms://live.teamliquid.net:80/ link in VLC and GOM, but there is an error - player cann't find anything to play. (
Btw, do I need special codecs for watching?
See the green countdown on the top of the page? Wait a few minutes.
Even the forums are acting up again, unable to handle 4000 people frantically F5ing
On January 31 2010 04:40 Xeris wrote: Just because TL is doing this for free doesn't mean people can't complain. If someone offers to fix your computer for free and he breaks it even worse... you're going to complain about it.
Even though you might not be entirely wrong, this analogy is just terrible.
On January 31 2010 04:39 Hot_Bid wrote: It's understandable that people may be frustrated, just please know that we are trying our best to get it running. The technical issues that happened were unforeseen, and if we could we'd have prevented it. All we can do now is try to resolve it as quickly as possible.
1) Were the games scheduled to be played live and streamed at 14:00? 2) If so, are the games being delayed and will be started when the stream is up or are we going to have to watch replays instead (on the stream)?
On January 31 2010 04:39 general.snus wrote: braids, it hasent started yet Hang in there another 10 min!
Why not to start broadcasting 30-60 minutes before games? It will help people to prepair for the show. I don't visit TL often and came here coz of email. And I wish that there were some clear instructions and links. I saw a link only after the beginning.
On January 31 2010 04:39 general.snus wrote: braids, it hasent started yet Hang in there another 10 min!
Why not to start broadcasting 30-60 minutes before games? It will help people to prepair for the show. I don't visit TL often and came here coz of email. And I wish that there were some clear instructions and links. I saw a link only after the beginning.
1) Were the games scheduled to be played live and streamed at 14:00? 2) If so, are the games being delayed and will be started when the stream is up or are we going to have to watch replays instead (on the stream)?
It's always going to be a replay so delays don't matter.
1) Were the games scheduled to be played live and streamed at 14:00? 2) If so, are the games being delayed and will be started when the stream is up or are we going to have to watch replays instead (on the stream)?
We always watch the replays because of lag. You shouldn't expect to watch it live...that's just unrealistic unless they flew everyone from around the room into one room just for this tournament.
Stream should be working now, please allow 3-5 minutes for people to connect, then the show will start. Hey, at least we're not the MSL :p All games were played without power outages
On January 31 2010 04:39 general.snus wrote: braids, it hasent started yet Hang in there another 10 min!
Why not to start broadcasting 30-60 minutes before games? It will help people to prepair for the show. I don't visit TL often and came here coz of email. And I wish that there were some clear instructions and links. I saw a link only after the beginning.
i wish ppl who dont come here too often would actually bother to carefully read OP and look at the green bar i wish
On January 31 2010 04:47 JIJIyO wrote: I forgot who said "hit it Hot_Bid" all the tie in the TSL..........Was it Chill? My memory is so bad. But TSL memories are so glorious =]
Yeah I loved that from last season. I hope they come up with an equally epic catch phrase.
On January 31 2010 04:48 Hot_Bid wrote: Stream should be working now, please allow 3-5 minutes for people to connect, then the show will start. Hey, at least we're not the MSL :p All games were played without power outages
I agree that the Stream Gods have to be satisfied, and starting the stream normally would result in a gigantic failure after all, but still this is getting ridicoulos
On January 31 2010 04:48 Hot_Bid wrote: Stream should be working now, please allow 3-5 minutes for people to connect, then the show will start. Hey, at least we're not the MSL :p All games were played without power outages
I was just about to call it the TSLOL... .
No, I kid, I'm just happy you guys are running this event. There's always going to be some problems, I can live with it. The fact we're lucky enough to have an event like this in the first place is enough and thankfully the issues don't effect the players.
On January 31 2010 04:52 shurgen wrote: anyone seeing anything? my WMP is just black (but i hear the music)
Yeah, same here :/
You can also try opening it with GOM player for video and sound. You could try fullscreen, but that also didn't work for me as the video was going at .5 fps.
On January 31 2010 04:59 okum wrote: Unfortunately tl.net/live doesn't work for me either. Anyone with a livestream (as in livestream.com) who will be restreaming?
On January 31 2010 04:59 okum wrote: Unfortunately tl.net/live doesn't work for me either. Anyone with a livestream (as in livestream.com) who will be restreaming?
Awesome intro. However, TSL1's intro was more catching imho. Higher spirit or something, I can't explain it even in my native language. I will keep enjoying it though.
Is there anyway to watch this without the microsoft silverlight video player? I can't get that to work for me even though I have it installed. I can't get it to work on gom or VLC either.
On January 31 2010 04:59 okum wrote: Unfortunately tl.net/live doesn't work for me either. Anyone with a livestream (as in livestream.com) who will be restreaming?
It just started working without silverlight video player. It used to say i needed it, the next minute it doesnt. I can't explain it. Anyways, does anyone know what it means in the bottom right. When the mineral/gas count freezes and the + is on the pictures?
On January 31 2010 05:06 s_86 wrote: It just started working without silverlight video player. It used to say i needed it, the next minute it doesnt. I can't explain it. Anyways, does anyone know what it means in the bottom right. When the mineral/gas count freezes and the + is on the pictures?
On January 31 2010 05:06 s_86 wrote: It just started working without silverlight video player. It used to say i needed it, the next minute it doesnt. I can't explain it. Anyways, does anyone know what it means in the bottom right. When the mineral/gas count freezes and the + is on the pictures?
Idra is being so manner. This is Bo5 dude. Humiliate him. Break his spirit to play in the next games. Make BCs or nuke. Eraser all his drones and wait to see if he will leave.
WTF, did Idra practice for this vs Effort with Iris standing above him and pointing things out all the time? Seriously, this guy is a monster, I'm totally not his fan, but i can't disagree that Idra's TvZ is BEASTLY
On January 31 2010 05:18 Holgerius wrote: Man, I can¨'t get any stream to work.
I couldn't get VLC to work for the longest time, but after trying for a while, I finally got mms://live.teamliquid.net:80/ to work for me. Keep plugging away at it...
Great great play from Idra there, his play for this TSL has been beyond any of the play I've ever seen him do.
sorry if it's been mentioned before but is the commentary like, 1 second behind the stream? it's not too groundbreaking or anything just slightly annoying.
On January 31 2010 05:21 Pads wrote: sorry if it's been mentioned before but is the commentary like, 1 second behind the stream? it's not too groundbreaking or anything just slightly annoying.
On January 31 2010 05:21 Pads wrote: sorry if it's been mentioned before but is the commentary like, 1 second behind the stream? it's not too groundbreaking or anything just slightly annoying.
Yeah, it is, I think there is an option to sync in vlc, but im afraid to fuck up the stream by doing it.
I have to wonder what the hell the zerg was thinking. He got a good lurker contain but decided he still didn't need a third and went to hive? Ugg even I know if I were in his lurker contain position I would get my third.
On January 31 2010 05:20 ..Slick... wrote: Artosis's idra bias is so annoying
Huh? why, cause he says that idra is the favourite for this? Thats just the objective truth
No, because " OMA GOSH ITZ IDRA HE PRACTICES IN KOREA ALL DAY IDRA THIS IDRA THAT IDRA IDRA IDRA IDRA IDRA " is annoying he doesn't even talk about the fucking zerg.
On January 31 2010 05:23 cz wrote: because the rines in the dropship killed the defiler den and spire and hive
Huh?
Scourge were never going to hit the dropship. The moment the scourge had vision of it it was already way too late. would have been incredible luck if he blindly scourged a dropship.
On January 31 2010 05:24 ..Slick... wrote: No, because " OMA GOSH ITZ IDRA HE PRACTICES IN KOREA ALL DAY IDRA THIS IDRA THAT IDRA IDRA IDRA IDRA IDRA " is annoying he doesn't even talk about the fucking zerg.
On January 31 2010 05:23 cz wrote: because the rines in the dropship killed the defiler den and spire and hive
Huh?
Scourge were never going to hit the dropship. The moment the scourge had vision of it it was already way too late. would have been incredible luck if he blindly scourged a dropship.
Because the drop did nothing. So if the scourge intercepted the dropship, nothing would've changed. That's what he's saying.
On January 31 2010 05:24 ..Slick... wrote: No, because " OMA GOSH ITZ IDRA HE PRACTICES IN KOREA ALL DAY IDRA THIS IDRA THAT IDRA IDRA IDRA IDRA IDRA " is annoying he doesn't even talk about the fucking zerg.
Why would you give a much worse player as much attention as a MUCH better player?
On January 31 2010 05:20 ..Slick... wrote: Artosis's idra bias is so annoying
Huh? why, cause he says that idra is the favourite for this? Thats just the objective truth
No, because " OMA GOSH ITZ IDRA HE PRACTICES IN KOREA ALL DAY IDRA THIS IDRA THAT IDRA IDRA IDRA IDRA IDRA " is annoying he doesn't even talk about the fucking zerg.
There's very little to talk about the zerg and why would he start to praise the zerg when he is playing terribly compared to IdrA? Sure if he now wins IdrA he'll get a huge amounts of praise and positive comments from Artosis, but ffs. you have to earn it.
On January 31 2010 05:26 Avidkeystamper wrote: That's what he's saying.
Killing a dropship with content is good obv. He didn't kill a building because the scourge did get lucky to see the dropship. But idra killed like 4 clumped ovies putting Xaiozi in the red fora while while Xaoizi had to defend which was a lose lose situation.
On January 31 2010 05:35 TheFallofTroy wrote: Is it possible for anyone to re-stream this on livestream or something? None of these programs are working for me and I have no way to watch this.
Someone said someone is streaming a few pages back.
SEn vs Draco will be a brutal rape as well, pretty sure SEn will 3-0 him; No offence to Draco-___-, but SEn is amazing. And ex-v1o)Delphi won 6-3 vs Draco today T_T; ZvP
On January 31 2010 05:35 TheFallofTroy wrote: Is it possible for anyone to re-stream this on livestream or something? None of these programs are working for me and I have no way to watch this.
Someone said someone is streaming a few pages back.
On January 31 2010 05:36 Cassius wrote: FallofTroy watch it on Wishbones Stream.
Oh nice, thanks a lot for that. I have been "sighing" for the last half an hour lol.
On January 31 2010 05:37 tree.hugger wrote: There's not much to say about that game. IdrA just played absurdly cleanly. It's hard to see who might be able to beat him here...
On January 31 2010 05:37 tree.hugger wrote: There's not much to say about that game. IdrA just played absurdly cleanly. It's hard to see who might be able to beat him here...
you really could have mixed up the casters another way. a P-T couple and a duble Zerg. XiaozI's build was really standard with getting the speed first and lair right after, and our casters suggest that this is sg unusal in this build.
On January 31 2010 05:37 tree.hugger wrote: There's not much to say about that game. IdrA just played absurdly cleanly. It's hard to see who might be able to beat him here...
On January 31 2010 05:37 tree.hugger wrote: There's not much to say about that game. IdrA just played absurdly cleanly. It's hard to see who might be able to beat him here...
ret.
sorry but just no
what? ret has already beaten idra in a bo5 before
lol its like flash vs jaedong (in terms of Irda = flash, jaedong = ret ).
Another upset hopefully when they play against eachother (hopefully they play against eachother ^^)
On January 31 2010 05:37 tree.hugger wrote: There's not much to say about that game. IdrA just played absurdly cleanly. It's hard to see who might be able to beat him here...
On January 31 2010 05:37 tree.hugger wrote: There's not much to say about that game. IdrA just played absurdly cleanly. It's hard to see who might be able to beat him here...
ret.
sorry but just no
what? ret has already beaten idra in a bo5 before
lol its like flash vs jaedong (in terms of Irda = flash, jaedong = ret ).
Another upset hopefully when they play against eachother (hopefully they play against eachother ^^)
On January 31 2010 05:37 tree.hugger wrote: There's not much to say about that game. IdrA just played absurdly cleanly. It's hard to see who might be able to beat him here...
ret.
sorry but just no
what? ret has already beaten idra in a bo5 before
lol its like flash vs jaedong (in terms of Irda = flash, jaedong = ret ).
Another upset hopefully when they play against eachother (hopefully they play against eachother ^^)
3rd rax, acad making for Idra. CC finished. Scan making, Idra waiting to move out, making scvs out of second cc. Pushes his way out, takes natural. Lair about halfway. MMF force moving out for Idra.
On January 31 2010 05:37 tree.hugger wrote: There's not much to say about that game. IdrA just played absurdly cleanly. It's hard to see who might be able to beat him here...
ret.
sorry but just no
what? ret has already beaten idra in a bo5 before
IdrA's gameplay has improved soo soo much
Ret could beat him, and White-Ra/NonY might have a shot at it. That's about it.
I wouldn't have expected IdrA to ever reach the level he is currently on, the amount of discipline and willpower is fucking sick, I really hope he can appear on proleague soon as he definitely deserves it.
On January 31 2010 05:37 tree.hugger wrote: There's not much to say about that game. IdrA just played absurdly cleanly. It's hard to see who might be able to beat him here...
ret.
sorry but just no
what? ret has already beaten idra in a bo5 before
IdrA's gameplay has improved soo soo much
it really really wasnt along time ago at all. Also who won in their very last encounter? On a Terran favoured map might I add.
But yes this time Idra would be more of a favourite, simply because ret hasn't had optimal practice environment while Idra has pro gamers specifically helping him for his series.
Xiaozi forced into a third sunken. Idra rallying outside zerg natural. Up to 5 sunks, making spire. Xiaozi taking a fourth base, below his main (min only base). Dual evos.
On January 31 2010 05:37 tree.hugger wrote: There's not much to say about that game. IdrA just played absurdly cleanly. It's hard to see who might be able to beat him here...
ret.
sorry but just no
what? ret has already beaten idra in a bo5 before
IdrA's gameplay has improved soo soo much
Ret could beat him, and White-Ra/NonY might have a shot at it. That's about it.
Irradiate researching. Muta harass not doing much of anything. Xiaozi making another hatch in main, still at lair. Taking to pright main. Idra moving out.
1-0 M&M with two tanks take down Xiaozi's 1-1 hydra/lurker attack. Idra sieging up outside Xiaozi's natural. 5 rax, vessels making, fact going. Xiaozi trying to bide his time. Xiaozi throws his army at Idra and does pretty much nothing.
Yawn... Such boring onesided games whenever IdrA plays. As much as I dislike him I can't deny that he is too good for most foreigners. But since people thought it would be good to allow him to play in foreigner tournaments... Bring on the yawn fests!
Worst games ever. First time to see XiaoXi play and the last. Artosis and Tastless are tired, the games started 1 hour late, there is a 4 seconds delay. PLEASE Draco, make me smile :D .
Great games by IdrA! Xiaozi did not have a real chance in any of the games imo. Idra did not risk anything but played damn solid and flueless. Hope the next matchup has some high level play as well
and btw.: TSL just rocks so much! Have been writing on a paper the whole day and can watch SC live at 21:55 CET
It looked like Idra's micro was just so far beyond Xiaozi's that it didn't matter how good an overall position Xiaozi was in. Pretty frustrating to watch.
Unfortunately that was a pretty one-sided series, but there wasn't much Xiaozi could do. Idra is playing way to well lately and it will take a lot to stop him.
it really annoys me to see terran users having resources around the hundreds, when they can use that extra money to either expand or invest in a drop that could do tons of damage
well according to dan, idra ranked 2nd in b teamers tournament @ CJ lately i wouldn't be surprised at all if he appeared in WL once to snipe some zerg, and if he succeeded, then who knows...
On January 31 2010 05:52 Sadistx wrote: Idra's TvZ is looking A-team level.
No offence to IdrA or something, but don't you think its a biiiit of an overreaction to call IdrA's TvZ is A-Team level because he beat Xiaozi 3-0?
I don't think he said that because he beat xiaozi 3-0, but because the poster believed that Idra's play looked as good as an a-teamer's.
You always play as good as your opponent lets you play. So I guess vs an A-Team Prozerg IdrA wouldn't look sooo overwhelming. He'd probably still look good, I can't judge about that, but he wouldn't win in such a fashion I guess.
But IdrA is amazing :-) Hope he makes it into a league.
On January 31 2010 05:57 Itachii wrote: well according to dan, idra ranked 2nd in b teamers tournament @ CJ lately i wouldn't be surprised at all if he appeared in WL once to snipe some zerg, and if he succeeded, then who knows...
Is that even possible to switch roster like that?
I hope this ray1234 is not some dude with 5 posts who barely cares about starcraft ^^
On January 31 2010 05:57 Itachii wrote: well according to dan, idra ranked 2nd in b teamers tournament @ CJ lately i wouldn't be surprised at all if he appeared in WL once to snipe some zerg, and if he succeeded, then who knows...
GG, Idra outplayed Xiaozi, i hate greg, his manners, his behavior, etc.. but he is a top class player, finally all the time expended by him training its showing us results. I still think that he need to be more creative, his lack of instinct its dissapointing, but he have really impressive mechanics.
xiaozi's last game was really good, great decision with going mineral heavy in the early game, spending it in sunkens, he could've went north sooner, perhaps not expand as much, but idra is just unstopable, his micro, what he does with the defense matrix, awesome game
Idra won't be on the A team any time soon. First he has to win quite some games in Dreamleague. And it seems they don't play him in Dreamleague after he lost and after all the other Ts did very well and because of TSL.
On January 31 2010 05:58 El Resplandor wrote: IdrA's mechanical play is without a doubt A-team material, u guys saw this dude macro and micro? fucking sick...
I dont know about that, his mins were above 1000 for a while in game 2.
Yeah he's amazing but stop throwing the a-team word around.
On January 31 2010 05:58 El Resplandor wrote: IdrA's mechanical play is without a doubt A-team material, u guys saw this dude macro and micro? fucking sick...
I dont know about that, his mins were above 1000 for a while in game 2.
Yeah he's amazing but stop throwing the a-team word around.
I joined the sc scene late enough that I've been been around when this strat was popular... it's hard to imagine hydra/lurk ever working in TvZ. Seems that lurk/ling is strictly better, no? Maybe if you can snipe tanks with hydras?
If you look up ZvP in the dictionary, you'll see SEn's picture. Seriously, I've been missing his ZvP soooo much, since the days of Longinus where he'd checkerboard 20 lurkers and crush any attempts at resistance. When he switched to Protoss, I felt like crying.
On January 31 2010 06:17 [X]Ken_D wrote: WTF.. why were all those dragoons wasting shots on the hatchery when they could had easily destroyed the sunkens?
looked like he a moved and took care of his main, tried to storm the mutas and stuff
On January 31 2010 06:17 [X]Ken_D wrote: WTF.. why were all those dragoons wasting shots on the hatchery when they could had easily destroyed the sunkens?
cause draco was very busy dealing with the mutas. But yeah that was a big mistake
Draco gave up air control by suiciding too many corsairs (--> muta counter) and miserably failed his goon/zealot/archon attack by attack-moving. No way to continue after that.
I think Draco could have broken that simcity at his third if he just used his goons to target fire those sunkens... he took over 1000 hp off the hatchery.
Draco could had done a lot of damage at 10 if he didn't waste shots on the hatchery. There were only 2-3 sunkens vs his protoss blob. Draco could had won the game right there had his multitasking been better IMO.
On January 31 2010 06:24 SkelA wrote: Preety sloopy play by draco think was a mistake that i LB Draco instead of Sen looks like this is gonna be another 3-0 .
sen played great last game but i would be shocked if draco lost 3-0
dont blame the simcity, he coulda had more lurkers there( not just 1) and coulda made a spore/extra sunken. He did rely on his simcity but his gameplan would work even without it, just need tighter execution in this case
On January 31 2010 06:25 Sewi wrote: I guess I never watched a PvZ on Destination before :D Shame on me!!!
Really???
haha, yes actually. Because I did not have too much time to watch/play SC the last few month I stuck to Tv[X] games only (I am Terran player of course )
On January 31 2010 06:24 SkelA wrote: Preety sloopy play by draco think was a mistake that i LB Draco instead of Sen looks like this is gonna be another 3-0 .
On January 31 2010 06:24 SkelA wrote: Preety sloopy play by draco think was a mistake that i LB Draco instead of Sen looks like this is gonna be another 3-0 .
sen played great last game but i would be shocked if draco lost 3-0
I dont know anything about PvZ to be honest but Destination looks like it is pretty hard for P to take a 3rd?! Anyway, gg. Hoping for a win for Draco now so that we can enjoy one more game at least
mah, darco is not well prepared... this tournament day sucks.. idra raped xiaozi without any problem and sen doing same thing to not too motivated draco
On January 31 2010 06:37 Sewi wrote: I dont know anything about PvZ to be honest but Destination looks like it is pretty hard for P to take a 3rd?! Anyway, gg. Hoping for a win for Draco now so that we can enjoy one more game at least
Draco has been giving up on taking a third for the most part and instead trying to break SEn's front door down.
On January 31 2010 06:37 Sewi wrote: I dont know anything about PvZ to be honest but Destination looks like it is pretty hard for P to take a 3rd?! Anyway, gg. Hoping for a win for Draco now so that we can enjoy one more game at least
i find it hard for z vs correct build, not the outdated +1 zeal bs. Zero was raping zeal/archon combo with just mutas on those bridges. Otherwise once map is split its actually hard for zerg to win
On January 31 2010 06:37 Sewi wrote: I dont know anything about PvZ to be honest but Destination looks like it is pretty hard for P to take a 3rd?! Anyway, gg. Hoping for a win for Draco now so that we can enjoy one more game at least
On January 31 2010 06:38 purgerinho wrote: mah, darco is not well prepared... this tournament day sucks.. idra raped xiaozi without any problem and sen doing same thing to not too motivated draco
stop whis whining, draco never "motivated". He was playing his brains out to get prepared for 10k prize( even 2nd place is sick with 5k) Thats decent money esp in dieing poland economy
he saw that eggs aren't hatching into lings, why build 2nd cannon, and third even so soon, 1 zealot 1 goon can hold early lings easily, third cannon should've covered the gas and back of the mineral
how did he forget how to ee +1 zealot archon, take gas earlier and you don't have to pump out so many zealots, back them up with more archons before you push out and leave the sairs above the nexus to fend of mutas and build cannons, 2 won't do in main, still no scouting with the sairs, 2 DTs wouldn't hurt either
Damn, that is soooo disapointing. Sen did nothing spectacular in games 2 and 3, Draco just fucked those games. Only game 1 was kinda good. I am a sad panda now...
I can't believe that Sen just beasted through Draco 3-0. Draco usually has a pretty solid PvZ, but I guess Sen just played too well and overpowered Draco.
On January 31 2010 06:38 purgerinho wrote: mah, darco is not well prepared... this tournament day sucks.. idra raped xiaozi without any problem and sen doing same thing to not too motivated draco
stop whis whining, draco never "motivated". He was playing his brains out to get prepared for 10k prize( even 2nd place is sick with 5k) Thats decent money esp in dieing poland economy
On January 31 2010 06:39 JWD wrote: man, Sen is beasting
really impressed by him
I bet in the post game interview he's gonna be like "oh ya I played neo outsider for the 2nd time in my life btw"
On January 31 2010 06:47 Bacondemon wrote: Draco obviously not prepared..
That is just not true
On January 31 2010 06:51 Gorgy wrote: artosis idra fanboyism just sucked. he never told why he was winning just "IDRA IDRA IDRA I LOVE YOUUUUU" and shit.
also the streaming worked terribly u.u. maybe some livestream casts tomorow? PLEASE?
On January 31 2010 06:51 Gorgy wrote: artosis idra fanboyism just sucked. he never told why he was winning just "IDRA IDRA IDRA I LOVE YOUUUUU" and shit.
On January 31 2010 06:51 Gorgy wrote: artosis idra fanboyism just sucked. he never told why he was winning just "IDRA IDRA IDRA I LOVE YOUUUUU" and shit.
also the streaming worked terribly u.u. maybe some livestream casts tomorow? PLEASE?
where are the replays?
Um, perhaps you missed the games, becuase it was completely justified, Idra, destroyed!! him.
On January 31 2010 06:51 Gorgy wrote: artosis idra fanboyism just sucked. he never told why he was winning just "IDRA IDRA IDRA I LOVE YOUUUUU" and shit.
They were more acknowledging how well Idra was playing. His micro from the very first 2 sunken bust in game 1 until the end of game 3 was sick, and of course his macro and control was better than most expected I am sure. Idra such a beast now.
On January 31 2010 06:58 Waxangel wrote: I was disappointed that tasteless was being so calm and even paced in his speech. It's like artosis crammed some prozac down his throat
he needs more cocaine and espresso if you ask me
Hahaha tasteless on cocaine. I can imagine it now.
He'd be setting a new world record for words per minute.
I guess it had something to do with the 5am casting time.
On January 31 2010 06:58 Waxangel wrote: I was disappointed that tasteless was being so calm and even paced in his speech. It's like artosis crammed some prozac down his throat
Draco and Xiaozi were simply destroyed. In retrospect, there was no point in either set, especially Draco vs. Sen, where I could see them pulling ahead. Seems like they just lost all motivation after the first losses.
On January 31 2010 06:58 Waxangel wrote: I was disappointed that tasteless was being so calm and even paced in his speech. It's like artosis crammed some prozac down his throat
he needs more cocaine and espresso if you ask me
It was 5-7AM, can't really blame both of them
that is very true of course but personally I feel that tasteless isnt as great a caster as he used to be, and I think he hasnt been for awhile. Recently when I rewatched Jaedong vs Flash in the GOM finals on motbobs stream I was like
holy shit I had completely forgotten how amazing he was at casting, the games were so bad and he still managed to make them so freaking exciting, his enthusiasm was just so huge, shouting at everything that happened . Maybe he's just better at solo commentating or sth.
Of course he is still very good and one of the best there are but imho he used to be better because he used to be more excited.
On January 31 2010 06:51 Gorgy wrote: artosis idra fanboyism just sucked. he never told why he was winning just "IDRA IDRA IDRA I LOVE YOUUUUU" and shit.
what are you talking about
im sorry for the "strong" language but he didnt commentate much on idras play or strat, he just went "idra will win" mode and just keep on telling how xiaozl ( ? ) had lost. i think the most technical thing he said was "idra has 7 rax" or sth.
maybe its the korean air or homesickness but he tends to overcheer foreigners that are in korea (the other one being ret)
On January 31 2010 06:58 Waxangel wrote: I was disappointed that tasteless was being so calm and even paced in his speech. It's like artosis crammed some prozac down his throat
he needs more cocaine and espresso if you ask me
It was 5-7AM, can't really blame both of them
that is very true of course but personally I feel that tasteless isnt as great a caster as he used to be, and I think he hasnt been for awhile. Recently when I rewatched Jaedong vs Flash in the GOM finals on motbobs stream I was like
holy shit I had completely forgotten how amazing he was at casting, the games were so bad and he still managed to make them so freaking exciting, his enthusiasm was just so huge, shouting at everything that happened . Maybe he's just better at solo commentating or sth.
Of course he is still very good and one of the best there are but imho he used to be better because he used to be more excited.
I agree. After Tasteless joined up with SuperDaniel in GOM, the quality of his cast went down from there.
On January 31 2010 07:08 purgerinho wrote: 5am > excitement/enthusiasm
Yeah that is understandable but my post was more of a general statement, not just talking about the games tonight. For example Tasteless solo casting at gom >>> Casting with Daniel Lee, although I used to like Daniel Lee a lot.
On January 31 2010 06:51 Gorgy wrote: artosis idra fanboyism just sucked. he never told why he was winning just "IDRA IDRA IDRA I LOVE YOUUUUU" and shit.
what are you talking about
im sorry for the "strong" language but he didnt commentate much on idras play or strat, he just went "idra will win" mode and just keep on telling how xiaozl ( ? ) had lost. i think the most technical thing he said was "idra has 7 rax" or sth.
maybe its the korean air or homesickness but he tends to overcheer foreigners that are in korea (the other one being ret)
By the time they were calling the game for Idra, he'd long since won.
Artosis does favour the guys that have been to korea admittedly, but I don't there was a single thing he said out of line tonight.
yeah.. tasteless was great at WCG coz that games were great and mean much more then GOm (where progamers play with mouse only) and here where you see idra playing with "some guy" or sen playing with unbelievably unmotivated draco..
i was excited before every TSL game but tonight.... after two games idra vs xiaozi i was x.x and same thing was with sen vs draco
Personally i really prefer commentaries where people dont shout. Enthusiasm is alrite but what i look for in commentaries and have always looked for in commentaries is when the commentators try to get inside the players' head and talk about what decisions they make, what decisions they can make etc. I watch games for entertainment but I also watch games to learn about starcraft. Its a bit more for competitve players then casual players and there are a lot more casual players here cant do anything about it i suppose.
A lot of people seemed to hate Daniel's commentaries but i actually liked his a lot. He mentions things you can try to improve your game, things you're suppose to do, what you're suppose to have at this situation, how progamers train, and even little stories about the pros. Things like in sc weekly by artosis when he mentions how flash took his nat gas and with scvs that he was going to use to maynard to nat cc he made them mine gas first before cc was up to get his fact earlier. Though I noticed it when i was watching the game before but im sure a lot of people missed it while watching and didnt know until artosis mentioned it out.
I think tasteless has a lot of strange stuff and some cliche-ish things in his commentaries nowadays. Like, "great game" even if the game was garbage, then stuff like "Now, he most likely bla bla for the next x mins y seconds" or something, and it never is even close and he gives no reasoning to why he thinks that.
He also always has some really strange analysis like with the game 1 starvation strategy he didn't really explain that the point was to cut off the amount of bases P can get but emphasized the easy fourth gas, which was kind of strange... I just don't like his casting too much nowadays. His analysis has never been too great but his humor seems to have dropped down quite a lot.
I remember watching GSI and smiling and laughing at numerous points during the games. Watching this series, nothing he said made me even crack a smile. I think Artosis had better humor today, and actually has the better humor overall, nowadays. Many of Tasteless's current comments seem like faked excitement and also some strange attempts of analysis that don't seem to work too well.
Unrelated to this, I believe it was very strange how neither Tasteless nor Artosis catched the obvious Hydralurk strat on Outsider in Idra vs Xiaozi. It was extremely obvious when the 4th hatch went down, and the fact that neither caught it(or at least mentioned it) when Xiaozi started researching ranged attack was quite shocking.
Overall, I think that Artosis was the better caster here by far. Tasteless made me feel kind of like what Gentho did while I was watching the Ascension cast way back in 2008. I pretty much was just waiting for Artosis to start talking again.
On January 31 2010 06:51 Gorgy wrote: artosis idra fanboyism just sucked. he never told why he was winning just "IDRA IDRA IDRA I LOVE YOUUUUU" and shit.
what are you talking about
im sorry for the "strong" language but he didnt commentate much on idras play or strat, he just went "idra will win" mode and just keep on telling how xiaozl ( ? ) had lost. i think the most technical thing he said was "idra has 7 rax" or sth.
maybe its the korean air or homesickness but he tends to overcheer foreigners that are in korea (the other one being ret)
The strat was 3 tank push into SK Terran, and he did mention upgrades and the speed of teching in every game iirc. There's not too much in-depth analysis you can do about such standard play, and I think he did fine. I think it's quite objective to say that Idra would win. And he did. It wasn't even close, it was a total crushing.
On January 31 2010 06:51 Gorgy wrote: artosis idra fanboyism just sucked. he never told why he was winning just "IDRA IDRA IDRA I LOVE YOUUUUU" and shit.
what are you talking about
im sorry for the "strong" language but he didnt commentate much on idras play or strat, he just went "idra will win" mode and just keep on telling how xiaozl ( ? ) had lost. i think the most technical thing he said was "idra has 7 rax" or sth.
maybe its the korean air or homesickness but he tends to overcheer foreigners that are in korea (the other one being ret)
You never thought of possibility that Artosis he got them into korea because they were talented? >.> Thus hypes talented people - only ones that deserve hyping lol
On January 31 2010 07:32 Ilikestarcraft wrote: Personally i really prefer commentaries where people dont shout. Enthusiasm is alrite but what i look for in commentaries and have always looked for in commentaries is when the commentators try to get inside the players' head and talk about what decisions they make, what decisions they can make etc. I watch games for entertainment but I also watch games to learn about starcraft. Its a bit more for competitve players then casual players and there are a lot more casual players here cant do anything about it i suppose.
A lot of people seemed to hate Daniel's commentaries but i actually liked his a lot. He mentions things you can try to improve your game, things you're suppose to do, what you're suppose to have at this situation, how progamers train, and even little stories about the pros. Things like in sc weekly by artosis when he mentions how flash took his nat gas and with scvs that he was going to use to maynard to nat cc he made them mine gas first before cc was up to get his fact earlier. Though I noticed it when i was watching the game before but im sure a lot of people missed it while watching and didnt know until artosis mentioned it out.
This is what I love about artosis' casting in general, I think we have that in common, but still, its not like tasteless has evolved from mindless shouter -> superanalytical caster, to me it just feels like he lost some of that fire (to use a cheesy word) he used to have.
@Shikyo I think you are a bit too harsh but I definitely agree that tasteless has acquired some habits, like you mentioned that he always says great game no matter if it was good, or something that I dislike is that when his partner says something very often he's immediately like "yeah definitely, 100% I have to agree with you absolutely" ( like when artosis said destination was the best map ever), it just sounds pretty fake to me and as if it didnt even matter what his partner said.
you are too harsh.. i mean, destiantion is the best map ever for many ppl and tasteless is a guy that don't want to gain attention around every little thing.. i like his casting coz he is positive guy (etc. great game).. and you know, if you have a partner you can't speak all the time: i disagree! you must be like one
I thought the casted games were chosen based on their potential entertainment value. I realise the admins can't predict exactly what will happen but it's not much fun seeing A players crush C level. - judging from what was on display tonight.
On January 31 2010 08:25 MartT wrote: I thought the casted games were chosen based on their potential entertainment value. I realise the admins can't predict exactly what will happen but it's not much fun seeing A players crush C level. - judging from what was on display tonight.
For those of you complaining about commentary, it's silly, these two are both good at it, i enjoy hearing what they say, and so do alot of others, i think what was said earlier about the games being extremely one sided, how pumped can you get when nothing really happens? it was purely 1 pushes almost all games that decided the out-come. TSL is great, lots of opportunties for the community, free coverage, prizes and pure fun. Awesome job by everyone, lets hope we get some nail biting 2-3's
On January 31 2010 09:43 Coffee wrote: For those of you complaining about commentary, it's silly, these two are both good at it, i enjoy hearing what they say, and so do alot of others, i think what was said earlier about the games being extremely one sided, how pumped can you get when nothing really happens? it was purely 1 pushes almost all games that decided the out-come. TSL is great, lots of opportunties for the community, free coverage, prizes and pure fun. Awesome job by everyone, lets hope we get some nail biting 2-3's
I just said that I thought tasteless isnt as good as he used to be. Not in my wildest dreams would I dare say that those two arent good commentators, the 4 TSL commentators are my 4 favourite starcraft commentators.
Ryoo: IDRA'S BODY IS A TANK! Your argument is invalid.
He's awesome what else is there to say? I for one hope for great games in the coming rounds. Still no big TSL2 meme though. It really needs that... I don't think "branking" will cut it.
What else is happening with the Ro16? I haven't heard anything about NoNy.
IdrA has amazing micro though, I'm disappointed Tasteless/Artosis missed pointing out some of his more ridic plays. Good job from them anyways though, definitely a lot better than the HoNCast set-up.
And <3 Sen, that was beastly Z play, but more importantly it was just extremely solid.
On January 31 2010 13:58 Jazriel wrote: What else is happening with the Ro16? I haven't heard anything about NoNy.
IdrA has amazing micro though, I'm disappointed Tasteless/Artosis missed pointing out some of his more ridic plays. Good job from them anyways though, definitely a lot better than the HoNCast set-up.
And <3 Sen, that was beastly Z play, but more importantly it was just extremely solid.
The other groups are being streamed tomorrow. Just check the calendar on the right.
Solid cast, one sided games but pretty fun nevertheless. Aside from the inevitable stream delay due to all the traffic the only things that were a bit annoying was the intro being much louder than the commentators and the slight 1-2 second delay in the commentary.
On January 31 2010 16:57 BG1 wrote: Solid cast, one sided games but pretty fun nevertheless. Aside from the inevitable stream delay due to all the traffic the only things that were a bit annoying was the intro being much louder than the commentators and the slight 1-2 second delay in the commentary.
Better a 1-2 second delay in the commentary, than a 10-20 sec lag every 2-3 minutes like its almost "normal" in OSL/MSL (which is mostly cause we're outside of Korea, but still) plus English commentary instead of Korean?!?
On January 31 2010 08:25 MartT wrote: I thought the casted games were chosen based on their potential entertainment value. I realise the admins can't predict exactly what will happen but it's not much fun seeing A players crush C level. - judging from what was on display tonight.
All of the Ro16 games are casted .
With the same commentators? Great, looking forward to watching them then. I guess I was just too hyped for the broadcasts and that's where my slight dissapointment came from.
Time to start hyping myself up again for tonights matches=)
It's great also that the vods are available on torrent as well as youtube so fast thanks for that TL.
Fantastic cast, meh rape games. I enjoyed the cast a lot, thanks TL and everyone involved with this TSL. It is a shame that there was no epic macro game this series, but you cant really do much about the games, and Idra's TvZ is pretty much looking invincible, I do not see anyone from the other side of the bracket taking him down.
Well these 2 series were easy to predict. Although I did think draco would win a game. That brings back some memories of when Sen was num 1 non kor for a while.
God Draco played so bad in all three games. If I ever meet Draco I'm going to punch him in the face for that complete disappointment. First 2 games were barely D+ protoss level. so bad
On January 31 2010 20:01 iNfeRnaL wrote: Better a 1-2 second delay in the commentary, than a 10-20 sec lag every 2-3 minutes like its almost "normal" in OSL/MSL (which is mostly cause we're outside of Korea, but still) plus English commentary instead of Korean?!?
Try a 4-5 second delay (in the vods i don't know about the live stream), but ya i mean what can you do, 4-5 seconds isn't too bad. And I don't care cause its tasteless and artosis casting together which is always awesome.
These series were upsetting... not that i dislike CJ_IdrA[Media] or DuskBin.Sen but ToT)XiaOzI( and BVG.Draco are two of my top 5 favorite foreigners... really tough to see them both get swept in the same day
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