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On January 17 2010 01:02 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Hiya's always had killer TvP, though today he just showed excellence in defending cheese and executing cheese. Both excellent traits, but a bit lacking in standard TvP play.
I do find it funny that he has a better record vs Stork and Jangbi than Flash, but a worse record against Free, Bisu, and Kal.
Same with Best.
Shame Hiya hasn't had to play any series vs top toss like LYH, though. He's got the potential but so far it's exclusively in Bo1s.
Excuse me, but where did Hiya cheese?
Or are timing pushes cheese nowadays when terrans other than Flash do it?
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SCV rushing a 14 nex is cheese.
If Flash does it it's cheese.
Don't know what you're on about. :>
I mean that aside there was still little standard TvP played today. That doesn't discredit Hiya's wins, but it does fail to dispell doubt that his tvp management may not be up to snuff.
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On January 17 2010 01:12 TwoToneTerran wrote:
SCV rushing a 14 nex is cheese.
If Flash does it it's cheese.
Don't know what you're on about. :>
Hiya went completely standard with rax after depot. 8rax vs 12 Nex might be cheese (I'd call it double cheese). But all Hiya did was a timing push with marines and scvs. I doubt he ever intended to sacrifice them, he just needed them to block the probes.
And we all know Hiya isnt a late game player.
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It is cheese, man. I'm not dissing cheese or anything -- I mean, + Show Spoiler +my favorite player just 14cc'd and bunker rushed his way to a final,
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I've got Hiya AND Stork in my FPL. :/ Great performance by Oz.
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On January 17 2010 01:26 virpi wrote:
I've got Hiya AND Stork in my FPL. :/ Great performance by Oz.
wow so this series was win for you
Stork wins, Hiya wins, both go to ace and one wins. 
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On January 17 2010 01:18 TwoToneTerran wrote:It is cheese, man. I'm not dissing cheese or anything -- I mean, + Show Spoiler +my favorite player just 14cc'd and bunker rushed his way to a final, , and Hiya pulled off a cheese as well.
its not really a cheese, if you do it properly theres no risk involved. you're going to kill the nexus, and you're going to end up a little bit behind, but not as much as if you had let the nexus stand. its an aggressive response to a cheese, but i dont think you can call it it a cheese in itself when theres no risk and no ability to do serious damage to your opponent.
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I never thought Stork would lose on Outsider against T. He has shown great confidence on Outsider and January always sends Stork when Outsider comes to play.
As many already mentioned he lost because being greedy but I think overall Stork didn't acknowledge he was playing Hiya that always been know for good timing pushes in TvP for a very very long time on the scene. You don't really see Hiyas management lacking until lategame and that is his weakness.
Stork should have gone for a safer BO from the beginning when he saw it was Hiya who was sent out. Once again another lesson for Stork to learn, the good thing Stork will only get better .
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On January 17 2010 02:51 InDaHouse wrote:I never thought Stork would lose on Outsider against T. He has shown great confidence on Outsider and January always sends Stork when Outsider comes to play. As many already mentioned he lost because being greedy but I think overall Stork didn't acknowledge he was playing Hiya that always been know for good timing pushes in TvP for a very very long time on the scene. You don't really see Hiyas management lacking until lategame and that is his weakness. Stork should have gone for a safer BO from the beginning when he saw it was Hiya who was sent out. Once again another lesson for Stork to learn, the good thing Stork will only get better .
Well then Odin will be a monster soon with all his lessons.
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On January 17 2010 02:34 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2010 01:18 TwoToneTerran wrote:It is cheese, man. I'm not dissing cheese or anything -- I mean, + Show Spoiler +my favorite player just 14cc'd and bunker rushed his way to a final, , and Hiya pulled off a cheese as well. its not really a cheese, if you do it properly theres no risk involved. you're going to kill the nexus, and you're going to end up a little bit behind, but not as much as if you had let the nexus stand. its an aggressive response to a cheese, but i dont think you can call it it a cheese in itself when theres no risk and no ability to do serious damage to your opponent.
So, it falls in that miscellaneous category between cheese and standard the same way 9pool speed, 8rax rush, and 2 gate does?
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On January 17 2010 03:20 gumbum8 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2010 02:51 InDaHouse wrote:I never thought Stork would lose on Outsider against T. He has shown great confidence on Outsider and January always sends Stork when Outsider comes to play. As many already mentioned he lost because being greedy but I think overall Stork didn't acknowledge he was playing Hiya that always been know for good timing pushes in TvP for a very very long time on the scene. You don't really see Hiyas management lacking until lategame and that is his weakness. Stork should have gone for a safer BO from the beginning when he saw it was Hiya who was sent out. Once again another lesson for Stork to learn, the good thing Stork will only get better . Well then Odin will be a monster soon with all his lessons.
*grin* no, he doesnt learn =) Killer did.
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On January 17 2010 03:20 gumbum8 wrote:Show nested quote +On January 17 2010 02:51 InDaHouse wrote:I never thought Stork would lose on Outsider against T. He has shown great confidence on Outsider and January always sends Stork when Outsider comes to play. As many already mentioned he lost because being greedy but I think overall Stork didn't acknowledge he was playing Hiya that always been know for good timing pushes in TvP for a very very long time on the scene. You don't really see Hiyas management lacking until lategame and that is his weakness. Stork should have gone for a safer BO from the beginning when he saw it was Hiya who was sent out. Once again another lesson for Stork to learn, the good thing Stork will only get better . Well then Odin will be a monster soon with all his lessons.
Wow u are so funny, ha ha. You just compared oDin and Stork.
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WOAH oz won without jaedong
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On January 17 2010 01:02 TwoToneTerran wrote:
Shame Hiya hasn't had to play any series vs top toss like LYH, though. He's got the potential but so far it's exclusively in Bo1s.
My theory is: SL's are elimination style, and players are bound to face all three races en route to the grand prize, so favor tends to shine on those with no weak matchups. Hiya can take on any P (except Spinach Toss) and is improving vs Z, but he is an underdog against any T. If Oz hires a decent Terran (not Lomo) for KSH to practice TvT with, I think he'll be more likely to do well in the SL's.
By the way, very snazzy blue shirts on Oz. I hadn't noticed that before.
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On January 17 2010 01:26 virpi wrote:
I've got Hiya AND Stork in my FPL. :/ Great performance by Oz.
And I have Killer too. Ka-ching.
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Why do jon747's uploads always cut out the ceremony...
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Bunker rushing a protoss fast expand isn't cheese.
At least, it's standard, it might be both standard and cheesy, but it's still standard.
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