Hwasin and Jaedong, Kal's gotten enough spotlight being tall and all... you know thats important! I want more TvZ, ZvP is delicious to watch but I get less out of it Especially when you see a triple-SSS class Zerg make the race look imbalanced.
On January 09 2010 16:39 Monokeros wrote: Hwasin and Jaedong, Kal's gotten enough spotlight being tall and all... you know thats important! I want more TvZ, ZvP is delicious to watch but I get less out of it Especially when you see a triple-SSS class Zerg make the race look imbalanced.
Well Kal could give Jaedong a run for his money . I would like to see a rematch of the S4 MSL finals .
Kal and Jaedong gonna advance. likely 2 other 3 - 0's. vP is hwasin's worst match-up and i don't see it improving today since match point and ultimatum seem to favour toss a bit over terran, Stats' vZ looks not bad however except Stork and Movie i don't think any other Toss can take 1 game off the current Jaedong whose vP win streak is 8 and counting.
On January 09 2010 16:56 SuperJongMan wrote: I think it's more likely Stats beats Jaedong than Hwasin beats Kal... ... lol... I would be so surprised if an upset happened tonight.
I think Stats has had a Shine-like run of players playing bad against him. He's not that good at all.
I changed my mind. Stats could be more dangerous to Hwasin or Kal in the semi-finals. Hope Jaedong does his thing, up to semi-finals/silver-medal finals.
This is going to be great. The MSL is way better than the OSL this time around. Better intro, better players, seeded matchups so JD and Flash are on opposite ends...
Also, it will be the MSL that Kal wins, and that alone makes it bomb.
EDIT: @ above: They did a little 'lock on, blow it up' thing.
On January 09 2010 17:12 Disregard wrote: Well at least today the direct stream with ferron doesnt suck ass. The other day it was terrible, MBC's server cant handle it.
yeah ferron is the least reliable and most fragile of all the options
On January 09 2010 17:12 Disregard wrote: Well at least today the direct stream with ferron doesnt suck ass. The other day it was terrible, MBC's server cant handle it.
yeah ferron is the least reliable and most fragile of all the options
Cant blame ferron, its basically a player that your streaming directly from MBC's server. Its not a relay. I do prefer it over OGN's WMP, since you have to login and the fact that the audio level cant be altered for some strange reason.
Hmz will hwasin be able to timing push on 3 bases before all 5 of kal kick in? seems weird to expand to 4th base now if you are hwasin, especially with this pattern.
Top left expo seems most natural next for hwasin but dno, he could take highground of his own base and take both bases.
Ok people it's (sort of) like this. Protoss tries to max off of 3 baseas quickly as possible. Then when they hit 200/200 they try to damage the T army as much as possible even if T is turtling. Then they can rebuild f aster than the terran while adding their 4th and 5th. If T maxes out too soon (ie: you dont attack when you hit 200/200) they will be too strong once they push for you to stop even if youre 200/200 because your resource advantage won't be strong enough yet.
Remember what "a certain someone" said. Just get half the map and sit on it. By getting the 5th Hwasin has half the map and can easily ride this out to victory and anger from the TL community.
On January 09 2010 17:35 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Lol Kal let the game slip away. So sad.
Match Point is bad for PvT. 8-12+ 1-11 during pre season testing. Because Terrans can use the high pods to spread out everywhere. I'm not taking anything away from Hwasin, I don't care about either player.
On January 09 2010 17:36 On_Slaught wrote: Remember what flash said. Just get half the map and sit on it. By getting the 5th Hwasin has half the map and can easily ride this out to victory and anger from the TL community.
On January 09 2010 17:36 On_Slaught wrote: Remember what flash said. Just get half the map and sit on it. By getting the 5th Hwasin has half the map and can easily ride this out to victory and anger from the TL community.
Why would Hwasin winning cause TL ire? It's not like he's the STX terran who knocked Bisu out...
On January 09 2010 17:36 On_Slaught wrote: Remember what flash said. Just get half the map and sit on it. By getting the 5th Hwasin has half the map and can easily ride this out to victory and anger from the TL community.
Why would Hwasin winning cause TL ire? It's not like he's the STX terran who knocked Bisu out...
turtle--> win by starvation causes alot of ppl to get pissed. this map is going to go above 60% TvP now.
On January 09 2010 17:36 On_Slaught wrote: Remember what flash said. Just get half the map and sit on it. By getting the 5th Hwasin has half the map and can easily ride this out to victory and anger from the TL community.
Why would Hwasin winning cause TL ire? It's not like he's the STX terran who knocked Bisu out...
On January 09 2010 17:36 On_Slaught wrote: Remember what flash said. Just get half the map and sit on it. By getting the 5th Hwasin has half the map and can easily ride this out to victory and anger from the TL community.
Why would Hwasin winning cause TL ire? It's not like he's the STX terran who knocked Bisu out...
On January 09 2010 17:36 On_Slaught wrote: Remember what flash said. Just get half the map and sit on it. By getting the 5th Hwasin has half the map and can easily ride this out to victory and anger from the TL community.
Why would Hwasin winning cause TL ire? It's not like he's the STX terran who knocked Bisu out...
Because he sucks, we love Kal and want Kal v Jaedong, and turtle Terran is so lame.
On January 09 2010 17:36 On_Slaught wrote: Remember what flash said. Just get half the map and sit on it. By getting the 5th Hwasin has half the map and can easily ride this out to victory and anger from the TL community.
Why would Hwasin winning cause TL ire? It's not like he's the STX terran who knocked Bisu out...
turtle--> win by starvation causes alot of ppl to get pissed. this map is going to go above 60% TvP now.
he's playing well in response to kal's early 5 bases, taking the peak where he could push to 5 and 7 easily was smart
I don't think people should hate turtle terrans on this map because it's the best strategy and many times protoss sort of "cause" it by taking many bases. Other maps are a different story.
On January 09 2010 17:41 Avidkeystamper wrote: I don't think people should hate turtle terrans on this map because it's the best strategy and many times protoss sort of "cause" it by taking many bases. Other maps are a different story.
holding that peak seems like a useful skill toi have
On January 09 2010 17:36 On_Slaught wrote: Remember what flash said. Just get half the map and sit on it. By getting the 5th Hwasin has half the map and can easily ride this out to victory and anger from the TL community.
Why would Hwasin winning cause TL ire? It's not like he's the STX terran who knocked Bisu out...
turtle--> win by starvation causes alot of ppl to get pissed. this map is going to go above 60% TvP now.
he's playing well in response to kal's early 5 bases, taking the peak where he could push to 5 and 7 easily was smart
I never said it wasnt smart, its just boring and causes alot of rage among ppl who hate turtle terrans.
On January 09 2010 17:41 Avidkeystamper wrote: I don't think people should hate turtle terrans on this map because it's the best strategy and many times protoss sort of "cause" it by taking many bases. Other maps are a different story.
holding that peak seems like a useful skill toi have
Okay, I guess I will admit it pisses me off when I see Terrans sieging up on that ramp below the pods and protoss have no way to attack. It feels really cheap then. But I don't play terran or protoss, or supporting many players that do.
On January 09 2010 17:35 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Lol Kal let the game slip away. So sad.
Match Point is bad for PvT. 8-12+ 1-11 during pre season testing. Because Terrans can use the high pods to spread out everywhere. I'm not taking anything away from Hwasin, I don't care about either player.
Yea its a tough map for P obviously. Just look at it Terran's dream vs P. But Kal had a real chance that game. He didnt execute very well late game.
On January 09 2010 17:43 Katsuge wrote: strategies are made in accordance with different map.. i dont see why terran shouldnt turtle on this map, since this map is all about map dominance.
For the sake of entertainment, its best to not go Flash like.
On January 09 2010 17:43 Katsuge wrote: strategies are made in accordance with different map.. i dont see why terran shouldnt turtle on this map, since this map is all about map dominance.
No one's saying it's bad to do to win, because the players' jobs are to win. But the audience wants entertainment and excitement, which turtling does not offer.
On January 09 2010 17:35 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Lol Kal let the game slip away. So sad.
Match Point is bad for PvT. 8-12+ 1-11 during pre season testing. Because Terrans can use the high pods to spread out everywhere. I'm not taking anything away from Hwasin, I don't care about either player.
Yea its a tough map for P obviously. Just look at it Terran's dream vs P. But Kal had a real chance that game. He didnt execute very well late game.
On January 09 2010 17:43 Plutonium wrote: Very sick defense from Hwasin.
I would say it was Flashesque.
Why would you say that? He defended his 3 oclock only barely, and then maintained a pretty high level of aggression after that, taking out the bases at the corners simultaneously, using his high ground to mount attacks at the vulnerable 6 oclock... It wasn't turtle terran at all, there was just talk about that in the thread.
On January 09 2010 17:43 Katsuge wrote: strategies are made in accordance with different map.. i dont see why terran shouldnt turtle on this map, since this map is all about map dominance.
No one's saying it's bad to do to win, because the players' jobs are to win. But the audience wants entertainment and excitement, which turtling does not offer.
I have no words to describe how much I agree with you.
On January 09 2010 17:43 Katsuge wrote: strategies are made in accordance with different map.. i dont see why terran shouldnt turtle on this map, since this map is all about map dominance.
For the sake of entertainment, its best to not go Flash like.
Do you ever actually watch any of his games? Such an ignorant statement.
usually i really dont like it when terrans turtle on 2 player maps and win but what hwasin was not like the typical turtle terran. Usually 12 would be kal's but hwasin take 12 forced actually kal to take 5 and 6 which is closer to hwasin's base making it easier to kill them.
On January 09 2010 17:43 Katsuge wrote: strategies are made in accordance with different map.. i dont see why terran shouldnt turtle on this map, since this map is all about map dominance.
For the sake of entertainment, its best to not go Flash like.
Fuck entertainment. If toss don't want to go carrier lategame on this map and want go to arbiters on a map that it is easy to shutdown they deserve to slam into an unbeatable wall.
That is like blaming a zerg on five gas for casting DS in the same spot for 5 minutes at two places while ultra grades finish ... it is how the game works sometimes.
On January 09 2010 17:43 Katsuge wrote: strategies are made in accordance with different map.. i dont see why terran shouldnt turtle on this map, since this map is all about map dominance.
For the sake of entertainment, its best to not go Flash like.
Do you ever actually watch any of his games? Such an ignorant statement.
On January 09 2010 17:43 Katsuge wrote: strategies are made in accordance with different map.. i dont see why terran shouldnt turtle on this map, since this map is all about map dominance.
No one's saying it's bad to do to win, because the players' jobs are to win. But the audience wants entertainment and excitement, which turtling does not offer.
On January 09 2010 17:35 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Lol Kal let the game slip away. So sad.
Match Point is bad for PvT. 8-12+ 1-11 during pre season testing. Because Terrans can use the high pods to spread out everywhere. I'm not taking anything away from Hwasin, I don't care about either player.
Yea its a tough map for P obviously. Just look at it Terran's dream vs P. But Kal had a real chance that game. He didnt execute very well late game.
honestly the game before and this game actually shows in management game kal is the superior player but the way hwasin prepared for this game. Really smart. Kal was abit too agressive at times which did costs him too.
On January 09 2010 17:43 Katsuge wrote: strategies are made in accordance with different map.. i dont see why terran shouldnt turtle on this map, since this map is all about map dominance.
No one's saying it's bad to do to win, because the players' jobs are to win. But the audience wants entertainment and excitement, which turtling does not offer.
On January 09 2010 17:44 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:
On January 09 2010 17:36 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On January 09 2010 17:35 TheFoReveRwaR wrote: Lol Kal let the game slip away. So sad.
Match Point is bad for PvT. 8-12+ 1-11 during pre season testing. Because Terrans can use the high pods to spread out everywhere. I'm not taking anything away from Hwasin, I don't care about either player.
Yea its a tough map for P obviously. Just look at it Terran's dream vs P. But Kal had a real chance that game. He didnt execute very well late game.
I don't know, what could he have done?
unfortunately.
Yes, in the end, it's really the map-makers fault. :/
On January 09 2010 17:46 domane wrote: Could Kal have played better? I think he could have sniped the CC at 3'oclock (focus firing).
At the time you are referring to he could have merged his two arbiter/goon forces and denied Hwasin the high ground. Since Kal had bases at 5 and 6, once Hwasin took his high ground it got very hard.
On January 09 2010 17:43 Katsuge wrote: strategies are made in accordance with different map.. i dont see why terran shouldnt turtle on this map, since this map is all about map dominance.
For the sake of entertainment, its best to not go Flash like.
Fuck entertainment. If toss don't want to go carrier lategame on this map and want go to arbiters on a map that it is easy to shutdown they deserve to slam into an unbeatable wall.
That is like blaming a zerg on five gas for casting DS in the same spot for 5 minutes at two places while ultra grades finish ... it is how the game works sometimes.
exactly, this map is basically Bluestrom 3.0, why do progamers stick to arbs so much? carriers would be better choice.
Marine rush doesn't work so well when ur opponent's units also have a range attack. -___- Why would Hwasin think Kal would go for 12 nex on a 3 player map?
Hwasin came THIS close to winning set 3. Sadly, his barracks were a bit too far from the optimal spot considering Kal's position, so his reinforcements were just a bit late.
On January 09 2010 17:53 Avidkeystamper wrote: Marine rush doesn't work so well when ur opponent's units also have a range attack. -___- Why would Hwasin think Kal would go for 12 nex on a 3 player map?
On January 09 2010 17:53 Avidkeystamper wrote: Marine rush doesn't work so well when ur opponent's units also have a range attack. -___- Why would Hwasin think Kal would go for 12 nex on a 3 player map?
On January 09 2010 17:53 Avidkeystamper wrote: Marine rush doesn't work so well when ur opponent's units also have a range attack. -___- Why would Hwasin think Kal would go for 12 nex on a 3 player map?
Wow, I thought Hwasin was genius targeting probes, if he had been building SCVs instead. If he was totally all-in he should have just targeted goons and made sure bunker got up
This is a good series so far. After last night's games it's cathartic. I say this because games 1 and 2 were both pretty cool and I like a little cheese thrown in to keep the viewer on edge.
On an unrelated note: I dont know whether I dislike bo peep or gee gee more as the Roffles anthem.
Also, when Hwasin started attacking the dragoon after he had killed most of the probes, he chose to attack the newly built dragoon instead of the damaged one... I mean, wtf...
On January 09 2010 17:57 HaXXspetten wrote: Also, when Hwasin started attacking the dragoon after he had killed most of the probes, he chose to attack the newly built dragoon instead of the damaged one... I mean, wtf...
On January 09 2010 17:57 HaXXspetten wrote: Also, when Hwasin started attacking the dragoon after he had killed most of the probes, he chose to attack the newly built dragoon instead of the damaged one... I mean, wtf...
yeah good point
the goon to the left was just liek ROFLl
When both have the benefit of a shield battery does it matter?
On January 09 2010 17:57 HaXXspetten wrote: Also, when Hwasin started attacking the dragoon after he had killed most of the probes, he chose to attack the newly built dragoon instead of the damaged one... I mean, wtf...
yeah good point
the goon to the left was just liek ROFLl
When both have the benefit of a shield battery does it matter?
um.. yeah?
even with a shield battery.. a weaker one will still die faster?
On January 09 2010 18:02 Avidkeystamper wrote: 12 Nex. If I'm not mistaken, this means Kal wins, right?
really bad for hwasin although not technically a bo win
I was referring to how protoss always seem to win (obv not always) after they 12 nex.
12 nex TvP is like 12 Hatch ZvP, if he opens with an agressive build you will have to work you butt off to fend it off, bur after that, you are in the lead
On January 09 2010 18:02 Avidkeystamper wrote: 12 Nex. If I'm not mistaken, this means Kal wins, right?
really bad for hwasin although not technically a bo win
I was referring to how protoss always seem to win (obv not always) after they 12 nex.
12 nex TvP is like 12 Hatch ZvP, if he opens with an agressive build you will have to work you butt off to fend it off, bur after that, you are in the lead
Apparently 2 fact is terrible against 12 nex, so no, it's not like 12 hatch ZvP because terrans don't scout it immediately and just respond with a FE of their own.
I don't really care what happens here. Obviously I want the best player to make it and it's probably JD, but Stats can prove otherwise. It's hard to really fluke a bo5.
commentators: words upon winning? kal: yes, it feels like it's been a long time since i've smiled this much commentators: wasn't it hard preparing? kal: yes, it was really hard and honestly there was a lot of burden on me. but the result was good so i will keep working hard and advance~ commentators: we remember you saying it was painful losing to jaedong in the past. how do you feel about facing him next? kal: i want to get revenge and though our head to heads is heavily one-sided, i want to balance it out now. commentators: how did you feel when you discovered the bbs in the center? kal: when i saw that, i felt happy because my build was in favor, but because of my poor probe micro i stumbled a bit. commentators: when your teammate did that, were you upset? kal: well, when it comes to winning, things like that don't matter. when i won that, i think i had a huge psychological advantage that helped me win the next game commentators: words for your fans? kal: as hard as it was for me to get this far, i will work harder for hte rO4 to show great games.
him getting past JD is a dream come true for stx boys.. and getting past him and flash will taking something short of divine intervention (cough forgg cough)
On January 09 2010 18:18 Smix wrote: commentators: words upon winning? kal: yes, it feels like it's been a long time since i've smiled this much commentators: wasn't it hard preparing? kal: yes, it was really hard and honestly there was a lot of burden on me. but the result was good so i will keep working hard and advance~ commentators: we remember you saying it was painful losing to jaedong in the past. how do you feel about facing him next? kal: i want to get revenge and though our head to heads is heavily one-sided, i want to balance it out now. commentators: how did you feel when you discovered the bbs in the center? kal: when i saw that, i felt happy because my build was in favor, but because of my poor probe micro i stumbled a bit. commentators: when your teammate did that, were you upset? kal: well, when it comes to winning, things like that don't matter. when i won that, i think i had a huge psychological advantage that helped me win the next game commentators: words for your fans? kal: as hard as it was for me to get this far, i will work harder for hte rO4 to show great games.
On January 09 2010 18:17 Disregard wrote: I love how majority is totally ignoring Stats chance of winning.
Ehm yeah, his chances are horribly low with all the experience jaedong has in BO5. Stats only chance is to cheese tbh, mindgames don't work on JD.
edit: too slow
btw, I'm interested in how a significantly large proportion of the population sample I've selected indicates that Stats has a low probability of success
On January 09 2010 18:21 dekuschrub wrote: i agree as well ^^
plus kal is not as good as bisu or stork everrr
How about right now? An argument can be made for Stork being better than him, but I don't feel that with a strong dose of reason and a cool head the same can be said about Bisu.
On January 09 2010 18:18 Smix wrote: commentators: words upon winning? kal: yes, it feels like it's been a long time since i've smiled this much commentators: wasn't it hard preparing? kal: yes, it was really hard and honestly there was a lot of burden on me. but the result was good so i will keep working hard and advance~ commentators: we remember you saying it was painful losing to jaedong in the past. how do you feel about facing him next? kal: i want to get revenge and though our head to heads is heavily one-sided, i want to balance it out now. commentators: how did you feel when you discovered the bbs in the center? kal: when i saw that, i felt happy because my build was in favor, but because of my poor probe micro i stumbled a bit. commentators: when your teammate did that, were you upset? kal: well, when it comes to winning, things like that don't matter. when i won that, i think i had a huge psychological advantage that helped me win the next game commentators: words for your fans? kal: as hard as it was for me to get this far, i will work harder for hte rO4 to show great games.
On January 09 2010 18:17 Disregard wrote: I love how majority is totally ignoring Stats chance of winning.
It's Jaedong in a ZvP IN A Bo5!
If Jaedong loses we can really say slump
No. We would say "ok 65% means you still lose 35% of the time .... go figure"
I hate all this crap about if X loses he is slumping.
Flash could fall out of both leagues within 4 days and even if he does, he STILL wouldn't be slumping his stats would just be averaging out. Just like jaedong HAD to start losing ZvZ and Iloveoov HAD to start losing TvZ and savior HAD to fall ZvP.
Everybody HAS to lose in the pro gaming world. flashes 70% still means that out of ten games he will lose three. If five of those are in a series, and he loses 3 out of 5 he is still playing at his level as long as he wins the next five in a row. All this slumping nonsense drives me nutts.
There is Peaking. There is resting on a mesa. There is crashing and burning.
Slumping is nothing more then the averaging out of insane peaks.
On January 09 2010 18:18 Smix wrote: commentators: words upon winning? kal: yes, it feels like it's been a long time since i've smiled this much commentators: wasn't it hard preparing? kal: yes, it was really hard and honestly there was a lot of burden on me. but the result was good so i will keep working hard and advance~ commentators: we remember you saying it was painful losing to jaedong in the past. how do you feel about facing him next? kal: i want to get revenge and though our head to heads is heavily one-sided, i want to balance it out now. commentators: how did you feel when you discovered the bbs in the center? kal: when i saw that, i felt happy because my build was in favor, but because of my poor probe micro i stumbled a bit. commentators: when your teammate did that, were you upset? kal: well, when it comes to winning, things like that don't matter. when i won that, i think i had a huge psychological advantage that helped me win the next game commentators: words for your fans? kal: as hard as it was for me to get this far, i will work harder for hte rO4 to show great games.
Wow, I didnt know one gate core with skipping zealots even is actually "in favor of" against a BBS, I'll write this down
Now here's to hoping Stats gives us a strangely good fight, but doesnt upset a Kal vs JD semi
i sense rape. 1 sair, no more producing, and no cannons. wow Stats, sair DT doesnt work without the sairs. hes about to lose his archon too. this is just pathetic.
On January 09 2010 18:42 QibingZero wrote: Jaedong making it look so incredibly easy...
you mean stats making it look so incredibly hard? he got 1 sair, no cannons, and no archons. no fucking air defence vs 3 hatch spire. wtf did he think was going to happen?
On January 09 2010 18:41 Katsuge wrote: stats is so bad
You are a poster of immense quality. After your ban you should compete with the mods by creating new accounts like crazy with names that are personal insults to respected forumers.
On January 09 2010 18:44 QibingZero wrote: Super dragoon attack goooooooo
Seriously, pure dragoon vs zerg? Really? That's about the least threatening thing ever.
Tell that to Movie =P plus it works vs alot of lurks and a few lings, which is what JD had until recently. too bad Stats has no observers. its like hes 3 steps behind all the time
On January 09 2010 18:44 QibingZero wrote: Super dragoon attack goooooooo
Seriously, pure dragoon vs zerg? Really? That's about the least threatening thing ever.
LOL have you ever played against those one base build? Or 3 gate goon?
Well, obviously the fact it comes this late in the game is implied. Jaedong had hive morphing (and 4 bases) by the time the pure dragoon was reaching his nat. =P
Early 1 base dragoon/reaver timing vZ is sexy though. I'd love to see some of that.
This is how it goes down when lesser P face jaedong - They think he is near unbeatable and try to "get away" with some unusually greedy stuff or plain cheese. When they get punished for it, they are like "ok fuck it, at least I tried" and bend over... I dont expect much resistance from Stats throughout the last game T_T
On January 09 2010 18:57 Drazzzt wrote: Uah. Am I wrong or does Stats play terrible?
Hard to say. He hasn't played enough games to make any sweeping conclusions, but his record seems to indicate that you are wrong. If you're talking just about this game, he's 2 games down vs JD, which may play a role.
On January 09 2010 18:57 Drazzzt wrote: Uah. Am I wrong or does Stats play terrible?
Hard to say. He hasn't played enough games to make any sweeping conclusions, but his record seems to indicate that you are wrong. If you're talking just about this game, he's 2 games down vs JD, which may play a role.
Yeah, maybe. haven't seen many games from him. But I though he was better. But anyways, playing on such a stage vs Jaedong might not be the easiest thing to do
That reminded me EXACTLY of Jaedong Vs shuttle from gomtv season 1. Each game jaedong had a game plan that made toss misplay the midgame the following game .....
Jaedong is a master of raping bad protoss players.
On January 09 2010 19:07 meegrean wrote: rape. stats sucks.
He doesn't. His PvZ just isn't on the level of his PvT or even his PvP right now, so playing against the best ZvP player in the world is going to be hard. Plus he always has trouble with his nerves
flash vs kwanro and kal vs jaedong, both great semifinals imho. i just hope the finals will be flash vs jaedong or flash vs kal. in the end its gonna be kwanro vs jd, over in less than 30 minutes...
On January 09 2010 19:11 Black Gun wrote: hb and gz jaedong. that was one hell of a rape.
flash vs kwanro and kal vs jaedong, both great semifinals imho. i just hope the finals will be flash vs jaedong or flash vs kal. in the end its gonna be kwanro vs jd, over in less than 30 minutes...
I think I'd give about 4:1 for it being anything other than Flash vs Jaedong finals. Jaedong having a decent amount of prep time for games is incredibly scary, and I'll be surprised if he doesn't take the MSL as a result.
We'll have to see how Flash holds up under his upcoming intense practice schedule. He's already not scheduled to play in one of KT's matches this week.
commentators: 3-0 you are in the semifinals! congrats! how do you feel? jaedong: yes.. i feel better than i thought i would. though i haven't reached the finals, last time i reached the semifinals, and this time i will pass the semifinals and reach the finals to win. commentators: last time you said you wanted to get revenge. did you know you had a 10 streak win against protoss recently? jaedong: i knew i was doing well against protoss so i came here knowing i would win. commentators: you will be playing kal. a lot of people are heavily anticipating a finals with you and flash! you've been winning against everyone but only lost to flash. are you looking forward to that? jaedong: well, once i get to the finals and play flash, i think that would be a grand finals match i'd be honored to play in. i am also in debt so i think this is a good opportunity for me. so in this finals, i will make sure to play flash and have a great revenge. commentators: well in order to achieve that, he must first beat kal. well no matter woh he plays in the finals, reaching the finalsi n itself is a huge feat! last words? jaedong: i have played him before and won, and i'm winning head to heads but i will make sure not to lose focus, and in order to repay the fact that i lost last time in ro4, i will make sure it doesn't happen again this time. commentators: happy birthday jaedong!
JD Interview translation from abascus in my channel. Huge props to him, and I claim absolutely no credit:
JD:I havent won yet, but last time i got to semifinals. This time I want to win the MSL Q: Kal said he wants to beat you in the finals. Did you know you have 12 straight wins against protoss? JD: I came prepared. I was playing to win. I want to set records as well Q: Kal is also protoss. The stage is set for record setting. Many people are waiting for JD vs Flash. Are you ready for it? JD: Yea. I want to get to the finals against Flash. I have debt against Flash. This is a good opportunity for me. I want to get my revenge Q: FIrst you have to get past Kal. The situation is dramatic between Jaedong and Flash. The best player will win JD: I've fought Kal many times. I will not underestimate him. My goal is to win MSL. I'm not going be eliminated in the semi-finals
On January 09 2010 19:13 Smix wrote: commentators: 3-0 you are in the semifinals! congrats! how do you feel? jaedong: yes.. i feel better than i thought i would. though i haven't reached the finals, last time i reached the semifinals, and this time i will pass the semifinals and reach the finals to win. commentators: last time you said you wanted to get revenge. did you know you had a 10 streak win against protoss recently? jaedong: i knew i was doing well against protoss so i came here knowing i would win. commentators: you will be playing kal. a lot of people are heavily anticipating a finals with you and flash! you've been winning against everyone but only lost to flash. are you looking forward to that? jaedong: well, once i get to the finals and play flash, i think that would be a grand finals match i'd be honored to play in. i am also in debt so i think this is a good opportunity for me. so in this finals, i will make sure to play flash and have a great revenge. commentators: well in order to achieve that, he must first beat kal. well no matter woh he plays in the finals, reaching the finalsi n itself is a huge feat! last words? jaedong: i have played him before and won, and i'm winning head to heads but i will make sure not to lose focus, and in order to repay the fact that i lost last time in ro4, i will make sure it doesn't happen again this time. commentators: happy birthday jaedong!
On January 09 2010 19:13 Smix wrote: commentators: 3-0 you are in the semifinals! congrats! how do you feel? jaedong: yes.. i feel better than i thought i would. though i haven't reached the finals, last time i reached the semifinals, and this time i will pass the semifinals and reach the finals to win. commentators: last time you said you wanted to get revenge. did you know you had a 10 streak win against protoss recently? jaedong: i knew i was doing well against protoss so i came here knowing i would win. commentators: you will be playing kal. a lot of people are heavily anticipating a finals with you and flash! you've been winning against everyone but only lost to flash. are you looking forward to that? jaedong: well, once i get to the finals and play flash, i think that would be a grand finals match i'd be honored to play in. i am also in debt so i think this is a good opportunity for me. so in this finals, i will make sure to play flash and have a great revenge. commentators: well in order to achieve that, he must first beat kal. well no matter woh he plays in the finals, reaching the finalsi n itself is a huge feat! last words? jaedong: i have played him before and won, and i'm winning head to heads but i will make sure not to lose focus, and in order to repay the fact that i lost last time in ro4, i will make sure it doesn't happen again this time. commentators: happy birthday jaedong!
On January 09 2010 19:12 banana wrote: Semi's are looking excellent now, kwanro's slot could have been better but oh well. At least his games are not standart.
imho kwanro has a better chance against flashs tvz style than most others. and kwanro knocked him out of the last msl.....
btw i just saw that jaedong and kal are gonna play a match on outsider in their upcoming pl series next week.
On January 09 2010 19:12 banana wrote: Semi's are looking excellent now, kwanro's slot could have been better but oh well. At least his games are not standart.
imho kwanro has a better chance against flashs tvz style than most others. and kwanro knocked him out of the last msl.....
Flash is 2-0 against Kwanro this season and neither of those games were close.
Of course, a Bo5 is different from a Bo1, but still.
JD 3-0ed his OSL-group 2-0ed his MSL-group, 2-0 against Firefist and 3-0 against stats (plus a very reasonable record in PL, including 4-0 in ace-matches). If it weren't for Flashs monster-run right now, JD would dominate like last year.
Funny how one player can change everything within a short time.
On January 09 2010 19:14 Mystlord wrote: JD Interview translation from abascus in my channel. Huge props to him, and I claim absolutely no credit:
JD:I havent won yet, but last time i got to semifinals. This time I want to win the MSL Q: Kal said he wants to beat you in the finals. Did you know you have 12 straight wins against protoss? JD: I came prepared. I was playing to win. I want to set records as well Q: Kal is also protoss. The stage is set for record setting. Many people are waiting for JD vs Flash. Are you ready for it? JD: Yea. I want to get to the finals against Flash. I have debt against Flash. This is a good opportunity for me. I want to get my revenge Q: FIrst you have to get past Kal. The situation is dramatic between Jaedong and Flash. The best player will win JD: I've fought Kal many times. I will not underestimate him. My goal is to win MSL. I'm not going be eliminated in the semi-finals
abascus: you are a fucking hero.
mystlord you are pretty cool too. huge thanks to you both
On January 09 2010 19:12 banana wrote: Semi's are looking excellent now, kwanro's slot could have been better but oh well. At least his games are not standart.
imho kwanro has a better chance against flashs tvz style than most others. and kwanro knocked him out of the last msl.....
btw i just saw that jaedong and kal are gonna play a match on outsider in their upcoming pl series next week.
Kwanro is the only zerg who might have a chance to beat this insane flash that has developed over the last two months.
His weird aggression/micro/timing can tilt the flash machine.
As of right now if jaedong and flash played today. Jaedong would lose. He NEEDS to find himself ZvT again.
On January 09 2010 19:20 3nickma wrote: Lol Jaedong vs. Kal in upcoming PL Maybe we'll have a little indicator of what to expect.
Everytime jaedong is in the semi's this happends.
fuck I know this is the 3rd time it has happend where he has a PL match right before a best of against the same player ....
His match against hwasin, his match against bisu (gom special match) his match against Kal now and I know there is another time that I can't remember. hmmm.
Wow, Jaedong has now equaled Bisu's vP Elo peak and if he wins his ProLeague game against Kal he will likely equal or break SaviOr's vP peak. Not bad considering Jaedong was considered a (relatively) poor vP player when he first broke into the scene.
Damn, if JD wins against Kal in PL he will break Saviors ZvP Peak (and be the only player with two #1 ELO peaks in individual matchups). Good to see that someone who is not Flash can still set records nowadays
On January 09 2010 19:20 3nickma wrote: Lol Jaedong vs. Kal in upcoming PL Maybe we'll have a little indicator of what to expect.
Everytime jaedong is in the semi's this happends.
fuck I know this is the 3rd time it has happend where he has a PL match right before a best of against the same player ....
His match against hwasin, his match against bisu (gom special match) his match against Kal now and I know there is another time that I can't remember. hmmm.
should be an advantage for jd. if he wins the pl match before the boX-series, he got the psychological edge. if he loses, he can start with the anger-mode in the first game of the boX.
On January 09 2010 19:19 Ikonn wrote: Of course, a Bo5 is different from a Bo1, but still.
Yes. A Bo5 means an upset is less likely than a Bo1, and the player with more experience is more heavily rewarded--both of which tilt things further in Flash's favor.
On January 09 2010 19:19 Ikonn wrote: Of course, a Bo5 is different from a Bo1, but still.
Yes. A Bo5 means an upset is less likely than a Bo1, and the player with more experience is more heavily rewarded--both of which tilt things further in Flash's favor.
Jaedong vs Kal? Wow, but to be honest Kal CAN definitely beat Jaedong juding by the condition he is in. Kal have some of the best ZvP players to train with July for super aggressive, by.Hero for a Macro game and Calm for mind games. But then Jaedong is Jaedong.
On January 10 2010 02:45 Xiphos wrote: Jaedong vs Kal? Wow, but to be honest Kal CAN definitely beat Jaedong juding by the condition he is in. Kal have some of the best ZvP players to train with July for super aggressive, by.Hero for a Macro game and Calm for mind games. But then Jaedong is Jaedong.
Yah. I know right? Kal is in the best house to practice PvZ.
I feel there's an 80% chance of flash vs jd finals at least. As stated before, Kal has strong pvz, but strong is just not good enough to beat JD in a bo5, you need to be spectalur.
On January 09 2010 19:12 banana wrote: Semi's are looking excellent now, kwanro's slot could have been better but oh well. At least his games are not standart.
imho kwanro has a better chance against flashs tvz style than most others. and kwanro knocked him out of the last msl.....
btw i just saw that jaedong and kal are gonna play a match on outsider in their upcoming pl series next week.
Yes the Last MSL...which really has no bearing on this MSL because well...Flash is playing MUCH MUCH better, and he wasn't even that bad in the Lost Saga.
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Especially when you see a triple-SSS class Zerg make the race look imbalanced.
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plz!
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