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On December 18 2009 19:57 Fontong wrote:
i relish every victory protoss has against zerg in this dark age of aiur
This.
I don't understand why Protoss don't go Corsair/Reaver often anymore... it's all ground army now... Now all the Protoss players went 1-2 corsairs, then ground army. No harass whatsoever. Isn't the corsair the unit that's what started this revolution? Harass the economy, and then roll them with superior Protoss macro... Seems like Muta sniping H.T became the norm because Corsairs aren't utilised as much anymore
Thoughts?
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On December 18 2009 20:04 Shikyo wrote:I think I should switch from Z to P and become a progamer
ya, because we all know apm is all that matters.
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On December 18 2009 20:02 sashkata wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2009 19:59 UGC4 wrote:On December 18 2009 19:57 meeple wrote:
What did ZerO do wrong? He had a good economy... lots of hydras and lurkers. He even sniped all the ht? But yet he still wasn't able to break down Movie's army. good economy...hmm, did you miss when movie raped some of those drones with a few zealots? zero lost a lot of mining time moving them around. oh, and did you forget the 5+ drones that died to storms? yeah. not such good economy after all Pls. Zero was in an exellent position. Movie's harras didn't pay off. Zero just fucked up.
didnt pay off...wow...ur another one that sees harass in terms of pure numbers. sure, all the money that movie spent to kill say 7 drones was probably way more than 350 minerals (7x50). but those are DRONES ur talking about. ie larvae. ie time. ie late buildings/units. ie less minerals. 7 drones is like half the saturation of one zerg base.
if u really dont think harassing in PvZ pays off, why do you think the pros OPEN with strategy that aim at harming drones?
im not saying that his harass won him the game, like that 12 kill scarab against hero. im saying his economic damage gave his macro a huge advantage over zero's. deny that and u dont understand PvZ
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The flank looks even worse in the replay
He funneled the hydras through the small choke instead of using 2 chokes :/ Sigh Zero
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On December 18 2009 20:05 samachking wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2009 20:03 cascades wrote:
Movie lowest apm 74 lol. Imma become progamer tooz. 178 Average apm 270 Its about the same apm as Stork
But stork has lately improved his mechanics - which is scary  . Gonna be interesting to see.
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On December 18 2009 20:06 Mastermind wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2009 20:04 Shikyo wrote:On December 18 2009 20:03 cz wrote:
"only" 270 avg apm for movie I think I should switch from Z to P and become a progamer ya, because we all know apm is all that matters.
there's a reason why InDove is considered the greatest player of all time.
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On December 18 2009 20:02 UGC4 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2009 20:00 Chen wrote:On December 18 2009 19:59 UGC4 wrote:On December 18 2009 19:57 meeple wrote:
What did ZerO do wrong? He had a good economy... lots of hydras and lurkers. He even sniped all the ht? But yet he still wasn't able to break down Movie's army. good economy...hmm, did you miss when movie raped some of those drones with a few zealots? zero lost a lot of mining time moving them around. oh, and did you forget the 5+ drones that died to storms? yeah. not such good economy after all 3 gas 4 base usually 3 gas 3 base is enough to completely roll so? u think all those dead drones in the earlier stage of zero's economy had no effect just cuz u saw 4 bases? the 4th didnt even mine buddy. movie harmed zero's economy anyway u put it. and he outmacrod him. didnt u hear the audience go "ohhhhhhhh" at movie's million zealots after the battle?
lol you are clueless, did you completely miss when ZerO powered drones back up again right after the drop? Not to mentioned Movie was pretty much on an all in 2 bases play not even trying to set up a 3rd.
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On December 18 2009 20:06 UGC4 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2009 20:02 sashkata wrote:On December 18 2009 19:59 UGC4 wrote:On December 18 2009 19:57 meeple wrote:
What did ZerO do wrong? He had a good economy... lots of hydras and lurkers. He even sniped all the ht? But yet he still wasn't able to break down Movie's army. good economy...hmm, did you miss when movie raped some of those drones with a few zealots? zero lost a lot of mining time moving them around. oh, and did you forget the 5+ drones that died to storms? yeah. not such good economy after all Pls. Zero was in an exellent position. Movie's harras didn't pay off. Zero just fucked up. didnt pay off...wow...ur another one that sees harass in terms of pure numbers. sure, all the money that movie spent to kill say 7 drones was probably way more than 350 minerals (7x50). but those are DRONES ur talking about. ie larvae. ie time. ie late buildings/units. 7 drones is like half the saturation of one zerg base. if u really dont think harassing in PvZ pays off, why do you think the pros OPEN with strategy that aim at harming drones?
He only killed like 6 drones... thats nothing, Zero replaced them like instantly
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Rewatching battle in middle:
Epic fail.
Flank was late and slow, lurkers all clumped together at choke, and mutas came after all zerg units were gone. Terrrible.
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On December 18 2009 20:05 NguN wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2009 19:57 Fontong wrote:
i relish every victory protoss has against zerg in this dark age of aiur This. I don't understand why Protoss don't go Corsair/Reaver often anymore... it's all ground army now... Now all the Protoss players went 1-2 corsairs, then ground army. No harass whatsoever. Isn't the corsair the unit that's what started this revolution? Harass the economy, and then roll them with superior Protoss macro... Seems like Muta sniping H.T became the norm because Corsairs aren't utilised as much anymore Thoughts?
Its fucking hard. watch Stork vs Jaedong WCG game 3. You lose your shuttle with 2 reavers in it you are so totally fucked. Movie save his reavers despite not doing any damage so Zero couldn't do a counter and break his front.
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On December 18 2009 20:06 cz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2009 20:06 Mastermind wrote:On December 18 2009 20:04 Shikyo wrote:On December 18 2009 20:03 cz wrote:
"only" 270 avg apm for movie I think I should switch from Z to P and become a progamer ya, because we all know apm is all that matters. there's a reason why InDove is considered the greatest player of all time.
In_Dove's TvZ micro is the best i've ever seen. Too bad his gamesense is quite bad :/
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On December 18 2009 20:06 Mastermind wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2009 20:04 Shikyo wrote:On December 18 2009 20:03 cz wrote:
"only" 270 avg apm for movie I think I should switch from Z to P and become a progamer ya, because we all know apm is all that matters.
This further confirms everyone's suspicion that Kwark sucks.
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On December 18 2009 20:06 UGC4 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2009 20:02 sashkata wrote:On December 18 2009 19:59 UGC4 wrote:On December 18 2009 19:57 meeple wrote:
What did ZerO do wrong? He had a good economy... lots of hydras and lurkers. He even sniped all the ht? But yet he still wasn't able to break down Movie's army. good economy...hmm, did you miss when movie raped some of those drones with a few zealots? zero lost a lot of mining time moving them around. oh, and did you forget the 5+ drones that died to storms? yeah. not such good economy after all Pls. Zero was in an exellent position. Movie's harras didn't pay off. Zero just fucked up. didnt pay off...wow...ur another one that sees harass in terms of pure numbers. sure, all the money that movie spent to kill say 7 drones was probably way more than 350 minerals (7x50). but those are DRONES ur talking about. ie larvae. ie time. ie late buildings/units. 7 drones is like half the saturation of one zerg base. if u really dont think harassing in PvZ pays off, why do you think the pros OPEN with strategy that aim at harming drones?
I really can't tell if you're trolling or not. Would you really trade 7 larvae (generic zerg units, like 7 hydras, for example) for a shuttle, 4 zealots, 2 high templar, and 2 dark templar?
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On December 18 2009 20:06 UGC4 wrote:
if u really dont think harassing in PvZ pays off, why do you think the pros OPEN with strategy that aim at harming drones?
I think he's just saying it wasn't as successful as it could've been; the fight in the center was definitely a bigger deal.
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It looks like PvZ Storm drops are getting more and more popular
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On December 18 2009 20:07 Chen wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2009 20:05 NguN wrote:On December 18 2009 19:57 Fontong wrote:
i relish every victory protoss has against zerg in this dark age of aiur This. I don't understand why Protoss don't go Corsair/Reaver often anymore... it's all ground army now... Now all the Protoss players went 1-2 corsairs, then ground army. No harass whatsoever. Isn't the corsair the unit that's what started this revolution? Harass the economy, and then roll them with superior Protoss macro... Seems like Muta sniping H.T became the norm because Corsairs aren't utilised as much anymore Thoughts? Its fucking hard. watch Stork vs Jaedong WCG game 3. You lose your shuttle with 2 reavers in it you are so totally fucked. Movie save his reavers despite not doing any damage so Zero couldn't do a counter and break his front.
yeah movie's shuttle, in it's first visit to zero's main, flew THROUGH two scourges. If he had lost that shuttle zero would probably have won.
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On December 18 2009 20:05 NguN wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2009 19:57 Fontong wrote:
i relish every victory protoss has against zerg in this dark age of aiur This. I don't understand why Protoss don't go Corsair/Reaver often anymore... it's all ground army now... Now all the Protoss players went 1-2 corsairs, then ground army. No harass whatsoever. Isn't the corsair the unit that's what started this revolution? Harass the economy, and then roll them with superior Protoss macro... Seems like Muta sniping H.T became the norm because Corsairs aren't utilised as much anymore Thoughts?
Movie did NOT win with corsair/reaver. He won with reaver/ground army! The harass he did was much later with storm shuttle. Did you see how easily Zero deflected the actual corsair/reaver?
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On December 18 2009 20:07 roMAD wrote:Show nested quote +On December 18 2009 20:06 cz wrote:On December 18 2009 20:06 Mastermind wrote:On December 18 2009 20:04 Shikyo wrote:On December 18 2009 20:03 cz wrote:
"only" 270 avg apm for movie I think I should switch from Z to P and become a progamer ya, because we all know apm is all that matters. there's a reason why InDove is considered the greatest player of all time. In_Dove's TvZ micro is the best i've ever seen. Too bad his gamesense is quite bad :/
Probably because he spends all his time looking at the battle and microing his units.
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lol @ the chicks screaming for stork
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God I hope Stork shows us his "revolutionary" strategy today and blows us away.
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