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NguN
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1322 Posts
December 18 2009 11:05 GMT
#1201
On December 18 2009 19:57 Fontong wrote:
i relish every victory protoss has against zerg in this dark age of aiur


This.

I don't understand why Protoss don't go Corsair/Reaver often anymore... it's all ground army now... Now all the Protoss players went 1-2 corsairs, then ground army. No harass whatsoever. Isn't the corsair the unit that's what started this revolution? Harass the economy, and then roll them with superior Protoss macro... Seems like Muta sniping H.T became the norm because Corsairs aren't utilised as much anymore

Thoughts?

Mastermind
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada7096 Posts
December 18 2009 11:06 GMT
#1202
On December 18 2009 20:04 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2009 20:03 cz wrote:
"only" 270 avg apm for movie

I think I should switch from Z to P and become a progamer

ya, because we all know apm is all that matters.
UGC4
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Peru532 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 11:08:36
December 18 2009 11:06 GMT
#1203
On December 18 2009 20:02 sashkata wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2009 19:59 UGC4 wrote:
On December 18 2009 19:57 meeple wrote:
What did ZerO do wrong? He had a good economy... lots of hydras and lurkers. He even sniped all the ht? But yet he still wasn't able to break down Movie's army.


good economy...hmm, did you miss when movie raped some of those drones with a few zealots? zero lost a lot of mining time moving them around.
oh, and did you forget the 5+ drones that died to storms? yeah. not such good economy after all

Pls. Zero was in an exellent position. Movie's harras didn't pay off. Zero just fucked up.


didnt pay off...wow...ur another one that sees harass in terms of pure numbers. sure, all the money that movie spent to kill say 7 drones was probably way more than 350 minerals (7x50). but those are DRONES ur talking about. ie larvae. ie time. ie late buildings/units. ie less minerals. 7 drones is like half the saturation of one zerg base.
if u really dont think harassing in PvZ pays off, why do you think the pros OPEN with strategy that aim at harming drones?

im not saying that his harass won him the game, like that 12 kill scarab against hero. im saying his economic damage gave his macro a huge advantage over zero's. deny that and u dont understand PvZ
#1 Movie fan~ he's got so much skill it oozes out of his skin in the form of acne. ~family comes first~
samachking
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Bahrain4949 Posts
December 18 2009 11:06 GMT
#1204
The flank looks even worse in the replay
He funneled the hydras through the small choke instead of using 2 chokes :/ Sigh Zero
"And then Earthlings discovered tools. Suddenly agreeing with friends could be a form of suicide or worse. But agreements went on, not for the sake of common sense, or decency, or self preservation, but for friendliness."
Kyuki
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1867 Posts
December 18 2009 11:06 GMT
#1205
On December 18 2009 20:05 samachking wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2009 20:03 cascades wrote:
Movie lowest apm 74 lol. Imma become progamer tooz.


178

Average apm 270
Its about the same apm as Stork

But stork has lately improved his mechanics - which is scary . Gonna be interesting to see.
Mada Mada Dane
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
December 18 2009 11:06 GMT
#1206
On December 18 2009 20:06 Mastermind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2009 20:04 Shikyo wrote:
On December 18 2009 20:03 cz wrote:
"only" 270 avg apm for movie

I think I should switch from Z to P and become a progamer

ya, because we all know apm is all that matters.


there's a reason why InDove is considered the greatest player of all time.
Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
December 18 2009 11:07 GMT
#1207
On December 18 2009 20:02 UGC4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2009 20:00 Chen wrote:
On December 18 2009 19:59 UGC4 wrote:
On December 18 2009 19:57 meeple wrote:
What did ZerO do wrong? He had a good economy... lots of hydras and lurkers. He even sniped all the ht? But yet he still wasn't able to break down Movie's army.


good economy...hmm, did you miss when movie raped some of those drones with a few zealots? zero lost a lot of mining time moving them around.
oh, and did you forget the 5+ drones that died to storms? yeah. not such good economy after all

3 gas 4 base
usually 3 gas 3 base is enough to completely roll


so? u think all those dead drones in the earlier stage of zero's economy had no effect just cuz u saw 4 bases? the 4th didnt even mine buddy. movie harmed zero's economy anyway u put it. and he outmacrod him. didnt u hear the audience go "ohhhhhhhh" at movie's million zealots after the battle?

lol you are clueless, did you completely miss when ZerO powered drones back up again right after the drop? Not to mentioned Movie was pretty much on an all in 2 bases play not even trying to set up a 3rd.
God Hates a Coward
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
December 18 2009 11:07 GMT
#1208
On December 18 2009 20:06 UGC4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2009 20:02 sashkata wrote:
On December 18 2009 19:59 UGC4 wrote:
On December 18 2009 19:57 meeple wrote:
What did ZerO do wrong? He had a good economy... lots of hydras and lurkers. He even sniped all the ht? But yet he still wasn't able to break down Movie's army.


good economy...hmm, did you miss when movie raped some of those drones with a few zealots? zero lost a lot of mining time moving them around.
oh, and did you forget the 5+ drones that died to storms? yeah. not such good economy after all

Pls. Zero was in an exellent position. Movie's harras didn't pay off. Zero just fucked up.


didnt pay off...wow...ur another one that sees harass in terms of pure numbers. sure, all the money that movie spent to kill say 7 drones was probably way more than 350 minerals (7x50). but those are DRONES ur talking about. ie larvae. ie time. ie late buildings/units. 7 drones is like half the saturation of one zerg base.
if u really dont think harassing in PvZ pays off, why do you think the pros OPEN with strategy that aim at harming drones?


He only killed like 6 drones... thats nothing, Zero replaced them like instantly
cascades
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Singapore6122 Posts
December 18 2009 11:07 GMT
#1209
Rewatching battle in middle:

Epic fail.

Flank was late and slow, lurkers all clumped together at choke, and mutas came after all zerg units were gone. Terrrible.
HS: cascades#1595 || LoL: stoppin
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
December 18 2009 11:07 GMT
#1210
On December 18 2009 20:05 NguN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2009 19:57 Fontong wrote:
i relish every victory protoss has against zerg in this dark age of aiur


This.

I don't understand why Protoss don't go Corsair/Reaver often anymore... it's all ground army now... Now all the Protoss players went 1-2 corsairs, then ground army. No harass whatsoever. Isn't the corsair the unit that's what started this revolution? Harass the economy, and then roll them with superior Protoss macro... Seems like Muta sniping H.T became the norm because Corsairs aren't utilised as much anymore

Thoughts?


Its fucking hard. watch Stork vs Jaedong WCG game 3. You lose your shuttle with 2 reavers in it you are so totally fucked. Movie save his reavers despite not doing any damage so Zero couldn't do a counter and break his front.
roMAD
Profile Blog Joined April 2004
Russia2355 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-18 11:08:10
December 18 2009 11:07 GMT
#1211
On December 18 2009 20:06 cz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2009 20:06 Mastermind wrote:
On December 18 2009 20:04 Shikyo wrote:
On December 18 2009 20:03 cz wrote:
"only" 270 avg apm for movie

I think I should switch from Z to P and become a progamer

ya, because we all know apm is all that matters.


there's a reason why InDove is considered the greatest player of all time.

In_Dove's TvZ micro is the best i've ever seen. Too bad his gamesense is quite bad :/
Jyvblamo
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
Canada13788 Posts
December 18 2009 11:07 GMT
#1212
On December 18 2009 20:06 Mastermind wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2009 20:04 Shikyo wrote:
On December 18 2009 20:03 cz wrote:
"only" 270 avg apm for movie

I think I should switch from Z to P and become a progamer

ya, because we all know apm is all that matters.

This further confirms everyone's suspicion that Kwark sucks.
Saracen
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States5139 Posts
December 18 2009 11:07 GMT
#1213
On December 18 2009 20:06 UGC4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2009 20:02 sashkata wrote:
On December 18 2009 19:59 UGC4 wrote:
On December 18 2009 19:57 meeple wrote:
What did ZerO do wrong? He had a good economy... lots of hydras and lurkers. He even sniped all the ht? But yet he still wasn't able to break down Movie's army.


good economy...hmm, did you miss when movie raped some of those drones with a few zealots? zero lost a lot of mining time moving them around.
oh, and did you forget the 5+ drones that died to storms? yeah. not such good economy after all

Pls. Zero was in an exellent position. Movie's harras didn't pay off. Zero just fucked up.


didnt pay off...wow...ur another one that sees harass in terms of pure numbers. sure, all the money that movie spent to kill say 7 drones was probably way more than 350 minerals (7x50). but those are DRONES ur talking about. ie larvae. ie time. ie late buildings/units. 7 drones is like half the saturation of one zerg base.
if u really dont think harassing in PvZ pays off, why do you think the pros OPEN with strategy that aim at harming drones?

I really can't tell if you're trolling or not. Would you really trade 7 larvae (generic zerg units, like 7 hydras, for example) for a shuttle, 4 zealots, 2 high templar, and 2 dark templar?
NotJack
Profile Joined December 2009
United States737 Posts
December 18 2009 11:08 GMT
#1214
On December 18 2009 20:06 UGC4 wrote:

if u really dont think harassing in PvZ pays off, why do you think the pros OPEN with strategy that aim at harming drones?


I think he's just saying it wasn't as successful as it could've been; the fight in the center was definitely a bigger deal.
vRoOk
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States1024 Posts
December 18 2009 11:08 GMT
#1215
It looks like PvZ Storm drops are getting more and more popular
Breaking Bad
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
December 18 2009 11:08 GMT
#1216
On December 18 2009 20:07 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2009 20:05 NguN wrote:
On December 18 2009 19:57 Fontong wrote:
i relish every victory protoss has against zerg in this dark age of aiur


This.

I don't understand why Protoss don't go Corsair/Reaver often anymore... it's all ground army now... Now all the Protoss players went 1-2 corsairs, then ground army. No harass whatsoever. Isn't the corsair the unit that's what started this revolution? Harass the economy, and then roll them with superior Protoss macro... Seems like Muta sniping H.T became the norm because Corsairs aren't utilised as much anymore

Thoughts?


Its fucking hard. watch Stork vs Jaedong WCG game 3. You lose your shuttle with 2 reavers in it you are so totally fucked. Movie save his reavers despite not doing any damage so Zero couldn't do a counter and break his front.


yeah movie's shuttle, in it's first visit to zero's main, flew THROUGH two scourges. If he had lost that shuttle zero would probably have won.
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
December 18 2009 11:08 GMT
#1217
On December 18 2009 20:05 NguN wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2009 19:57 Fontong wrote:
i relish every victory protoss has against zerg in this dark age of aiur


This.

I don't understand why Protoss don't go Corsair/Reaver often anymore... it's all ground army now... Now all the Protoss players went 1-2 corsairs, then ground army. No harass whatsoever. Isn't the corsair the unit that's what started this revolution? Harass the economy, and then roll them with superior Protoss macro... Seems like Muta sniping H.T became the norm because Corsairs aren't utilised as much anymore

Thoughts?



Movie did NOT win with corsair/reaver. He won with reaver/ground army! The harass he did was much later with storm shuttle. Did you see how easily Zero deflected the actual corsair/reaver?
cz
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States3249 Posts
December 18 2009 11:09 GMT
#1218
On December 18 2009 20:07 roMAD wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 18 2009 20:06 cz wrote:
On December 18 2009 20:06 Mastermind wrote:
On December 18 2009 20:04 Shikyo wrote:
On December 18 2009 20:03 cz wrote:
"only" 270 avg apm for movie

I think I should switch from Z to P and become a progamer

ya, because we all know apm is all that matters.


there's a reason why InDove is considered the greatest player of all time.

In_Dove's TvZ micro is the best i've ever seen. Too bad his gamesense is quite bad :/


Probably because he spends all his time looking at the battle and microing his units.
snotboogie
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Australia3550 Posts
December 18 2009 11:09 GMT
#1219
lol @ the chicks screaming for stork
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
December 18 2009 11:09 GMT
#1220
God I hope Stork shows us his "revolutionary" strategy today and blows us away.
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