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Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6124 Posts
December 09 2009 05:40 GMT
#421
On December 09 2009 14:37 JWD wrote:
that muta tech switch really did not work out well for Effort, perhaps he expected more of a mech army to roll out? Early vessels + MnM transition mopped up all those mutas pretty easily.


That mutalisk switch cost him badly. I guess he was expecting mech,

Also why was the spire so late? If he had got the spire as soon as the lair finished, he couldve scourge scouted the mnm,
#1 Terran hater
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
December 09 2009 05:40 GMT
#422
no way movie loses to (Z)Thezerg

if this happens, it's best to never play a PvZ again...
BW is back
Random_0
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States1163 Posts
December 09 2009 05:40 GMT
#423
Which stream are people watching? I'm kind of switching between streams, but they're all quite jerky for me, and kind of giving me a headache.

BTW, go Canata!!! Awesome build. The key, for idiot Fantasy, is not to get scouted! Effort went for hydra/lurker, which was totally owned by a siege tank heavy army.
arlber
Profile Joined June 2009
United States58 Posts
December 09 2009 05:40 GMT
#424
I see a Movie star taking CJ to ace!!
MountainDewJunkie
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States10348 Posts
December 09 2009 05:40 GMT
#425
No way Movie could lose to thezerg. That's as absurd as Effort losing to Cana-- Eeeeee....
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Zona
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
40426 Posts
December 09 2009 05:41 GMT
#426
Mutas are strongest before vessel - getting them after vessel wasn't so great.
"If you try responding to those absurd posts every day, you become more damaged. So I pay no attention to them at all." Jung Myung Hoon (aka Fantasy), as translated by Kimoleon
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
December 09 2009 05:41 GMT
#427
On December 09 2009 14:38 Colbert wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2009 14:37 Hyde wrote:
On December 09 2009 14:36 konadora wrote:
Canata: "Fantasy is doing it all wrong"

Lol, yeah this build actually works for Canata


2 hatch vs. 3 hatch

BIG difference.

Effort had a bad eco in the beginning by going 9 pool instead of 12 hatch. He was already at a disadvantage since he made lings and Canata walled-in.
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Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States10264 Posts
December 09 2009 05:41 GMT
#428
On December 09 2009 14:38 iamho wrote:
i think effort was expecting pure mech or something, then didn't notice the tech switch until it was too late to get defilers

Wrong. Effort saw the dual e-bays yet still went Mutas.

No reason to go Mutas anyway if your opponent is producing out of his FRONT RAX???

Honestly Effort...
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Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
December 09 2009 05:41 GMT
#429
On December 09 2009 14:38 tree.hugger wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2009 14:36 Slow Motion wrote:
Mediocre execution of a brilliant strat wins.


Brilliant strats aren't auto-gg's against two hatch muta. It looks like SKT put a little more thought into that build though, perhaps we'll see it again?


every build order has either a soft counter or hard counter.... remember the Fantasy build? it was fucking rape until zerg learned to hard-counter it. 2-hatch muta owns really fast tech, no way around it, sometimes you gotta cut corners and hope.
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
December 09 2009 05:41 GMT
#430
On December 09 2009 14:40 Random_0 wrote:
Which stream are people watching? I'm kind of switching between streams, but they're all quite jerky for me, and kind of giving me a headache.

BTW, go Canata!!! Awesome build. The key, for idiot Fantasy, is not to get scouted! Effort went for hydra/lurker, which was totally owned by a siege tank heavy army.


Solinren's is pretty stable
NguN
Profile Joined August 2009
Australia1322 Posts
December 09 2009 05:42 GMT
#431
On December 09 2009 14:36 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2009 14:36 konadora wrote:
Canata: "Fantasy is doing it all wrong"

Fantasy: Canata didnt get 2-hatch muta rushed.


Isn't 2 hatch muta the build to go against mech in the first place? =S
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
December 09 2009 05:42 GMT
#432
Cmon thezerg pull a Canata and win
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
December 09 2009 05:43 GMT
#433
Canata had no idea about the ninja expo either...
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
December 09 2009 05:43 GMT
#434
On December 09 2009 14:41 Chen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2009 14:38 tree.hugger wrote:
On December 09 2009 14:36 Slow Motion wrote:
Mediocre execution of a brilliant strat wins.


Brilliant strats aren't auto-gg's against two hatch muta. It looks like SKT put a little more thought into that build though, perhaps we'll see it again?


every build order has either a soft counter or hard counter.... remember the Fantasy build? it was fucking rape until zerg learned to hard-counter it. 2-hatch muta owns really fast tech, no way around it, sometimes you gotta cut corners and hope.

2 hatch muta isnt a hard counter to fast tech, its not really even a soft counter. the fantasy build just wasnt that solid in general once everyone learned the timings and got used to fighting a mech army.
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Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
December 09 2009 05:43 GMT
#435
canata never knew about effort third
BW is back
sharkeyanti
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States1273 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-09 05:44:47
December 09 2009 05:44 GMT
#436
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iamho
Profile Joined June 2009
United States3347 Posts
December 09 2009 05:44 GMT
#437
On December 09 2009 14:43 meeple wrote:
Canata had no idea about the ninja expo either...


im sure he knew, most zergs expand to the unused main in 3-player maps

i think it was just the mech->bio transition that screwed him over
Jackal03
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil7469 Posts
December 09 2009 05:44 GMT
#438
no more ninja (P)Movie
BW is back
Chen
Profile Joined June 2009
United States6344 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-09 05:45:25
December 09 2009 05:44 GMT
#439
On December 09 2009 14:43 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 09 2009 14:41 Chen wrote:
On December 09 2009 14:38 tree.hugger wrote:
On December 09 2009 14:36 Slow Motion wrote:
Mediocre execution of a brilliant strat wins.


Brilliant strats aren't auto-gg's against two hatch muta. It looks like SKT put a little more thought into that build though, perhaps we'll see it again?


every build order has either a soft counter or hard counter.... remember the Fantasy build? it was fucking rape until zerg learned to hard-counter it. 2-hatch muta owns really fast tech, no way around it, sometimes you gotta cut corners and hope.

2 hatch muta isnt a hard counter to fast tech, its not really even a soft counter. the fantasy build just wasnt that solid in general once everyone learned the timings and got used to fighting a mech army.

O.o so how does a terran counter 2-hatch mutas with that build? did Fantasy just react badly to it?
cause it seems like irradiate isnt in time for 2-hatch mutas and you have no AA other than marines out of 1rax
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-12-09 05:45:50
December 09 2009 05:44 GMT
#440
On December 09 2009 14:43 meeple wrote:
Canata had no idea about the ninja expo either...


I'm sure he knew about it, he just knew he had the upper hand, and stuck with it.

On December 09 2009 14:44 Jackal03 wrote:
no more ninja (P)Movie


I'm nervous.
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