The funny thing about this map is that it's slightly better for T to spawn at the bottom in TvP because that way they can defend against recalls (and 4 gas) vertically instead of horizontally. But in TvZ there's less push distance to the crucial double gas if you spawn at the top so it might be better to be on top in TvZ.

In TvT the natural split will be down the middle vertically leaving both sides with 4 gas. Very interesting map all around.

Waxangel

United States33506 Posts

December 03 2009 12:13 GMT

#704

Another game I'm reminded of is the Hwasin vs Kwanro game...

The race that's playing the 'contained -> break out' role on a matchup (T v Z, T v P, P v Z) needs to understand that the 7:00 is ridiculously important, both Hwasin and Bogus lost because they were playing while treating it like a regular expansion.

Manit0u

Poland17575 Posts

December 03 2009 12:13 GMT

#705

On December 03 2009 21:07 Holgerius wrote:
That game was brilliant in many ways, it sure as hell was entertaining. But as a Terran player I will have nightmares for months to come. How the fuck do you deal with that bullshit?

You continue your push into P main instead of stopping it and retreating your invulnerable (at that time) ball.

Bogus could win this but decided to be passive which led to his demise.

I really can't get why so many here think it was a great game and that they're good players... There were some nice actions from Guemchi (nicely placed storms, multiple front combat, recall save etc.) but there were much more bad actions (fail recalls, fail stasises). Bogus was overall bad, losing many vessels in stupid ways, not being aggressive enough etc. etc.
And on top of that, both of them could've ended this game a lot earlier but failed.

Overall I rate this game 3/10

motbob

United States12546 Posts

December 03 2009 12:14 GMT

#706

As I said in chat, thank god I don't have to do a recap of that game because it would be long as hell. Just discussing Guemchi's decision to defend 1 o' clock would take a while.

TheFoReveRwaR

United States10657 Posts

December 03 2009 12:14 GMT

#707

I think a big problem was the lack of a vult prescence on the lower part of the map after the first recall. Allowed P to expand way too easily while he was recalling and gain a significant edge in base counts. It takes a shitload of multitask to patrol a few vults while defending recalls though. Credit to Guemchi.

I think his decesion to defend 1 was mainly just to keep the T army busy and away from the bottom of the map while he continued to make strategic strikes with recall. Actually his entire game plan depended on keeping the T busy.

meeple

Canada10211 Posts

December 03 2009 12:15 GMT

#708

I'm not sure it was Bogus being passive as much as having to constantly defend from recalls...

Nytefish

United Kingdom4282 Posts

December 03 2009 12:15 GMT

#709

When a protoss' recall gets smashed for minimal damage it's not necessarily a huge mistake that should decide the game. It was especially evident in that game where Guemchi would use a recall to move the Terran army to one side then attack the expos on the other side.

It's how you should dismantle a Terran when there's obviously no way you can take their army head-on. It's tough for the Terran to separate his units and defend multiple places against such mobility, like the problem Protoss has in PvZ.

QuanChi

Brazil133 Posts

December 03 2009 12:15 GMT

#710

Who are the commentators of this game, SOMEONE?

Waxangel

United States33506 Posts

December 03 2009 12:16 GMT

#711

On December 03 2009 21:15 QuanChi wrote:
Who are the commentators of this game, SOMEONE?

Kim Chul Min, Lee Seung Won, and Han Seung Yub (former terran pro Yooi)

nisukeapple

314 Posts

December 03 2009 12:16 GMT

#712

On December 03 2009 21:10 TheFoReveRwaR wrote:

Show nested quote +

Do you even know what "out of context" means?

I didn't ask what a quote was or what it was for at all.

because i'm thinking the context from which his quote came from was to raise thought about overall recalls this whole game

also looking at how imba was generally referred to

really no need to stay that much though ~ ~;;
just.... i didn't mean for you to take my 'explanation' offensively