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NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
November 14 2009 10:58 GMT
#1421
On November 14 2009 19:58 Bifur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 19:51 Kaolla wrote:
how could idra lose to this guy? O_O

This tells a lot about real Idra's skill


Thats bullshit. kollls ZvT is his best match up..
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
November 14 2009 10:59 GMT
#1422
On November 14 2009 19:55 GTR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 19:53 MapleLeafSirup wrote:
what a sad rape
maybe kolll can only play vs standard guys and is just not used to 1gate / 2gate openings and gets rolled


this
it seems he's practicing with the wrong protosses. those who play really, really passive. if you face a korean you'll always expect some sort of aggressive opening these days.


Gateway OP is standard on Outsider. If anything, he overreacted to Bisu's build, thinking it was a rush when the zealots were more for probing than anything else.
Meh
ruffe
Profile Joined November 2009
China40 Posts
November 14 2009 10:59 GMT
#1423
koll's forces never enter bisu's home in these two games,bisu plays way better than koll.
KlaCkoN
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Sweden1661 Posts
November 14 2009 11:00 GMT
#1424
Koll has been really impressive, and it's not like dimaga fared any better vs bisu.
All in all, the koreans dominated as expected, the difference in micro alone was enough to make all the games (excluding pj's I guess) eerily remnicent of a a- guy beating on some c- newbie.
"Voice or no voice the people can always be brought to the bidding of their leaders ... All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger."
Noodlez
Profile Joined September 2009
32 Posts
November 14 2009 11:01 GMT
#1425
I kinda came late but how the hell did Kolll beat IdrA? The second game vs Bisu was just pure ROLL. I really just can't believe it. But I guess the numbers don't lie, Kolll is the best foreigner in this years WCG by getting 4th. No doubt in my mind if Kolll continues this he will on a team in 1 year tops.
Mr.Noodlez D Protoss
Art_of_Kill
Profile Joined September 2003
Zaire1232 Posts
November 14 2009 11:01 GMT
#1426
true is that kolll fucked up all his games on the stage, if they were not on stage i guess he would have done alot better, seems like he is paying tribute to his joung age
TLT07 ===> *winner* <===TLT08
PhilGood2DaY
Profile Joined September 2005
Germany7424 Posts
November 14 2009 11:03 GMT
#1427
Kollls ZvT and especially his muta micro is amazing..

he lacks ZvP though..

but then again losing vs bisu is just human i guess.. and being nervous without a doubt

gg's and grats for doing so well ( overall kolll did just awesome )
hatred outlives the hateful
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
November 14 2009 11:03 GMT
#1428
Guys, its fucking Bisu. No foreign Zerg would have stand a chance against him. Probably not even ret would have been able to scratch him...
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
SkyTheUnknown
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Germany2065 Posts
November 14 2009 11:04 GMT
#1429
wow what a craptalk here. bisu and idra are on a VERY different level. how can you even think about comparing his matchups by looking at his games vs idra and bisu. but as stated previously kolll is known for his ZvT and ZvZ, not his ZvP..it's his worst Matchup. but this isn't important here - even if it would be his best one he wouldnt have had a chance at all against bisu.
it was some one sided rape. and bisu is the best pvz player in the world. when bisu three zeroed savior, kolll was still playing wc3. just to take it in the right dimensions.
The oldest and strongest emotion of mankind is fear, and the oldest and strongest kind of fear is fear of the unknown - H.P. Lovecraft
iG.SwOrD
Profile Joined October 2009
Bulgaria183 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-11-14 11:04:49
November 14 2009 11:04 GMT
#1430
Bisu may be sucking against kor zergs lately but against foreigners....huh
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
November 14 2009 11:04 GMT
#1431
Koll could have better ZvP then what he showed , but Bisu put a ton of pressure from the start and messed his build orders , timing and whatever . I think he should have opened with a 9 pool . I mean if you want to play a straight up game against a korean you might as well want to open it save .
Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
November 14 2009 11:05 GMT
#1432
On November 14 2009 19:58 Bifur wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 19:51 Kaolla wrote:
how could idra lose to this guy? O_O

This tells a lot about real Idra's skill

Sigh...
I believe in the almighty Grötslev! -- I am never serious and you should never believe a thing I say. Including the previous sentence.
nayumi
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Australia6499 Posts
November 14 2009 11:07 GMT
#1433
On November 14 2009 20:05 Holgerius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 19:58 Bifur wrote:
On November 14 2009 19:51 Kaolla wrote:
how could idra lose to this guy? O_O

This tells a lot about real Idra's skill

Sigh...

He's a complete troll mate.
Sugoi monogatari onii-chan!
meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
November 14 2009 11:08 GMT
#1434
On November 14 2009 19:57 Djin)ftw( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 19:47 GTR wrote:
koll SO NEEDS TO WORK on his zvp if he wants to be in contention for tsl 2.


http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/replays/21441

watch this game man. the only reason he played like shit was he was nervous. i mean, this kid is 14 and plays in front of a few hundred ppl against the 2 best protosses in th world, give me a break

even sair said in an interview that he regularly screws up in televised games despite having placed second in an intern tournament

gj beating idra kolll. go become a progamer



He didn't look nervous at all, in fact he was smiling after the first loss to Bisu
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7696 Posts
November 14 2009 11:12 GMT
#1435
If you guys go look at the koll vs ret replays on here from a few months back you'll see idra stating that koll was a good player because he practiced standard play until he was good at it and that the rest of us newbies should learn from that.

I remember watching the games thinking koll was the terran and thinking ret was the gosu zerg =).

Good job idra,koll,advokate and most of all PJ without you guys this years wcg would have been way less interesting!
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
November 14 2009 11:13 GMT
#1436
Do you guys actually think its unfair that Korea got #1 #2 and #3 ? Because sometimes it seems like that. Korea totally deserves that oo.
CommentatorPolt | MMA | Jjakji | BoxeR | NaDa | MVP | MKP ... truly inspiring.
Dark.Carnival
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States5095 Posts
November 14 2009 11:14 GMT
#1437
warning to anyone watching english wcg stream tomorrow for the finals, the english stream seems to be behind so if you're watching and refreshing the LR threads than you might be spoiled ;x
@QxGDarkCell ._.
Sadistx
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Zimbabwe5568 Posts
November 14 2009 11:19 GMT
#1438
On November 13 2009 20:21 Sadistx wrote:
Poor Advokate . Also, I hope Koll doesn't do any stupid shit.


From yesterday's thread. I guess he did do stupid shit :/
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
November 14 2009 11:21 GMT
#1439
On November 14 2009 20:14 xDark.Carnivalx wrote:
warning to anyone watching english wcg stream tomorrow for the finals, the english stream seems to be behind so if you're watching and refreshing the LR threads than you might be spoiled ;x

yeah
like 10 to 15 seconds or so t.t
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
Djin)ftw(
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Germany3357 Posts
November 14 2009 11:24 GMT
#1440
On November 14 2009 20:08 meeple wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2009 19:57 Djin)ftw( wrote:
On November 14 2009 19:47 GTR wrote:
koll SO NEEDS TO WORK on his zvp if he wants to be in contention for tsl 2.


http://www.gosugamers.net/starcraft/replays/21441

watch this game man. the only reason he played like shit was he was nervous. i mean, this kid is 14 and plays in front of a few hundred ppl against the 2 best protosses in th world, give me a break

even sair said in an interview that he regularly screws up in televised games despite having placed second in an intern tournament

gj beating idra kolll. go become a progamer



He didn't look nervous at all, in fact he was smiling after the first loss to Bisu


in the first game he lost 2 drones to what, 2 zealots and a probe? now tell me, how many icc A- players do u know who do that? bisu was just super aggressive and he reacted poorly because he was nervous, thats all
"jk CLG best mindgames using the baron to counterthrow" - boesthius
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