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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
On October 16 2009 20:59 zenaardvark wrote: NO, Calm is definitely top 3. There is no other player that I would place above him except for Jaedong and maybe Effort if he plays well this year. Well considering all the suddenly good ZvP players *wink*, it's hard to be top 3 when it's his "worst matchup". | ||
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Dice
Korea (South)926 Posts
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Kazius
Israel1456 Posts
On October 16 2009 20:59 zenaardvark wrote: NO, Calm is definitely top 3. There is no other player that I would place above him except for Jaedong and maybe Effort if he plays well this year. ZerO's ZvP is superior. So is Kwanro's. Calm is (far) better at the other matchups, but not this one. | ||
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Lurgee
Australia252 Posts
On October 16 2009 20:55 motbob wrote: Calm is top 1 everything IMO. Calm is the best zerg out there right now, and probably the best player. Jaedong has been as solid as ever lately, rating calm over JD would be pretty damn unfair. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On October 16 2009 20:55 motbob wrote: Calm is top 1 everything IMO. Calm is the best zerg out there right now, and probably the best player. What? Are you being sarcastic? | ||
motbob
United States12546 Posts
Hmm, maybe you're right. We should have Jaedong and Calm play a Bo5 to see who's better. Oh wait, they already did, and Calm won. | ||
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below66
United States1761 Posts
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Velr
Switzerland10862 Posts
Jaedong -> Granted. Effort -> Probably, but Calm is the overall better/more succsesfull (proleague and indivudal leagues) player so i would go with Calm. Luxury -> Was in a deep slump after his MSL and isn't exactly known for his ZvP. Yarnc -> Has horrible ZvP. July -> Well... Probably. But only in ZvP, not a chance in ZvZ. Zero -> I really don't know, but he's entertaining for sure  .Naming more Zergs would begin to feel strange because soon you'll end up comparing Calm to guys that showed a few good games and nothing more. The games today also don't help to say how good Calms ZvP is... Game 1 was strange, Game 2 was strange, Game 3 was standart and Backho got owned hard (as expected before the series). I would not call Calm better than Jaedong yet, not even close. Jaedong is on the top since i don't know how long and Calm really came to the light last season. Yes, he beat Jaedong once but in my book Calm would need to score some more big wins before you can really say that he's better than JD, as long as JD keeps his toplevel play. | ||
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SuperArc
Austria7781 Posts
On October 16 2009 21:11 Velr wrote: The thing with Calm being Top 3 is more... Who would you put over him?...? Jaedong -> Granted. Effort -> Probably, but Calm is the overall better/more succsesfull (proleague and indivudal leagues) player so i would go with Calm. Luxury -> Was in a deep slump after his MSL and isn't exactly known for his ZvP. Yarnc -> Has horrible ZvP. July -> Well... Probably. But only in ZvP, not a chance in ZvZ. Zero -> I really don't know, but he's entertaining for sure .Naming more Zergs would begin to feel strange because soon you'll end up comparing Calm to guys that showed a few good games and nothing more. The games today also don't help to say how good Calms ZvP is... Game 1 was strange, Game 2 was strange, Game 3 was standart and Backho got owned hard (as expected before the series). Game 1 and Game 2 = Brain Zerg getting outsmarted --> Preparation is everything as shown in PL playoffs where we had a lot of upsets. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On October 16 2009 21:09 motbob wrote: Hmm, maybe you're right. We should have Jaedong and Calm play a Bo5 to see who's better. Oh wait, we already did, and Calm won. That Bo5 was played the day after JD played his Bo5 against Fantasy in the OSL semifinals. That is something to take into consideration. Also, would you argue that Iris is a better player then Bisu is right now? | ||
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On October 16 2009 21:09 motbob wrote: Hmm, maybe you're right. We should have Jaedong and Calm play a Bo5 to see who's better. Oh wait, they already did, and Calm won. Luxury 2-0'd Calm, Luxury best zerg. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
On October 16 2009 21:16 TwoToneTerran wrote: Luxury 2-0'd Calm, Luxury best zerg. Exaclty. Good way of disproving that type of logic. | ||
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Velr
Switzerland10862 Posts
I wouldn't call an all-in counter to Calms *near* all-in *outsmarted* (and he won that in the end so he wasn't outsmarted anyway  ). | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On October 16 2009 21:16 TwoToneTerran wrote: Luxury 2-0'd Calm, Luxury best zerg. Lux isn't 29-11 last 40 game. Lux also beat Calm in WCG, which probably* means less to the players than the MSL. *(definitely) | ||
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Camlito
Australia4040 Posts
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On October 16 2009 21:30 Camlito wrote: Don't argue with motbob, even though he's probably joking this time, he calls new players bonjwas after winning 3 games. Hard to get through to him. LOL? How could you read my bonjwa threads/posts and not tell that they're tongue in cheek? How can you think I'm "joking" when Calm has had the best record over the past 3 months, has just won an MSL, and has beaten Jaedong in a Bo5? "Hard to get through to him"? Screw you. | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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TwoToneTerran
United States8841 Posts
On October 16 2009 21:27 motbob wrote: Lux isn't 29-11 last 40 game. Lux also beat Calm in WCG, which probably* means less to the players than the MSL. *(definitely) Yeah, and Calm beat Jaedong in the MSL, which probably* means less to the players than the OSL. The difference is that Jaedong had to play the MSL and OSL at the same time, while worrying about FA and PL finals, whereas Calm just got raped with nothing to practice for but WCG. *(definitely) Logic = horrendous I know where you're coming from, but look back a few months ago. Effort was on top of the world, raping everyone left and right, 2-0'd Jaedong out of GOM. Everyone said Effort is the best zerg, hell he even trounced Jaedong off the top spot in the power rank. Then the dissidents and critics pointed out that Jaedong was fucking swamped and was still doing well in the other, more important scenes. Move a couple months later and Jaedong has a golden mouse. And went on to eat Effort alive for good measure. You're far, far, far too fast to discredit Jaedong and vindicate Calm. Calm is not definitively better than Jaedong. | ||
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motbob
United States12546 Posts
On October 16 2009 21:40 TwoToneTerran wrote: Yeah, and Calm beat Jaedong in the MSL, which probably* means less to the players than the OSL. The difference is that Jaedong had to play the MSL and OSL at the same time, while worrying about FA and PL finals, whereas Calm just got raped with nothing to practice for but WCG. *(definitely) Logic = horrendous I know where you're coming from, but look back a few months ago. Effort was on top of the world, raping everyone left and right, 2-0'd Jaedong out of GOM. Everyone said Effort is the best zerg, hell he even trounced Jaedong off the top spot in the power rank. Then the dissidents and critics pointed out that Jaedong was fucking swamped and was still doing well in the other, more important scenes. Move a couple months later and Jaedong has a golden mouse. Calm is not definitively better than Jaedong. ??? definitively better? I never said that. I was just responding to the guy who said that my opinion was so stupid that I had to be being sarcastic. I just think he's posted definitively better results lately. Maybe that's cause Jaedong is swamped but it's worth noting that he absolutely destroyed Yarnc after very little practice but got stomped by Calm after (assumedly) the same lack of practice a few weeks | ||
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FaCE_1
Canada6184 Posts
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