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[SPL] SK Telecom T1 vs Woongjin Stars - Page 4

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mOnion
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5657 Posts
October 08 2009 17:23 GMT
#61
this'll be the first match i watch on my OGN channel on my TV!!!
and the first match is bisu!!!

OMG THIS IS SO PERFECT
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meeple
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada10211 Posts
October 08 2009 17:34 GMT
#62
I love how early this is... and the op looks awesome... SKT looks strong this season
Shikyo
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Finland33997 Posts
October 08 2009 17:53 GMT
#63
On October 08 2009 22:43 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2009 15:57 mog87 wrote:
On October 08 2009 14:57 fanatacist wrote:
On October 08 2009 14:52 mog87 wrote:
Ill pick woonjin and I def think you have to pick zero over bisu if it goes to ace on HBR..REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME?!???

Consistency > one-game fiasco imo.

On October 08 2009 14:53 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On October 08 2009 14:52 fanatacist wrote:
On October 08 2009 14:40 Avidkeystamper wrote:
What a way to kick off the season! Also, is Best literally B-teamed? If so, source?
Also, just unbanned in time for the Starcraft to start.

No but his absence here is one indicator, although like someone else has mentioned it could also be the necessity of mirror Z's on certain maps. Another indicator is his loss in MSL offlines. A third is his presence with the B-teamers in the map tests. I have no actual source, but if he isn't there yet I predict he soon will be (unless of course he cleans his act up, but that'd be redundant to say).


Doesn't Best always lose in MSL offlines?

If that's true then that's pretty pathetic, if his competition was as light as it was this time around.


Uh Bisu also consistently loses vs Zero, hes like 1-4....but thanks for helping my point?

Free beating fantasy isnt much of an upset either, Im not sure I remember the map stats for match point, so depending on the balance i suppose it could be considered a minor upset.

Uh Bisu is also the best Protoss in the world and Zero is the second... wait no, third.... wait no, fourth... maybe... best Zerg. Considering their careers, relative win rates, etc. Bisu is a more consistent player. Trying to bend my words to your argument, nice try.

Fantasy has the best TvP in the world. Free is the second... wait no, third... wait no, fourth... maybe... best at PvT. Considering their careers, relative win rates, etc. Fantasy is a more consistent player.


Fantasy has the best TvP in the world? Sure, whatever you say... I'd pick Flash over him any day of the week.

Also, you can't really argue like that about Bisu vs Zero. It's about who's most likely to win when playing against each other, not about who's the best player of their respective races. I guess Bisu might be the favorite, still, although it wouldn't surprise me if Zero beat him with some queens.
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Jayson X
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Switzerland2431 Posts
October 08 2009 17:57 GMT
#64
Finaly i have a saturday off and the first game with my fav team.
I'M FUCKING UBER HYPED PEOPLE.

The break is over!!!!! SKT1 FIGHTING!
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-08 18:10:57
October 08 2009 18:10 GMT
#65
On October 09 2009 02:18 vnlegend wrote:
fanatacist definitely living up to his name. Bisu will be 'consistently' favored to lose against Zero.

Lol.

On October 09 2009 02:23 mOnion wrote:
this'll be the first match i watch on my OGN channel on my TV!!!
and the first match is bisu!!!

OMG THIS IS SO PERFECT

Congrats! Lucky n_n

Peace~
iloahz
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
United States964 Posts
October 08 2009 18:11 GMT
#66
Hyuk is the clear favourite over Kwanro, and why is everyone predicting the other way around...
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
October 08 2009 18:13 GMT
#67
On October 09 2009 02:53 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2009 22:43 fanatacist wrote:
On October 08 2009 15:57 mog87 wrote:
On October 08 2009 14:57 fanatacist wrote:
On October 08 2009 14:52 mog87 wrote:
Ill pick woonjin and I def think you have to pick zero over bisu if it goes to ace on HBR..REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME?!???

Consistency > one-game fiasco imo.

On October 08 2009 14:53 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On October 08 2009 14:52 fanatacist wrote:
On October 08 2009 14:40 Avidkeystamper wrote:
What a way to kick off the season! Also, is Best literally B-teamed? If so, source?
Also, just unbanned in time for the Starcraft to start.

No but his absence here is one indicator, although like someone else has mentioned it could also be the necessity of mirror Z's on certain maps. Another indicator is his loss in MSL offlines. A third is his presence with the B-teamers in the map tests. I have no actual source, but if he isn't there yet I predict he soon will be (unless of course he cleans his act up, but that'd be redundant to say).


Doesn't Best always lose in MSL offlines?

If that's true then that's pretty pathetic, if his competition was as light as it was this time around.


Uh Bisu also consistently loses vs Zero, hes like 1-4....but thanks for helping my point?

Free beating fantasy isnt much of an upset either, Im not sure I remember the map stats for match point, so depending on the balance i suppose it could be considered a minor upset.

Uh Bisu is also the best Protoss in the world and Zero is the second... wait no, third.... wait no, fourth... maybe... best Zerg. Considering their careers, relative win rates, etc. Bisu is a more consistent player. Trying to bend my words to your argument, nice try.

Fantasy has the best TvP in the world. Free is the second... wait no, third... wait no, fourth... maybe... best at PvT. Considering their careers, relative win rates, etc. Fantasy is a more consistent player.


Fantasy has the best TvP in the world? Sure, whatever you say... I'd pick Flash over him any day of the week.

Also, you can't really argue like that about Bisu vs Zero. It's about who's most likely to win when playing against each other, not about who's the best player of their respective races. I guess Bisu might be the favorite, still, although it wouldn't surprise me if Zero beat him with some queens.

Before jumping on me, read my later posts (about the Flash vs. Fantasy thing).

What you say is true in the absolute sense, but Bisu's PvZ is the best in the world as well. Sure, this could mean nothing if the best PvZ in the world is worse than the top 3 ZvP players in the world, but I don't think that's the case. I agree with you - I wouldn't be surprised if ZerO won, but I think Bisu is still the favorite. Bisu is still more consistent, more reputed (for good reason), and more experienced.
Peace~
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
October 08 2009 18:15 GMT
#68
On October 09 2009 03:11 iloahz wrote:
Hyuk is the clear favourite over Kwanro, and why is everyone predicting the other way around...

I think that even though it seems that Hyuk has been performing better recently, Kwanro was in the MSL finals (although he lost 3-1 to Calm in ZvZ, that is still more than anything Hyuk has accomplished in individual leagues), and is also more experienced. I think Kwanro's style of play in general makes his ZvZ weaker than his other MUs, but that is an admittedly subjective judgment. I don't think there is a clear favorite, no matter how you spin it. Hope for a good match n_n
Peace~
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 08 2009 18:23 GMT
#69
Oh lord, that is a horrid draw for Stars...
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Arkqn
Profile Joined August 2008
France589 Posts
October 08 2009 18:23 GMT
#70
Wait wat. Kwanro in Woojing Stars? I think I missed something here..
Elena[PaiN]
Oedi
Profile Joined December 2008
Canada265 Posts
October 08 2009 18:26 GMT
#71
Wait, when did Kwanro become part of the stars???
fanatacist
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
10319 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-10-08 18:27:37
October 08 2009 18:27 GMT
#72
On October 09 2009 03:23 Arkqn wrote:
Wait wat. Kwanro in Woojing Stars? I think I missed something here..

On October 09 2009 03:26 Oedi wrote:
Wait, when did Kwanro become part of the stars???


http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=103305

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=103241
Peace~
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
October 08 2009 18:53 GMT
#73
On October 08 2009 14:36 fanatacist wrote:
Strange line-up coming from SKT, I guess it's because Best is B-teamed now.

SKT FIGHTING

Best isn't playing because there is only one toss-favoredish map
Zubins
Profile Joined January 2009
United States118 Posts
October 08 2009 18:56 GMT
#74
wow awesome OP and banner gj!
zazen
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Brazil695 Posts
October 08 2009 19:13 GMT
#75
FUUUUU both Kwanro and Hyuk in my fantasy team...
"The quest for nexus has brought many men of genius to insanity... HUEHUEHUE!"
Itachii
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Poland12466 Posts
October 08 2009 19:13 GMT
#76
Ace game for Bisu, got a feeling that Fantasy is going to fail T_T
Bisu and hot Hyuk should win, and Thezerg is Thezerg afterall.
La parole nous a été donnée pour déguiser notre pensée
Iplaythings
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Denmark9110 Posts
October 08 2009 19:16 GMT
#77
On October 09 2009 00:12 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2009 23:53 Iplaythings wrote:
True, but stats is still a noname at some point, but Fantasy dropped a game to Shuttle in the UPC (again good PvT, Ì know) but even though shuttle, stats and stork all has a S starting names and good PvT, Fantasy was said to have S class TvP, it just seems weird that he has lost so much considering it to be his strongest MU.

Did you really just use a showmatch as an example against Fantasy?

What showmatch? UPC?
In the woods, there lurks..
3 Lions
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3705 Posts
October 08 2009 19:18 GMT
#78
On October 09 2009 04:16 Iplaythings wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 09 2009 00:12 TheYango wrote:
On October 08 2009 23:53 Iplaythings wrote:
True, but stats is still a noname at some point, but Fantasy dropped a game to Shuttle in the UPC (again good PvT, Ì know) but even though shuttle, stats and stork all has a S starting names and good PvT, Fantasy was said to have S class TvP, it just seems weird that he has lost so much considering it to be his strongest MU.

Did you really just use a showmatch as an example against Fantasy?

What showmatch? UPC?

I don't think people took UPC seriously...
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
October 08 2009 19:34 GMT
#79
On October 08 2009 22:43 fanatacist wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 08 2009 15:57 mog87 wrote:
On October 08 2009 14:57 fanatacist wrote:
On October 08 2009 14:52 mog87 wrote:
Ill pick woonjin and I def think you have to pick zero over bisu if it goes to ace on HBR..REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME?!???

Consistency > one-game fiasco imo.

On October 08 2009 14:53 Kyuukyuu wrote:
On October 08 2009 14:52 fanatacist wrote:
On October 08 2009 14:40 Avidkeystamper wrote:
What a way to kick off the season! Also, is Best literally B-teamed? If so, source?
Also, just unbanned in time for the Starcraft to start.

No but his absence here is one indicator, although like someone else has mentioned it could also be the necessity of mirror Z's on certain maps. Another indicator is his loss in MSL offlines. A third is his presence with the B-teamers in the map tests. I have no actual source, but if he isn't there yet I predict he soon will be (unless of course he cleans his act up, but that'd be redundant to say).


Doesn't Best always lose in MSL offlines?

If that's true then that's pretty pathetic, if his competition was as light as it was this time around.


Uh Bisu also consistently loses vs Zero, hes like 1-4....but thanks for helping my point?

Free beating fantasy isnt much of an upset either, Im not sure I remember the map stats for match point, so depending on the balance i suppose it could be considered a minor upset.

Uh Bisu is also the best Protoss in the world and Zero is the second... wait no, third.... wait no, fourth... maybe... best Zerg. Considering their careers, relative win rates, etc. Bisu is a more consistent player. Trying to bend my words to your argument, nice try.

Fantasy has the best TvP in the world. Free is the second... wait no, third... wait no, fourth... maybe... best at PvT. Considering their careers, relative win rates, etc. Fantasy is a more consistent player.


How is that relevant to picking Bisu over Zero, when RECENTLY hes been dominated by zero, and was absolutely torn apart on the same map. Obviously Bisu can win, but Zero is the favorite and you say Bisu is the best protoss in the world, but thats meaningless because right now zero is one of the best ZvPers.

Fantasy best tvp in the world meh, Ive stuck by Flash being the best at every MU, and free being fourth or third best at TvP is nice, but his PvT is more than good enough to beat fantasy, regardless of Stork and Jangbi being better historic PvTers. That being said my point was Free beating Fantasy isnt an upset at all. Fantasy would only be a slight favorite before considering the map balance.
Nevuk
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States16280 Posts
October 08 2009 19:36 GMT
#80
Wasn't matchpoint really really T> P but P > Z ?
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