|
Actually Kwanro is just what the stars need to start performing with the top teams again . I wouldn't be surprised if they beat SKT here .
|
On October 08 2009 18:24 raga4ka wrote:
Actually Kwanro is just what the stars need to start performing with the top teams again . I wouldn't be surprised if they beat SKT here .
Don´t think so. SKT1 is most likely to win, but at least now, Stars have at least a chance for an upset.
|
Germany2762 Posts
kwanro, free and zero for woongjin... this is a sexy lineup 
|
|
|
On October 08 2009 15:57 mog87 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2009 14:57 fanatacist wrote:On October 08 2009 14:52 mog87 wrote:
Ill pick woonjin and I def think you have to pick zero over bisu if it goes to ace on HBR..REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME?!??? Consistency > one-game fiasco imo. On October 08 2009 14:53 Kyuukyuu wrote:On October 08 2009 14:52 fanatacist wrote:On October 08 2009 14:40 Avidkeystamper wrote:
What a way to kick off the season! Also, is Best literally B-teamed? If so, source?
Also, just unbanned in time for the Starcraft to start. No but his absence here is one indicator, although like someone else has mentioned it could also be the necessity of mirror Z's on certain maps. Another indicator is his loss in MSL offlines. A third is his presence with the B-teamers in the map tests. I have no actual source, but if he isn't there yet I predict he soon will be (unless of course he cleans his act up, but that'd be redundant to say). Doesn't Best always lose in MSL offlines? If that's true then that's pretty pathetic, if his competition was as light as it was this time around. Uh Bisu also consistently loses vs Zero, hes like 1-4....but thanks for helping my point? Free beating fantasy isnt much of an upset either, Im not sure I remember the map stats for match point, so depending on the balance i suppose it could be considered a minor upset.
Uh Bisu is also the best Protoss in the world and Zero is the second... wait no, third.... wait no, fourth... maybe... best Zerg. Considering their careers, relative win rates, etc. Bisu is a more consistent player. Trying to bend my words to your argument, nice try.
Fantasy has the best TvP in the world. Free is the second... wait no, third... wait no, fourth... maybe... best at PvT. Considering their careers, relative win rates, etc. Fantasy is a more consistent player.
|
On October 08 2009 22:43 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2009 15:57 mog87 wrote:On October 08 2009 14:57 fanatacist wrote:On October 08 2009 14:52 mog87 wrote:
Ill pick woonjin and I def think you have to pick zero over bisu if it goes to ace on HBR..REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME?!??? Consistency > one-game fiasco imo. On October 08 2009 14:53 Kyuukyuu wrote:On October 08 2009 14:52 fanatacist wrote:On October 08 2009 14:40 Avidkeystamper wrote:
What a way to kick off the season! Also, is Best literally B-teamed? If so, source?
Also, just unbanned in time for the Starcraft to start. No but his absence here is one indicator, although like someone else has mentioned it could also be the necessity of mirror Z's on certain maps. Another indicator is his loss in MSL offlines. A third is his presence with the B-teamers in the map tests. I have no actual source, but if he isn't there yet I predict he soon will be (unless of course he cleans his act up, but that'd be redundant to say). Doesn't Best always lose in MSL offlines? If that's true then that's pretty pathetic, if his competition was as light as it was this time around. Uh Bisu also consistently loses vs Zero, hes like 1-4....but thanks for helping my point? Free beating fantasy isnt much of an upset either, Im not sure I remember the map stats for match point, so depending on the balance i suppose it could be considered a minor upset. Uh Bisu is also the best Protoss in the world and Zero is the second... wait no, third.... wait no, fourth... maybe... best Zerg. Considering their careers, relative win rates, etc. Bisu is a more consistent player. Trying to bend my words to your argument, nice try. Fantasy has the best TvP in the world. Free is the second... wait no, third... wait no, fourth... maybe... best at PvT. Considering their careers, relative win rates, etc. Fantasy is a more consistent player.
Check out Fantasy's recent games vs P, he has been pretty much raped by Dinotoss lately, and he just lost to Stats in the mst...
And Fantasy is 3-7 in his last games against P... I think it could be safe to say that the OSL sent him to a slump... again.
|
United States2822 Posts
On October 08 2009 22:47 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2009 22:43 fanatacist wrote:On October 08 2009 15:57 mog87 wrote:On October 08 2009 14:57 fanatacist wrote:On October 08 2009 14:52 mog87 wrote:
Ill pick woonjin and I def think you have to pick zero over bisu if it goes to ace on HBR..REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME?!??? Consistency > one-game fiasco imo. On October 08 2009 14:53 Kyuukyuu wrote:On October 08 2009 14:52 fanatacist wrote:On October 08 2009 14:40 Avidkeystamper wrote:
What a way to kick off the season! Also, is Best literally B-teamed? If so, source?
Also, just unbanned in time for the Starcraft to start. No but his absence here is one indicator, although like someone else has mentioned it could also be the necessity of mirror Z's on certain maps. Another indicator is his loss in MSL offlines. A third is his presence with the B-teamers in the map tests. I have no actual source, but if he isn't there yet I predict he soon will be (unless of course he cleans his act up, but that'd be redundant to say). Doesn't Best always lose in MSL offlines? If that's true then that's pretty pathetic, if his competition was as light as it was this time around. Uh Bisu also consistently loses vs Zero, hes like 1-4....but thanks for helping my point? Free beating fantasy isnt much of an upset either, Im not sure I remember the map stats for match point, so depending on the balance i suppose it could be considered a minor upset. Uh Bisu is also the best Protoss in the world and Zero is the second... wait no, third.... wait no, fourth... maybe... best Zerg. Considering their careers, relative win rates, etc. Bisu is a more consistent player. Trying to bend my words to your argument, nice try. Fantasy has the best TvP in the world. Free is the second... wait no, third... wait no, fourth... maybe... best at PvT. Considering their careers, relative win rates, etc. Fantasy is a more consistent player. Check out Fantasy's recent games vs P, he has been pretty much raped by Dinotoss lately, and he just lost to Stats in the mst... And Fantasy is 3-7 in his last games against P... I think it could be safe to say that the OSL sent him to a slump... again.
Stats is really good PvT and is undefeated (7-0) PvT on that map. I think it would have been an upset if Fantasy won that match, honestly.
|
Should be Best v. Piano and Bisu v. Free, too bad maps suck =(
|
Probably gonna come down to Bisu v. Zero in ace, it'll be great to see Bisu win some pride for PvZ before Protosses get crushed for the rest of the season.
|
On October 08 2009 22:47 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2009 22:43 fanatacist wrote:On October 08 2009 15:57 mog87 wrote:On October 08 2009 14:57 fanatacist wrote:On October 08 2009 14:52 mog87 wrote:
Ill pick woonjin and I def think you have to pick zero over bisu if it goes to ace on HBR..REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME?!??? Consistency > one-game fiasco imo. On October 08 2009 14:53 Kyuukyuu wrote:On October 08 2009 14:52 fanatacist wrote:On October 08 2009 14:40 Avidkeystamper wrote:
What a way to kick off the season! Also, is Best literally B-teamed? If so, source?
Also, just unbanned in time for the Starcraft to start. No but his absence here is one indicator, although like someone else has mentioned it could also be the necessity of mirror Z's on certain maps. Another indicator is his loss in MSL offlines. A third is his presence with the B-teamers in the map tests. I have no actual source, but if he isn't there yet I predict he soon will be (unless of course he cleans his act up, but that'd be redundant to say). Doesn't Best always lose in MSL offlines? If that's true then that's pretty pathetic, if his competition was as light as it was this time around. Uh Bisu also consistently loses vs Zero, hes like 1-4....but thanks for helping my point? Free beating fantasy isnt much of an upset either, Im not sure I remember the map stats for match point, so depending on the balance i suppose it could be considered a minor upset. Uh Bisu is also the best Protoss in the world and Zero is the second... wait no, third.... wait no, fourth... maybe... best Zerg. Considering their careers, relative win rates, etc. Bisu is a more consistent player. Trying to bend my words to your argument, nice try. Fantasy has the best TvP in the world. Free is the second... wait no, third... wait no, fourth... maybe... best at PvT. Considering their careers, relative win rates, etc. Fantasy is a more consistent player. Check out Fantasy's recent games vs P, he has been pretty much raped by Dinotoss lately, and he just lost to Stats in the mst... And Fantasy is 3-7 in his last games against P... I think it could be safe to say that the OSL sent him to a slump... again.
I would put more weight to your statement if Stork's PvT wasn't so good and consistent throughout his career (minus the slump spans here and there). Stats is also a good PvT player as someone else has mentioned.
Whether or not he is slumping only time will tell, but I think judging that based on the past 10 games is foolhardy at this point.
|
On October 08 2009 23:29 Slow Motion wrote:
Probably gonna come down to Bisu v. Zero in ace, it'll be great to see Bisu win some pride for PvZ before Protosses get crushed for the rest of the season.
This would be great. And unfortunately I think you are right about the upcoming season. We need another revolution, this time though I think it would(should?) be a step to more economically conservative, micro and tech-oriented timing builds.
|
pripple
Finland1714 Posts
oh the OP looks damn sweet! One single vote for no, not really at the are you hyped poll ;p
if Hyuk actually ain't an SKT failzerg anymore then SKT is gonna take this, otherwise not!
|
On October 08 2009 23:33 fanatacist wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2009 22:47 Iplaythings wrote:On October 08 2009 22:43 fanatacist wrote:On October 08 2009 15:57 mog87 wrote:On October 08 2009 14:57 fanatacist wrote:On October 08 2009 14:52 mog87 wrote:
Ill pick woonjin and I def think you have to pick zero over bisu if it goes to ace on HBR..REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME?!??? Consistency > one-game fiasco imo. On October 08 2009 14:53 Kyuukyuu wrote:On October 08 2009 14:52 fanatacist wrote:On October 08 2009 14:40 Avidkeystamper wrote:
What a way to kick off the season! Also, is Best literally B-teamed? If so, source?
Also, just unbanned in time for the Starcraft to start. No but his absence here is one indicator, although like someone else has mentioned it could also be the necessity of mirror Z's on certain maps. Another indicator is his loss in MSL offlines. A third is his presence with the B-teamers in the map tests. I have no actual source, but if he isn't there yet I predict he soon will be (unless of course he cleans his act up, but that'd be redundant to say). Doesn't Best always lose in MSL offlines? If that's true then that's pretty pathetic, if his competition was as light as it was this time around. Uh Bisu also consistently loses vs Zero, hes like 1-4....but thanks for helping my point? Free beating fantasy isnt much of an upset either, Im not sure I remember the map stats for match point, so depending on the balance i suppose it could be considered a minor upset. Uh Bisu is also the best Protoss in the world and Zero is the second... wait no, third.... wait no, fourth... maybe... best Zerg. Considering their careers, relative win rates, etc. Bisu is a more consistent player. Trying to bend my words to your argument, nice try. Fantasy has the best TvP in the world. Free is the second... wait no, third... wait no, fourth... maybe... best at PvT. Considering their careers, relative win rates, etc. Fantasy is a more consistent player. Check out Fantasy's recent games vs P, he has been pretty much raped by Dinotoss lately, and he just lost to Stats in the mst... And Fantasy is 3-7 in his last games against P... I think it could be safe to say that the OSL sent him to a slump... again. I would put more weight to your statement if Stork's PvT wasn't so good and consistent throughout his career (minus the slump spans here and there). Stats is also a good PvT player as someone else has mentioned. Whether or not he is slumping only time will tell, but I think judging that based on the past 10 games is foolhardy at this point.
True, but stats is still a noname at some point, but Fantasy dropped a game to Shuttle in the UPC (again good PvT, Ì know) but even though shuttle, stats and stork all has a S starting names and good PvT, Fantasy was said to have S class TvP, it just seems weird that he has lost so much considering it to be his strongest MU.
|
United States47024 Posts
On October 08 2009 23:53 Iplaythings wrote:
True, but stats is still a noname at some point, but Fantasy dropped a game to Shuttle in the UPC (again good PvT, Ì know) but even though shuttle, stats and stork all has a S starting names and good PvT, Fantasy was said to have S class TvP, it just seems weird that he has lost so much considering it to be his strongest MU.
Did you really just use a showmatch as an example against Fantasy?
|
|
|
On October 08 2009 23:53 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2009 23:33 fanatacist wrote:On October 08 2009 22:47 Iplaythings wrote:On October 08 2009 22:43 fanatacist wrote:On October 08 2009 15:57 mog87 wrote:On October 08 2009 14:57 fanatacist wrote:On October 08 2009 14:52 mog87 wrote:
Ill pick woonjin and I def think you have to pick zero over bisu if it goes to ace on HBR..REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME?!??? Consistency > one-game fiasco imo. On October 08 2009 14:53 Kyuukyuu wrote:On October 08 2009 14:52 fanatacist wrote:On October 08 2009 14:40 Avidkeystamper wrote:
What a way to kick off the season! Also, is Best literally B-teamed? If so, source?
Also, just unbanned in time for the Starcraft to start. No but his absence here is one indicator, although like someone else has mentioned it could also be the necessity of mirror Z's on certain maps. Another indicator is his loss in MSL offlines. A third is his presence with the B-teamers in the map tests. I have no actual source, but if he isn't there yet I predict he soon will be (unless of course he cleans his act up, but that'd be redundant to say). Doesn't Best always lose in MSL offlines? If that's true then that's pretty pathetic, if his competition was as light as it was this time around. Uh Bisu also consistently loses vs Zero, hes like 1-4....but thanks for helping my point? Free beating fantasy isnt much of an upset either, Im not sure I remember the map stats for match point, so depending on the balance i suppose it could be considered a minor upset. Uh Bisu is also the best Protoss in the world and Zero is the second... wait no, third.... wait no, fourth... maybe... best Zerg. Considering their careers, relative win rates, etc. Bisu is a more consistent player. Trying to bend my words to your argument, nice try. Fantasy has the best TvP in the world. Free is the second... wait no, third... wait no, fourth... maybe... best at PvT. Considering their careers, relative win rates, etc. Fantasy is a more consistent player. Check out Fantasy's recent games vs P, he has been pretty much raped by Dinotoss lately, and he just lost to Stats in the mst... And Fantasy is 3-7 in his last games against P... I think it could be safe to say that the OSL sent him to a slump... again. I would put more weight to your statement if Stork's PvT wasn't so good and consistent throughout his career (minus the slump spans here and there). Stats is also a good PvT player as someone else has mentioned. Whether or not he is slumping only time will tell, but I think judging that based on the past 10 games is foolhardy at this point. True, but stats is still a noname at some point, but Fantasy dropped a game to Shuttle in the UPC (again good PvT, Ì know) but even though shuttle, stats and stork all has a S starting names and good PvT, Fantasy was said to have S class TvP, it just seems weird that he has lost so much considering it to be his strongest MU.
This is more indicative of the current state of StarCraft than the inability of any player, IMO. S-class is that much closer to A-class, A-class closer to-B class, so on and so forth. Many people are still thinking in terms of Oov/Nada/Savior domination when they think of S-class - the fact is that S-class, at least to me, means that they are the overall best in the scene at that MU. For example, even though Fantasy lost those games (and like you said they are against relatively solid PvT players), he is still the best at TvP, with Flash being either a close second or better (you can make arguments for either). Both of them have S-class TvP, but they can still lose games. This is pretty much the reason why we don't have a bonjwa now.
|
On October 08 2009 22:47 Iplaythings wrote:Show nested quote +On October 08 2009 22:43 fanatacist wrote:On October 08 2009 15:57 mog87 wrote:On October 08 2009 14:57 fanatacist wrote:On October 08 2009 14:52 mog87 wrote:
Ill pick woonjin and I def think you have to pick zero over bisu if it goes to ace on HBR..REMEMBER WHAT HAPPENED LAST TIME?!??? Consistency > one-game fiasco imo. On October 08 2009 14:53 Kyuukyuu wrote:On October 08 2009 14:52 fanatacist wrote:On October 08 2009 14:40 Avidkeystamper wrote:
What a way to kick off the season! Also, is Best literally B-teamed? If so, source?
Also, just unbanned in time for the Starcraft to start. No but his absence here is one indicator, although like someone else has mentioned it could also be the necessity of mirror Z's on certain maps. Another indicator is his loss in MSL offlines. A third is his presence with the B-teamers in the map tests. I have no actual source, but if he isn't there yet I predict he soon will be (unless of course he cleans his act up, but that'd be redundant to say). Doesn't Best always lose in MSL offlines? If that's true then that's pretty pathetic, if his competition was as light as it was this time around. Uh Bisu also consistently loses vs Zero, hes like 1-4....but thanks for helping my point? Free beating fantasy isnt much of an upset either, Im not sure I remember the map stats for match point, so depending on the balance i suppose it could be considered a minor upset. Uh Bisu is also the best Protoss in the world and Zero is the second... wait no, third.... wait no, fourth... maybe... best Zerg. Considering their careers, relative win rates, etc. Bisu is a more consistent player. Trying to bend my words to your argument, nice try. Fantasy has the best TvP in the world. Free is the second... wait no, third... wait no, fourth... maybe... best at PvT. Considering their careers, relative win rates, etc. Fantasy is a more consistent player. Check out Fantasy's recent games vs P, he has been pretty much raped by Dinotoss lately, and he just lost to Stats in the mst... And Fantasy is 3-7 in his last games against P... I think it could be safe to say that the OSL sent him to a slump... again.
Thanks for spoilering that...
|
United States4796 Posts
Strange template, but it's beautiful. Props to whoever made it.
|
what is this? skt actually fielding some zergs? i feel like something's wrong
also, the the op is kick ass
|
fanatacist definitely living up to his name. Bisu will be 'consistently' favored to lose against Zero.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
