EPTThe Nostalgia Tournament - Page 3
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YoungModerN
Brazil389 Posts
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Eatme
Switzerland3919 Posts
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nttea
Sweden4353 Posts
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Atom Cannister
Germany380 Posts
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Boertie
Netherlands98 Posts
 And I thought there were gonna be oldschool players, the only one I know is ret and I know for sure he isn't oldschool. | ||
Liquid`Drone
Norway28911 Posts
player selection is very good considering they both want people who have played for a long time and who are still playing.. and if ret is the only player you know among that list then you can't have paid enough attention to the scene to have any idea who is oldschool and not anyway. | ||
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StarBrift
Sweden1761 Posts
Sorry for the attitude but I don't udnerstand how people can want to watch a tournament on imbalanced maps. | ||
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konadora
Singapore66366 Posts
this is gonna be so awesome (will there be VODs up though?) | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28911 Posts
I would be surprised if idra lost any tvz on nostalgia tho, and the terrans are clear favourites on valhalla, but upsets do happen. ;p | ||
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ZooG
Sweden618 Posts
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EGLzGaMeR
United States1867 Posts
On September 14 2009 19:45 Atom Cannister wrote: No LZ??? nope wasnt invited  artosis fighting!~ | ||
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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
On September 14 2009 23:30 Liquid`Drone wrote: a map being imbalanced does not guarantee a victory for the race with the advantage.. if a matchup on a map is considered really really imbalanced then the race with the disadvantage still normally wins like 40% of the time. additionally these maps are so old and people haven't practiced them in forever meaning that people won't have fine-tuned the imbalanced build orders. ;p I would be surprised if idra lost any tvz on nostalgia tho, and the terrans are clear favourites on valhalla, but upsets do happen. ;p That argument might hold as far as the first three maps are concerned, but certainly not in regards to Neo Hall of Valhalla. Island maps have always been horrible for Zerg and even Protoss have a fair amount of trouble with them. Unrefined build orders or not, Terran 1-base play is more viable then that of other races. Plus, Terrans can lift their Command Centers, meaning that on a map with unblocked expansions (such as Neo Hall of Valhalla), Terrans can take an expansion easier, quicker and safer then the other two races. This is a fudamental flaw of the island maps of the time, which cannot be resolved simply by hoping for upsets to happen. Xeris is the organiser of the tournament, so it is up to him and the anonymous doner to decide what maps are used. I just think that, considering that there are much better balanced old school maps out there, it would be a terrible waste to invest so much money for games played on a highly one-sided map. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28911 Posts
back in the day I was winning more zvp and zvt island maps than I was winning zvp and zvt land maps. but yea I wouldve preferred picking a different island map than hov, goliaths are honestly a little too good there. | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28911 Posts
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Sixer
United States278 Posts
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Boertie
Netherlands98 Posts
Love and cheers to you all! | ||
CaucasianAsian
Korea (South)11602 Posts
On September 15 2009 01:29 Liquid`Drone wrote: but on halls of valhalla the only exp terran can liftoff to safely is a mineral only and that doesnt help much, islands are absolutely a gas war. HOV is moreso a platform map, once each race gets their natural down, it becomes more standard play does it not? | ||
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Liquid`Drone
Norway28911 Posts
On September 15 2009 01:39 Boertie wrote: I consider everything after 2001 newschool. I haven't been in touch with community since than, I only got back in the community when the TSL started. Loved it and stayed with it. So when you are talking about oldschool and when I am talking about oldschool there lies the diffrence. Doesn't matter though, can't wait to see how people are doing at those 'imba' maps. Love and cheers to you all! i've been playing since april 1998. i know that artosis and louder both played from at least 1999 as well. mostly everyone else invited started later or at least arrived on the scene later. I know that "truly oldschool" would be something like jester pillars gadianton thor agent911 etc etc etc but the thing is, none of those players play anymore. with a couple exceptions, kolll prolly the most notable, this list of players is a very very good compromise between current skill and having played for a long time. | ||
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Tom Phoenix
1114 Posts
As far taking expansions safely is concerned, I am willing to take your word for it since you have played on this map and I did not (although I think a Terran could take the expansions between mains much more safely then the other two races; they look so vulnerable to Siege Tank shelling). Even so, that does not change the fact that 1 base play is more viable with Terrans then with the other two races. I am sure I have come off as a bit of a whiner, but that is not my intention. I just want this tournament to be the best it can be and I think it would be an awful waste if the games ended up awfully one-sided beacuse of the poor map balance. In order to make myself useful, here are some recommendations to potentially replace Neo Hall of Valhalla: + Show Spoiler + Luna Arcadia 2 Sin Peaks of Baekdu Ride of Valkyries Sin Gaema Gowon While I am sure you can find slight imbalances on these maps as well (I can already hear IdrA complaining about Carriers on Peaks), they still belong among some of the most well-balanced maps of all time. At the very least, they are certainly more optimised compared to Neo Hall of Valhalla. If you dislike those, you can check the Top 10 map lists I made based on a specific matchup in this thread. The lists are from early April 2009 and are thus slightly outdated, but should still be accurate for the most part. Plus, although some of those maps have horribily imbalanced matchups, I am sure you can find at least one map that is not too horrible even in it`s worst matchup. | ||
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inertinept
Bangladesh1195 Posts
the players got to choose which map they preferred the most. thats why you see mostly terrans on valhalla. | ||
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