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Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8552 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-30 07:27:25
August 30 2009 07:27 GMT
#561
On August 30 2009 16:26 motbob wrote:
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On August 30 2009 16:26 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On August 30 2009 16:25 motbob wrote:
On August 30 2009 16:23 eshlow wrote:
Jaedong is probably watching these finals and cringing at the poor play

This isn't poor play at all. Both players have been making the exact correct strategic decisions in both games. It's just the micro that's lacking, but I consider this very high level play from both players.

lacking micro in a zvz? :o

Micro didn't save JD against Calm.

Still important. Strategies are countered, micro won't be truly countered.
Jaedong
bearbuddy
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
3442 Posts
August 30 2009 07:27 GMT
#562
Iris dropping the ball against kwanro is still making me sad.

A very, very sad panda.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
August 30 2009 07:27 GMT
#563
On August 30 2009 16:27 Avidkeystamper wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 30 2009 16:26 motbob wrote:
On August 30 2009 16:26 Avidkeystamper wrote:
On August 30 2009 16:25 motbob wrote:
On August 30 2009 16:23 eshlow wrote:
Jaedong is probably watching these finals and cringing at the poor play

This isn't poor play at all. Both players have been making the exact correct strategic decisions in both games. It's just the micro that's lacking, but I consider this very high level play from both players.

lacking micro in a zvz? :o

Micro didn't save JD against Calm.

Still important.

It was there in game 1... Calm microed his drones well to deflect the sunk rush... it's just not perfect like we're used to seeing ZvZ micro.
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Musoeun
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States4324 Posts
August 30 2009 07:28 GMT
#564
On August 30 2009 16:20 GTR wrote:
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On August 30 2009 16:19 So no fek wrote:
You know, I thought this was going to be a ZvZ suckfest (in terms of entertainment), but it's actually quite awesome. Even if it is a literal suckfest.


it sucks that badly that its producing good games.


You know, I don't think so. I'm starting to think it's just that ZvZ has got to be the hardest MU to play. Calm's played brilliantly this MSL, and overall his ZvT and ZvP are really good. Kwanro... is less impressive, but his did wreck Stork (okay, lol), Flash, and Iris to get here.

But when BOTH players have so many units moving so fast, it's just hard to keep track of and "sloppiness" increases really quickly. But is it really sloppiness, or just the fact that there's so much going on it's almost impossible to keep track of it all? We've even seen JD forget drones before.

To my mind, it's like watching Bisu harass vs, say, Stork. Bisu can handle multi-tasking that most of the time even Stork/Jangbi/free can't. Now imagine that in PvP b/c of a hypothetical way the matchup works that harass becomes the ONLY viable style. Some players (like BeSt) would immediately become terrible PvP. Nobody would be able to keep up with Bisu.

So it's not so much a case of the play being bad as the matchup being really hard (and the players not being Jaedong).
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calvinL
Profile Joined October 2007
Canada416 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-30 07:29:54
August 30 2009 07:28 GMT
#565
On August 30 2009 16:26 iamho wrote:
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On August 30 2009 16:24 calvinL wrote:
these zvz's are so bad, maybe im just spoiled by jaedong's micro, but neither of these players seem like they have very good control


i hope you know that jaedong lost 1-3 to calm..


and you can also win games just by making the correct strategical decision, kwanro didn't even micro his units but because he made his extra hatch he won by outproducing calm. Both of these players haven't shown any good micro right now
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
August 30 2009 07:28 GMT
#566
On August 30 2009 16:26 Ideas wrote:
i still dont get how calm lost that


not scouting the 2nd hatch and bad muta micro
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So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
August 30 2009 07:30 GMT
#567
Hot chick is back on. :D
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StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
August 30 2009 07:30 GMT
#568
wtf she changed dresses
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
levelzx
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Poland174 Posts
August 30 2009 07:30 GMT
#569
Seriously, Kwanro sucks. Having 6 Larva vs and superior Drone count he was struggling like it was all even. 5+ Mutas lost to Scourges, terrible ling defence... Luckily for him, he kept pressure and fought in enemy base, so this didn't matter too much.

Still hoping Calm will pwn him.

Oh, and they're showing Kwanro's 5set win over Iris as his #1 win in this MSL. They really don't know that Iris gave this match away (probably forced by his coach)?
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Weasel-
Profile Joined June 2009
Canada1556 Posts
August 30 2009 07:30 GMT
#570
Are these different microphone chicks or is it the same one with a different colored dress each time?
StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
August 30 2009 07:31 GMT
#571
wtf she redid her hair + dress lolol
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-30 07:31:44
August 30 2009 07:31 GMT
#572
On August 30 2009 16:30 levelzx wrote:
Oh, and they're showing Kwanro's 5set win over Iris as his #1 win in this MSL. They really don't know that Iris gave this match away (probably forced by his coach)?

wow, get out of here.
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GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
August 30 2009 07:31 GMT
#573
Heeeeeeey it's calm's brother!
dl2agon
Profile Joined June 2009
United States473 Posts
August 30 2009 07:31 GMT
#574
On August 30 2009 16:30 StRyKeR wrote:
wtf she changed dresses


MBC needs some way of captivating the viewers in case the finals didnt turn out as exciting as they did. =p
jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
August 30 2009 07:31 GMT
#575
On August 30 2009 16:30 StRyKeR wrote:
wtf she changed dresses

3rd different outfit of the night lol
(>'.')>
aznhockeyboy16
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States558 Posts
August 30 2009 07:32 GMT
#576
I'm pretty sure they're doing the replays in order they were played...

lol... it looks like the same girl...
integral
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States3156 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-08-30 07:32:52
August 30 2009 07:32 GMT
#577
this finals being bad is a JOKE, you don't have to take it seriously. both of these players are competent. Calm outclassed jaedong himself in a ZvZ to get here. kwanro's strategy in set one was really fucking smart, but calm surrounded his lings, preventing him from defending the sunkens, which set him hugely behind.

it's only funny when you don't take it seriously :|

edit: this is fucking serious I hope you know that, IM BEING REALLY SINCERE RIGHT NOW

</irony>
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51461 Posts
August 30 2009 07:32 GMT
#578
kwanro's brother lool
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StRyKeR
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States1739 Posts
August 30 2009 07:32 GMT
#579
what are you talking about this is live
Ars longa, vita brevis, principia aeturna.
jonich0n
Profile Joined February 2009
United States1982 Posts
August 30 2009 07:32 GMT
#580
On August 30 2009 16:31 dl2agon wrote:
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On August 30 2009 16:30 StRyKeR wrote:
wtf she changed dresses


MBC needs some way of captivating the viewers in case the finals didnt turn out as exciting as they did. =p

well they sure got my attention, can't take my eyes off her even though I can't understand what's coming out of her mouth.

could be good thing though
(>'.')>
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