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LoveandPeace

United States99 Posts

November 04 2007 23:20 GMT

This Post is now "wikipedia-ized"
Name: LoveandPeace
Password: qwerasdfzxcv

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Example Branch:
ZERG: 3 HATCH: --> TOSS: FE: --> ZERG: 4gasmutasunk: --> TOSS: Archon + goon:

Hi all. If this idea has been mentioned before, or if people don't like it, please just don't post and the topic will sink down into oblivion.

I thought it would be nice to index the different possible things that can happen in any matchup, and put all of them in one place. For each thing that can happen, we can have a youtube link (or a few) that gives examples of pro gamers in that situation in the TLPD.

I'd like to start with ZvP because it is in my opinion, the most lovely matchup. Blow is the "strategy tree". Beneath each strategy, I hope to post youtube links of that thing happening in a game... so people can learn from it. I don't have all the TLPD references yet, but if other people like watching TLPD, I'm hoping this can be a kind of chip-in-as-u-go sort of thing.

Also, please let me know if I am missing any parts on the strategy tree

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ZvP (assume map=Python. If not, specify otherwise)
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ZERG: 3 HATCH:
(TLPD Examples) + Show Spoiler +

Notes on Execution + Show Spoiler +

12 Overlord, 12 Hatch, 11 pool, 14 hatch, then overlord and extractor asap. Should add 2-6 zerglings for killing scout and scouting. Should also add X number of sunks.

Idea is slower tech than 1 or 2 hatch, but with econ advantage. 2nd extractor typically goes up after lair finishes, but if opponent doesn't pressure, can mass drones and put 2nd extractor up earlier for more gas.

Continuation + Show Spoiler +

ZERG: 3 HATCH: --> TOSS: FE:
(TLPD Examples) + Show Spoiler +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N9bA8yR4Ck

Notes on Execution + Show Spoiler +

8 - Pylon at Nat
14 - Nexus at Nat(prepare for it, this is placed right as you reach 14)
15 - Forge at Nat
16 - Pylon at Main
17 - Gateway at Nat
18 - Cannon at Nat
19 - Gas at Main (Nexus should now be up)
23 - Cybernetics Core
24 - Zealot
28 - Pylon
30 - Pylon
31 - Gas at Nat
31 - Stargate
33 - Dragoon
35 - Cannon (at nat)
37 - Citadel of Adun
38 - Zealot
40 - Corsair
42 - Cannon (at nat)
42 - Second Gate at Nat
45 - Pylon
45 - Cannon (at nat)
45 - Templar Archives
48 - Corsair
50 - Pylon
51 - Corsair.

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ZERG: 3 HATCH: --> TOSS: FE: --> ZERG: 4 gas muta + sunk:
(TLPD Examples) + Show Spoiler +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N9bA8yR4Ck

Notes on Execution + Show Spoiler +

notes

Continuation + Show Spoiler +

ZERG: 3 HATCH: --> TOSS: FE: --> ZERG: 4gasmutasunk: --> TOSS: Duel Stargate corsairs:
(TLPD Examples) + Show Spoiler +

TLPD here

Execution Notes + Show Spoiler +

notes

Continuation + Show Spoiler +

continuation

ZERG: 3 HATCH: --> TOSS: FE: --> ZERG: 4gasmutasunk: --> TOSS: Archon + goon:
(TLPD Examples) + Show Spoiler +

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_N9bA8yR4Ck

Notes on Execution + Show Spoiler +

notes

Continuation + Show Spoiler +

continuation

ZERG: 3 HATCH: --> TOSS: FE: --> ZERG: 4gasmutasunk: --> TOSS: Archon + templar:
(TLPD Examples) + Show Spoiler +

TLPD here

Notes on Execution + Show Spoiler +

notes

Continuation + Show Spoiler +

continuation

ZERG: 3 HATCH: --> TOSS: FE: --> ZERG: Lurker contain:
(TLPD Examples) + Show Spoiler +

TLPD here

Notes on Execution + Show Spoiler +

notes

Continuation + Show Spoiler +

continuation

ZERG: 3 HATCH: --> TOSS: FE: --> ZERG: Muta harass:
(TLPD Examples) + Show Spoiler +

TLPD here

Notes on Execution + Show Spoiler +

notes

Continuation + Show Spoiler +

continuation

ZERG: 3 HATCH: --> TOSS: FE: --> ZERG: Mass hydra:
(TLPD Examples) + Show Spoiler +

TLPD here

Notes on Execution + Show Spoiler +

notes

Continuation + Show Spoiler +

continuation

ZERG: 3 HATCH: --> TOSS: 2 gate:
(TLPD Examples) + Show Spoiler +

TLPD here

Notes on Execution + Show Spoiler +

notes

Continuation + Show Spoiler +

continuation

ZERG: 3 HATCH: --> TOSS: 1 gate tech reavers:
(TLPD Examples) + Show Spoiler +

TLPD here

Notes on Execution + Show Spoiler +

notes

Continuation + Show Spoiler +

continuation

ZERG: 3 HATCH: --> TOSS: 1 gate tech Stargate:
(TLPD Examples) + Show Spoiler +

TLPD here

Notes on Execution + Show Spoiler +

notes

Continuation + Show Spoiler +

continuation

ZERG: 3 HATCH: --> TOSS: 1 gate tech Stargate + DT:
(TLPD Examples) + Show Spoiler +

TLPD here

Notes on Execution + Show Spoiler +

notes

Continuation + Show Spoiler +

continuation

ZERG: 12 POOL:
(TLPD Examples) + Show Spoiler +

TLPD here

Notes on Execution + Show Spoiler +

notes

Continuation + Show Spoiler +

Continuation

ZERG: 2 HATCH:
(TLPD Examples) + Show Spoiler +

TLPD here

Notes on Execution + Show Spoiler +

notes

Continuation + Show Spoiler +

Continuation

ZERG: 1 HATCH:
(TLPD Examples) + Show Spoiler +

TLPD here

Notes on Execution + Show Spoiler +

notes

Continuation + Show Spoiler +

Continuation

skyglow1

New Zealand3962 Posts

November 04 2007 23:33 GMT

Use [ ] instead of < > for spoilers.

Chill

Calgary26003 Posts

November 04 2007 23:48 GMT

We'll consider it.

Chill

Calgary26003 Posts

November 04 2007 23:49 GMT

In the mean time if you have any suggestions about what should be included or how this should operate, post them in this thread.

LoveandPeace

United States99 Posts

November 04 2007 23:59 GMT

Right now, I have the

ZERG: 3 HATCH: --> TOSS: FE: --> ZERG: 4gasmutasunk: --> TOSS: Archon + goon:

layed out as kind of an example

This whole branch has TLPD

RainmanMP

United States1699 Posts

November 05 2007 01:37 GMT

Good idea dude. Although you will obviously have to include all matchups.

LoveandPeace

United States99 Posts

November 05 2007 01:58 GMT

On November 05 2007 10:37 RainmanMP wrote:
Good idea dude. Although you will obviously have to include all matchups.

Honestly, I am not familiar with matchups besides ZvT and ZvP. I wonder if there is some way to make this into a wikipedia-like project so everyone can chip in a little in their own area of expertise, and after they see a TLPD game they really like, to just add it to the index.

bine

United States2352 Posts

November 05 2007 02:21 GMT

strategy wiki PLEEEEAASSSEE that would be so dope

d0da

United States103 Posts

November 05 2007 02:34 GMT

I would absolutely love this. As a beginner it's hard to get to a competitive level this late in the game's course. There almost needs to be formal lessons. This would be a terrific thing for Beginners though.

Scorpion

United States1974 Posts

November 05 2007 03:29 GMT

#10

On November 05 2007 11:21 bine wrote:
strategy wiki PLEEEEAASSSEE that would be so dope

Yes ~_~!

Dromar

United States2145 Posts

November 05 2007 04:01 GMT

#11

I very much approve.

Unfortunately, this is a HUGE task. It looks like it would suck to do. But filling it in a bit at a time wouldn't be too bad, and it would fill up relatively quickly after a few weeks worth of pro games.

GL.

ShaLLoW[baY]

Canada12499 Posts

November 05 2007 04:16 GMT

#12

On November 05 2007 12:29 Scorpion wrote:

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Yes ~_~!

My god do it!

randombum

United States2378 Posts

November 05 2007 04:31 GMT

#13

On November 05 2007 13:16 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:

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My god do it!

d0da

United States103 Posts

November 05 2007 04:44 GMT

#14

It'd probably be as simple as setting up a wiki and giving an example format. There's so much knowledge in the strategy forum it's a shame it isn't published in one super starcraft strategy/data index.

LoveandPeace

United States99 Posts

November 05 2007 06:36 GMT

#15

The only problem with doing this on wiki is that wiki doesn't allow spoiler tags. So here is how we will make This thread into a wiki.

Name: LoveandPeace
Password: qwerasdfzxcv

So hear ye hear ye, write a note and add your favorite strategy starting now. Let everyone chip in to make TLnet the best, newest, and most ingenious strategy guide ever to grace this planet. Whenever you watch anything new on TLPD, feel free to add it into the strategy tree, and add notes. If there is no branch, make one.

Back up the code before editing.

SonuvBob

Aiur21552 Posts

November 05 2007 06:47 GMT

#16

There are smarter ways of doing this.

LoveandPeace

United States99 Posts

November 05 2007 06:50 GMT

#17

On November 05 2007 15:47 SonuvBob wrote:

There are smarter ways of doing this.

I want this in TLnet rather than some other webpage. the community feel is more important than gaining a little more ease-of-use.

Besides, Wikipedia doesn't have spoilers. We could list out all the build orders in a list without using spoilers... but that would get too huge. We could also make a special webpage for it, but that would take away from the easy-to-edit-by-everyone wikipedia feel and the community feel.

If this takes off really well, I could imagine someone writing some javascript to make it prettier and easier to do. Even wikipedia started out small =)

LoveandPeace

United States99 Posts

November 05 2007 07:13 GMT

#18

Updated: 3 hatch EXEnotes... just something short.

Updated: ZERG: 3 HATCH: --> TOSS: FE:
EXEnotes... but is very noob, as I am not toss player.

d0da

United States103 Posts

November 05 2007 12:36 GMT

#19

I think most other people would rather have it be another site. One thread can get very unorganized very fast, especially when multiple people have access to the administrative forum account. It could just be a wikipedia index with team liquids name on it if they want to sponsor it.

Chill

Calgary26003 Posts

November 05 2007 14:07 GMT

#20

I urge you not to do this. Not that I don't have faith in your abilities and dedication, but without a huge group of skilled moderations, a system open to anyone to edit just won't work. We are working on something similar to this endorsed by Team Liquid. It would be silly to have two of the same project going. Plus I think you're jumping into this way too fast without dealing with the problems that will arise first.

Then again, if you want to have an open sourced one and we will have the Team Liquid one, I guess you're free to go ahead.

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