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iD.Surv
Profile Joined April 2004
Belgium827 Posts
October 17 2004 18:12 GMT
#21
FA go 2 gate whatever position u are it wont hurt u that much.
maritini
Profile Joined October 2004
Greece121 Posts
October 17 2004 18:32 GMT
#22
Make some hydras and keep expanding (natural and then once again). Just keep your ovies near your hydras. He ain't going for army he is teching so what's stopping you to power ? There is no need to rush things in my opinion
PrinCe (H)
Profile Joined July 2004
Honduras207 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-17 19:52:43
October 17 2004 19:52 GMT
#23
zymotic even tho i love you very much, you are wrong :p

by the time slow olli's arrive the toss already has his cannons up and maybe even hightemplars. and cannons just eat a small amount of hydralisks.

like ret said, play safe, power drones and power in tech.
Probe (H)
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
October 17 2004 19:55 GMT
#24
On October 18 2004 03:12 SW)Surv wrote:
FA go 2 gate whatever position u are it wont hurt u that much.

I almost always 2 gate, but if you are doing a dt sair build going 2 gate is not effecient.
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
PrinCe (H)
Profile Joined July 2004
Honduras207 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-17 20:36:37
October 17 2004 20:34 GMT
#25
if a protoss uses 2 gates vs me I know the game is won.

1 gates makes me wanna rush to den and lair because I do not wish to die to some early core strats.

50% of my zvp games are vs Strafe(yeye brag brag but this might indicate the level of protoss), he still uses 2 gate but not as often as he used to do. Because the protoss always has to catch up on the zerg when his "rush" fails (90% of the time).

And saying it will stop me from making 10000 drones or 10 expands is bullshit. The only real way to hurt my eco is zealots + probes (at least 3). If you make a micromistake you lose your zealots and your probes which will hurt your eco/tech even more than a regular 2 gate build.

Probe (H)
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4522 Posts
October 17 2004 21:06 GMT
#26
hm rugbug please notice i said GOOD protoss...^^;
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iD.Surv
Profile Joined April 2004
Belgium827 Posts
October 17 2004 21:31 GMT
#27
On October 18 2004 05:34 PrinCe (H) wrote:
if a protoss uses 2 gates vs me I know the game is won.

1 gates makes me wanna rush to den and lair because I do not wish to die to some early core strats.

50% of my zvp games are vs Strafe(yeye brag brag but this might indicate the level of protoss), he still uses 2 gate but not as often as he used to do. Because the protoss always has to catch up on the zerg when his "rush" fails (90% of the time).

And saying it will stop me from making 10000 drones or 10 expands is bullshit. The only real way to hurt my eco is zealots + probes (at least 3). If you make a micromistake you lose your zealots and your probes which will hurt your eco/tech even more than a regular 2 gate build.

strafe is good. good practice. but you are not the only one playing vs that kinda players.

2 gate opening doesnt mean all out rush and it definitly does not mean you win 100%. please try to be more constructive with your posts. and i agree toss can't make micro mistakes with his zealots it can mean game vs good z.
Also dont act like you are some hot shot player please. You are very average and when you did seem 'good' in iD you were hacking so that doesn't count. Win some tourneys or show some good games before you shit talk to others.
PrinCe (H)
Profile Joined July 2004
Honduras207 Posts
October 17 2004 21:44 GMT
#28
I guess that is the difference between you and me. You try to join the best teams possible, you try to play best players possible and get as high as possible on wgtour.

I wasn't trying to brag about people I play, I was just pointing the way good protoss thinks.

You may think im average but thats only because you HATE being outplayed by a hacker who calls your mom a whore.

I don't want to prove myselfes (especially not for you rofl) as a good player, the people I play with know my level of play and is as far as Im concerned thats enough.

Though this is getting offtopic.

2 gate is safe and can bring a zerg user in trouble (9/10 + probes) but imo 1 gate gives you more gas and a better eco.
Probe (H)
KissBlade
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
United States5718 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-17 21:51:56
October 17 2004 21:48 GMT
#29
I think I'm going to take ret's advice because anytime I go and try to hydra contain, they eventually break out with millions of speedlots/high templars and rape my hydra army. (or at least make me run all the way back to my nat) I still have nightmares of StainD's 12 kill high templar (I think it went up to 33 at the end of the game but I somehow won that nightmare ... maybe it's because I was 0-3 or 0-4 at that point) ...

I f00king hate that sair/dt build with a passion. Any more help would be appreciated too. =) It's not the one gate fast tech that gets me, it's the zealot rush => sair => one or two dt's.

PS. how'd you autowin vs. dual gate?
iD.Surv
Profile Joined April 2004
Belgium827 Posts
October 17 2004 21:59 GMT
#30
On October 18 2004 06:44 PrinCe (H) wrote:
I guess that is the difference between you and me. You try to join the best teams possible, you try to play best players possible and get as high as possible on wgtour.

I wasn't trying to brag about people I play, I was just pointing the way good protoss thinks.

You may think im average but thats only because you HATE being outplayed by a hacker who calls your mom a whore.

I don't want to prove myselfes (especially not for you rofl) as a good player, the people I play with know my level of play and is as far as Im concerned thats enough.

Though this is getting offtopic.

2 gate is safe and can bring a zerg user in trouble (9/10 + probes) but imo 1 gate gives you more gas and a better eco.
you lack stability. What are you trying to accomplish by trash talking like this anyway. Im not going to get mad at you because you are incapable of producing decent behavior. It always gets off topic with you man ... You provoce and wait. Then you trash talk and provoce some more. Why are you posting about me anyway? I think its normal to get in good clans no? I dont understand why you are posting this kinda stuff. I am not going to feel offended or be ashamed or whatever. You are right about me trying to join good clans. I also succeeded in this. SW) is a good clan maybe when i get better i can join even better clans whats the bad thing about this? I know you would never talk like this if you would ever meet me on some lan or wcg or god knows what so im going to dodge this offer to a flame war. If you got something to say PM me dont fuck up peoples vieuw with your clueless pointless comments about the OH so inferior surv...
PrinCe (H)
Profile Joined July 2004
Honduras207 Posts
October 17 2004 22:02 GMT
#31
Because protoss is behind in gas and tech, so you are in control when your lurkers or muta pop out. At that point you have spare minerals and gas for overlord grades so you can take your natural, islands and (if you are on 3) 12 for example.

Once you burrow your lurkers in front of his main and start massing hyd/ling you can do whatever you like.

Probe (H)
iD.Surv
Profile Joined April 2004
Belgium827 Posts
October 17 2004 22:06 GMT
#32
lets try some pvz we played 4 games in total and those games were like ages ago. I even made an rwa out of 1 lol :p
No trash talking just playing. I want to see how you autowin vs 2 gate.
PrinCe (H)
Profile Joined July 2004
Honduras207 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-17 22:08:21
October 17 2004 22:06 GMT
#33
On October 18 2004 06:59 SW)Surv wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 18 2004 06:44 PrinCe (H) wrote:
I guess that is the difference between you and me. You try to join the best teams possible, you try to play best players possible and get as high as possible on wgtour.

I wasn't trying to brag about people I play, I was just pointing the way good protoss thinks.

You may think im average but thats only because you HATE being outplayed by a hacker who calls your mom a whore.

I don't want to prove myselfes (especially not for you rofl) as a good player, the people I play with know my level of play and is as far as Im concerned thats enough.

Though this is getting offtopic.

2 gate is safe and can bring a zerg user in trouble (9/10 + probes) but imo 1 gate gives you more gas and a better eco.
you lack stability. What are you trying to accomplish by trash talking like this anyway. Im not going to get mad at you because you are incapable of producing decent behavior. It always gets off topic with you man ... You provoce and wait. Then you trash talk and provoce some more. Why are you posting about me anyway? I think its normal to get in good clans no? I dont understand why you are posting this kinda stuff. I am not going to feel offended or be ashamed or whatever. You are right about me trying to join good clans. I also succeeded in this. SW) is a good clan maybe when i get better i can join even better clans whats the bad thing about this? I know you would never talk like this if you would ever meet me on some lan or wcg or god knows what so im going to dodge this offer to a flame war. If you got something to say PM me dont fuck up peoples vieuw with your clueless pointless comments about the OH so inferior surv...


yeah...meet me..

it isnt about teams or clans it is about your WILL to be known. I lost my WILL to be known. But because my play is not known you assume im average.

Just to inform you, you are starting this shit, do not blame this on me.

edit. Nope, thats not a challenge.
Probe (H)
iD.Surv
Profile Joined April 2004
Belgium827 Posts
October 17 2004 22:08 GMT
#34
i didnt start anything and i want to game you pvz bo5 loser picks start with gameo gowon
PrinCe (H)
Profile Joined July 2004
Honduras207 Posts
October 17 2004 22:11 GMT
#35
How about you take your "bo5 loser picks Gameo(wtf??!! ) gowon" challenge to some belgian buddy's of you.

Probe (H)
PrinCe (H)
Profile Joined July 2004
Honduras207 Posts
October 17 2004 22:12 GMT
#36
Wait, I have a challenge for you.

bo5 or bo7. loser gets banned by rekrul for life.
Probe (H)
iD.Surv
Profile Joined April 2004
Belgium827 Posts
October 17 2004 22:15 GMT
#37
What are you on dude? I asked a question were the answer should be either

A.Yes, gladly when do you want
B.No

I think gameo gowon is balanced pvz so we start even. This is a simple challenge with good intentions you can't even reply positive on this?
PrinCe (H)
Profile Joined July 2004
Honduras207 Posts
Last Edited: 2004-10-18 04:22:26
October 17 2004 22:27 GMT
#38
its spelled Gaema Gowon.

are you afraid to lose ? If you are so confident to win why not raise bets ?

Im not your friend so I do not wish to play a friendly match. Im only gonna play if there is something in for me. Which is if you get banned and which isnt if its just a fungame because you are hardly practise

Banned For Life. Or no challenge.



(bye. tkwl)
Probe (H)
typhy
Profile Joined September 2004
129 Posts
October 17 2004 22:49 GMT
#39
haha newbs. 2 gate is always the best strat, even if u go core before zeals.. thats right core BEFORE zeals
ssregitoss
Profile Joined September 2004
Turkey241 Posts
October 18 2004 00:38 GMT
#40
best is +1 weopon and fast expo with psi templars.
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