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I watched a bunch of my own replays today and noticed a problem in the majority of them.
In the early game working out of 3 bases or less I always have my gas/minerals under 300 each and no problems with macro. I bind 5-9 to hatcheries and do hands-off production. I just 5sh, 6sh, 7sh or whatever so I can keep the screen on my army most of the time.
But once I get to 3 fully saturated bases or more my macro starts going to hell. I run out of hotkeys for hatcheries and start getting minerals so fast I can't spend them quick enough. It's not uncommon for me to have 3000/3000 or something stupid 15 minutes or so into the game It seems I normally start having this problem around 130-150ish supply. How do I force myself to improve this? And how can I deal effectively with more hatcheries than my hotkeys allow?
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Go ultras late game. If you go ultra/ling late game, there's no way you can have excess cash unless you have the ENTIRE and I mean ENTIRE map, in which case u won anyways.
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dont worry about having excess cash with zerg once you start reaching the mid-late game phase
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try this:
1)build 4 hatcheries right next to each other (so that they all fit on the same screen - or 8 hatcheries on two screens if u really have 3000) 2)hotkey the location of the screen (shift + f2) 3)press f2 4)press ctrl + click on a larva (12 larvae should be selected) 5)make 12 ultras!
return to step 3!
or just keep your eye on your minerals and force yourself to make more hatcheries! remember, money not spent is money wasted :O
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On June 26 2004 04:08 Zerg0 wrote: Go ultras late game. If you go ultra/ling late game, there's no way you can have excess cash unless you have the ENTIRE and I mean ENTIRE map, in which case u won anyways.
I agree...you can't tell me you will have excess money if you select all your hatches and press "u"
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spoken like a true war3 player
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Braavos36362 Posts
he's right though, ultralisk eats the cash like fat girl eats the ice cream
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Yeah, and Ultras own vs any race. More so against Terrans but still amazing vs Protoss. I usually like to soften it up by using a little Plague harass with a defiler, then after you plague twice or three times, you can send in the armies.
When your macro gets good enough, drop lings and dark swarm on an expo and when he comes to save it, attack another place with ultra/ling. Its very effective.
Late game zerg is real EZ to use cash, maybe mid game is what your having problems with, but mid game you should be losing units left and right to a good terran as your being constantly pushed back and engaging in lurker/ling/hydra micro battles vs vessel/tank/mm. Get another hatchery once you hit 600 mins.
PS: Mid game you can also go mass mutas, which with micro, can out maneuver psi storm and help you gain map control by containment/harassment.
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Chojja is cowboy Zerg. :O He herds around masses of cracklings and ultras against Terrans and Protoss alike and they kick ass. O_O
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once you have 3 eggs making units at all your hatcheries, and you still have more then 300 left over, make another hatch.
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It might help to macro with those easy styles like making excess hatcheries. But I notice most players just put them up to keep money down and don't actually use them. Most of the skill in Z to me is optimization of your larvae. If you manage to continue putting up new hatcheries at expansions while making nonstop units out of as many of your hatches as you can you should be able to keep macro. Also a thing to remember is at about 120-150 supply it's easy to run out of overlords, because you might only make 1 or 2 and then quickly fill up the new amount of supply. So just make a ton of them to expand your supply to 200 once you feel you have the money to harness that.
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I used to have this problem until I finally realized the REAL power of zerg to multiply and replenish their armies. Any decent player knows this subconciously, Zerg can expend units like crazy, so what I do now whenever I have mass money is just get more hatches and LINGS LINGS LINGS LINGS LINGS. Lings/Hatch is ultimate Mvp of using your money. If you have adequate hatches mid-game 4-8 [ Assuming at least one is lair/hatch ] and you have nothing else to get, just keep churning out lings. As for the gas, I use it on upgrades. Of course if your lings are getting pwned severely by archons/tanks/Irradiate, you need other units, but this doesn't sound like your problem.
Also, about a few years ago, alot of my friends didn't know that Lairs and Hives produce larvae faster than hatcheries. I know it's basic but alot of people don't realize it. If you need more larvae to macro, getting 2 lairs and an extra hatch is better than getting 3 extra hatches, I say.
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what... hives produce larvae faster? WHY DIDNT I EVER KNOW THIS?
oh well, id rather save my gas for units anyway
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Wow, you're a newbie SoMuchBetter.
n00b kekeke^^ u chobo
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stop spamming (+1)
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Netherlands13552 Posts
They don't. Wtf.
Anyway, your problem is that you don't tech fast enough :o
While you're having a lot of bases expands and shit and you're producing units, it's obvious you should also spend money on upgrades and teching. Just get hive, ultra den, blah no more trouble wasting money.
And if you get excess money expand like a maniac too :O
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On June 27 2004 01:50 Abyss_Bahamut wrote:
Also, about a few years ago, alot of my friends didn't know that Lairs and Hives produce larvae faster than hatcheries. I know it's basic but alot of people don't realize it. If you need more larvae to macro, getting 2 lairs and an extra hatch is better than getting 3 extra hatches, I say.
LOL wtf are you smoking :D
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I remember Hives producing larvae faster, but that might have been changed in a patch (possibly one of the undocumented changes like the apparent change to mine activation radius). I'm 90% sure they did at one point though. In any case it wouldn't be worth the gas in most cases, compared to building more hatches.
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Yea, I have this exact same problem, except it seems like whenever I finally shape-up and go ultras, my gas disappears, and I am having to make incredibly cheap lings instead of the ultras I wanted to. Be sure to anticipate the amount of gas your ultras will need.
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lairs and hatches produce larva faster??????????????????
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