SKT1's coaching staff: "We won because of everyone's hard effort." "It is because of our hardworking players that SKT1 exists today as it is."
- Your thoughts on winning the Grand Finals after 3 years? ▲ Coach Park Yong Oon: After we sealed our victory, many thoughts came into my mind. We were able to win because of the sacrifices of many players who were with us for a long time, but aren't here today. It's quite saddening that they aren't here with us together today. If we did not have those players, SK Telecom T1 probably would have never existed. Our current players are great, but the players who have been with us for a long time but aren't with us now are also very important. The reason why there was no other option but our victory was because of our 'Do-Taek-Myung' line, as well as many other great players such as Canata, Hyuk and TheZerg who have been playing well lately exist in our team I believe that the reason why these players were able to perform so well was because of the hard work the coaches put in to guide them through, and for that, I want to say thank you from deep down my heart. Our team was always second in terms of depth of strategies, and recently we've upped that to first-class and that was only because of coach Mumyung and Boxer who have joined us recently, in the absence of coach Kingdom. I want to say thanks to these two people who have always consistently put in a lot of effort. Lastly, I want to thank leader Kim Seung Chul, team leader Oh Gyung Shik, deputy director An Ji Hwan and manager Bae Jun Hyuk who have put in all the faith and trust in us, as well as manager Mun Gyung Nam, Mr Lee Gyung Nam and many others who have worked hard behind-the-scenes. ▲ Coach Choi Byung Hun: I am just simply happy that we won. I am thankful to the players and coaches who've worked so hard. Both players who played and were on the bench worked hard, but online practice partners helped out a great deal as well, which led to the results today. We will continue to work hard and raise the winning trophy once again in the next season. ▲ Coach MuMyung: The 5 times we've won, I've been a player up til the fourth time, so this is my first time as a coach, and it feels very different. It wasn't just the manager, but the coaching staff and the players worked hard together as well, which is why this victory tastes more sweet. We will work hard to do better in the next season, and create a stronger SKT1 zerg lineup. ▲ Coach oov: The Grand Finals feels like a dream. Being a year-long season, it felt very long and tiring, but I am happy that we won. When I first became a coach, my target was to guide a Terran player to an individual win, as well as winning the Proleague. Although it is rather sad that Fantasy took the runner-up twice, with today's win I am halfway towards my goal, and in order to reach my goal, I will work hard and guide Fantasy, who's already in the Round of 4 of the current OSL. I lived with the team, learning a lot as I was still a new coach. It is because of my good manager and players that I stand here today. I have won many times in the past, but today was the first time I cried after a win. I realised that this was happiness for the first time today. I think that there are many upset people regarding my bold interviews, but I felt that this was my last chance to win before I enter the army, so I worked really hard. I am sorry if anyone was offended by my remarks, and I hope they understand that I never had any bad intentions.
- We are curious as to who was the super ace player. Also, have you already planned for the next season? ▲ Coach Park Yong Oon: We won today so I shall say it. It was Bisu. After becoming a coach, I set a roadmap and with today's win, I have crossed 30% of it. I think that everything is nicely going according to plan, and in the next season, I will work together with coach Choi Byung Hoon, coach MuMyung and coach iloveoov a lot. We seemed to have lost our focus along the way, so we worked hard to get back on track this season, and we intend to work towards making the currently well-performing players to perform even better in the next season. We will return as an even more powerful SKT1.
- The team started performing well once again with the return of Boxer. ▲ Coach Park Yong Oon: Boxer is old, experienced and wise. Normally when players get to that stage, they tend to become unfaithful and weaker in many aspects. But Boxer was different. He had none of those, and he guided the players well, sharing his know-hows and helping out the younger players a lot. Young players perform differently depending on who their role models are, and I think Boxer is the greatest role model for any players. ▲ Coach iloveoov: Like how there will be hardships in one's life, our team suffered hardship too. If one stays at the top position for a long time, they lose their manners, and if they work on that, they will once again be able to rise to the top. Strangely enough, when our team performed bad, it seemed Boxer did bad too in his stay in ACE. Like how he mentored me a lot when I was a players, the current players are also heavily influenced by him. However, I don't think that we are in our current state because of Boxer alone, and that it is because of everyone's hard work.
- It was quite sure that the ace player for the other team would be Jaedong. Did this help out in choosing your entries? ▲ Coach Park Yong Oon: Yes it's true. But even if it wasn't Jaedong, we were sure that we would win. It is because we worked hard to prepare for such a scenario as we progressed through the entire season.
- With your entry into the team, how much do you think the team's zerg line up has improved? ▲ Coach MuMyung: With rock-bottom performance in Round 2, starting from Round 3, we underwent hellish training. As a result, compared to Round 1, 2 and 3's result of 7 wins 24 losses, we went 12 wins 10 losses, going 2-1 in the post-season. I always tell my players as a coach that hard work never betrays the results, and I think this is true. Getting the winning rates from 50% to 80% is hard, but 20% to 50% is just as hard. I believe this is possible for all players, whether they are players who are with us here today or not. SKT1 won the Grand Finals, so I believe I have achieved 100% of my goal.
SKT1 players: "It's a victory of strategies." "I am even more happy because everyone worked together achieve victory."
- Your thoughts on winning the Grand Finals after 3 years? ▲ Fantasy: This is the first Proleague season win since my entry into the team, and hence I was able to taste the sweetness of victory for the first time today. I am even happier because I won in front of my family and friends in my hometown Pusan. I believe that we were able to win because everyone worked hard together, and I will never forget this day. ▲ Boxer: T1 won 5 Proleagues and I have always played in the Grand Finals except this time. But I am happiest with today's win the most, because it was the hardest to win. I feel happier because we won on the verge of taking it to the super ace match. I went through a lot as I played in the lowest ranked ACE team, but we won right after my return, so I am very thankful towards my teammates. ▲ Hyuk: I did not expect myself to win, so I feel really happy. I performed so badly throughout the entire season so I felt really sorry towards my teammates and coaching staff. Hence, I prepared even harder, and as a result, I was able to win today. I will continue to work hard and keep up this momentum. ▲ Bisu: In the playoffs last year, we suffered 2 losses and were not able to get into the Grand Finals. We have finally gotten into the Grand Finals, and because I believed that my performance would be crucial in the 08-09 season, I worked even harder than usual. I cut sleep and worked hard, hence the good results. We won today, so we will work hard to perform just as well in the next season. ▲ Doctor.K: When SKT1 won the over triple-crown, I was just a practice partner. I only watched them play from the beach, but today here I stand on stage, so I am very happy. A captain is voted by the teammates, but I lack in so many areas as a captain so I am very sorry towards my teammates. I am very happy right now, and I want to share this happiness with my other teammates. I love all my teammates. ▲ Mong: This is the first Grand Finals I've been to since my entry into the team and we won, so I am very happy. I hope we can win the next season as well. ▲ TheZerg: I transferred to SKT1 before the start of Round 2, but I still don't think I have become a core player of SKT1, so I feel disappointed withmyself. I practiced hard for today but I lost. But because our team won, that feeling is now gone. I am work hard to perform even better in the next season. ▲ n.Die_sOo: It hasn't been long since my debut but I have already stood on the stage of the Proleague Grand Finals so it's an honor, and I will work hard to be a key player to the team's victory in the next season. ▲ Canata: I managed to play in both the 2006 and 2009 Grand Finals. I am happy with just the fact that I can play as a member of SKT1, and I am happy that I am able to perform my best with the best players, under the best company. I will work hard to contribute to our team's win in the next season and fly the SKT1 flag once more. ▲ s2: It has been 2 years since my entry into the team, and this is my first Grand Finals I've been into. I was not a key member this season, but I will definitely contribute to wins in the next season by being a key member. ▲ BeSt: I am disappointed that I lost today, and I feel that I've been downgraded from an ace player to a back-up member, so I will work hard in the next season to become the ace player again. I will also work hard to make SKT1 the strongest team.
- The strategy used in the ace match was amazing. ▲ Fantasy: I was only aware yesterday that they decided on me to play in the ace match today. It wasn't guaranteed that I will play today, and I had a brilliant strategy prepared so I was confident. It was a strategy that would have worked regardless of who used it, so I am thankful to coach iloveoov and Boxer for giving me the chance. Somehow I felt that if they saw me talking to Boxer, Hwaseung would notice that I had prepared a special build so I went to talk to coach iloveoov instead to trick them. I think that worked out well. ▲ Boxer: (Fantasy) said that anyone can win with that strategy, but among the SKT1 terran players, anyone can win with this except me. I won many games with good strategies so I don't think I could have done it (laughs). I saw Hwaseung players looking at us. I felt that if I were to be seen to be talking with Fantasy a lot, they would figure out that we were going to go for a strategic play, so we decided to trick them by making coach iloveoov talk to Fantasy instead and make it seem as though he was going for a macro game. As for me and coach Mumyung, we pretended to hold a conversation when we were actually giving Fantasy advice.
- How did you think of this strategy? ▲ Boxer: The first time I thought up of this strategy was when we were playing simulated games after Hwaseung defeated CJ and sealed their place in the Grand Finals. I defeated Hyuk with this strategy and felt that it was such a good strategy. Even til then, Coach Park did not really support the strategy, but when I showed it for him to see personally, he was impressed. Hence, I told Fantasy about the build. I felt slightly uneasy after seeing Jaedong going fast spawning pool today, but after seeing that he was teching, I knew we had won.
Congrats to SKT, they're the best team. Too bad it was medusa so they sent fantasy and not bisu, he would be a more deserving player to win the most important game.
- With your entry into the team, how much do you think the team's zerg line up has improved? ▲ Coach MuMyung: With rock-bottom performance in Round 2, starting from Round 3, we underwent hellish training. As a result, compared to Round 1, 2 and 3's result of 7 wins 24 losses, we went 12 wins 10 losses, going 2-1 in the post-season. I always tell my players as a coach that hard work never betrays the results, and I think this is true.
Yeah, tell that to Jaedong who went 0-3.
JD is still by far the best player in the world, day 1 i don't want to blame it on anything, what i blame in day 2 was when the TV guy told him before the games that he has "dark swarm" all over his eyes that is unsuitable for his age, and this is in front of a huge crowd and television, and this is while he didn't have anything wrong with his eyes this day. Poor kid was so embarrassed and mentally shook off he wasn't able to talk properly after that choking on every word, started explaining that he's just angry, that was painful to watch. He's just a kid and embarrassment like that got in his head. 12 hatch and fantasy cheese were BS, how can you do that on outsider vs hyuk.
On August 09 2009 02:40 Magic84 wrote: Congrats to SKT, they're the best team. Too bad it was medusa so they sent fantasy and not bisu, he would be a more deserving player to win the most important game.
- With your entry into the team, how much do you think the team's zerg line up has improved? ▲ Coach MuMyung: With rock-bottom performance in Round 2, starting from Round 3, we underwent hellish training. As a result, compared to Round 1, 2 and 3's result of 7 wins 24 losses, we went 12 wins 10 losses, going 2-1 in the post-season. I always tell my players as a coach that hard work never betrays the results, and I think this is true.
Yeah, tell that to Jaedong who went 0-3.
JD is still by far the best player the world, day 1 i don't want to blame it on anything, what i blame in day 2 was when the TV guy told him before the games that he has "dark swarm" all over his eyes that is unsuitable for his age, and this is in front of a huge crowd and television, and this is while he didn't have anything wrong with his eyes this day. Poor kid was so embarrassed and mentally shook off he wasn't able to talk properly after that choking on every word, started explaining that he's just angry, that was painful to watch. He's just a kid and embarrassment like that got in his head. 12 hatch and fantasy cheese were BS, how can you do that on outsider vs hyuk.
"JD is still by far the best player the world," i read that and stopped reading.
If JD recovers from this blow it'll be a true testament to his strength as a player. He has always been the player at the top dragging Oz to success, today Oz did their bit, putting him in a position to go 2-0 in ace and superace and take the series. He failed.
On August 09 2009 02:40 Magic84 wrote: Congrats to SKT, they're the best team. Too bad it was medusa so they sent fantasy and not bisu, he would be a more deserving player to win the most important game.
- With your entry into the team, how much do you think the team's zerg line up has improved? ▲ Coach MuMyung: With rock-bottom performance in Round 2, starting from Round 3, we underwent hellish training. As a result, compared to Round 1, 2 and 3's result of 7 wins 24 losses, we went 12 wins 10 losses, going 2-1 in the post-season. I always tell my players as a coach that hard work never betrays the results, and I think this is true.
Yeah, tell that to Jaedong who went 0-3.
JD is still by far the best player in the world, day 1 i don't want to blame it on anything, what i blame in day 2 was when the TV guy told him before the games that he has "dark swarm" all over his eyes that is unsuitable for his age, and this is in front of a huge crowd and television, and this is while he didn't have anything wrong with his eyes this day. Poor kid was so embarrassed and mentally shook off he wasn't able to talk properly after that choking on every word, started explaining that he's just angry, that was painful to watch. He's just a kid and embarrassment like that got in his head. 12 hatch and fantasy cheese were BS, how can you do that on outsider vs hyuk.
wtf ? You're blaming it on the MC now? You see, if JD were really affected by those words (which I highly doubt), it would then be his immaturity that cost him the game.
But what the hell were you trying to pull? Lee Jaedong is young, but he's a professional gamer. He's been through so many games, and leagues to be "mentally shook off" by just a few interview lines. He fought bravely today, and he lost. He lost because he just wasn't good enough, that he still needed to improve more. He took it like a man, he did not give out any excuses even though he could (tight schedule, shitty teammates to practice with, and yea the MC's words that distracted him ...). So don't you fucking dare to take that away from him, that pride he had when he stepped up there, facing a mighty opponent with tons of pressure on his shoulders.
On August 09 2009 02:40 Magic84 wrote: Congrats to SKT, they're the best team. Too bad it was medusa so they sent fantasy and not bisu, he would be a more deserving player to win the most important game.
- With your entry into the team, how much do you think the team's zerg line up has improved? ▲ Coach MuMyung: With rock-bottom performance in Round 2, starting from Round 3, we underwent hellish training. As a result, compared to Round 1, 2 and 3's result of 7 wins 24 losses, we went 12 wins 10 losses, going 2-1 in the post-season. I always tell my players as a coach that hard work never betrays the results, and I think this is true.
Yeah, tell that to Jaedong who went 0-3.
JD is still by far the best player in the world, day 1 i don't want to blame it on anything, what i blame in day 2 was when the TV guy told him before the games that he has "dark swarm" all over his eyes that is unsuitable for his age, and this is in front of a huge crowd and television, and this is while he didn't have anything wrong with his eyes this day. Poor kid was so embarrassed and mentally shook off he wasn't able to talk properly after that choking on every word, started explaining that he's just angry, that was painful to watch. He's just a kid and embarrassment like that got in his head. 12 hatch and fantasy cheese were BS, how can you do that on outsider vs hyuk.
wtf ? You're blaming it on the MC now? You see, if JD were really affected by those words (which I highly doubt), it would then be his immaturity that cost him the game.
But what the hell were you trying to pull? Lee Jaedong is young, but he's a professional gamer. He's been through so many games, and leagues to be "mentally shook off" by just a few interview lines. He fought bravely today, and he lost. He lost because he just wasn't good enough, that he still needed to improve more. He took it like a man, he did not give out any excuses even though he could (tight schedule, shitty teammates to practice with, and yea the MC's words that distracted him ...). So don't you fucking dare to take that away from him, that pride he had when he stepped up there, facing a mighty opponent with tons of pressure on his shoulders.
Different people, different opinions, i stand by mine, watching the stream i never saw JD so shocked that he was unable to talk other than after winning a starleague, but that's another deal. Seeing his body language and face after that i have not a trace of doubt in my mind that these words shook him off and were the reason of crappy performance.
I'm so disappointed. Until the very end i was sure Hwaseung will manage to win somehow.
If SKT ever get a good zerg, they will be near impossible to beat.
Different people, different opinions, i stand by mine, watching the stream i never saw JD so shocked that he was unable to talk other than after winning a starleague, but that's another deal. Seeing his body language and face after that i have not a trace of doubt in my mind that these words shook him off and were the reason of crappy performance.
I'm so disappointed. Until the very end i was sure Hwaseung will manage to win somehow.
If SKT ever get a good zerg, they will be near impossible to beat.
Agreed, their weak zerg line is the only thing that keeps them from dominating everyone.
On August 09 2009 02:40 Magic84 wrote: Congrats to SKT, they're the best team. Too bad it was medusa so they sent fantasy and not bisu, he would be a more deserving player to win the most important game.
- With your entry into the team, how much do you think the team's zerg line up has improved? ▲ Coach MuMyung: With rock-bottom performance in Round 2, starting from Round 3, we underwent hellish training. As a result, compared to Round 1, 2 and 3's result of 7 wins 24 losses, we went 12 wins 10 losses, going 2-1 in the post-season. I always tell my players as a coach that hard work never betrays the results, and I think this is true.
Yeah, tell that to Jaedong who went 0-3.
JD is still by far the best player in the world, day 1 i don't want to blame it on anything, what i blame in day 2 was when the TV guy told him before the games that he has "dark swarm" all over his eyes that is unsuitable for his age, and this is in front of a huge crowd and television, and this is while he didn't have anything wrong with his eyes this day. Poor kid was so embarrassed and mentally shook off he wasn't able to talk properly after that choking on every word, started explaining that he's just angry, that was painful to watch. He's just a kid and embarrassment like that got in his head. 12 hatch and fantasy cheese were BS, how can you do that on outsider vs hyuk.
wtf ? You're blaming it on the MC now? You see, if JD were really affected by those words (which I highly doubt), it would then be his immaturity that cost him the game.
But what the hell were you trying to pull? Lee Jaedong is young, but he's a professional gamer. He's been through so many games, and leagues to be "mentally shook off" by just a few interview lines. He fought bravely today, and he lost. He lost because he just wasn't good enough, that he still needed to improve more. He took it like a man, he did not give out any excuses even though he could (tight schedule, shitty teammates to practice with, and yea the MC's words that distracted him ...). So don't you fucking dare to take that away from him, that pride he had when he stepped up there, facing a mighty opponent with tons of pressure on his shoulders.
Different people, different opinions, i stand by mine, watching the stream i never saw JD so shocked that he was unable to talk other than after winning a starleague, but that's another deal. Seeing his body language and face after that i have not a trace of doubt in my mind that these words shook him off and were the reason of crappy performance.
I'm so disappointed. Until the very end i was sure Hwaseung will manage to win somehow.
If SKT ever get a good zerg, they will be near impossible to beat.
They are already near impossible to beat dule. You are talking about the absolute best team right now.
I love oov and Boxer. I rooted for OZ and the 3 "underdog" delivered a win but JD failed big time. Losing against Fantasy because of overconfidence, BO loss against Hyuk and simply outplayed against Fantasy again. Great job SKT!
I really questioned the coaches choice to send fantasy instead of Bisu but it totally makes sense right now. Fantasy played much more comfortable, and when executing strategic play being calm and focused is everything. Bisu's position was interesting as well, knowing that if it comes to it, he will be the guy to win or lose it all. It turned out really good that Bisu was meant to be T1's last stand, but on the other hand it was fantasy, who was in the spotlight. That MBC coach is a genius
On August 09 2009 03:18 disciple wrote: I really questioned the coaches choice to send fantasy instead of Bisu but it totally makes sense right now. Fantasy played much more comfortable, and when executing strategic play being calm and focused is everything. Bisu's position was interesting as well, knowing that if it comes to it, he will be the guy to win or lose it all. It turned out really good that Bisu was meant to be T1's last stand, but on the other hand it was fantasy, who was in the spotlight. That MBC coach is a genius
Indeed. I guess the coach also knew that Bisu had a better chance against JD. But I think fantasy is too pumped to face JD everyday because of the Batoo. lol Hoping for another epic bo5 between them.
I think that there are many upset people regarding my bold interviews, but I felt that this was my last chance to win before I enter the army, so I worked really hard. I am sorry if anyone was offended by my remarks, and I hope they understand that I never had any bad intentions.
goddamnit stop being so humble oov Why are you so cool?
Different people, different opinions, i stand by mine, watching the stream i never saw JD so shocked that he was unable to talk other than after winning a starleague, but that's another deal. Seeing his body language and face after that i have not a trace of doubt in my mind that these words shook him off and were the reason of crappy performance.
I'm so disappointed. Until the very end i was sure Hwaseung will manage to win somehow.
If SKT ever get a good zerg, they will be near impossible to beat.
Agreed, their weak zerg line is the only thing that keeps them from dominating everyone.
They are dominating everyone right now dude. what are you talking about? And since round 3 their zerg line up has >50% win. It's not strong but also defenitivel not weak.
"Somehow I felt that if they saw me talking to Boxer, Hwaseung would notice that I had prepared a special build so I went to talk to coach iloveoov instead to trick them. I think that worked out well."
Thats the greatest mindgame I've ever heard about. This is even greater than Casy's fake expansion vs Julyzerg.
On August 09 2009 04:58 G.s)NarutO wrote: "Somehow I felt that if they saw me talking to Boxer, Hwaseung would notice that I had prepared a special build so I went to talk to coach iloveoov instead to trick them. I think that worked out well."
Thats the greatest mindgame I've ever heard about. This is even greater than Casy's fake expansion vs Julyzerg.
It is but even without knowing the context, you could just watch the game; the fake wall-in totally had JD going there.
On August 09 2009 04:58 G.s)NarutO wrote: "Somehow I felt that if they saw me talking to Boxer, Hwaseung would notice that I had prepared a special build so I went to talk to coach iloveoov instead to trick them. I think that worked out well."
Thats the greatest mindgame I've ever heard about. This is even greater than Casy's fake expansion vs Julyzerg.
It is but even without knowing the context, you could just watch the game; the fake wall-in totally had JD going there.
I think you're missing the point of what a great mindfuck it was. Boxer is the King of mindgames, and something so simple yet so effective on the big stage is why he is the Emperor.
On August 09 2009 04:58 G.s)NarutO wrote: "Somehow I felt that if they saw me talking to Boxer, Hwaseung would notice that I had prepared a special build so I went to talk to coach iloveoov instead to trick them. I think that worked out well."
Thats the greatest mindgame I've ever heard about. This is even greater than Casy's fake expansion vs Julyzerg.
It is but even without knowing the context, you could just watch the game; the fake wall-in totally had JD going there.
I think you're missing the point of what a great mindfuck it was. Boxer is the King of mindgames, and something so simple yet so effective on the big stage is why he is the Emperor.
No I saw the point and agree that is indeed visible in the game itself. JD was getting ready to fight Fantasy as if he was playing Oov style. I was just stating even without watching the stage or reading the interview, Fantasy kept up the mindfuck.
On August 09 2009 02:06 konadora wrote: ▲ Hyuk: I did not expect myself to win, so I feel really happy. I performed so badly throughout the entire season so I felt really sorry towards my teammates and coaching staff. Hence, I prepared even harder, and as a result, I was able to win today. I will continue to work hard and keep up this momentum.
Mindgames. So despite his interview, Hyuk had a firm grasp of reality that his chances were low. I was impressed with his decision-making though. I feel Jaedong usually wins despite build order disadvantages because he makes good decisions when seeing what his opponent does - switching to mass lings, turtling, etc, but Hyuk didn't expose any weaknesses with his choices.
On August 09 2009 02:06 konadora wrote: ▲ Canata: I managed to play in both the 2006 and 2009 Grand Finals. I am happy with just the fact taht I can play as a member of SKT1, and I am happy that I am able to perform my best with the best players, under the best company. I will work hard to contribute to our team's win in the next season and fly the SKT1 flag once more.
I believe! Canata's flair has improved a lot, he just needs game sense!
On August 09 2009 02:06 konadora wrote: ▲ BeSt: I am disappointed that I lost today, and I feel that I've been downgraded from an ace player to a back-up member, so I will work hard in the next season to become the ace player again. I will also work hard to make SKT1 the strongest team.
I also believe! Perhaps if you didn't have just one favorite build that was so predictable?
On August 09 2009 02:06 konadora wrote: I saw Hwaseung players looking at us. I felt that if I were to be seen to be talking with Fantasy a lot, they would figure out that we were going to go for a strategic play, so we decided to trick them by making coach iloveoov talk to Fantasy instead and make it seem as though he was going for a macro game. As for me and coach Mumyung, we pretended to hold a conversation when we were actually giving Fantasy advice.
Lots of others have quoted this already - but mental dominance.
On August 09 2009 02:06 konadora wrote: - How did you think of this strategy? ▲ Boxer: The first time I thought up of this strategy was when we were playing simulated games after Hwaseung defeated CJ and sealed their place in the Grand Finals. I defeated Hyuk with this strategy and felt that it was such a good strategy. Even til then, Coach Park did not really support the strategy, but when I showed it for him to see personally, he was impressed. Hence, I told Fantasy about the build. I felt slightly uneasy after seeing Jaedong going fast spawning pool today, but after seeing that he was teching, I knew we had won.
Boxer the strategist! Perhaps Jaedong, thinking that Fantasy was going for a macro game, decided for fast mutas as a timing attack. Jaedong also had an unorthodox build in mind, but it would have come out slower than supply/rax/rax.
On August 09 2009 02:06 konadora wrote: ▲ Boxer: (Fantasy) said that anyone can win with that strategy, but among the SKT1 terran players, anyone can win with this except me. I won many games with good strategies so I don't think I could have done it (laughs).
Hmm, Boxer has been acknowledging that he can't play to the level of the current players. It's sort of sad? But I'm glad he's facing reality. He still looked really happy when his teammates won, so I guess he's adopting to his new role?
On August 09 2009 02:06 konadora wrote: ▲ Boxer: (Fantasy) said that anyone can win with that strategy, but among the SKT1 terran players, anyone can win with this except me. I won many games with good strategies so I don't think I could have done it (laughs).
Hmm, Boxer has been acknowledging that he can't play to the level of the current players. It's sort of sad? But I'm glad he's facing reality. He still looked really happy when his teammates won, so I guess he's adopting to his new role?
Thanks kona for the translation.
It is sad but at the same time I think Boxer knows his place among the stars. He'll probably make a return to play a bit in the next PL, or hell, even in the masters for fun - but he knows the Golden Mouse is out of the question so I think he is happier just being the old wise man of gaming.
Hmm, Boxer has been acknowledging that he can't play to the level of the current players. It's sort of sad? But I'm glad he's facing reality. He still looked really happy when his teammates won, so I guess he's adopting to his new role?
Thanks kona for the translation.
Stop reading too much into it, its more likely that hes saying because Hes boxer, aka the cheesemaster, its more difficult for him to win on the big stage with a strategy like that as one would be very suspicious and cautious of him, the 2 points supporting this is that earlier he just said he beat Hyuk with it and this quote "I won many games with good strategies so I don't think I could have done it (laughs)". Anyone can do it, its a matter of getting away with it. So no Boxer hasnt given up or tossed in the towel yet.
Also what the hell does Jaedong care who fantasy is talking to, he could be talking to boxer or oov its not a given jaedong would expect something from who he is talking to, more likely he wouldnt draw any conclusion from it, even more likely is that he would be talking to his own coaches prepping and preparing. Fantasy's build was sneaky, but I cant even say it approaches the level of Casy's trick on July. That was just pure ridiculous.
<3 Fantasy so much and thanks a bunch for the translation. Beat JD with oOv macro and boxer innovation. How do you lose with that kind of help on your side?
I however feel quite sorry for JD as he is second in line for my cheering (after T1) and I hope he takes umm.. actually I don't want him to take a starleague (cheer for the Terrans woot!). Hopefully his teammates can step up as they did today and truly make oz strong.
Hmm, Boxer has been acknowledging that he can't play to the level of the current players. It's sort of sad? But I'm glad he's facing reality. He still looked really happy when his teammates won, so I guess he's adopting to his new role?
Thanks kona for the translation.
Stop reading too much into it, its more likely that hes saying because Hes boxer, aka the cheesemaster, its more difficult for him to win on the big stage with a strategy like that as one would be very suspicious and cautious of him, the 2 points supporting this is that earlier he just said he beat Hyuk with it and this quote "I won many games with good strategies so I don't think I could have done it (laughs)". Anyone can do it, its a matter of getting away with it. So no Boxer hasnt given up or tossed in the towel yet.
Also what the hell does Jaedong care who fantasy is talking to, he could be talking to boxer or oov its not a given jaedong would expect something from who he is talking to, more likely he wouldnt draw any conclusion from it, even more likely is that he would be talking to his own coaches prepping and preparing. Fantasy's build was sneaky, but I cant even say it approaches the level of Casy's trick on July. That was just pure ridiculous.
Lul, you are so bitter in this comment.
First off, there's no reason to get into a hissy fit over Zona's comment. He simply misread it and drew reasonable conclusions off of that.
Second off, you never know. Fantasy/Boxer/Oov (forget which) even said that they saw the Oz players looking at them a lot.
Haha guys, JD will be ok. He is legitimately close to having two ZvZ finals (obviously Fantasy should now be considered the favorite, as I have been saying since before the PL finals even started, but it's still close to 50/50).
I'll be really surprised if JD doesn't win at least one league (he's the HEAVY favorite in MSL, even as I root for Iris), which will make him the winningest Zerg ever. He'll be alright.
I'm really impressed with SKT1 as a team, even as I now dislike them heavily, haha. Everything they do reeks of "champions" - they've simply got the flair.
On August 09 2009 02:40 Magic84 wrote: Congrats to SKT, they're the best team. Too bad it was medusa so they sent fantasy and not bisu, he would be a more deserving player to win the most important game.
- With your entry into the team, how much do you think the team's zerg line up has improved? ▲ Coach MuMyung: With rock-bottom performance in Round 2, starting from Round 3, we underwent hellish training. As a result, compared to Round 1, 2 and 3's result of 7 wins 24 losses, we went 12 wins 10 losses, going 2-1 in the post-season. I always tell my players as a coach that hard work never betrays the results, and I think this is true.
Yeah, tell that to Jaedong who went 0-3.
JD is still by far the best player in the world, day 1 i don't want to blame it on anything, what i blame in day 2 was when the TV guy told him before the games that he has "dark swarm" all over his eyes that is unsuitable for his age, and this is in front of a huge crowd and television, and this is while he didn't have anything wrong with his eyes this day. Poor kid was so embarrassed and mentally shook off he wasn't able to talk properly after that choking on every word, started explaining that he's just angry, that was painful to watch. He's just a kid and embarrassment like that got in his head. 12 hatch and fantasy cheese were BS, how can you do that on outsider vs hyuk.
Don't make excuses like some kind of n00b. JD is not someone who gets rattled easily. When he lost to Orion, he was already thinking about his next game against Effort. That's not the kind of mindset of someone who gets flustered over petty remarks.
JD lost because he was not the better gamer this weekend. Maybe he will be the better player in starleague, but he wasn't the better player these past two days. That's reality, face it.
On August 09 2009 02:15 Zalfor wrote: jaedong has lost his flair...
it is time for SKT to dominate again
Its pretty hard when an entire team with the highest amount of resources in professional broodwar is working together to essentially beat JUST YOU.
On top of that, SKT1 has two possible ace players, fantasy and bisu. Because of that jaedong has to practice twice as much when preparing for ace matches while SKT1 has to only prepare for zerg in the ace match.
But ya going 12 hatch was questionable..but there are some clear reasons. Jaedong usually goes for a more aggressive style in zvz. Knowing that his opponents know this he probably thought hyuk would choose a safe build but with a slight econ advanage such as 12 gas 11 pool so in response he figured 12 hatch would be the best way to ensure the victory. As we all know it didn't play out like that , but its not like it was a "dumb" play. Just unfortunate.
PS. I'm not a jaedong fan boy , I voted for SKT1
Lets wait until the other 2 semi finals he's in are over before saying he lost his flair...
i'm watching fantasy vs jd again right now and i see that even in the game room fantasy was still keeping up his mindgames by going 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a9a0a repeatedly
On August 09 2009 08:25 blue_arrow wrote: i'm watching fantasy vs jd again right now and i see that even in the game room fantasy was still keeping up his mindgames by going 1a2a3a4a5a6a7a8a9a0a repeatedly
I don't think that's a mindgame because lots of progamers do that in the game room. I mean you would have to 1a2a even if you did that cheese anyway
I hope for the day JD gets traded to SKT1, they would be just untouchable after that..they're dominating now but just add the BEST zerg in the world and you have an empire that will never fall.
On August 09 2009 09:19 ryuu_ wrote: I hope for the day JD gets traded to SKT1, they would be just untouchable after that..they're dominating now but just add the BEST zerg in the world and you have an empire that will never fall.
I think T1 doesn't need a zerg super star of Jaedongs caliber. They just need a guy to win games occasionally. Having another Ace will just not bring any balance to the team - at least now is pretty clear who is wearing the pants, all t1 players have their own significant role in the team's success. Good zerg, yes- Calm or hero will do just fine
I hope for the day JD gets traded to SKT1, they would be just untouchable after that..they're dominating now but just add the BEST zerg in the world and you have an empire that will never fall.
It doesnt nesscesarily to be SKT1, I think a team like Hite Sparky or CJ is a good option for Jaedong since they have a lot of players that are consistent.
But in Oz, its Jaedong and always Jaedong to bear the biggest responsibilities to win each match.
Reading those interviews made me happy, especially the part where Boxer wasn't talking to Fantasy incase Oz figured out it would be a strategic play haha, way to go SKT with the mind games. They prepared so much, cutting sleep as Bisu said, I'm so glad they won.
I'm also glad that if the time came that Bisu would be their final player, but in all seriousness Fantasy is such a great player and he deserved to win the final match. With such a strong line up, Oz was always fighting an up hill (and very steep at that) battle. Not to mention JD would have to practice against two different people. Watching that last match with Fantasy and JD gave me such a rush, thinking "omg is he going to pull this off!"
It was totally worth staying up for that. SKT CHAMPIONS!!!
this having a disadvantage because of lack of practice is ridiculous.
They play bw 10 hrs a day. Its not as if they dont know the maps or anything. Jaedong has played thousands of zvps and thousands of zvts and he knows the maps backwards and forwards. I dont really understand why people bring up this practice business 24/7 when talking about pro games. Like "oh he only has such and such to practice for" Unless the maps are new and or are drastically different BW is still BW.
I hope for the day JD gets traded to SKT1, they would be just untouchable after that..they're dominating now but just add the BEST zerg in the world and you have an empire that will never fall.
It doesnt nesscesarily to be SKT1, I think a team like Hite Sparky or CJ is a good option for Jaedong since they have a lot of players that are consistent.
But in Oz, its Jaedong and always Jaedong to bear the biggest responsibilities to win each match.
Personally, I don't even think that Jaedong needs to leave Oz. Yes he's bearing a disproportionate amount of the team's strength right now, but you have to remember that's only a very recent phenomenon. ForGG leaving is still relatively recent, and they still had the Anytime + Jaedong combo last season. IMO Hwaseung is in an interim phase right now. I'm sure Coach Jo knows that Jaedong needs to find a reliable second ace, they just need to find someone suitable (which free agency will certainly facilitate).
On August 09 2009 02:06 konadora wrote: ▲ BeSt: I am disappointed that I lost today, and I feel that I've been downgraded from an ace player to a back-up member, so I will work hard in the next season to become the ace player again. I will also work hard to make SKT1 the strongest team.
This makes me so sad :[ I hope Do Jae Wook is going to deliver next round.
I really hope some other team picks up JD with the free agent deal. Oz does not deserve someone as talented and hard working as him. He has carried the team by himself for far too long. It's time for a change. Jaedong to KT FINGER BOOM PLEASE!
I saw Hwaseung players looking at us. I felt that if I were to be seen to be talking with Fantasy a lot, they would figure out that we were going to go for a strategic play, so we decided to trick them by making coach iloveoov talk to Fantasy instead and make it seem as though he was going for a macro game. As for me and coach Mumyung, we pretended to hold a conversation when we were actually giving Fantasy advice.
Fantasy tied for #1 elo. First time gaining that spot right?
On March 25 2008 00:12 Waxangel wrote: -You say you want to make a Terran winner within 18 months, which players are showing potential? I told all the terrans on the team that I want to train a winner, and make terran an important part of the team again. If there are no prospects, then I’ll have to find some new ones. Right now, Fantasy has the most potential. His strength is that he absorbs things very quickly, but his weakness is that he is too introverted. But we can change that.
Right before the 18 months were up. Proleague champion counts right?
On August 09 2009 11:55 StarBrift wrote: I really hope some other team picks up JD with the free agent deal. Oz does not deserve someone as talented and hard working as him. He has carried the team by himself for far too long. It's time for a change. Jaedong to KT FINGER BOOM PLEASE!
Jesus no. It's like every player that has ever gone to finger boom starts sucking like crazy.
On August 09 2009 11:55 StarBrift wrote: I really hope some other team picks up JD with the free agent deal. Oz does not deserve someone as talented and hard working as him. He has carried the team by himself for far too long. It's time for a change. Jaedong to KT FINGER BOOM PLEASE!
Jesus no. It's like every player that has ever gone to finger boom starts sucking like crazy.
to be fair Luxury did win MSL in KT
And why would Jaedong being in KT Fingerboom help him?! Thats like sending a 1940 Jewish Family in England to Warsaw just because "They won't get hit by Bombs anymore"
Hmm, Boxer has been acknowledging that he can't play to the level of the current players. It's sort of sad? But I'm glad he's facing reality. He still looked really happy when his teammates won, so I guess he's adopting to his new role?
Thanks kona for the translation.
Stop reading too much into it, its more likely that hes saying because Hes boxer, aka the cheesemaster, its more difficult for him to win on the big stage with a strategy like that as one would be very suspicious and cautious of him, the 2 points supporting this is that earlier he just said he beat Hyuk with it and this quote "I won many games with good strategies so I don't think I could have done it (laughs)". Anyone can do it, its a matter of getting away with it. So no Boxer hasnt given up or tossed in the towel yet.
Also what the hell does Jaedong care who fantasy is talking to, he could be talking to boxer or oov its not a given jaedong would expect something from who he is talking to, more likely he wouldnt draw any conclusion from it, even more likely is that he would be talking to his own coaches prepping and preparing. Fantasy's build was sneaky, but I cant even say it approaches the level of Casy's trick on July. That was just pure ridiculous.
Lul, you are so bitter in this comment.
First off, there's no reason to get into a hissy fit over Zona's comment. He simply misread it and drew reasonable conclusions off of that.
Second off, you never know. Fantasy/Boxer/Oov (forget which) even said that they saw the Oz players looking at them a lot.
Who is bitter? I dont like OZ or JD really. I wasnt in a hissy fit, I was just bluntly correcting the situation, as well as stating my opinion that Casy's play was way more ballsy and on a whole different level.
On August 09 2009 14:12 Avidkeystamper wrote: Because then Jaedong will be able to practice with better people, because it's not like Jaedong can practice with peopl from other tea- Oh wait...
I know Fantasy said he practiced a lot within the by clan. I'm not sure I know anyone else in the ndie clan nor have they stated their relationship to eachother. The by clan is made up of a couple of great (lol pun, by.great) people to practice with.
I never bought into this whole practice partners thing. It's more about how much stress your teammates can take off you. If JD slumps (unlikely), it won't be because of bad practice partners, but because of burnout. Also, who wouldn't want to practice with him? I mean he gets a lot of help for critical matches, like the last OSL finals.
Since there is a question of 'practicing with other teams' I will say what Sea[Shield] has told me directly about practicing with other teams. I hope this gets quoted or stapled into everyone's head once in the future
MrHoon: Hey Sea, I was wondering how often progamers PRACTICE with other teams? Because in alot of interviews S-Class players always thank players like Jaehoon and etc. If you guys do practice often, how long/how many matches do you practice with them?
Sea[Shield]: A common misconception is that when we say we got help from other teams is that people believe we do this for like 10 hours. This is wrong. When we say in interviews "Thank you progamer X for practicing with me" we say that because we really don't have anything else to say and it makes the other player happy; common courtesy I guess. When another teammate even practices 1 game with us we are very happy and thankful, but most of our games are inhouse. We may play around with other gamers but practicing with opposite teams do not happen much as... A) There are many many teammates to practice with so chances are you will always have a practice partner B) If there is no-one to practice with, we will practice with online practice partners people first rather than other teams. It isn't good in the future if you practice with other teams if you catch my drift. C) Training schedules are different for everyteam. Also during practice sessions we are usually not allowed to even get on Battle.Net or 3rd party servers.
Stork Hyung and I are very very close, but even then we really can't play together that often unless it's vacation or a holiday or like my team you didn't advance to Playoffs (laugh).
Awesome job Kona! Aw oov apologizing. I personally like his bold statements.. makes things so much more interesting :3
I honestly didn't particularly like/dislike T1 that much before, but watching them through these finals and reading their interviews goes to show how hard they worked and prepared; T1 just really deserved this. <3
can't believe so many of these comments, like there's some ridiculous barrier that you're either in love with jaedong or you think it's hilarious what's occurred and you've gotta add some cruel barb to your opinion in order to incite his fans.
i think it's possible to feel joyful for boxer, oov and all of SKT1 while also feeling tremendously bad for Oz and especially jaedong who had undeniably worked with a superhuman tenacity to achieve what he has and perform well for his team. to see jaedong collapse after his team clearly worked very hard to hoist their champion into the fight, and after jaedong himself worked so hard should be painful and disheartening
disappointed and disgusted to see so few people capable of understanding this with respect for both teams and their players. can't see how you watch proleague this season and come away with such narrow comments
On August 09 2009 15:52 Failsafe wrote: can't believe so many of these comments, like there's some ridiculous barrier that you're either in love with jaedong or you think it's hilarious what's occurred and you've gotta add some cruel barb to your opinion in order to incite his fans.
i think it's possible to feel joyful for boxer, oov and all of SKT1 while also feeling tremendously bad for Oz and especially jaedong who had undeniably worked with a superhuman tenacity to achieve what he has and perform well for his team. to see jaedong collapse after his team clearly worked very hard to hoist their champion into the fight, and after jaedong himself worked so hard should be painful and disheartening
disappointed and disgusted to see so few people capable of understanding this with respect for both teams and their players. can't see how you watch proleague this season and come away with such narrow comments
Well, I guess that's revenge happiness kicking in. JD's a strong player, he's beaten a lot of people's favorite players and teams. Anyone who has lovers always has haters.
Goddamn! i nerdraged all day yesterday cause JD got fucking cheesed by fantasy, i have calmed down today and i realised it was a fucking excellent finals performance from all players. Sure JD lost 3 games but the first one vs fantasy was really porn for any starcraft fan with excellent play from both players. His game vs hyuk was extremely mindboggling. I have no idea what possessed him to make a risky 12 hatch when he's clearly the superior player. The last game vs fantasy made me feel so bad for him, he 12 pooled to be safe but got tricked by fantasy's wall and thus unable to defend himself. I don't think any zerg player in the world could have defended against that strategy the first time it was used so even though lame it was certainly brilliant.
On August 09 2009 14:12 Avidkeystamper wrote: Because then Jaedong will be able to practice with better people, because it's not like Jaedong can practice with peopl from other tea- Oh wait...
I know Fantasy said he practiced a lot within the by clan. I'm not sure I know anyone else in the ndie clan nor have they stated their relationship to eachother. The by clan is made up of a couple of great (lol pun, by.great) people to practice with.
You every heard of a guy named Flash? Before he was Flash, he was by.Flash. It's added hype to any Flash-Fantasy game, combined with the fact that they represent one of the greatest e-sports rivalries every, the KTF-SKT1 rivalry.
Thanks for the interview bit, MrHoon, where you asked Sea about practice partners. I wonder if they talk strat or they just play. That sounds very different from when practice partners are "called" by one side or the other (I think this was mentioned in a PvP interview...I think Best-Stork from the Incruit OSL?).
On August 09 2009 15:52 Failsafe wrote: can't believe so many of these comments, like there's some ridiculous barrier that you're either in love with jaedong or you think it's hilarious what's occurred and you've gotta add some cruel barb to your opinion in order to incite his fans.
i think it's possible to feel joyful for boxer, oov and all of SKT1 while also feeling tremendously bad for Oz and especially jaedong who had undeniably worked with a superhuman tenacity to achieve what he has and perform well for his team. to see jaedong collapse after his team clearly worked very hard to hoist their champion into the fight, and after jaedong himself worked so hard should be painful and disheartening
disappointed and disgusted to see so few people capable of understanding this with respect for both teams and their players. can't see how you watch proleague this season and come away with such narrow comments
Agreed!
As much as I like JD, I have to say that SKT is very powerful as of now. Their lineup is as dominant as JD's play. Hopefully, JD will not fall from his emotions. He looks devastated after the finals.
On August 09 2009 14:12 Avidkeystamper wrote: Because then Jaedong will be able to practice with better people, because it's not like Jaedong can practice with peopl from other tea- Oh wait...
I know Fantasy said he practiced a lot within the by clan. I'm not sure I know anyone else in the ndie clan nor have they stated their relationship to eachother. The by clan is made up of a couple of great (lol pun, by.great) people to practice with.
You every heard of a guy named Flash? Before he was Flash, he was by.Flash. It's added hype to any Flash-Fantasy game, combined with the fact that they represent one of the greatest e-sports rivalries every, the KTF-SKT1 rivalry.
Thanks for the interview bit, MrHoon, where you asked Sea about practice partners. I wonder if they talk strat or they just play. That sounds very different from when practice partners are "called" by one side or the other (I think this was mentioned in a PvP interview...I think Best-Stork from the Incruit OSL?).
I know that Flash is in the by clan. Thats the reason I even brought it up. Fantasy said Flash, him, and Kal are all very close which is the only reason that lead me to believe that clan mates actually hold a priority in a gamers life and maybe in silent practice.
On August 09 2009 16:13 nttea wrote: Goddamn! i nerdraged all day yesterday cause JD got fucking cheesed by fantasy, i have calmed down today and i realised it was a fucking excellent finals performance from all players. Sure JD lost 3 games but the first one vs fantasy was really porn for any starcraft fan with excellent play from both players. His game vs hyuk was extremely mindboggling. I have no idea what possessed him to make a risky 12 hatch when he's clearly the superior player. The last game vs fantasy made me feel so bad for him, he 12 pooled to be safe but got tricked by fantasy's wall and thus unable to defend himself. I don't think any zerg player in the world could have defended against that strategy the first time it was used so even though lame it was certainly brilliant.
Poor Fantasy could've used that strategy in the Semi-finals but nooo~... Now he has to make up something else =(
MrHoon: Hey Sea, I was wondering how often progamers PRACTICE with other teams? Because in alot of interviews S-Class players always thank players like Jaehoon and etc. If you guys do practice often, how long/how many matches do you practice with them?
Sea[Shield]: A common misconception is that when we say we got help from other teams is that people believe we do this for like 10 hours. This is wrong. When we say in interviews "Thank you progamer X for practicing with me" we say that because we really don't have anything else to say and it makes the other player happy; common courtesy I guess. When another teammate even practices 1 game with us we are very happy and thankful, but most of our games are inhouse. We may play around with other gamers but practicing with opposite teams do not happen much as... A) There are many many teammates to practice with so chances are you will always have a practice partner B) If there is no-one to practice with, we will practice with online practice partners people first rather than other teams. It isn't good in the future if you practice with other teams if you catch my drift. C) Training schedules are different for everyteam. Also during practice sessions we are usually not allowed to even get on Battle.Net or 3rd party servers.
Stork Hyung and I are very very close, but even then we really can't play together that often unless it's vacation or a holiday or like my team you didn't advance to Playoffs (laugh).
Thanks for the info! I also held this misconception all this time...
On August 09 2009 16:13 nttea wrote: Goddamn! i nerdraged all day yesterday cause JD got fucking cheesed by fantasy, i have calmed down today and i realised it was a fucking excellent finals performance from all players. Sure JD lost 3 games but the first one vs fantasy was really porn for any starcraft fan with excellent play from both players. His game vs hyuk was extremely mindboggling. I have no idea what possessed him to make a risky 12 hatch when he's clearly the superior player. The last game vs fantasy made me feel so bad for him, he 12 pooled to be safe but got tricked by fantasy's wall and thus unable to defend himself. I don't think any zerg player in the world could have defended against that strategy the first time it was used so even though lame it was certainly brilliant.
Poor Fantasy could've used that strategy in the Semi-finals but nooo~... Now he has to make up something else =(
would be so cool, and kinda unexcpeted if he did the same build
On August 09 2009 16:13 nttea wrote: Goddamn! i nerdraged all day yesterday cause JD got fucking cheesed by fantasy, i have calmed down today and i realised it was a fucking excellent finals performance from all players. Sure JD lost 3 games but the first one vs fantasy was really porn for any starcraft fan with excellent play from both players. His game vs hyuk was extremely mindboggling. I have no idea what possessed him to make a risky 12 hatch when he's clearly the superior player. The last game vs fantasy made me feel so bad for him, he 12 pooled to be safe but got tricked by fantasy's wall and thus unable to defend himself. I don't think any zerg player in the world could have defended against that strategy the first time it was used so even though lame it was certainly brilliant.
Poor Fantasy could've used that strategy in the Semi-finals but nooo~... Now he has to make up something else =(
OSL doesn't compare to proleague though.. especially this season, this was probably the biggest starcraft event there will ever be.
The whole "cutting sleep" thing is really ineffective. There's a limit to how much one's brain can digest in a day, and sleep is especially crucial to digesting what one has learned or practiced over the course of the day. Overworking, especially to the point of losing on sleep, has a serious negative effect on one's decision-making abilities. Plenty of studies over the years have demonstrated the negative effects of sleep-deprivation again and again.
I realize it's a part of Oriental culture to work until one drops dead, or in iloveoov's case ends up in the hospital, but a little pragmatism would help their cause a great deal.
Interestingly, in China when one practices Tai Chi (what "Kung Fu" is derived from) there is a sort of rule that practitioners apply to themselves. They say if you practice for 3 hours a day, it will take you 24 years (give or take a few) to learn how to control your "chi". If you practice for 6 hours it will take you 12 years.
But if you practice for 12 hours a day it will again take you 24 years. If you practice for 18 hours a day it will take you over 30 years.
The point is that even in the martial arts they recognize a limit to what the body and mind are capable of digesting in a single day. There are also similarities with many professional sports athletes.
Different people, different opinions, i stand by mine, watching the stream i never saw JD so shocked that he was unable to talk other than after winning a starleague, but that's another deal. Seeing his body language and face after that i have not a trace of doubt in my mind that these words shook him off and were the reason of crappy performance.
I'm so disappointed. Until the very end i was sure Hwaseung will manage to win somehow.
If SKT ever get a good zerg, they will be near impossible to beat.
Agreed, their weak zerg line is the only thing that keeps them from dominating everyone.
They are dominating everyone right now dude. what are you talking about? And since round 3 their zerg line up has >50% win. It's not strong but also defenitivel not weak.
I'd guess his point was that T1's Z lineup is weak by comparison to its other races'. And there are different definitions of domination. SKT just won the Proleague, and they were favorites going into the final, but the outcome was by no means a sure thing. He was just saying that if they had a Z as good as Fantasy and Bisu, it would be like the opposite of ACE's matches: no one who was looking for close games would watch, because virtually every series would just be rape.
Different people, different opinions, i stand by mine, watching the stream i never saw JD so shocked that he was unable to talk other than after winning a starleague, but that's another deal. Seeing his body language and face after that i have not a trace of doubt in my mind that these words shook him off and were the reason of crappy performance.
I'm so disappointed. Until the very end i was sure Hwaseung will manage to win somehow.
If SKT ever get a good zerg, they will be near impossible to beat.
Agreed, their weak zerg line is the only thing that keeps them from dominating everyone.
They are dominating everyone right now dude. what are you talking about? And since round 3 their zerg line up has >50% win. It's not strong but also defenitivel not weak.
I'd guess his point was that T1's Z lineup is weak by comparison to its other races'. And there are different definitions of domination. SKT just won the Proleague, and they were favorites going into the final, but the outcome was by no means a sure thing. He was just saying that if they had a Z as good as Fantasy and Bisu, it would be like the opposite of ACE's matches: no one who was looking for close games would watch, because virtually every series would just be rape.
Ok let say they have Calm instead of Hyuk. So how different would the result become?
On August 10 2009 04:51 latent wrote: The whole "cutting sleep" thing is really ineffective. There's a limit to how much one's brain can digest in a day, and sleep is especially crucial to digesting what one has learned or practiced over the course of the day. Overworking, especially to the point of losing on sleep, has a serious negative effect on one's decision-making abilities. Plenty of studies over the years have demonstrated the negative effects of sleep-deprivation again and again.
I realize it's a part of Oriental culture to work until one drops dead, or in iloveoov's case ends up in the hospital, but a little pragmatism would help their cause a great deal.
Interestingly, in China when one practices Tai Chi (what "Kung Fu" is derived from) there is a sort of rule that practitioners apply to themselves. They say if you practice for 3 hours a day, it will take you 24 years (give or take a few) to learn how to control your "chi". If you practice for 6 hours it will take you 12 years.
But if you practice for 12 hours a day it will again take you 24 years. If you practice for 18 hours a day it will take you over 30 years.
The point is that even in the martial arts they recognize a limit to what the body and mind are capable of digesting in a single day. There are also similarities with many professional sports athletes.
This is a somewhat shortsighted way to look at it. Cutting sleep routinely (or permanently) is definitely not a good thing, but doing it in specific situations is often worthwhile. Just like when you have a test that you're not feeling too prepared for, cutting 2 hours of sleep (not staying up the whole night though) is probably worth it, especially if you can make it up later. While optimally you'd always be prepared enough not to need to cut sleep in the end, that's not realistic (especially in progaming given the erratic nature of the scheduling).
On August 09 2009 15:52 Failsafe wrote: can't believe so many of these comments, like there's some ridiculous barrier that you're either in love with jaedong or you think it's hilarious what's occurred and you've gotta add some cruel barb to your opinion in order to incite his fans.
i think it's possible to feel joyful for boxer, oov and all of SKT1 while also feeling tremendously bad for Oz and especially jaedong who had undeniably worked with a superhuman tenacity to achieve what he has and perform well for his team. to see jaedong collapse after his team clearly worked very hard to hoist their champion into the fight, and after jaedong himself worked so hard should be painful and disheartening
disappointed and disgusted to see so few people capable of understanding this with respect for both teams and their players. can't see how you watch proleague this season and come away with such narrow comments
Effort lead CJ through hite and Samsung before even getting to the semi-finals with Hwaseung and had to play MSL and GOM at the same time. He played in all of CJ's Super Ace matches and most of their ace matches and he had to face an invincible Jaedong. As far as I know, he never does ceremonies and is a pretty modest guy. And he gets this:
On August 01 2009 13:48 vaMpYr wrote: OK NOW WHERE IS YOUR EFFORT OF SHIT PLZ ?
FUCK EFFORT DIE EFFORT BYE BYE FUCKING SHIT EFFORT !!
The whole "cutting sleep" thing is really ineffective. There's a limit to how much one's brain can digest in a day, and sleep is especially crucial to digesting what one has learned or practiced over the course of the day. Overworking, especially to the point of losing on sleep, has a serious negative effect on one's decision-making abilities. Plenty of studies over the years have demonstrated the negative effects of sleep-deprivation again and again.
I realize it's a part of Oriental culture to work until one drops dead, or in iloveoov's case ends up in the hospital, but a little pragmatism would help their cause a great deal.
Interestingly, in China when one practices Tai Chi (what "Kung Fu" is derived from) there is a sort of rule that practitioners apply to themselves. They say if you practice for 3 hours a day, it will take you 24 years (give or take a few) to learn how to control your "chi". If you practice for 6 hours it will take you 12 years.
But if you practice for 12 hours a day it will again take you 24 years. If you practice for 18 hours a day it will take you over 30 years.
The point is that even in the martial arts they recognize a limit to what the body and mind are capable of digesting in a single day. There are also similarities with many professional sports athletes.
I'm getting the impression you take yourself kinda seriously.
On August 10 2009 04:51 latent wrote: The whole "cutting sleep" thing is really ineffective. There's a limit to how much one's brain can digest in a day, and sleep is especially crucial to digesting what one has learned or practiced over the course of the day. Overworking, especially to the point of losing on sleep, has a serious negative effect on one's decision-making abilities. Plenty of studies over the years have demonstrated the negative effects of sleep-deprivation again and again.
I realize it's a part of Oriental culture to work until one drops dead, or in iloveoov's case ends up in the hospital, but a little pragmatism would help their cause a great deal.
Interestingly, in China when one practices Tai Chi (what "Kung Fu" is derived from) there is a sort of rule that practitioners apply to themselves. They say if you practice for 3 hours a day, it will take you 24 years (give or take a few) to learn how to control your "chi". If you practice for 6 hours it will take you 12 years.
But if you practice for 12 hours a day it will again take you 24 years. If you practice for 18 hours a day it will take you over 30 years.
The point is that even in the martial arts they recognize a limit to what the body and mind are capable of digesting in a single day. There are also similarities with many professional sports athletes.
Yes, everyone knows that sleep is vital to human health, you need 8 hours a day, etc.
But the rest of this post is, not trying to provoke a flame war here, utterly wrong.
Let's try to generalize Oriental culture based on South Korean Professional Starcraft gaming. There is no "Oriental culture". In case you haven't noticed or been there, Han Chinese, ethnic minorities throughout Asia, the Japanese, the South Koreans, the Taiwanese, the Vietnamese and whoever else I'm excluding, all have a history of either raiding or killing each other. A Japanese person in Tokyo is not going to have the same "Oriental culture" as a Mongolian nomad.
Then, you talk about TaiChi Chuan in China. You'd think that the part of "Oriental culture" that prompts working hard until death directly contradicts the TaiChi Chuan ideal of optimal practicing for Qi control.
The players that practice that much and work that hard do it because they have a passion for the game, not because it's injected in some made up supra-national cultural identity.
EPT
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