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Last Edited: 2009-07-19 21:22:14
July 14 2009 22:54 GMT
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Why STX SouL Will Win the Proleague FLUKE WINS ARE FLUKEY STX IS STILL THE BEST TEAM IN PROLEAGUE
by Ideas

Almost exactly 2 years ago forum veteran and legend thedeadhaji wrote this article about why he believed Lecaf Oz would win the Proleague finals. Although haji’s prediction ultimately proved wrong (Lecaf lost to Samsung in the finals), Lecaf went on to win the next Proleague in a dominating fashion. Today I’m going to re-enact thedeadhaji’s article with a new underdog team, and hopefully convince you all that STX SouL will win this season’s Proleague.

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The future Proleague champions


1. Hunger

Just like Lecaf Oz in July of 2007, STX SouL has never won a Proleague before. In fact, they haven’t been to a Proleague final since 2004. In fact, No one on STX SouL has ever even won a title before July earned his Golden Mouse in the EVER08 OSL shortly after joining STX. STX is hungry to win something, especially what may be the last Proleague to finish before StarCraft 2 inevitably comes out, and they’ve never had a better shot.

2. The Aces

STX is known for 1 thing above all else when talking about Proleague: no S-class players but a plethora of A-class ones. Currently two STX players stand a good level above the rest, and although still not quite S-class, Calm and Kal are definintely leaders in the scene. Calm finished in 5th place in the Proleague rankings, going 40-21 (65.6%), while Kal finished almost right below him in 7th place at 34-23 (59.6%). Together they made up the vast majority of STX’s ace picks, with Calm going 5-3 and Kal going 4-5. Calm and Kal are currently the #7 and #8 in ELO rankings as well.

2.1
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(Z)Calm


Calm has quietly but certainly become the best, most well-rounded player on STX over the last few months (specifically Round 5 of Proleague). Currently the highest rated ELO on his team, Calm has risen from mediocrity this season of Proleague (no doubt thanks in part to the arrival of July on the team). Currently sporting an over 60% winning rate since the beginning of round 1 back in October, Calm has quickly become the undisputed #3 Zerg in the world (only behind Jaedong and Effort in ELO ratings currently).

Calm has no “weak” matchup, although his ZvP and ZvT put on a much better performance than his ZvZ. His ZvP in particular has become quite fearsome like all his Zerg teammates, with none other than Bisu (and 1 game from Free back in October) being the ONLY Protoss to take games off of him since the start of this season of Proleague. Although originally known for being a cheesy player who cannot sustain himself in the late game, Calm has proven over the past few months that although having one of the best mid-game’s of any Zerg, he can definitely also hold his own in the late game.
2.2
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(P)Kal


Kal is my favorite Protoss player and one of my all-time favorite players to watch. Kal’s shuttle play, particularly in PvT, is some of the most entertaining micro in all of Professional StarCraft in my opinion. Kal doesn’t exactly do very extravagant or unique cheese or strategies, but he has some of the most unique improvised decisions and micro of any player. Above all else Kal is one of my favorite players to watch because when I watch him play he -above everyone else- actually looks (in his gameplay) like he is having fun playing the game.

Kal was the 1st STX player to ever reach the finals of any individual tournament when he reached the finals of the GOMTV MSL S4 where he lost 1-3 to none other than Jaedong. Since then he has reached 2 more semifinals but has never reached another final, mostly because of his notorious inconsistence. Kal will often boggle minds by losing games that seemingly no Progamer should lose (such as his infamous lose to Shine[kal] where he lost to 2-hatch hydra AFTER scouting it beforehand with ample time to prepare) while still maintaining a well-rounded win-rate and a high ELO (Kal is currently comfortably sitting at the #2 ELO rated Protoss player in Korea).

But sometime in between the end of Round 4 and the beginning of Round 5 of Proleague, Kal suddenly decided to stop losing games that he shouldn’t, going 7-2 with loses only to fantasy (who is nigh-unstoppable in TvP right now) and backho (large BO disadvantage). If Kal can put his very dangerous PvZ back together, he just may reclaim his spot as STX’s #1 player from Calm.

3.0 The Brains

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In april 2008 (Z)JulyZerg transferred to STX from SK Telecom 1 and soon after became the 1st Zerg and 2nd player ever to win a golden mouse, and also becoming the 1st player to ever win a Starleague while wearing an STX uniform. In the EVER2008 OSL July went on an absolute ZvP tear going 12-2 the whole tournament and continued to absolutely dominate Protoss players since (he currently has the highest ZvP ELO of any player). Since the EVER2008 OSL July has managed to dodge playing non-ZvP matches a lot, but has shown that while having S-class ZvP and A-class ZvT (just watch his recent series vs Skyhigh), his ZvZ has suffered greatly. July has gone a measly 3-12 in ZvZ since his OSL victory (compared to 9-7 vs Terran and 20-7 vs Protoss).
July has done better in Proleague on STX than he has done on other teams in the past, going 17 and 8 in Proleague this season. July did not play for STX at all in round 5 though, as I suspect he insisted to stay on the bench this round so that he can work on winning the GSL, where he currently is about to play Flash in the semifinals (his weak ZvZ might be considered too much of a weakness for Proleague also).

July’s biggest contribution to STX has not been his results in Proleague though, it is the impact he has had on the team. In early 2008 STX was a team of juniors; Hwasin, a young player himself was the most experienced player and captain of the team. July has given STX the leadership and seniority that they have needed, and the impact he has had on the team, specifically the Zerg players, is undeniable. July helped raise hero’s monster ZvP and develop Calm into a true top-tier Zerg, all the while regaining some of his own former ZvT skill. STX now has the most fearsome Zerg lineup of any team in the league, and it is they who will lead STX to victory this season. In his recent write-up, riptide refers to STX as “July’s boys”, and although July was only officially Captain for a short time, it’s clear that this truly is his team. Tushin has found a home.

4.0 back-up

Although some teams such as SKT1 can compare to STX in having 2 or 3 highly ranked players, it is the rest of the lineup that gives STX such an edge in the playoffs. STX has a total of SIX players in the top 40 ELO, with an average ranking of 17.67, only CJ Entus can compete (actually they have the same amount of players in the top 40 with a slightly lower ranking of 17, but with half of their top players somewhat slumping it doesn’t look good). These are the men that make things easier for Calm and Kal.

4.1
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(T)Hwasin


Hwasin has long been the face of STX. Until Kal burst onto the scene in late 07, Hwasin was for a long time the sole SouL member performing well in Individual leagues (PUNS!). At his peak, Hwasin was a serious contender for best Terran in Korea, dominating not just in TvZ (that has long been his staple matchup) but putting up results all 3 matchups. Although Hwasin is no longer the best player on STX, he still is a strong component.

In late 2008 Hwasin entered one of the biggest slumps of his career, most notably performing quite poorly in Proleague, causing STX to start experimenting with their rookie Terran’s to varying success (for a while Notice looked like he might have been the next big player from STX). Despite his lackluster proleague performance Hwasin has repeatedly qualified for the individual leagues. At one point it seemed that all Hwasin could win was TvZ.

Then suddenly Hwasin decided to not suck in Proleague, going 4-0 in round 5 and giving STX the sorely needed Terran consistency that had been killing them in rounds 3 and 4.

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(Z)by.hero


Hero made a name for himself in the Batoo OSL where he eliminated (at the time) Bisu in the Ro36 2-0 (I would like to point out I’ve been a fan of hero ever since he pulled that sweet fake-drop into real-drop against Bisu on Colosseum 2 in Round 1). He quickly came to fame as the “neo-JulyZerg” sharing a common play-style. Despite his impressive performance in the Batoo OSL (reaching the semis where he lost a “respectable” 0-3 to JAEDONG), by.hero was used sparingly on STX’s PL lineup until the 5th round, where he went 5-1. Although he had impressive results vs Terran in the Batoo OSL (defeating teammate Hwasin the Ro8 and beating fantasy and leta in his Ro16 group) he is currently on a losing streak vs Terran. Although he goes for some ballsy 2-hatch builds like Calm, he goes even ballsier and has mostly failed with a lot of them in the past few months. I think next season if he hones his ZvT to be a bit safer he can truly become a monster.

It is not hero’s ZvP that is his biggest asset for STX in Proleague right now though. Since his 0-3 lose to Jaedong in Batoo, he has gone undefeated vs Zerg opponents (currently on a 7-game winning streak). Assuming he avoids a decent Terran in the playoffs (and of course Jaedong), STX can count on a win from him.

4.3

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(P)Shuttle


Let me get this out in the open: Shuttle is good. Not great, but good. It is my opinion that if he didn’t have Kal to compete with for a Proleague spot on a team that only has room for 1 Protoss on their roster he would be a Proleague regular. Shuttle has faced Flash 5 times in the last month and despite going 1-4 vs him, you cannot deny that he didn’t play very well. It would be very unexpected if Shuttle doesn’t qualify for a Starleague next season.

Shuttle has a solid PvT and PvZ, and a very good PvP(just watch his game vs Bisu on Neo Medusa), going 6-2 for his career on TV and not losing an offline PvP since February 08. Expect Shuttle to make an appearance in every single playoff match STX plays, because he deserves it.

4.4

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(Z)Modesty


Mostly known for being a huge reason why STX went only 4-7 in round 4, Modesty has only ever played ZvZ in Proleague. EVER. Clearly STX uses modesty as a ZvZ “sniper”, although it appears he’s got a bit of nerves. I think lately he has fought his nerves and is doing decent enough for a rookie Zerg in Proleague, but to be honest I would only expect Modesty to show up if STX were playing a Zerg-heavy team or used to try to snipe a Zerg. It is clear with STX’s consistent use of modesty vs Zerg (he almost always plays on ZvZ havens such as Battle Royal or Raid Assault II) that he MUST be the best ZvZer in-house despite having worse results than his teammates. If he can get past his TV nerves, Modesty will be a threat to any Zerg player.

4.5

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(T)Bogus


Most known for beating Firebathero in the GSL S2, Bogus has had a small quiet career where he has managed to achieve a >55% winning ratio in every matchup. With a career 9-6 in televised games, Bogus is still quite young and inexperienced, but clearly has the most potential to eventually replace Hwasin as STX’s go-to Terran. If STX uses any Terran players besides Hwasin in the playoffs, expect it to be this little man.

4.6
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(T)Notice


During Winners League, it appeared as though STX had a new Terran on the block who could in time be a real Starleague contender. In February Notice all-killed ACE and 3-killed Hite. He said in a winner’s interview that he wanted to play flash (as his best matchup is TvT and Flash is THE TvTer to beat). Shortly after his wish came true and he battled it out with Flash on Neo Harmony, where Flash took a decisive win. 3 days after that he 3-killed Hite and then “slumped”, almost never showing up on the roster and failing to qualify for either Starleague (as well as being eliminated early by Iris in the GSL). Notice is still very young with a lot of potential, but it seems as though his Winners League success was a premature fluke. Don’t expect Notice to appear on STX’s lineup in the playoffs unless he has something special whipped up.

5.0 culture change

In this terrific article written almost 2 years ago by forum legend HonestTea, all 12 Proleague teams are profiled. He wrote about how STX’s biggest moment in the sun was (T)Yooi apologizing to the STX fans after losing the 2005 Season 2 Proleague.

“See, Soul still suffers from a culture of losing. They are simply too used to not being good enough, to falling behind in the standings, to typing "gg" before their opponent. When Soul wins, they seem uncomfortable by the very fact that they were victorious, like some nerd who managed to get to second base with a girl but doesn't know what to do next. This is a problem, because Soul is Peter Parker after the bite.” – HontestTea, September 2007


He then went on to note that STX is certainly changing, a team full of young players with tons of potential, a new sponsor, and a new ace (Hwasin). It may of have taken a while, but SouL has finally blossomed into a team of winners. When July won the Golden Mouse, he didn’t just give hope to every “old-school” player but also to every single member of STX. They too might have what it takes to win, that even the underdog has a chance. STX players now know that they do have what it takes to win, that they deserve to win, and that they will win. STX will go to the Grand Finals where they will face SKT Telecom 1, and STX’s transformation into champions will be completed upon their victory.




You may consider this maybe just some romantic ramblings of a currently-unemployed STX fanboy with a lot of free time on his hands, but I truly love to watch STX SouL play, and they have made StarCraft a passion of mine more than any of the other players. STX may lack an S-class player to lead them, but they all play in a more entertaining and endearing style than any other team in the league. It always hurts when I see STX Proleague live report threads getting totally out-posted and out-viewed by the opposing LR thread, and during round 4 I felt like there were only 2 or 3 other STX fans outside of Korea. With STX doing so much better right now I’m pleased to see the new STX icons below posts, and I hope that STX will gain even more fans. Not for their results, but for the enjoyment they bring to viewers when they play. STX is the most fun team to watch, and I hope as they presumably tear it up in the layoffs, more and more people will see that.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8100 Posts
July 14 2009 22:55 GMT
#2
omg that was way longer than I thought it would be when I 1st started it lol
Free Palestine
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
July 14 2009 23:00 GMT
#3
Very cool work

10-1 in a round in proleague is very impressive
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Harem
Profile Joined November 2007
United States11390 Posts
July 14 2009 23:07 GMT
#4
STX is so awesome and sexy.

+ Show Spoiler +
Also, you forgot to put the real reason Kal lost to Backho. (Because Backho > all)
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Profile Blog Joined September 2007
3788 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 23:07:53
July 14 2009 23:07 GMT
#5
lol 0-3 to jaedong is 'respectable'

imo soul has a really good chance at this, and I think Notice will be good in a few months

edit: No Tossgirl T_T
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esla_sol
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States756 Posts
July 14 2009 23:08 GMT
#6
im a cj fan boy myself, but i can definetly see stx making a run at the finals. very deadly team for sure.

i think if cj played stx they would put on a great show.
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
July 14 2009 23:09 GMT
#7
Nice article I definitely see STX as the team of younger players with driving ambition. They have a very fresh and youthful image here in Korea and their energy and determination seems to have paid off this season so far. Also they're lucky enough to have just enough veterans July/Hwasin to coach the youngest members of the team. (Plus they have the nicest fanclub members around who would do anything for their team.)
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Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
July 14 2009 23:09 GMT
#8
Very nice writeup!

I was surprised to see no references to this FE by Plexa, though.

Small nitpick: it was Shine[Kal] who beat Kal with a scouted 2hatch hydra, not Hogil.

(Also, though I like Soul, I have to admit that I hope they'll lose to KHAN, because I like KHAN more.)
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fabulous
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden45 Posts
July 14 2009 23:15 GMT
#9
Why SKT1 will win the Proleague: (T)fantasy
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So no fek
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3001 Posts
July 14 2009 23:15 GMT
#10
I'd be fine with STX winning this season (or making it past CJ at least), if it means I get to see Shuttle play more.
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Guilty
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada812 Posts
July 14 2009 23:16 GMT
#11
Very nice. Appreciate the effort u put in
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8100 Posts
July 14 2009 23:16 GMT
#12
On July 15 2009 08:09 Elyvilon wrote:
Very nice writeup!

I was surprised to see no references to this FE by Plexa, though.

Small nitpick: it was Shine[Kal] who beat Kal with a scouted 2hatch hydra, not Hogil.

(Also, though I like Soul, I have to admit that I hope they'll lose to KHAN, because I like KHAN more.)


omg I can't believe I forgot about that article. fuck I feel bad now
Free Palestine
Last Romantic
Profile Blog Joined June 2006
United States20661 Posts
July 14 2009 23:19 GMT
#13
I will attribute their success to the new skinny jeans.
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8100 Posts
July 14 2009 23:20 GMT
#14
On July 15 2009 08:19 Last Romantic wrote:
I will attribute their success to the new skinny jeans.


I wouldnt. They 1st got the new jeans in the beginning of round 4, where they did performed the worst in. Maybe they are just now getting used to the jeans or something though
Free Palestine
iPF[Div]
Profile Joined February 2008
Spain572 Posts
July 14 2009 23:22 GMT
#15
CJ vs STX will be the true finals.
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prOxi.Beater
Profile Joined December 2008
Denmark626 Posts
July 14 2009 23:31 GMT
#16
I voted for CJ in Liquibet, but it was a really tough decision. CJ and STX are so similar in that they're both very deep teams and the players are all roughly equally ranked compared to one another. If STX can make it past CJ I definitely see them as a huge threat to take the title, simply because no other can match the depth of STX's lineup (CJ being the only exception).

The reason I ended up going with CJ was STX's lack of a definitive ace player, whereas CJ has Effort to rely on.
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Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 14 2009 23:33 GMT
#17
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=69627
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8100 Posts
July 14 2009 23:41 GMT
#18
On July 15 2009 08:33 Plexa wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=69627


I now realize how similar my article is to yours,

fuck
Free Palestine
g3no
Profile Joined December 2008
120 Posts
July 14 2009 23:43 GMT
#19
Nother reason should be Tossgirl, best team pet imo.
Plexa
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
Aotearoa39261 Posts
July 14 2009 23:46 GMT
#20
On July 15 2009 08:41 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2009 08:33 Plexa wrote:
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=69627


I now realize how similar my article is to yours,

fuck

Testament to my gosu prediction skills!!
Seriously though, STX are going to rape the proleague silly
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Simple
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States801 Posts
July 14 2009 23:48 GMT
#21
it looks like they have the most balanced team

in terms of racial equality anyway
Pafnucy
Profile Joined October 2002
Poland1124 Posts
July 14 2009 23:52 GMT
#22
so much time have passed since soul was synonymous with "zerg" and "failure"...
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zazen
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Brazil695 Posts
July 14 2009 23:56 GMT
#23
Calm and Kal still have to reach their top, and July and Hwasin are not on their prime anymore.
All the other guys are maybe "good", but I don't think that's enough to win the PL.

CJ and SKT1 have much stronger lineups at the moment.
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Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
July 14 2009 23:56 GMT
#24
Great player breakdown. Yeah, I'd agree that they've got a pretty good chance. STX is one of the few teams that really impresses me in terms of being a "team." They've got a lot of great players which compliment each other both by race and playstyle.
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thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
July 14 2009 23:58 GMT
#25
Of course they will. Who doubted?
TwoStep
Profile Joined January 2009
United States294 Posts
July 14 2009 23:59 GMT
#26
On July 15 2009 08:56 zazen wrote:
Calm and Kal still have to reach their top, and July and Hwasin are not on their prime anymore.
All the other guys are maybe "good", but I don't think that's enough to win the PL.

CJ and SKT1 have much stronger lineups at the moment.

Is everyone oblivious to the fact that Skyhigh's been doing bad recently?
Arf
spydernoob
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada1066 Posts
July 15 2009 00:07 GMT
#27
skinny jeans and those awful white shoes with the tongue sticking out will not win proleague
wraiths go pew pew
Hammy
Profile Joined January 2009
France828 Posts
July 15 2009 00:09 GMT
#28
STX fighting!
I've always supported this team, I really hope they get some great wins in this season.
I love hearing about STX ships in the news, and people are like "wtf how do you know about this company" and then I proceed to explain that they sponsor a team of guys in spacesuits (actually almost normal clothes nowadays!) who compete in a video game :p.
Seriously, how could you not love this team? Hwasin, July, Hero, Calm and Kal? I don't like shuttle's gameplay though. But Kal is pretty much the only protoss player in enjoy watching.
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
July 15 2009 00:18 GMT
#29
STX slay your foes with the fury of ten thousand suns.
OMG you nasty gurl
LCC
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada348 Posts
July 15 2009 00:19 GMT
#30
Bogus has carried this team since day 1.

Straight up.
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
July 15 2009 00:22 GMT
#31
Bo7 format is sooooooooo good for SouL. Although you're preaching to the converted, great article. Everything is set in motion; it looks like STX's time has finally come.
stafu
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia1196 Posts
July 15 2009 00:23 GMT
#32
Great article! Go STX :>
StalkerSC
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Canada378 Posts
July 15 2009 00:30 GMT
#33
Umm...one problem...you forgot tossgirl, also even if STX wins the pro league, after bisu will go stab hwasin in his apartment :S
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Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2394 Posts
July 15 2009 00:34 GMT
#34
On July 15 2009 09:19 LCC wrote:
Bogus has carried this team since day 1.

Straight up.

ilu

Also I'm rooting for KHAN but STX is my 2nd favourite team and if they knock out KHAN they better take it all the way!
The original Bogus fan.
AlwaysGG
Profile Joined March 2009
Taiwan952 Posts
July 15 2009 00:40 GMT
#35
stx soul has amazing lineup almost can compete with CJ

but too bad only one of them can go play SKT1
but if is stx or cj go up against SKT i would totally vote for stx or cj

stx been 10-1 in R5 is totally zero to hero
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JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
July 15 2009 00:42 GMT
#36
STX's lineup is really deep, but I just don't see them making it all the way from their playoff with KHAN to the Grand Final against T1 (though they'd be the favorite against OZ purely by depth).

Shuttle's PvT is S-class.
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tobi9999
Profile Joined April 2009
United States1966 Posts
July 15 2009 00:47 GMT
#37
STX has no chance vs Oz, well actually they'll probably win

but remember what happened when people said STX 3-1 Oz in R5........
Remember why STX is 10-1 and not 11-0!
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StalinRusH
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States734 Posts
July 15 2009 00:49 GMT
#38
I feel stupid as STX is my favorite team and i know most there lineup but my STX brain must be on hold position cause....(P)Shuttle = (P)YoonJoong? correct? i Always mix up (P)YoonJoong and (P)SoO
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knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
July 15 2009 01:04 GMT
#39
Well if T1 wasn't in the grand final already I'd say STX would win. But for now they are my number 2 pick. However, someone needs to emerge as a star. If they go into a game 7 things might get ugly. With your possible future opponents having Effort, Leta, Jaedong, or Bisu your ace needs more then just practice time. I realize July has the experience and mind for an ace match but having to go up against one of the 5 hottest players around doesn't look too good for him.

So anything less then 7 games favors stx and going to that 7th game favors the opponent. This of course doesn't apply to stx vs khan as July's only real threat (FBH) is playing terrible.
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-15 02:10:14
July 15 2009 02:04 GMT
#40
I'm disappointed we won't see (T)Bogus at all in the opening round. This is partly because he's quietly a decent player, and partly because he's the goofiest looking pro-gamer around.

If (Z)EffOrt is a zergling or ultralisk, then Bogus is a science vessel; all rounded and silly-looking. Love that kid.


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peidongyang
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada2084 Posts
July 15 2009 02:19 GMT
#41
STX is a good team but bisu/best/fantasy?

aww cmon gimme a break.
the throws never bothered me anyway
illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
July 15 2009 02:30 GMT
#42
Did you just call July having A-class ZvT? Before his series with Skyhigh he hasn't played satisfactary ZvT for years.
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StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
July 15 2009 02:33 GMT
#43
You forgot to add (T)Last in
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
pripple
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Finland1714 Posts
July 15 2009 02:36 GMT
#44
great article.
STX could easily reach the finals, while Kal has always been good im finding Calm's recent plays excellent, and all the other players are goodish aswell, giving STX the depth no other team has at the moment!
Jaedong! <> Team MVP <> Mouz.
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
July 15 2009 02:53 GMT
#45
stx was really amazing this round
it's such a shame that notice and hwasin are so inconsistent because both players have an unbelievable amount of skill

kal is also extremely tall
Sullifam
FragKrag
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
United States11552 Posts
July 15 2009 03:04 GMT
#46
sorry guys CJ is gonna win!

though STX will get extremely far with a lineup which is probably deeper :o
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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8100 Posts
July 15 2009 03:17 GMT
#47
On July 15 2009 11:33 StorrZerg wrote:
You forgot to add (T)Last in


I figured he wasn't worth mentioning since he has only played 7 games (only 3 this season) and I figured he wouldn't appear on the lineup. LOL

His games vs Sea and MVP were promising though, but he has ZERO TvP games on record, so I guess we'll just see how he does.
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Husky
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3362 Posts
July 15 2009 03:18 GMT
#48
Shuttle fighting!
Commentaries: youtube.com/HuskyStarcraft
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8100 Posts
July 15 2009 03:22 GMT
#49
On July 15 2009 11:30 illu wrote:
Did you just call July having A-class ZvT? Before his series with Skyhigh he hasn't played satisfactary ZvT for years.


He has had good ZvT ever since December 08. Just watch his game vs firebathero on chupung-ryeong (this was about 2 weeks after FBH defeated JD twice).
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geod
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Vietnam450 Posts
July 15 2009 03:23 GMT
#50
In theory this is a pittiful line up compared to SKT .
SKT:
two S class players Bisu, Fantasy
three A class players have been selected for ... recent PowerRanks :D: Canata, Best,TheZerg.

Which Stx player was listed on PR? Hwasin, Kal, Calm. That's all Stx has :D
theobsessed1
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States576 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-15 03:27:27
July 15 2009 03:27 GMT
#51
Did July really transfer from SKT1 before STX? I thought it was MBC Game Hero

Good writeup anyway but SKT1 will win!
정명훈 화이팅!~
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
July 15 2009 03:28 GMT
#52
On July 15 2009 12:23 geod wrote:
In theory this is a pittiful line up compared to SKT .
SKT:
two S class players Bisu, Fantasy
three A class players have been selected for ... recent PowerRanks :D: Canata, Best,TheZerg.

Which Stx player was listed on PR? Hwasin, Kal, Calm. That's all Stx has :D


What are you talking about Best hasnt been anywhere near a power rank since January and TheZerg is an sktzerg has a 44% lifetime. Both of their performances have been absolutely abysmal.
OMG you nasty gurl
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-15 03:28:52
July 15 2009 03:28 GMT
#53
On July 15 2009 12:27 theobsessed1 wrote:
Did July really transfer from SKT1 before STX? I thought it was MBC Game Hero

Good writeup anyway but SKT1 will win!


He went from MBC to SKT1 to STX,
OMG you nasty gurl
3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
July 15 2009 03:43 GMT
#54
On July 15 2009 11:19 peidongyang wrote:
STX is a good team but bisu/best/fantasy?

aww cmon gimme a break.

After them and Canata the skill level kind of plummets. Don't get me wrong, they're a good team with some amazing players (which shows in their current #1 rank), but you can't argue that they're the deepest. They don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to zerg, making their players easier to snipe and impairing them due to the fact that they must play a zerg each match. In a bo7, STX has them beat.
Jaksiel
Profile Joined November 2008
United States4130 Posts
July 15 2009 03:58 GMT
#55
Calm is the "undisputed" third best Zerg? I'll take Zero.

I do think STX has a good chance of winning PL though.
Zero fighting.
knyttym
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States5797 Posts
July 15 2009 04:30 GMT
#56
On July 15 2009 12:43 3clipse wrote:
In a bo7, STX has them beat.


I have to disagree with this statement.

In a Bo7 series there are 6 games and an ace.
I think we can agree that T1 is favored in the ace matchup with the #1 protoss and a top 3 Terran.
So to get to a predicted ace match T1 needs to win 3 games of the 6.

First is Bisu who is favored vs everyone at the moment.

Second is Fantasy who can definitely beat anyone on STX. The strongest player Kal is Fantasy's strongest matchup. I don't think any of the zergs can handle his odd prepared builds so this is a pretty solid 2nd win.

Third is Canata who is either favored or equal to all the zerg/terran players. In the past four months he has met hero twice and Calm once. 3-0 for Canata here. His TvT form is questionable but Hwasin isn't in top form either. Lastly he is on a decent streak vs Protoss so he is at least equal to Shuttle. Recently he lost 1-2 to Kal so he is definitely the underdog in that situation but not by too far.

That is 3 strong matchups right there. That + the ace matchup means a strong chance of a T1 win.

Ok going down the list, next is Best. He is definitely weak against the 3 stx zerg line but pulling one of the others or a rookie will net good results. Again Kal is a problem but he can't be everywhere -.-

The T1 zergs will probably be sent out to ZvZ where they might win. July isn't in good ZvZ form and Calm isn't consistent here either. Hero shows a good record so that might be some trouble.

So in favorable matchups, T1 can be favored in 4/6 and the ace. In unfavorable conditions favored in 2 and the ace. Underdog in 4/6.
With both teams predicting the others well, the chance of 3/6 favored for each is pretty high and the ace match is T1.

GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
July 15 2009 04:36 GMT
#57
Honnestly, I think Hwaseung will be for the final... STX will manage to play in semi final against Hwaseung, but Im sure Hwaseung will win... they prepare something huge to show they want to win this seasons.

I think the next season of the ProLeague, STX will have a bigger advantage and could be able to destroy everybody.
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AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
July 15 2009 04:41 GMT
#58
Calm is better than Zero imo.

STX has so many well-rounded Zergs that its awesome
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Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
July 15 2009 05:11 GMT
#59
On July 15 2009 11:30 illu wrote:
Did you just call July having A-class ZvT? Before his series with Skyhigh he hasn't played satisfactary ZvT for years.

His 7-3 in his last 10 ZvT would disagree with you.
OMG you nasty gurl
d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
July 15 2009 05:44 GMT
#60
Excellent writeup, I too was an STX fan after July's move to the team however after watching BeSt and Fantasy play I couldn't help but switch to SKT however STX still has mad love from me .
Hi.
Stuslegend
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
Canada168 Posts
July 15 2009 05:50 GMT
#61
i agree stx is a pure sniper team, calm will lead them to victory imo
stork can have my kids in his mouth any time... no homo O_O'
eMrg)limbo
Profile Joined June 2009
United States11 Posts
July 15 2009 05:54 GMT
#62
--- Nuked ---
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
July 15 2009 06:17 GMT
#63
To all the people saying how SKT1 will destroy STX, try to remember how STX went 3-1 against SKT1 this round :D
TranslatorBaa!
Djabanete
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States2786 Posts
July 15 2009 06:30 GMT
#64
<3 Kal and July
May the BeSt man win.
jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
July 15 2009 07:07 GMT
#65
STX will win this and I'll cheer for them.

ASSTEEAXXX!
http://twitter.com/jhNz
Presony-Boy
Profile Joined April 2007
Israel812 Posts
July 15 2009 07:08 GMT
#66
hwasin will always be #1 for me!
but still a good read. calm is my favorite z player and kal is my favorite p player so i guess i kinda agree with u.
Hwasin fan since 15 February 2007 - Hwasin/Calm/Kal Fighting~!
Tekin
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
2711 Posts
July 15 2009 10:25 GMT
#67
STX could make it to the finals with there amazing lineup
(T)Hwasin (Z)July (Z)Calm (P)Kal (P)Shuttle (Z)hero (T)Notice (Z)Modesty but we all know that SKT1 will win the final with there over stack roster.
Cheers! //¯◡◡¯\\ 문채원 | 한지우 -___-
MisteR
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Netherlands595 Posts
July 15 2009 10:41 GMT
#68
Lovely article! I'd like to see one of these for all playoff contenders...
Nal_Ra/Much/Horang2/Flying fighting!~
beLieVe
Profile Joined June 2009
Germany15 Posts
July 15 2009 11:00 GMT
#69
HwaSin fighting!
Gee Gee
GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
July 15 2009 11:02 GMT
#70
GooJila will bring team against Hwaseung. Them hard to say if STX will be able to beats Jaedong's team...
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Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
July 15 2009 11:13 GMT
#71
On July 15 2009 20:02 GoSu wrote:
GooJila will bring team against Hwaseung. Them hard to say if STX will be able to beats Jaedong's team...

4-1 STX easy to call that one lol
OMG you nasty gurl
jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
July 15 2009 11:14 GMT
#72
On July 15 2009 20:02 GoSu wrote:
GooJila will bring team against Hwaseung. Them hard to say if STX will be able to beats Jaedong's team...


i corrected that.
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SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-15 11:41:13
July 15 2009 11:40 GMT
#73
the big weakness of STX is not having a player who is a S-class player
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5724 Posts
July 15 2009 11:41 GMT
#74
this is a nice article. they sure surprised everyone in round 5.
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
ssystem
Profile Joined August 2008
United Kingdom337 Posts
July 15 2009 11:47 GMT
#75
Not having a S-class player isn't that bad because they have players with S-class matchups against every race. Obviously this makes calling the ace game hard but if they call it right they can beat anyone (that includes Jaedong/Bisu)
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 15 2009 11:52 GMT
#76
On July 15 2009 20:47 ssystem wrote:
Not having a S-class player isn't that bad because they have players with S-class matchups against every race. Obviously this makes calling the ace game hard but if they call it right they can beat anyone (that includes Jaedong/Bisu)


I dont see anyone from STX beat JD (of course it could happen, but its not very likely), they have July vs Bisu true.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
exeprime
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United Kingdom643 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-15 12:06:38
July 15 2009 12:05 GMT
#77
On July 15 2009 20:52 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2009 20:47 ssystem wrote:
Not having a S-class player isn't that bad because they have players with S-class matchups against every race. Obviously this makes calling the ace game hard but if they call it right they can beat anyone (that includes Jaedong/Bisu)


I dont see anyone from STX beat JD (of course it could happen, but its not very likely), they have July vs Bisu true.


STX doesn't need to beat JD, really. Just the rest of Hwaseung, which is totally possible.

And vs. Bisu there's both July but also hero, which everyone seems to forget, who's 3-0 vs. Bisu in 2009. Also Calm's in great shape and ZvP is his best matchup. Also, even Hwasin managed to beat Bisu recently, lol.
Presony-Boy
Profile Joined April 2007
Israel812 Posts
July 15 2009 12:07 GMT
#78
id say only hwasin and kal can beat jd, tho i dont see kal beating jd.
Hwasin fan since 15 February 2007 - Hwasin/Calm/Kal Fighting~!
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8100 Posts
July 15 2009 17:28 GMT
#79
On July 15 2009 20:52 SuperArc wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2009 20:47 ssystem wrote:
Not having a S-class player isn't that bad because they have players with S-class matchups against every race. Obviously this makes calling the ace game hard but if they call it right they can beat anyone (that includes Jaedong/Bisu)


I dont see anyone from STX beat JD (of course it could happen, but its not very likely), they have July vs Bisu true.


I guess we'll see tonight in the MSL if Kal still has what it takes to beat JD, but Hwasin has shown that he still can go toe-to-toe with him.

But yeah, probably not lol
Free Palestine
KingofHearts
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Japan562 Posts
July 15 2009 17:39 GMT
#80
tossgirl is s class imho
moshi moshi~
olof
Profile Joined July 2009
Sweden254 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-16 00:12:03
July 16 2009 00:08 GMT
#81
I like STX because they play as a team. Even though I wish so, I don't believe any of them has any greater chances at a gold in any of the individual leagues. I believe they can beat better teams because of the way they match up players against eachother, or "snipe" as you seem to refer to it.


Who is that tiny player in the bottom left? It looks as if july could eat him for breakfast and still be hungry before lunch. I've seen him sitting with the team during matches, but never seen him play.


edit Could it be (P)Trap? The guy that beat (T)IdrA in GomTV
hi man O_O
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8100 Posts
July 16 2009 19:22 GMT
#82
On July 16 2009 09:08 olof wrote:
I like STX because they play as a team. Even though I wish so, I don't believe any of them has any greater chances at a gold in any of the individual leagues. I believe they can beat better teams because of the way they match up players against eachother, or "snipe" as you seem to refer to it.


Who is that tiny player in the bottom left? It looks as if july could eat him for breakfast and still be hungry before lunch. I've seen him sitting with the team during matches, but never seen him play.


edit Could it be (P)Trap? The guy that beat (T)IdrA in GomTV


I think it is. I believe:
top row: (T)Last, (Z)Modesty, (P)Kal, (P)SoO, (T)Bogus, (Z)July
bottom row: (P)Trap, (Z)by.hero, (T)Hwasin, (Z)Calm, (P)Shuttle
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3clipse
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Canada2555 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-16 19:40:47
July 16 2009 19:39 GMT
#83
On July 17 2009 04:22 Ideas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 16 2009 09:08 olof wrote:
I like STX because they play as a team. Even though I wish so, I don't believe any of them has any greater chances at a gold in any of the individual leagues. I believe they can beat better teams because of the way they match up players against eachother, or "snipe" as you seem to refer to it.


Who is that tiny player in the bottom left? It looks as if july could eat him for breakfast and still be hungry before lunch. I've seen him sitting with the team during matches, but never seen him play.


edit Could it be (P)Trap? The guy that beat (T)IdrA in GomTV


I think it is. I believe:
top row: (T)Last, (Z)Modesty, (P)Kal, (P)SoO, (T)Bogus, (Z)July
bottom row: (P)Trap, (Z)by.hero, (T)Hwasin, (Z)Calm, (P)Shuttle

^ Yeah, this is correct. ^

Soo looks really odd in that pic, but I don't see who else it could be.
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
July 16 2009 20:21 GMT
#84
success is in the jeans
what other team has such cool clothing?
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 16 2009 20:37 GMT
#85
On July 17 2009 05:21 hyst.eric.al wrote:
success is in the jeans
what other team has such cool clothing?


July torturers!!
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
DeepGray
Profile Joined October 2008
United States214 Posts
July 17 2009 02:14 GMT
#86
On July 16 2009 02:39 KingofHearts wrote:
tossgirl is s class imho

tossgirl for Sexy class? :D
Ahtiven
Profile Joined May 2009
Malaysia159 Posts
July 17 2009 02:49 GMT
#87
is July going to play in final round of ProLeague?
Life is a gift, don't waste it.
TiQ.SinGi
Profile Joined December 2004
Norway385 Posts
July 17 2009 23:21 GMT
#88
please STX!!! July month POWER!
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EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
July 19 2009 19:39 GMT
#89
bump
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
July 19 2009 19:40 GMT
#90
HAHA golden bump
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16987 Posts
July 19 2009 19:49 GMT
#91
Haha I bet you're happy that Khan won
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ryuu_
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
United States1266 Posts
July 19 2009 19:52 GMT
#92
Poor STX. Great games all around at least :/
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
July 19 2009 19:53 GMT
#93
On July 20 2009 04:40 OneOther wrote:
HAHA golden bump
Don't worry, ill bump the "why khan will win proleague" right after CJ destroys them...
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BisuBoi
Profile Joined February 2009
United States350 Posts
July 19 2009 20:01 GMT
#94
On July 20 2009 04:53 Dazed_Spy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2009 04:40 OneOther wrote:
HAHA golden bump
Don't worry, ill bump the "why khan will win proleague" right after CJ destroys them...


I will bump this post when Khan destroys everyone in 2009.
ndralcasid
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States524 Posts
July 19 2009 20:19 GMT
#95
Holy hell, Kal looks freakin' tall in that picture >_<
I aint crying over some daggone danishes
Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8100 Posts
July 19 2009 20:21 GMT
#96
fluke wins are flukey
Free Palestine
EvoChamber
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
France2505 Posts
July 19 2009 20:24 GMT
#97
phew, it's a good thing stx failing when the chips are down has never happened.
That's not awful writing, DAMMIT. It's perfectly sensical english construction.
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
July 19 2009 21:07 GMT
#98
On July 20 2009 05:19 ndralcasid wrote:
Holy hell, Kal looks freakin' tall in that picture >_<

Kal's like 6 foot 3...
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
July 19 2009 21:12 GMT
#99
You just had to rub it in didn't you?
Ignoring the game that modesty threw away, STX pretty much dominated khan the second day.
Sullifam
thopol
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Japan4560 Posts
July 19 2009 21:16 GMT
#100
On July 20 2009 06:12 ghostWriter wrote:
You just had to rub it in didn't you?
Ignoring the game that modesty threw away, STX pretty much dominated khan the second day.

Yes. It's clear despite the results which team is stronger.
TwoStep
Profile Joined January 2009
United States294 Posts
July 19 2009 21:24 GMT
#101
If I had a choice, I would pick the weaker team that wins. When's the last time a team without an S-class player won the PL?
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