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Fun fact - The ace match bonjwa

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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 09:05:29
July 14 2009 08:00 GMT
#1
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"Ace match bonjwa ~>"


Facts about the ace match bonjwa - Leta:
  • Highest ace match wins in the entire season (excluding Winner's League)
  • Leta played more than half of Hite's total number of ace matches, 16 out of 27
  • Highest win rate about players who've played in more than 10 ace matches
  • Almost a quarter of Leta's total number of wins in this season (49 wins) comes from winning the ace match (13 wins)

▶ Shinhan Bank Proleague 08-09 Season ace match wins rankings
1st (T)Leta 13W 3L 81.3%
2nd (Z)Jaedong 9W 4L 69.2%
3rd (T)Flash 6W 5L 54.5%
4th (P)Bisu 5W 1L 83.3%
4th (Z)Calm 5W 3L 62.5%
6th (P)JangBi 4W 1L 80%
6th (P)BeSt 4W 1L 80%
6th (P)free 4W 2L 66.7%
6th (Z)EffOrt 4W 3L 57.1%
6th (T)Really 4W 4L 50%
6th (P)Kal 4W 5L 44.4%
12th (P)Stork 3W 3L 50%
12th (T)Mind 3W 3L 50%
12th (Z)ZerO 3W 4L 42.9%
15th (Z)July 2W 0L 100%
15th (Z)Kwanro 2W 0L 100%
15th (Z)Saint 2W 1L 66.7%
15th (P)Pusan 2W 2L 50%
15th (Z)YellOw[ArnC] 2W 2L 50%
15th (T)firebathero 2W 2L 50%
15th (Z)great 2W 2L 50%
15th (T)Light 2W 3L 40%
15th (T)fantasy 2W 3L 40%
24th (Z)sAviOr 1W 0L 100%
24th (T)HiyA 1W 0L 100%
24th (Z)HyuN 1W 0L 100%
24th (Z)Shine[kaL] 1W 0L 100%
24th (P)Pure 1W 0L 100%
24th (Z)GoRush 1W 1L 50%
24th (T)UpMaGiC 1W 1L 50%
24th (T)Shine 1W 1L 50%
24th (Z)OversKy 1W 1L 50%
24th (Z)HoGiL 1W 1L 50%
24th (Z)type-b 1W 1L 50%
24th (Z)Luxury 1W 2L 33.3%
24th (T)Sea 1W 2L 33.3%
24th (T)fOrGG 1W 2L 33.3%
24th (Z)RorO 1W 2L 33.3%
24th (P)SangHo 1W 2L 33.3%
24th (Z)hyvaa 1W 3L 25%
41st (Z)GGPlay 1L 0%
41st (T)Iris 1L 0%
41st (P)Tester 1L 0%
41st (P)Rock 1L 0%
41st (P)DaezanG 1L 0%
41st (Z)keke 1L 0%
41st (P)Reach 1L 0%
41st (T)Canata 1L 0%
41st (P)yoOn 1L 0%
41st (Z)Thezerg 1L 0%
41st (T)PianO 1L 0%
41st (T)BaBy 1L 0%
41st (T)PuMa 1L 0%
41st (Z)Modesty 1L 0%
41st (Z)Hyuk 1L 0%
41st (Z)YellOw 1L 0%
41st (T)go.go 1L 0%
41st (T)Casy 1L 0%
41st (Z)maGma 2L 0%
41st (T)Hwasin 3L 0%
41st (T)sKyHigh 3L 0%
41st (P)Anytime 4L 0%

Source: Fomos
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BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
July 14 2009 08:03 GMT
#2
Who were his losses to in the three ace matches that he lost?
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
Camlito
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
Australia4040 Posts
July 14 2009 08:04 GMT
#3
On July 14 2009 17:03 BanZu wrote:
Who were his losses to in the three ace matches that he lost?


One was to jaedong.
sAviOr...
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
July 14 2009 08:04 GMT
#4
I can only remember one of them being against Jaedong on Heartbreak Ridge
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jhNz
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
Germany2762 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 08:05:25
July 14 2009 08:04 GMT
#5
Anytime T_T

wow shine[kal] played an ace match?!

but interesting stats... seems like hite really lacks good ace players.
except leta ofc ^^
http://twitter.com/jhNz
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
July 14 2009 08:06 GMT
#6
wow a bunch of the numbers I have for this are totally wrong, this is what I get for trusting fzero's numbers (jk I love you!)
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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
July 14 2009 08:08 GMT
#7
he looks so... Unreal in that picture... So different looking than the usual Leta o.O
dats racist
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
July 14 2009 08:09 GMT
#8
Yeah I get what you mean

His face looks so stiff.. almost like a mannequin o.o
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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
July 14 2009 08:15 GMT
#9
On July 14 2009 17:09 konadora wrote:
Yeah I get what you mean

His face looks so stiff.. almost like a mannequin o.o

or a girl from 강남
LOLOLOLOLOL
dats racist
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
July 14 2009 08:26 GMT
#10
Wasn't that vs Jaedong, Calm and JangBi ?
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nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
July 14 2009 08:30 GMT
#11
Leta seems like such an awesome guy, i want to see some video interviews and stuff with him!
Beamo
Profile Joined March 2003
France1279 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 08:53:14
July 14 2009 08:52 GMT
#12
On July 14 2009 17:00 konadora wrote:
[*]Almost a quarter of Leta's total number of wins in this season (49 wins) comes from winning the ace match (16 wins)


You mean 13 wins, but the 25% is still accurate =)
Perguvious
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1783 Posts
July 14 2009 08:54 GMT
#13
anytime 4 losses makes me a sad perguvious
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 14 2009 09:10 GMT
#14
this proves what a weak team Hite is
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51516 Posts
July 14 2009 09:20 GMT
#15
Leta, miracle boy!
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genryou
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Malaysia390 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 09:30:58
July 14 2009 09:26 GMT
#16
Leta win alot of ACE match = his teammates suck that the match end up to ACE every single time.

well, not as suck as Jaedong's teammates though

I,m sure Jaedong can score more ACE match if his teammates win at least 1 match

EDIT: sAviOr 1W 0L 100% XP
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konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
July 14 2009 09:32 GMT
#17
On July 14 2009 18:26 genryou wrote:
sAviOr 1W 0L 100% XP

100%

BONJWA
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GoSu
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
Korea (South)1773 Posts
July 14 2009 09:33 GMT
#18
On July 14 2009 17:08 MrHoon wrote:
he looks so... Unreal in that picture... So different looking than the usual Leta o.O


Agree! On this one, he looks more mature!
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739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29903 Posts
July 14 2009 09:34 GMT
#19
Kwanro 2W 0L 100%
KWANRO BONJWA > SAVIOR BONJWA
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Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8091 Posts
July 14 2009 09:37 GMT
#20
Theres two kt aces, flash and lux, lux has only played 3 games
ROFL
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ArvickHero
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
10387 Posts
July 14 2009 10:11 GMT
#21
So Hite is even more of a 1-man team than Oz
Writerptrk
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
July 14 2009 10:18 GMT
#22
On July 14 2009 19:11 ArvickHero wrote:
So Hite is even more of a 1-man team than Oz

No..

Leta playing more ace matches means more Hite players win at least 1 game for Leta to play in ace match, while Jaedong's record shows that he's the only one who wins and rest loses (or they win 3-0/3-1 more)
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Aesop
Profile Joined October 2007
Hungary11305 Posts
July 14 2009 10:24 GMT
#23
I was about to say "cool stats, add to Liquipedia please".

And then: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft/Ace_Match

good post and good job!
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NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
July 14 2009 10:40 GMT
#24
That's cool news for Leta - he's such a vibrant player at the live events and his plays are very concise at times. I really enjoy watching him going for the ace matches.
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29 fps
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States5725 Posts
July 14 2009 10:52 GMT
#25
when did savior play an ace match? i dont remember. mustve been zvz
4v4 is a battle of who has the better computer.
BlackMagister
Profile Joined October 2008
United States5834 Posts
July 14 2009 10:55 GMT
#26
On July 14 2009 19:52 29 fps wrote:
when did savior play an ace match? i dont remember. mustve been zvz


Then how come Savior won?
RokkenRock
Profile Joined July 2009
Norway1 Post
July 14 2009 11:05 GMT
#27
skyhigh T_T I expect something slightly better than this from him..

and when did puma play an ace match ó.ò
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
July 14 2009 11:46 GMT
#28
On July 14 2009 20:05 RokkenRock wrote:
skyhigh T_T I expect something slightly better than this from him..

and when did puma play an ace match ó.ò

Yeah I feel really sad for skyhigh (and anytime too)

And lol @ puma
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icystorage
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Jollibee19350 Posts
July 14 2009 11:53 GMT
#29
can i kiss you leta? pleeeease? :<
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TwoStep
Profile Joined January 2009
United States294 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 17:47:24
July 14 2009 17:47 GMT
#30
On July 14 2009 19:18 konadora wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2009 19:11 ArvickHero wrote:
So Hite is even more of a 1-man team than Oz

No..

Leta playing more ace matches means more Hite players win at least 1 game for Leta to play in ace match, while Jaedong's record shows that he's the only one who wins and rest loses (or they win 3-0/3-1 more)

No...
Oz's record without JD is 80-82
Hite's record without Leta is 92-98.
This shows that Oz generally plays less games than Hite meaning whether they win or lose, it rarely goes to the Ace match.
In terms of depth, I'd say they're pretty close.
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iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
July 14 2009 17:52 GMT
#31
nice
meegrean
Profile Joined May 2008
Thailand7699 Posts
July 14 2009 17:55 GMT
#32
Yep, he's good.
Brood War loyalist
revolover
Profile Joined January 2009
Canada134 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 17:58:42
July 14 2009 17:58 GMT
#33
Yay Leta!
HooHa!
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States688 Posts
July 14 2009 18:34 GMT
#34
July 100% too, yeah!
Hoo Ra!
KnightOfNi
Profile Joined December 2007
United States1508 Posts
July 14 2009 18:54 GMT
#35
LETA LETA LETA LETA LETA LETA LETA!!!!!!
RIP eSTRO :(
LuDwig-
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Italy1143 Posts
July 14 2009 19:38 GMT
#36
man u have to be sick to make this statistic..have u got a lifE?
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Holgerius
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Sweden16951 Posts
July 14 2009 19:40 GMT
#37
Awesome! Being the No 1 Ace player is no small feat! Go Leta!
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T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
July 14 2009 19:54 GMT
#38
I can't respect a guy who cheats by looking into the crowd
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
Clow
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Brazil880 Posts
July 14 2009 20:09 GMT
#39
(Z)July 2W 0L 100%
Bonjwa
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Smix *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States4549 Posts
July 14 2009 20:15 GMT
#40
T_T at bottom three (hwasin skyhigh anytime)
Mad props to Leta~~ hehehe <3

Thanks for the translation kona!!
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ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
July 14 2009 20:45 GMT
#41
On July 14 2009 17:15 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2009 17:09 konadora wrote:
Yeah I get what you mean

His face looks so stiff.. almost like a mannequin o.o

or a girl from 강남
LOLOLOLOLOL


ROFL TRUTH

but he's actually really cute~
and who doesn't know that leta is the king of ace matches?
he's been hite's go to guy for over a year already.
Sullifam
Flicky
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
England2669 Posts
July 14 2009 20:54 GMT
#42
It is nice picking out stats like this. If you also look at the standard proleague (not winners league) records, Leta is top of that as well with a 41 - 14 record. You can check out this for the rest.

Very impressive in higher pressure situations though. Looking forward to him hopefully getting that little bit extra (be in different builds or whatnot) that will truely put him into the S-class. I <3 Leta =D
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faseman
Profile Joined April 2009
Australia215 Posts
July 14 2009 20:54 GMT
#43
So sad to see 5 ACE players at rank 41 I didn't count the combined losses in fear of it making me more depressed!
[]Lowkey[]
Profile Joined April 2009
30 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-07-14 21:22:29
July 14 2009 21:22 GMT
#44
On July 15 2009 05:54 Flicky wrote:
It is nice picking out stats like this. If you also look at the standard proleague (not winners league) records, Leta is top of that as well with a 41 - 14 record. You can check out this for the rest.

Very impressive in higher pressure situations though. Looking forward to him hopefully getting that little bit extra (be in different builds or whatnot) that will truely put him into the S-class. I <3 Leta =D

he just nids 1 more power up to become S-class so to speak XD...

Ace Bonjwa? nice...
BoooYahhhh!
SuperArc
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Austria7781 Posts
July 14 2009 21:25 GMT
#45
On July 15 2009 05:54 Flicky wrote:
It is nice picking out stats like this. If you also look at the standard proleague (not winners league) records, Leta is top of that as well with a 41 - 14 record. You can check out this for the rest.

Very impressive in higher pressure situations though. Looking forward to him hopefully getting that little bit extra (be in different builds or whatnot) that will truely put him into the S-class. I <3 Leta =D


since you mentioned that...

Wow, Leta sucked in WL.
Snow - future of protoss! :) Nada = baller
AzureEye
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States1360 Posts
July 14 2009 21:27 GMT
#46
On July 15 2009 02:47 TwoStep wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 14 2009 19:18 konadora wrote:
On July 14 2009 19:11 ArvickHero wrote:
So Hite is even more of a 1-man team than Oz

No..

Leta playing more ace matches means more Hite players win at least 1 game for Leta to play in ace match, while Jaedong's record shows that he's the only one who wins and rest loses (or they win 3-0/3-1 more)

No...
Oz's record without JD is 80-82
Hite's record without Leta is 92-98.
This shows that Oz generally plays less games than Hite meaning whether they win or lose, it rarely goes to the Ace match.
In terms of depth, I'd say they're pretty close.


Hite has Yarnc and type B though. Oz's Lomo and Hiya? I don't think they're doing as well
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Black Gun
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Germany4482 Posts
July 14 2009 21:56 GMT
#47
the 3 loses were against jaedong, jangbi and calm.
"What am I supposed to do against this?" - "Lose!" :-]
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
July 15 2009 01:07 GMT
#48
On July 15 2009 06:27 AzureEye wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2009 02:47 TwoStep wrote:
On July 14 2009 19:18 konadora wrote:
On July 14 2009 19:11 ArvickHero wrote:
So Hite is even more of a 1-man team than Oz

No..

Leta playing more ace matches means more Hite players win at least 1 game for Leta to play in ace match, while Jaedong's record shows that he's the only one who wins and rest loses (or they win 3-0/3-1 more)

No...
Oz's record without JD is 80-82
Hite's record without Leta is 92-98.
This shows that Oz generally plays less games than Hite meaning whether they win or lose, it rarely goes to the Ace match.
In terms of depth, I'd say they're pretty close.


Hite has Yarnc and type B though. Oz's Lomo and Hiya? I don't think they're doing as well


Oz is not deep at all. lomo is really inconsistent and hiya is like 1-9 in his last 10 games

and more than yarnc and type b, it's horang2
Sullifam
GoAudio
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden400 Posts
July 15 2009 01:40 GMT
#49
imba
EffOrt[fOu] & Hyvaa[S.G] <3 :D
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
July 15 2009 01:42 GMT
#50
idk i think jaedong > leta. its just jaedong is number one so everyone is gunning for him. leta has been floating around under the radar for longer, so when he came busting out he was able to take so many ace matches cause well no one is used to his play style.
Hwaseung Oz fan for life. Swing out, always swing out.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
July 15 2009 03:03 GMT
#51
I guess that means Hite is an even worse team than Oz if they go to Ace that much.
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broz0rs
Profile Joined July 2008
United States2294 Posts
July 15 2009 16:40 GMT
#52
[image loading]


credit: Eunhun @ Fomos
illu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada2531 Posts
July 15 2009 16:58 GMT
#53
Leta has the highest skills when it comes to looking at the audiences to get maphacks.
:]
himurakenshin
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
Canada1845 Posts
July 15 2009 20:39 GMT
#54
the true ace match bonjwa was Nal_rA
buscettn
Profile Joined April 2009
Austria129 Posts
July 16 2009 14:11 GMT
#55
the problem with these statistics is that if we count all the absolut wins as our major indicator players in teams performing good (winning without needing an ace match) are worse off.
the winning-percentage would be the best indicator, but then people winning and playing only one match would be our bonjwas... those proleague statistics are pretty tricky

Leta nevertheless deserves the first place, playing alot of games and having an awesome win ratio
PrAsty
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada21 Posts
July 16 2009 16:43 GMT
#56
im surprised that fantasy has only won two of his five ace matches. i wonder who they were against

imperfect
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Canada1652 Posts
July 16 2009 17:02 GMT
#57
oh god anytime T_T_T_T_T_T
blind bisu free and anytime fanboy.
simfarm
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Ireland75 Posts
July 17 2009 04:16 GMT
#58
I really wish we didn't misuse "bonjwa."
Orbifold
Profile Joined September 2008
United States1922 Posts
July 17 2009 04:51 GMT
#59
Win rate may not be the best way to evaluate ACE match performance. For instance, a weak team would generally go to an ace match when facing another weak team... so a good player on a weak team may have an inflated rank because they face weaker competition. I would like to see ACE match ELO rankings, or some similar measure.
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Crunchums
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
United States11144 Posts
July 17 2009 04:55 GMT
#60
Leta [image loading]
brood war for life, brood war forever
hyst.eric.al
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States2332 Posts
July 17 2009 05:01 GMT
#61
i myself am praying for leta to win his first individual league
proleague's nice and all but his teammates are giving diminishing returns
Leta , BeSt, Calm fan forever! 김정우, I am sorry I ever lost faith in you.
fleesy
Profile Joined May 2009
Russian Federation14 Posts
July 17 2009 07:20 GMT
#62
yay! that's so nice! my best favourite player ever! And definetely he deserves ace-match bonjwa. love love love.
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Etherone
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1898 Posts
July 17 2009 07:32 GMT
#63
this is just like that retarded effort statistic.

why make it 10+ and not 5+? oh right you had to exclude bisu out of the sample.
why not include who they played against in said ace matches?
why exclude winner's league?

is it really less impressive if you don't try to manipulate the data?

Leta is a sick ace match player, include his matches who he won against and his ace match stats + his overall stats all season long. sure it might not be as impressive to those who crave sensationalist BS, but it will draw attention to him from anyone with half a brain that realizes that winning five ace matches means you're an exceptional player.

i don't mean to attack you kona, but that effort stat annoyed me and this is along that same line.
konadora *
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Singapore66358 Posts
July 17 2009 08:05 GMT
#64
i know it's not an attack against me lol, no need to apologise

I think it was too much effort for Fomos to include who they faced in the ace matches.

As for Winner's League, can game 7 really be considered ace match? Let's say you are now 3-3, and only ONE team can send out a player of their choice in the 7th map. Kind of unfair for the other team, unlike normal proleague games where both teams can send out players of their choice.

What's the 10+ and 5+?
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ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
July 17 2009 11:11 GMT
#65
What are you talking about etherone?
Sullifam
ghostWriter
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States3302 Posts
July 17 2009 11:20 GMT
#66
On July 17 2009 13:16 simfarm wrote:
I really wish we didn't misuse "bonjwa."


It's true, but this isn't another one of those annoying HAY GAIS BISU IS BONJWA HERS WHYYY
Sullifam
StorrZerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States13919 Posts
July 17 2009 12:06 GMT
#67
On July 17 2009 20:20 ghostWriter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2009 13:16 simfarm wrote:
I really wish we didn't misuse "bonjwa."


It's true, but this isn't another one of those annoying HAY GAIS BISU IS BONJWA HERS WHYYY



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