EPTI heard absolutely great things about the Razer Salmosa and I was all set to buy it. Then, unfortunately, I read about the Asian edition. Now I have another choice to make. I'm not Asian, but my hands are pretty small for being in the U.S. (about 18 cm or 7 inches from the wrist to the tip of the middle finger). Which one would better suit my purposes?
Razer Salmosa - Normal or Asian Edition?
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Silverhorde
United States32 Posts
I heard absolutely great things about the Razer Salmosa and I was all set to buy it. Then, unfortunately, I read about the Asian edition. Now I have another choice to make. I'm not Asian, but my hands are pretty small for being in the U.S. (about 18 cm or 7 inches from the wrist to the tip of the middle finger). Which one would better suit my purposes? | ||
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writer22816
United States5775 Posts
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grobo
Japan6199 Posts
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StorrZerg
United States13919 Posts
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Silverhorde
United States32 Posts
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GoSu
Korea (South)1773 Posts
![[image loading]](http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/2422/razersalmosakoreaeditio.jpg) I advice you the Salmosa Korean Progaming Edition. I have that at home it's a pretty good mouse. She was created for SC and NaDa commented that. I am using a Krait often because I used to play with that (I didn't have the chance to get a Logitech Optical Mouse) | ||
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sk`
Japan442 Posts
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ghermination
United States2851 Posts
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zgl
United States1055 Posts
On July 07 2009 23:41 ghermination wrote: Just because you have small hands, Smaller =/= better. A larger mouse would be fine if the control was better/smoother. The two mice have same sensor. I would say go for the larger one unless the weight among the two is the same, because weight is definately important when it comes to mouse accuracy. By the same token, heavier =/= better. Ultimately, it is up to your preference ... but RTS players tend to favor smaller mice. | ||
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Ancestral
United States3230 Posts
Okay, maybe lighter isn't better, but for me it is. I hate the feel of heavy mice, it's like having a very heavy woman on top of you in bed. I don't mind it, but > 120kg is really pushing it. | ||
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epicdoom
United States489 Posts
On July 07 2009 23:22 GoSu wrote: I advice you the Salmosa Korean Progaming Edition. I have that at home it's a pretty good mouse. She was created for SC and NaDa commented that. I am using a Krait often because I used to play with that (I didn't have the chance to get a Logitech Optical Mouse) HOLY where can i get a hold of this! | ||
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stafu
Australia1196 Posts
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ffswowsucks
Greece2297 Posts
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Zurles
United Kingdom1659 Posts
and i wanted the asian edition but i bought the normal one and it's basically perfect, it's like the size of the mini optical | ||
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Silverhorde
United States32 Posts
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Silverhorde
United States32 Posts
Thanks, everyone. | ||
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lokiM
United States3407 Posts
but thats the only progamer i know and he plays war3 | ||
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Ziph
Netherlands970 Posts
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unknown.sam
Philippines2701 Posts
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sudo.era
United States300 Posts
On July 08 2009 22:21 unknown.sam wrote: how much does one of those salmosas cost in USD?? I got one for $15 on ebay, coming in the mail today. They're $30 retail at the cheapest(search google products) | ||
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Silverhorde
United States32 Posts
Also, what settings do people recommend? I'm on 800DPI (for SC, 1800 normally) and 500Hz polling rate. My software sensitivity is half-way up (no acceleration), but that's hard to judge for most people since I run Linux, not Windows. | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
On July 14 2009 09:58 Silverhorde wrote: So my U.S. Salmosa came in today, and it's very nice. It's really not that much smaller than my Logitech LX3, but I can certainly do the fingertip grip as described here: http://www2.razerzone.com/MouseGuide/html/fingertipgrip.php . In fact, the proportions are similar between my hand and the picture, and I have 18.5cm hands from base to tip of middle finger. It seems right but will take some getting used to. Hope this helps someone. Also, what settings do people recommend? I'm on 800DPI (for SC, 1800 normally) and 500Hz polling rate. My software sensitivity is half-way up (no acceleration), but that's hard to judge for most people since I run Linux, not Windows. whatever's comfortable for you... | ||
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ActualSteve
United States627 Posts
was thinking the same thing | ||
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iMate
Canada263 Posts
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abrasion
Australia722 Posts
Can confirm the Salmosa mini asian is tiny. TINY I can't emphasize just how small this mouse is and I consistently complain about mice being too big! It makes the regular Salmosa look large and it's almost difficult to hold in your hand, you can 'lose' the mouse if you take your hand off, hit a key on the keyboard and go back to find it. http://members.iinet.net.au/~scottylans/salmosamini1.jpg http://members.iinet.net.au/~scottylans/salmosamini2.jpg http://members.iinet.net.au/~scottylans/salmosamini3.jpg http://members.iinet.net.au/~scottylans/salmosamini4.jpg I honestly think it might be too small even for asian hands. I've got stubby little fingers and this mouse is small. I'd say read overskys mouse guide and stick with the regular Salmosa. Hope this helps someone - welcome to PM for more info or pics if need be. | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
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RebirthOfLeGenD
USA5860 Posts
Big ass mouse with 4000 DPI. | ||
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TurbulentTurtle
Canada230 Posts
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abrasion
Australia722 Posts
Why would I want it to taper down at the left and right like that? It looks uncomfortable and less surface area for fingers to rest. | ||
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diehilde
Germany1596 Posts
On April 14 2010 21:46 abrasion wrote: I just did a google image search of the abyssus and I know I'm going to come off as some disgruntled guy who didn't get the new thing but the Salmosa (regular) looks better to me. Why would I want it to taper down at the left and right like that? It looks uncomfortable and less surface area for fingers to rest. cus its got a cool glowing razer icon! na honestly, its basically the same. The main difference in terms of actual play is the feel, its got a nice rubber surface that just feels smoother than the plastic surface of the salmosa. the surface area of the buttons is just fine for me, but i got pretty long and slim fingers. basically you just gotta go to a store and hold both mice in your hand which is what I did. | ||
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nodq
Germany123 Posts
On April 14 2010 21:36 diehilde wrote: ok now that its been bumped... I own an abyssus (basically the successor of the salmosa, pretty much same weight and shape) and a salmosa asia edition. I played for one day with the salmose asia and then went back to the abyssus. Small is good, but at some point its over the top. The asian salmosa is about as big as a laptop mouse, so if you prefer playing with a laptop mouse it might be good for you. Ive also an Abyssus Mouse from Razer. (very nice for RTS imho!) but i ordered the Asia Edition of the Salmosa on ebay today (new). Just 15 eur. I want to know how tiny it is and im a Mouse freak i buy every Mouse i like and can get. Its like a Hobby, lol.I love Mice! Im exited to see which mouse performs better, abyssus or salmosa asia for StarCraft2. ps: This Mouse is THE Mouse everyone wanna have! :D greets | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
If your hands are too big, as mine have become, you can buy a regular Salmosa (I did that and it really is a very good, pretty cheap, little mouse) which is basically Razer's version of a Logitech Optical. Good, cheap, light and durable. So either of them is good. So, it's defined by your hand size. (Pro edition Razer is really very small compared to a normal mouse btw, so be sure to check the dimensions) EDIT: Oh it's an old thread....why do people do this.. | ||
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Anomarad
Canada565 Posts
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nodq
Germany123 Posts
On August 22 2010 08:05 Anomarad wrote: It all depends on your grip, salmosa is pretty much a claw grip only mouse. salmosa asia edition claw grip only? or the eu/us version? But i could imagine that the asia edition is that small that you only can use clawgrip, and not fingertip. ps. because its old doesnt mean it should never ever be talked about, or? greets | ||
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Blind
United States2528 Posts
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Xma
United States147 Posts
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nodq
Germany123 Posts
On August 22 2010 08:17 Blind wrote: Where can you get the Asian version? I bought the regular one and it was slightly too big. I ended up going back to my mini optical. But the low dpi on the mini optical doesn't work too well for sc2. I have my mouse sensitivity on max both in Windows and SC2 and it still feels slow. Hmm search for mouse sensitivity here on TL and/or on ESReality.com (google) you should never ever make the windows mous sens above 6/11 or below. You will have skipping like hell then. If your Mouse is to slow, yeh, get one with higher DPI, but get one, where you know that it does not have any tracking issues on highest DPI etc. Asia Version of salmosa i got it from ebay germany some hours ago, new and just 15 EUR,- You can get a salmosa directly from razerzone.com http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.169419400 But of course its expensive there  greets On August 22 2010 08:25 Xma wrote: what settings do u all use on it, because i have one but hate it cuz feels to slow or fast, unlike my mx518 that i can switch easily with the arrow things.. maybe im just not using it correctly On my Abyssus im using 1800 dpi/1000Hz/50% Mousespeed in SC2. The f*cking Mousespeed in SC2 just changes the Mouse Speed in WINDOWS, which is not very good! Some guy found that out here on TL in the Forum, search for it, if you want. So having 50% in SC2 is a must actually. Hopefully Blizzard will change that in the Future. greets | ||
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On August 22 2010 08:29 nodq wrote: Hmm search for mouse sensitivity here on TL and/or on ESReality.com (google) you should never ever make the windows mous sens above 6/11 or below. You will have skipping like hell then. If your Mouse is to slow, yeh, get one with higher DPI, but get one, where you know that it does not have any tracking issues on highest DPI etc. Asia Version of salmosa i got it from ebay germany some hours ago, new and just 15 EUR,- You can get a salmosa directly from razerzone.com http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.169419400 But of course its expensive there greets On my Abyssus im using 1800 dpi/1000Hz/50% Mousespeed in SC2. The f*cking Mousespeed in SC2 just changes the Mouse Speed in WINDOWS, which is not very good! Some guy found that out here on TL in the Forum, search for it, if you want. So having 50% in SC2 is a must actually. Hopefully Blizzard will change that in the Future. greets Do you have an Logitech Mini Optical? If so it would be great if you could take a pic or describe how it and the asia edition compare in size, i've seen a picture but the angle was such that it wasn't easy to tell how much of a size difference there was. | ||
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nodq
Germany123 Posts
On August 22 2010 08:35 sob3k wrote: Do you have an Logitech Mini Optical? If so it would be great if you could take a pic or describe how it and the asia edition compare in size, i've seen a picture but the angle was such that it wasn't easy to tell how much of a size difference there was. I have a DeathAdder, Diamondback, Razer Naga, Abyssus, Soon the Asia Salmosa, Logitech G9, MX500/510 (ive to search it, very old :D) I can do Pictures of these Mice if someone wants it. Maybe a Video, too. Ive just to wait for the Salmosa Asia Edition then. I was never interested in buying a LMO actually. But very much are using it, i guess it was the best mouse some years ago, and still is especially for SC1i guess. greets | ||
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Hectic
Australia159 Posts
ANY HANDS can use the small one. If you think your hands are too big, it's because you dont understand fingertip grip. Liftoff is not even an issue for starcraft because you shouldn't be lifting off: If you watch pro gamers play, they set their sensitivity so they dont need to move the mouse more than 1-2 inches on the mouse pad to go from the middle of the screen to the side. | ||
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nodq
Germany123 Posts
On August 22 2010 10:22 Hectic wrote: if you're going to get a salmosa, get a small one, because the big ones are just as big as any oither mouse. ANY HANDS can use the small one. If you think your hands are too big, it's because you dont understand fingertip grip. Liftoff is not even an issue for starcraft because you shouldn't be lifting off: If you watch pro gamers play, they set their sensitivity so they dont need to move the mouse more than 1-2 inches on the mouse pad to go from the middle of the screen to the side. Yup thats right, for FPS you will never want this, impossible to aim like this :D But i saw some korean pros playing SC1 and they used a very LOW sens, so they had to lift of the mouse pretty often. oki you are more accurate with lower sens. Hmm some like it like this and others the other way. greets | ||
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Prozen
United States338 Posts
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nodq
Germany123 Posts
On August 22 2010 11:19 Prozen wrote: I'm looking into buying the Abyssus/Salmosa, would you guys recommend the Abyssus over the Salmosa? From what I know, the Abyssus DPI levels range from 450/1800/3600 while the Salmosa ranges from 800/1800? Is 1800 useful in Brood War? Though I might need the extra high DPI since my 800 DPI LMO was too slow in Window Mode 2x. The AByssus is great, you cant do anything wrong here. For such a littel Price, its a great mouse. But makes some problems with some Mousepads (steelseries etc.) be sure to check that (google esreality, and teamliquid) Salmosa is great too, but has DriftControl, Abyssus has not. greets | ||
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MiyaviTeddy
Canada697 Posts
After using the Salmosa for nearly a good month, I have to say this mouse is great for StarCraft. Like really good. | ||
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ninjafetus
United States231 Posts
On August 22 2010 11:19 Prozen wrote: I'm looking into buying the Abyssus/Salmosa, would you guys recommend the Abyssus over the Salmosa? From what I know, the Abyssus DPI levels range from 450/1800/3600 while the Salmosa ranges from 800/1800? Is 1800 useful in Brood War? Though I might need the extra high DPI since my 800 DPI LMO was too slow in Window Mode 2x. I actually have both. I got the Salmosa for $5 on a Woot sale one day, and the Abyssus came with my new laptop. :D They basically feel identical. Same shape, same movement, same location of glide pads, etc. The only differences are 1. The Abyssus has a glowing blue logo light, 2. The Salmosa buttons are separate "pieces", and have a end halfway down the mouse you might feel. (compare pics: http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.169419400 http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.169414800 ) 3. The switches on the back are different. Salmosa: 125, 500, or 1000 hz polling rate; 800 or 1800 dpi sensitivity. Abyssus: 125 or 1000 polling rate; 450, 1800, or 3500 dpi. If you like/don't mind the blue, you might as well get the Abyssus for the "extra accuracy" that you won't ever notice. If you can get a Salmosa for cheaper, it'll do just as well. | ||
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TheMute
United States458 Posts
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sob3k
United States7572 Posts
On August 22 2010 15:23 TheMute wrote: I got the Salmosa for $13.37 on woot.com. Love it, works great. How do I know if I have the Asian or American version? Does it matter that there's Nada on the box cover and a lot of korean writing on the side as well as in english? Asian one is very small, smaller than the LMO, American one is much bigger. | ||
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nodq
Germany123 Posts
On August 22 2010 13:49 ninjafetus wrote: I actually have both. I got the Salmosa for $5 on a Woot sale one day, and the Abyssus came with my new laptop. :D They basically feel identical. Same shape, same movement, same location of glide pads, etc. The only differences are 1. The Abyssus has a glowing blue logo light, 2. The Salmosa buttons are separate "pieces", and have a end halfway down the mouse you might feel. (compare pics: http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.169419400 http://store.razerzone.com/store/razerusa/en_US/pd/productID.169414800 ) 3. The switches on the back are different. Salmosa: 125, 500, or 1000 hz polling rate; 800 or 1800 dpi sensitivity. Abyssus: 125 or 1000 polling rate; 450, 1800, or 3500 dpi. If you like/don't mind the blue, you might as well get the Abyssus for the "extra accuracy" that you won't ever notice. If you can get a Salmosa for cheaper, it'll do just as well. The Biggest difference is that salmosa has DriftControl and Abyssus not. Some People don't care about it, but some others hate DC. Actuallly, a Mouse without DC is better. Salmosa has no onboard Memory, so no Option to remove it with a Firmware Upgrade in the Future. And AFAIK the Asia Version of the Salmosa has no 1000Hz polling?! Hmm, i will see if i get my salmosa. greets | ||
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Pulimuli
Sweden2766 Posts
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stafu
Australia1196 Posts
Do you know if it works with a Steelseries 9HD? I also have one of those, but I couldn't find any information regarding it on ESR. | ||
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nodq
Germany123 Posts
On August 22 2010 22:47 stafu wrote: @ nodq: That's the only problem I have with Abyssus — it wouldn't work on my QcK without using weird angles Do you know if it works with a Steelseries 9HD? I also have one of those, but I couldn't find any information regarding it on ESR.im using Roccat Taito, and my abyssus works great on it. Ill soon get a Razer Sphex Pad, hoepfully it will work on that too. Works on: Razer Goliathus SPEED: on mine it jitters on a few spots in VERY SPECIFIC ANGLES but 99% of the time it works perfectly Razer destructor: works Allsop Raindrop XL: Ive heard people say that it works on this, but could more people confirm? Func F30R: works fUnc sUrface Cloth Pad: works Qpad Heaton XL: works Qpad CT: works SteelSeries I-2: skips instantly if addition feet is applied on top of standard ones. otherwise: perfect Everglide Titan Monstermat Black: Minor jittering in certain angles but usually works just fine Roccat Taito: works Corepad Magna Blue: works Does not work: QCK+: cursor jitters like mad and drags to the left in most angles. only works in very specific angles. Corepad C1: Jitters in certain angles Func C-series: Jitters in certain angles Puretrak Talent: Jitters in certain angles Razer Goliathus CONTROL: Jitters in X-axis Qpad UC: Does not work Steelseries SP: Jitters alot Source: http://www.esreality.com/ You could turn your Pad around 45° or 90° for some people it was okay after that, and the jittering was not that hard. | ||
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yomi
United States773 Posts
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Prozen
United States338 Posts
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universalwill
United States654 Posts
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Nao
Poland166 Posts
On August 22 2010 20:23 nodq wrote: The Biggest difference is that salmosa has DriftControl and Abyssus not. Some People don't care about it, but some others hate DC. Actuallly, a Mouse without DC is better. Salmosa has no onboard Memory, so no Option to remove it with a Firmware Upgrade in the Future. And AFAIK the Asia Version of the Salmosa has no 1000Hz polling?! Hmm, i will see if i get my salmosa. greets Polling can be enforced by software if the mouse has no swich. (i have run 1000Hz on MX310 and then logi mini optical for long time) About Abyssus/Salmosa DPI , IFAIK both mouses use the same sensor so DPI really doesn't matter, if you need more DPI just increase sensitivity. On a personal note i love Abyssus, and as a previous Salmosa user i feel that there was an improvement in this new model (lack of enchanced precision or DC, somewheat better slides, no button squeaking) On August 22 2010 22:47 stafu wrote: @ nodq: That's the only problem I have with Abyssus — it wouldn't work on my QcK without using weird angles Do you know if it works with a Steelseries 9HD? I also have one of those, but I couldn't find any information regarding it on ESR.I used Salmosa and use Abyssus on SS QcK mini mousepad and it's working great. | ||
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nodq
Germany123 Posts
On August 24 2010 11:54 Nao wrote: Polling can be enforced by software if the mouse has no swich. (i have run 1000Hz on MX310 and then logi mini optical for long time) About Abyssus/Salmosa DPI , IFAIK both mouses use the same sensor so DPI really doesn't matter, if you need more DPI just increase sensitivity. On a personal note i love Abyssus, and as a previous Salmosa user i feel that there was an improvement in this new model (lack of enchanced precision or DC, somewheat better slides, no button squeaking) I used Salmosa and use Abyssus on SS QcK mini mousepad and it's working great. IF something is different Abyssus to Salmosa then that they do NOT use the same Sensor. Thats the biggest difference at all actually. Salmosa uses the same Sensor as the DA 3G (max 1800 dpi) which is a great Sensor, just the DriftControl sucks. Abyssus uses the newer 3.5G Senser, used in the newer DA for example. And has max. 3500 dpi. And no DriftControl. Thats why its hard to decide... salmosa or abyssus, because DriftControl really sucks for my taste. I recieved my Salmosa Asia Edition today. And i must say, the Shape is the best ive ever had and seen on a RTS Mouse. Its so DAMN small, the abyssus is small, but the asia edition of salmosa is so much smaller than even the Abyssus (lol). But its just great for SC2 imho. But... as i said, the DriftControl really sucks, for my feeling, the Abyssus is more precise than the Salmosa.... but the Quality of the Mouse itself, Buttons etc. seems better on the Salmosa so far. Abyssus feels just cheap compared to the Salmosa. And i dont know why. greets | ||
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