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Artosis *
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States2140 Posts
February 11 2009 01:57 GMT
#1
Everyone knows about the 12 proteams, and that they live in houses together to train. Believe it or not, there are also amateur team houses. These houses are just like pro houses, but for players not on pro teams. They pay money to stay there and practice. Its really quite astounding the depth of StarCraft in Korea. Anyways, I got to follow around the eSTRO coaches while they visited one looking for skill. Its the house run by [Name].

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Gregsen
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Germany667 Posts
February 11 2009 01:58 GMT
#2
wow!!!
Boycott Activision whenever, wherever you can.
rA.Hippie
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
Denmark714 Posts
February 11 2009 01:58 GMT
#3
So sweet man. Soooo sweet. Much love and appreciation
I love teh shisha.
zoLo
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States5896 Posts
February 11 2009 02:01 GMT
#4
Oh wow, I just finished watching the week in review on the site and you mentioned this, and here it is hahaha.
Gregsen
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Germany667 Posts
February 11 2009 02:02 GMT
#5
LOL @the puppy part :D
Boycott Activision whenever, wherever you can.
spydernoob
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Canada1066 Posts
February 11 2009 02:14 GMT
#6
lol chobo house
wraiths go pew pew
SayaSP
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Laos5494 Posts
February 11 2009 02:15 GMT
#7
On February 11 2009 11:14 spydernoob wrote:
lol chobo house

Haha i just finished and heard that and lol'd
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littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
February 11 2009 02:17 GMT
#8
On February 11 2009 11:15 SayaSP wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2009 11:14 spydernoob wrote:
lol chobo house

Haha i just finished and heard that and lol'd

sad for them nobody made it
Entusman #12
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
February 11 2009 02:23 GMT
#9
WOAHAHHAHA lRJL:KDS

Kudos to artosis.
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OneOther
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States10774 Posts
February 11 2009 02:31 GMT
#10
Ahh this was great. Thanks a lot Artosis!
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
February 11 2009 02:37 GMT
#11
LOL Hygiene and Peanut Butter ftw!!

Interesting to see the depth of Starcraft in Korea. By the way is the $240 to live there as well, or is it just to play there?
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Kennelie
Profile Joined December 2007
United States2296 Posts
February 11 2009 02:38 GMT
#12
On February 11 2009 11:14 spydernoob wrote:
lol chobo house


Yea...I watched it and was like "WOW They pay to be in a house with other chobo's" Then I read this LOL!!

Actually they seem determined to make it to be doing what they are doing.
ya had ya shot kid!
Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1865 Posts
February 11 2009 02:40 GMT
#13
Man feel bad for those guys = X
Really seems like some of them would be good enough to go B-team, but I guess you can only take the best.
Writerman what
BanZu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3329 Posts
February 11 2009 02:55 GMT
#14
I wonder how much convincing it took to get their parents to pay $2xx a month to play SC there...
Sun Tzu once said, "Defiler becomes useless at the presences of a vessel."
G0dly
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States450 Posts
February 11 2009 02:57 GMT
#15
Really makes you appreciate how much work it takes for pros to get on even the A team...you gotta work your way up so far up. Even progamers who play televised games and lose badly still had to work so hard to get where they are, only to end up losing at the highest level of play.
The Emperor - The Genius - The Cheater - The Maestro
Kacas
Profile Joined July 2003
Brazil3143 Posts
February 11 2009 03:00 GMT
#16
puppy is cutee
I Love Hyori Lee =* icq: 41760400 / msn: kayen_chn at hotm
hazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom570 Posts
February 11 2009 03:01 GMT
#17
is there a way to download this? i cant play the videos for some reason
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
February 11 2009 03:03 GMT
#18
Awesome Video, sad that no one got picked up though.

I also agree that playing iccup during Korean times is x100 harder than US times, even at lower levels.
#1 Terran hater
G0dly
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States450 Posts
February 11 2009 03:04 GMT
#19
On February 11 2009 12:01 Hazz wrote:
is there a way to download this? i cant play the videos for some reason

try IE, might help, if you're on firefox...
The Emperor - The Genius - The Cheater - The Maestro
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
February 11 2009 03:05 GMT
#20
any chance you know what exactly the estro coaches were looking for/how they determined the players potential etc.
Entusman #12
IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32275 Posts
February 11 2009 03:06 GMT
#21
LITTLE JINSOO~
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32275 Posts
February 11 2009 03:06 GMT
#22
hahah so cute
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CTStalker
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Canada9720 Posts
February 11 2009 03:13 GMT
#23
t_t chobo house
By the way, my name is Funk. I am not of your world
Jonteman
Profile Joined November 2004
Sweden644 Posts
February 11 2009 03:17 GMT
#24
The creators of iccup must feel proud
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
February 11 2009 03:18 GMT
#25
Isn't allin play very subjective?
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
EGMachine
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
United States1643 Posts
February 11 2009 03:20 GMT
#26
rofl, dan so amazing
I'm like, the coolest
Aux1
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States780 Posts
February 11 2009 03:20 GMT
#27
On February 11 2009 12:03 Highways wrote:
Awesome Video, sad that no one got picked up though.

I also agree that playing iccup during Korean times is x100 harder than US times, even at lower levels.

Most definitely, there are a ton of foreign players at b/b- level who i think would struggle at c-/c if they played during hours of high korean activity
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2801 Posts
February 11 2009 03:27 GMT
#28
dude i swear that if id been korean i would be there............. T_T
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 11 2009 03:31 GMT
#29
On February 11 2009 12:18 Shauni wrote:
Isn't allin play very subjective?

only to people who dont understand the game
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Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
February 11 2009 03:31 GMT
#30
Awesome!
Atrioc
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1865 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-11 03:38:01
February 11 2009 03:37 GMT
#31
Also: It makes you really really really appreciate just how good players like Flash, Jaedong, and Bisu are to not only beat but consistently stay ahead of other a-team players, who consistently beat b-team members who would consistently beat these [NamE] clan guys (depsite practicing 11+ hours a day) who could take on any top foreigners (excluding maybe idra/nony who have had b-team practice) who could take on any B level dudes, who could rape all the best people I know who in turn rape me.

This is a fucking ridicolous amount of depth that is unheard of in any other game. With the amount of practice that those NamE clan guys get they could easily be among the best in the world at any other video game. (For comparison: Famous/top FPS gamer Fatal1ty says he practices about 2-4 hours a day), but instead they just get raped by b-team members who are even better.



Writerman what
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25981 Posts
February 11 2009 03:43 GMT
#32
On February 11 2009 12:37 Atrioc wrote:
This is a fucking ridicolous amount of depth that is unheard of in any other game.
I was with you until this point. Depth like this is found in many games. Third Strike would be a good example.
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Elric
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom1327 Posts
February 11 2009 03:46 GMT
#33
WOW. So weird. I really wonder how those guys can get the money to pay the monthly rent/fee. I assume from their parents.. but.. Korean parents giving money for their kid to play games all day with a slim chance of joining a pro team (and then an even slimmer chance of getting to the A team and anywhere from there) is unfathomable for me.

Also, Artosis' 'annyeong haseyo's are awesome :D

I love the start of the clip where it looks like a scene straight from a thriller. Dodgy looking guy with a tea-cosy talking to a camera.. check....dark underground parking lot...check... black van with people shuffling in and out of it... check... smoking, brooding leader figure in background...
Carnivorous Sheep
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Baa?21243 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-11 03:52:53
February 11 2009 03:51 GMT
#34
That was a very interesting video, nice. Thanks SCforAll and Artosis!

(Lol @ "They're all really surprised to see a white guy")
TranslatorBaa!
emperorchampion
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada9496 Posts
February 11 2009 03:54 GMT
#35
On February 11 2009 12:46 Elric wrote:
WOW. So weird. I really wonder how those guys can get the money to pay the monthly rent/fee. I assume from their parents.. but.. Korean parents giving money for their kid to play games all day with a slim chance of joining a pro team (and then an even slimmer chance of getting to the A team and anywhere from there) is unfathomable for me.

Also, Artosis' 'annyeong haseyo's are awesome :D

I love the start of the clip where it looks like a scene straight from a thriller. Dodgy looking guy with a tea-cosy talking to a camera.. check....dark underground parking lot...check... black van with people shuffling in and out of it... check... smoking, brooding leader figure in background...


You raise a good point, I guess they are occupied 11/24 hrs. I was thinking $240/month to play SC!!! That is an unbeatable deal!! But I guess if you have no time to work then it would either be up to the parents or you would take out a loan.
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Ingenol
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States1328 Posts
February 11 2009 03:56 GMT
#36
Haha, seriously. When he said $240/month I was thinking wow that's reasonable. I guess you're sleeping in a tiny little bunk-bedded room with a bunch of smelly gamers.
zobz
Profile Joined November 2005
Canada2175 Posts
February 11 2009 03:58 GMT
#37
That does add depth to my understanding and appretiation. And was pretty entertaining too
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Disregard
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
China10252 Posts
February 11 2009 04:04 GMT
#38
AWESOME DOG!!!
"If I had to take a drug in order to be free, I'm screwed. Freedom exists in the mind, otherwise it doesn't exist."
DalfiusWL
Profile Joined January 2009
New Zealand47 Posts
February 11 2009 04:06 GMT
#39
that is awesome artosis! Thank you so much for takeing the time to do these things for us :D you rock!!!
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
February 11 2009 04:11 GMT
#40
On February 11 2009 11:37 emperorchampion wrote:
LOL Hygiene and Peanut Butter ftw!!

Interesting to see the depth of Starcraft in Korea. By the way is the $240 to live there as well, or is it just to play there?

You pay to live there. Otherwise, you can just go to a PC bang instead of paying $240 a month just to play online.
4.0 GPA = A rank 5.0 GPA = Olympic --------- Bisu, Best, Fantasy. i ♥ oov. They can get in my BoxeR anyday.
JWD
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States12607 Posts
February 11 2009 04:15 GMT
#41
god...the skill in that room....

A- = chobo? no WAY lol
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
February 11 2009 04:18 GMT
#42
kind of confuses me, Idra got 50% against estr0's b team to get his courage license, and has since gone to CJ, presumably improving. His ICCUP account that was leaked was A-. Why is Idra at the same level- on iccup mind you but hey- as people he should wipe the floor with?
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 11 2009 04:23 GMT
#43
there are low level cj a teamers who hit a wall at A-
theres more that determines rank than just skill
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KizZBG
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
u gotta skate8152 Posts
February 11 2009 05:49 GMT
#44
loool who was 'the little estro junsu'?
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RyanS
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United States620 Posts
February 11 2009 05:59 GMT
#45
So much pressure for these guys with the coaches standing behind them watching them play! I get nervous when people in the library watch me doing homework!

I would pay to live there just for the puppy.
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
February 11 2009 06:02 GMT
#46
cool nice job dan <3
stack
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Canada348 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-11 06:38:22
February 11 2009 06:13 GMT
#47
yo artosis just began watching...damn its cool to me that you chill with estro's head coach.

ps just saw the osl behind the scenes: dont know how you didnt get giddy seeing the players,
I personally did from watching it
life is short, dont F it up
The Storyteller
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
Singapore2486 Posts
February 11 2009 06:18 GMT
#48
Paying money to live and train with good people is a common practice with lots of sports. There are Muay Thai camps in Thailand that operate along the same principles.
hazz
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom570 Posts
February 11 2009 06:32 GMT
#49
are allins at the training house just proxy 2 gate in centre, BBS 4pool and 3hatch mass ling? seems kind of vague
lIlIlIlIlIlI
Profile Blog Joined October 2004
Korea (South)3851 Posts
February 11 2009 06:56 GMT
#50
--- Nuked ---
iNcontroL *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
USA29055 Posts
February 11 2009 06:59 GMT
#51
is that supposed to be funny? Serious? I don't even know what to make of it.. but whatever it is just stop please.
stack
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
Canada348 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-11 08:05:23
February 11 2009 07:13 GMT
#52
after watching the nony courage vid I am sad he left the team. I only realized now how cool it was he was there.

dude I only now discovered these vids on scforall.com and they are awesome. You guys should promote it more so people like me could get into it.
life is short, dont F it up
radar14
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States1437 Posts
February 11 2009 07:18 GMT
#53
agreed with inc

and since I'm pretty sure you're not joking and are just acting like a tool:

a goddamn progamer is an active member of our community, sharing anecdotes, insight, strategies.

if for some unimaginable reason you don't appreciate that, then at the very least don't start acting like a parole officer
impatience is a virtue
SkepTicAL
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Canada872 Posts
February 11 2009 07:21 GMT
#54
On February 11 2009 15:56 randomKo_Orean wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2009 13:23 IdrA wrote:
there are low level cj a teamers who hit a wall at A-
theres more that determines rank than just skill

The reason why you didnt get past courage is because you are still on TL when you should be practicing

Stick to making childish user names... jokes aren't your thing
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51476 Posts
February 11 2009 07:25 GMT
#55
i love the hygeine comments by artosis hahaha
"he cares about hygeine, and loves peanut butter, even though he is protoss he is a cool person in my book"
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 11 2009 07:51 GMT
#56
On February 11 2009 16:18 radar14 wrote:
agreed with inc

and since I'm pretty sure you're not joking and are just acting like a tool:

a goddamn progamer is an active member of our community, sharing anecdotes, insight, strategies.

if for some unimaginable reason you don't appreciate that, then at the very least don't start acting like a parole officer

nono its ok
im sure he works his job 168 hours a week
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Scooge
Profile Joined December 2008
Iceland144 Posts
February 11 2009 08:40 GMT
#57
On February 11 2009 16:18 radar14 wrote:
agreed with inc

and since I'm pretty sure you're not joking and are just acting like a tool:

a goddamn progamer is an active member of our community, sharing anecdotes, insight, strategies.

if for some unimaginable reason you don't appreciate that, then at the very least don't start acting like a parole officer


Woah, calm down there. Have you read Idra's posts? The only he shares is his incredible nerd rage. It seems his only goal on this forum is to fit as much condescending and rudeness into two or three words as possible and he gets a pass because he's a mediocre player (relatively) on a pro team.

Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
February 11 2009 09:11 GMT
#58
On February 11 2009 12:20 Aux1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2009 12:03 Highways wrote:
Awesome Video, sad that no one got picked up though.

I also agree that playing iccup during Korean times is x100 harder than US times, even at lower levels.

Most definitely, there are a ton of foreign players at b/b- level who i think would struggle at c-/c if they played during hours of high korean activity

lol...
You realize those people who are so good at C- or C will only be there for 10 games max? Those Koreans who are stuck at C- and C would not be some B+ gosus in foreign prime time. Sure the level of skill increases in Korean hours, but nowhere remotely to what you are suggesting.
God Hates a Coward
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 11 2009 09:16 GMT
#59
i dunno there is a pretty massive difference between the few foreigners at B+ and the koreans there
even the chinese at A- and the koreans there

B to C is stretching it a bit, but not by that much.
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Oystein
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Norway1602 Posts
February 11 2009 10:53 GMT
#60
On February 11 2009 18:16 IdrA wrote:
i dunno there is a pretty massive difference between the few foreigners at B+ and the koreans there
even the chinese at A- and the koreans there

B to C is stretching it a bit, but not by that much.

Well this might hold true for the higher ranks like an A ranked foreigner in foreign times might be closer to B in Korean times, however a C ranked Korean is still shit compared to a B ranked foreigner.
God Hates a Coward
s.a.y
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Croatia3840 Posts
February 11 2009 11:15 GMT
#61
has anybody found there IDs on iccup?

i found similar ones, not sure tho:

http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/jisun.html
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/chobophs.html
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/choiddong.html
I am not good with quotes
ProTech_MediC
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States498 Posts
February 11 2009 11:23 GMT
#62
Imagine how much we still don't know about progaming in Korea. Every video from Artosis is something brand new for the foreign community thats probably been around for 5+ years.

I feel noob.
MC Fighting!~
motbob
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States12546 Posts
February 11 2009 11:27 GMT
#63
Oh my god, people just love antagonizing Idra...
ModeratorGood content always wins.
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
February 11 2009 11:46 GMT
#64
dammm this is awsome. great job man
NarutO
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
Germany18839 Posts
February 11 2009 11:50 GMT
#65
Hahaha you can see my friend on the iccup channel XD
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littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-11 14:06:39
February 11 2009 13:57 GMT
#66
On February 11 2009 20:15 s.a.y wrote:
has anybody found there IDs on iccup?

i found similar ones, not sure tho:

http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/jisun.html
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/chobophs.html
http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/gamingprofile/choiddong.html

?
theres no question about it, he said their ids were j.arashi (the terran player) and the zerg that they came to see was choiddong
On February 11 2009 18:16 IdrA wrote:
i dunno there is a pretty massive difference between the few foreigners at B+ and the koreans there
even the chinese at A- and the koreans there

B to C is stretching it a bit, but not by that much.

whats the big difference between chinese and koreans at A-?
lag? F91 still plays almost only koreans though (http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/matchlist/439507/1x1.html) so whats he missing?
p.s. i wonder if any of the guys in that [Name] house is ShowTime[Name] from the recent kor vs china showmatch
Entusman #12
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
February 11 2009 14:55 GMT
#67
showtime[name] is A on iccup and definately good enough to be in a proteam so i doubt it
Team Liquid
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 11 2009 15:07 GMT
#68
On February 11 2009 22:57 littlechava wrote:

Show nested quote +
On February 11 2009 18:16 IdrA wrote:
i dunno there is a pretty massive difference between the few foreigners at B+ and the koreans there
even the chinese at A- and the koreans there

B to C is stretching it a bit, but not by that much.

whats the big difference between chinese and koreans at A-?
lag? F91 still plays almost only koreans though (http://www.iccup.com/starcraft/matchlist/439507/1x1.html) so whats he missing?
p.s. i wonder if any of the guys in that [Name] house is ShowTime[Name] from the recent kor vs china showmatch

nah its difference in skill
in f91s case its because he plays nonstandard styles, at B+/A- the koreans are all cookie cutter brainless macro machine types, so nonstandard stuff really fucks with them.
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TurboMaN
Profile Joined October 2005
Germany925 Posts
February 11 2009 17:05 GMT
#69
Nice Vid, i hope we'll see some more stuff of the Korean scene.
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
6985 Posts
February 11 2009 17:16 GMT
#70
This and the Nony courage video are the best videos on SCForAll, I really think you should use every opportunity to film events like this, its something we foreigners get information of so rarely.

Thanks~
Piy
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Scotland3152 Posts
February 11 2009 17:25 GMT
#71
part of me thinks its quite sad. But the rest admires the dedication of these kids.
My. Copy. Is. Here.
dream-_-
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1857 Posts
February 11 2009 17:39 GMT
#72
On February 11 2009 12:43 Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2009 12:37 Atrioc wrote:
This is a fucking ridicolous amount of depth that is unheard of in any other game.
I was with you until this point. Depth like this is found in many games. Third Strike would be a good example.


I don't think you understand what he is saying here. The difference between the lowest and highest levels in SC is the largest of any game ever. No other game even comes close.
dream-_-
Profile Blog Joined April 2006
United States1857 Posts
February 11 2009 17:47 GMT
#73
Ehh there is a slight difference in skill but I think people are overplaying it quite a bit. C is C, really not too much difference between time zones here, once you start getting to B you notice it a little bit but even then it is barely there and a lot of how hard your games are for the day has to do with luck at that level, not time zone.
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-11 17:51:43
February 11 2009 17:51 GMT
#74
to be honest at B+/A- your only option are koreans, except for a few exceptions.. so timezones dont affect that too much right now.

but for some reason the foreigners at that lvl are still worse than most of the koreans, there's the occasional terrible korean in there too though.
Team Liquid
MuR)Ernu
Profile Joined September 2008
Finland768 Posts
February 11 2009 18:59 GMT
#75
thats cool :o
Maybe some of them aren't in school anymore, and they have been working and collecting money, then onec they have enough, just pay for a couple of months there :o
MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
February 11 2009 21:15 GMT
#76
No all in builds haha, great way to train
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9104 Posts
February 11 2009 22:19 GMT
#77
Nice video, very cute puppy.
benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
February 11 2009 22:22 GMT
#78
so is this what rekrul is gonna do with his sc2 team?
wash uffitizi, drive me to firenze
Realpenguin
Profile Joined December 2006
8253 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-11 22:56:22
February 11 2009 22:55 GMT
#79
hahahaha that puppy is so awesome

i love Artosis for bringing us content like this
<Wolfpox> i remember when MVP beat that one guy, and everyone was like 'whoa' except that penguin dude.
Snare
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Trinidad/Tobago129 Posts
February 11 2009 23:09 GMT
#80
great vod ! I'd love to see beyond clan house !
Something that leads one into a place or situation from which escape is difficult. 이제동 <3
st3f
Profile Joined January 2008
Canada168 Posts
February 11 2009 23:13 GMT
#81
Just wondering, what;s Artosis's occupation @ the eStro house?
Wakin and bakin - Wiz
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
February 11 2009 23:21 GMT
#82
I loved it. I enjoyed the puppytime breaks and the personality you brought to it. The unprofessionalism and jokes make it awesome. Thanks for the insight into how these things work!
♥ I used to lasso the shit out of your tournaments =( ♥ | Much is my hero. | zizi yO~ | Be Nice, TL.
liger13
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States1060 Posts
February 11 2009 23:43 GMT
#83
sweet vid... you should do one again a little later so we can see the puppy grow up
I feel like pwning noobs
DanceCommander
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States1808 Posts
February 12 2009 00:01 GMT
#84
hahaha the ending was so depressing. At least they had a cute puppy
Quanticfograw
Profile Blog Joined October 2005
United States2053 Posts
February 12 2009 00:15 GMT
#85
lol cant say i know to many chobos in name.... I think whats really cool is that alot of korean teams do like a yearly meetup. my friend in alive talks about how they have this campground meetup where they play sports and meet each other in person
https://twitter.com/quanticfograw
YPang
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
United States4024 Posts
February 12 2009 00:18 GMT
#86
On February 12 2009 08:13 st3f wrote:
Just wondering, what;s Artosis's occupation @ the eStro house?


im wondering this too
sMi.Gladstone | BW: B high| SC2: gold T_T
talismania
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States2364 Posts
February 12 2009 00:23 GMT
#87
I'm thinking his occupation is to do the kinds of things like this that he's been doing...

(and some commentary duties)
liosama
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
Australia843 Posts
February 12 2009 00:31 GMT
#88
lmfao @ puppy
Free Palestine
FlameD[TOp]
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada247 Posts
February 12 2009 00:38 GMT
#89
My perspective... which of course everyone always hates, is negative on this.. I'm aware that clans like nameclan and shieldclan have their academies but I had no idea how they worked. After watching the video I thought it was one of the more pathetic things I've ever seen. Cramped in a small room, which looks like some Loft suitable for about 20 people, Those gamers play game after game for 12 hours. I think it's pathetic, either they're good enough or not to go pro, I think it's pretty stupid practicing that much. I've played many Name members all who are very good, but I can tell there's a big difference between the average Name clan member(Even the better ones who I BELIEVE(not 100% Sure if they live in "academy") and a progamer...

Hence, I think their "academy" is worthless...
Oh ignore the terrible grammar skills ;D
Ziph
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands970 Posts
February 12 2009 00:48 GMT
#90
I wonder are there any requirements too join such a house? Or can every D- player go their as long as they pay ?
Starcraft 2 - Beta
NeverGG *
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United Kingdom5399 Posts
February 12 2009 00:54 GMT
#91
That puppy is so damn adorable. You should have stolen it and made it the eSTRO puppy.
우리 행운의 모양은 여러개지만 행복의 모양은 하나
zulu_nation8
Profile Blog Joined May 2005
China26351 Posts
February 12 2009 01:12 GMT
#92
Hirai[name] good toss never knew he was clan master
ZidaneTribal
Profile Joined September 2007
United States2800 Posts
February 12 2009 01:12 GMT
#93
damn nice
fuck lag
Senx
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Sweden5901 Posts
February 12 2009 01:14 GMT
#94
That puppy is MINE!!, I'MA COME AT IT LIKE A SPIDERMONKEY!!!
"trash micro but win - its marine" MC commentary during HSC 4
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 12 2009 01:19 GMT
#95
On February 12 2009 09:54 NeverGG wrote:
That puppy is so damn adorable. You should have stolen it and made it the eSTRO puppy.

itd be dead within a week
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lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
February 12 2009 01:22 GMT
#96
^ haha
You can't fight the feeling.
shafiru
Profile Joined January 2009
111 Posts
February 12 2009 02:17 GMT
#97
On February 12 2009 10:19 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2009 09:54 NeverGG wrote:
That puppy is so damn adorable. You should have stolen it and made it the eSTRO puppy.

itd be dead within a week

Hungry hungry Koreans.......



"im hoping i dont get jumped on again for sounding a tad racist


its a joke guys

relax

"


bengaliToss ftw...
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
February 12 2009 02:33 GMT
#98
I am really enjoying your videos as of late starting with the Nony @ courage video.
#1 Kwanro Fan
GhostKorean
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2330 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-12 02:48:42
February 12 2009 02:48 GMT
#99
Choiddong means Choi Shit (ddong = shit) lol 최똥
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
February 12 2009 02:49 GMT
#100
On February 12 2009 09:38 FlameD[TOp] wrote:
My perspective... which of course everyone always hates, is negative on this.. I'm aware that clans like nameclan and shieldclan have their academies but I had no idea how they worked. After watching the video I thought it was one of the more pathetic things I've ever seen. Cramped in a small room, which looks like some Loft suitable for about 20 people, Those gamers play game after game for 12 hours. I think it's pathetic, either they're good enough or not to go pro, I think it's pretty stupid practicing that much. I've played many Name members all who are very good, but I can tell there's a big difference between the average Name clan member(Even the better ones who I BELIEVE(not 100% Sure if they live in "academy") and a progamer...

Hence, I think their "academy" is worthless...
Oh ignore the terrible grammar skills ;D

Many of the old progamers became progamers through these kind of processes.
Mikilatov
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States3897 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-12 02:59:13
February 12 2009 02:57 GMT
#101
On February 12 2009 09:38 FlameD[TOp] wrote:
My perspective... which of course everyone always hates, is negative on this.. I'm aware that clans like nameclan and shieldclan have their academies but I had no idea how they worked. After watching the video I thought it was one of the more pathetic things I've ever seen. Cramped in a small room, which looks like some Loft suitable for about 20 people, Those gamers play game after game for 12 hours. I think it's pathetic, either they're good enough or not to go pro, I think it's pretty stupid practicing that much. I've played many Name members all who are very good, but I can tell there's a big difference between the average Name clan member(Even the better ones who I BELIEVE(not 100% Sure if they live in "academy") and a progamer...

Hence, I think their "academy" is worthless...
Oh ignore the terrible grammar skills ;D


Are you implying that one shouldn't train to become pro? You don't just come out of the womb a Starcraft pro. What do you think pro players do? They "play game after game for 12 hours in a cramped room." That's how you get good at Starcraft. Korea is good at Starcraft because of things like this. You say nameclan and shieldclan are 'pathetic'. Is Sea pathetic, is Bisu pathetic? They came from Shield clan. Along with many other progamers.
♥ I used to lasso the shit out of your tournaments =( ♥ | Much is my hero. | zizi yO~ | Be Nice, TL.
1a2a3aGG
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
United States225 Posts
February 12 2009 03:04 GMT
#102
WOW! So cool... I wish they had places like that here in the states... $240 us dollars for uncapped sc skill/playtime... ahh the bittersweet-ness of a college education
il0seonpurpose
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Korea (South)5638 Posts
February 12 2009 03:23 GMT
#103
Nice video, thanks. I don't understand what's wrong with all in builds though, if some zerg goes 3 hatch, cant a terran guy try to do some crazy 4 rax build?
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
February 12 2009 03:28 GMT
#104
On February 12 2009 12:23 il0seonpurpose wrote:
Nice video, thanks. I don't understand what's wrong with all in builds though, if some zerg goes 3 hatch, cant a terran guy try to do some crazy 4 rax build?

it was explained in the video
Entusman #12
Ziph
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Netherlands970 Posts
February 12 2009 03:55 GMT
#105
On February 12 2009 09:48 Ziph wrote:
I wonder are there any requirements too join such a house? Or can every D- player go their as long as they pay ?

Does anyone know ?
Starcraft 2 - Beta
FlameD[TOp]
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada247 Posts
February 12 2009 04:04 GMT
#106
On February 12 2009 11:57 Mikilatov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2009 09:38 FlameD[TOp] wrote:
My perspective... which of course everyone always hates, is negative on this.. I'm aware that clans like nameclan and shieldclan have their academies but I had no idea how they worked. After watching the video I thought it was one of the more pathetic things I've ever seen. Cramped in a small room, which looks like some Loft suitable for about 20 people, Those gamers play game after game for 12 hours. I think it's pathetic, either they're good enough or not to go pro, I think it's pretty stupid practicing that much. I've played many Name members all who are very good, but I can tell there's a big difference between the average Name clan member(Even the better ones who I BELIEVE(not 100% Sure if they live in "academy") and a progamer...

Hence, I think their "academy" is worthless...
Oh ignore the terrible grammar skills ;D


Are you implying that one shouldn't train to become pro? You don't just come out of the womb a Starcraft pro. What do you think pro players do? They "play game after game for 12 hours in a cramped room." That's how you get good at Starcraft. Korea is good at Starcraft because of things like this. You say nameclan and shieldclan are 'pathetic'. Is Sea pathetic, is Bisu pathetic? They came from Shield clan. Along with many other progamers.


Those are 2 of many, I feel bad for those who just aren't good enough to make it to the real deal ;(
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
February 12 2009 04:14 GMT
#107
On February 12 2009 12:55 Ziph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2009 09:48 Ziph wrote:
I wonder are there any requirements too join such a house? Or can every D- player go their as long as they pay ?

Does anyone know ?

I'm pretty sure you have to be in the [Name] clan, which means you have to have considerable skill. No teacher wants to tutor a kindergartener calculus.
4.0 GPA = A rank 5.0 GPA = Olympic --------- Bisu, Best, Fantasy. i ♥ oov. They can get in my BoxeR anyday.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 12 2009 04:44 GMT
#108
On February 12 2009 13:04 FlameD[TOp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2009 11:57 Mikilatov wrote:
On February 12 2009 09:38 FlameD[TOp] wrote:
My perspective... which of course everyone always hates, is negative on this.. I'm aware that clans like nameclan and shieldclan have their academies but I had no idea how they worked. After watching the video I thought it was one of the more pathetic things I've ever seen. Cramped in a small room, which looks like some Loft suitable for about 20 people, Those gamers play game after game for 12 hours. I think it's pathetic, either they're good enough or not to go pro, I think it's pretty stupid practicing that much. I've played many Name members all who are very good, but I can tell there's a big difference between the average Name clan member(Even the better ones who I BELIEVE(not 100% Sure if they live in "academy") and a progamer...

Hence, I think their "academy" is worthless...
Oh ignore the terrible grammar skills ;D


Are you implying that one shouldn't train to become pro? You don't just come out of the womb a Starcraft pro. What do you think pro players do? They "play game after game for 12 hours in a cramped room." That's how you get good at Starcraft. Korea is good at Starcraft because of things like this. You say nameclan and shieldclan are 'pathetic'. Is Sea pathetic, is Bisu pathetic? They came from Shield clan. Along with many other progamers.


Those are 2 of many, I feel bad for those who just aren't good enough to make it to the real deal ;(

dont post as if you're an authority on topics you know nothing about.

the vast majority of new progamers come from houses and teams like these. if you want to be a progamer it makes absolute sense to practice like one. sure alot of them arent gonna make it. should no one play high school or college sports since most of them are never gonna play professionally?
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FlameD[TOp]
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada247 Posts
February 12 2009 05:21 GMT
#109
On February 12 2009 13:44 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2009 13:04 FlameD[TOp] wrote:
On February 12 2009 11:57 Mikilatov wrote:
On February 12 2009 09:38 FlameD[TOp] wrote:
My perspective... which of course everyone always hates, is negative on this.. I'm aware that clans like nameclan and shieldclan have their academies but I had no idea how they worked. After watching the video I thought it was one of the more pathetic things I've ever seen. Cramped in a small room, which looks like some Loft suitable for about 20 people, Those gamers play game after game for 12 hours. I think it's pathetic, either they're good enough or not to go pro, I think it's pretty stupid practicing that much. I've played many Name members all who are very good, but I can tell there's a big difference between the average Name clan member(Even the better ones who I BELIEVE(not 100% Sure if they live in "academy") and a progamer...

Hence, I think their "academy" is worthless...
Oh ignore the terrible grammar skills ;D


Are you implying that one shouldn't train to become pro? You don't just come out of the womb a Starcraft pro. What do you think pro players do? They "play game after game for 12 hours in a cramped room." That's how you get good at Starcraft. Korea is good at Starcraft because of things like this. You say nameclan and shieldclan are 'pathetic'. Is Sea pathetic, is Bisu pathetic? They came from Shield clan. Along with many other progamers.


Those are 2 of many, I feel bad for those who just aren't good enough to make it to the real deal ;(

dont post as if you're an authority on topics you know nothing about.

the vast majority of new progamers come from houses and teams like these. if you want to be a progamer it makes absolute sense to practice like one. sure alot of them arent gonna make it. should no one play high school or college sports since most of them are never gonna play professionally?


I don't need to be an authority to say that it's a shame that the ones who don't make it to the professional level have wasted time and money =/
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 12 2009 05:25 GMT
#110
or you could read the rest of my post
did the highschool and college athletes waste their time?
theyre doing something they enjoy, alot. if they fail oh well, they go back to school. hell alot of them continue going to school during this, just staying at the house on breaks and weekends. spending your time doing something you enjoy is not wasting it.
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FlameD[TOp]
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada247 Posts
February 12 2009 05:31 GMT
#111
On February 12 2009 14:25 IdrA wrote:
or you could read the rest of my post
did the highschool and college athletes waste their time?
theyre doing something they enjoy, alot. if they fail oh well, they go back to school. hell alot of them continue going to school during this, just staying at the house on breaks and weekends. spending your time doing something you enjoy is not wasting it.


How could you actually compare this to high-school/college sports -.-''
American Athletes get paid a real salary, even low level professionals, I'm under the impression(could be wrong) that these guys are there all the time, not just on breaks/weekends. My understanding of pro's is what H_Paul_WII explained to me, these people practice 11hours a day and they end up at the "semi-pro" level for years then they amount to nothing in the real world =/ Which is also why Paul didn't pursue his gaming because he said there's no future for those who aren't at the top.

Now if people enter these houses as a part time thing I can understand it... but at full time it seems like a waste if they don't reach the top.
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
February 12 2009 05:38 GMT
#112
On February 12 2009 14:31 FlameD[TOp] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2009 14:25 IdrA wrote:
or you could read the rest of my post
did the highschool and college athletes waste their time?
theyre doing something they enjoy, alot. if they fail oh well, they go back to school. hell alot of them continue going to school during this, just staying at the house on breaks and weekends. spending your time doing something you enjoy is not wasting it.


How could you actually compare this to high-school/college sports -.-''
American Athletes get paid a real salary, even low level professionals, I'm under the impression(could be wrong) that these guys are there all the time, not just on breaks/weekends. My understanding of pro's is what H_Paul_WII explained to me, these people practice 11hours a day and they end up at the "semi-pro" level for years then they amount to nothing in the real world =/ Which is also why Paul didn't pursue his gaming because he said there's no future for those who aren't at the top.

Now if people enter these houses as a part time thing I can understand it... but at full time it seems like a waste if they don't reach the top.

You definitely live up to your name.
4.0 GPA = A rank 5.0 GPA = Olympic --------- Bisu, Best, Fantasy. i ♥ oov. They can get in my BoxeR anyday.
FlameD[TOp]
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Canada247 Posts
February 12 2009 05:40 GMT
#113
On February 12 2009 14:38 deathgod6 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2009 14:31 FlameD[TOp] wrote:
On February 12 2009 14:25 IdrA wrote:
or you could read the rest of my post
did the highschool and college athletes waste their time?
theyre doing something they enjoy, alot. if they fail oh well, they go back to school. hell alot of them continue going to school during this, just staying at the house on breaks and weekends. spending your time doing something you enjoy is not wasting it.


How could you actually compare this to high-school/college sports -.-''
American Athletes get paid a real salary, even low level professionals, I'm under the impression(could be wrong) that these guys are there all the time, not just on breaks/weekends. My understanding of pro's is what H_Paul_WII explained to me, these people practice 11hours a day and they end up at the "semi-pro" level for years then they amount to nothing in the real world =/ Which is also why Paul didn't pursue his gaming because he said there's no future for those who aren't at the top.

Now if people enter these houses as a part time thing I can understand it... but at full time it seems like a waste if they don't reach the top.

You definitely live up to your name.


I usually have one of these big disputes on tl.net every 4-5 months... I still think my argument is realistic.
IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 12 2009 05:44 GMT
#114
remember what i said
about posting when you dont know what you're talking about
its not a good idea

i know people who live in these, the majority of them still go to school.

how is it not comparable to high school or college sports? yes professionals get paid. high school and college athletes dont, or arent legally allowed to. these guys are not professionals, so they dont get paid. pro gamers do get paid, even the low level ones. at what point is it not comparable?

given your past posts you have a tendency to lie and exaggerate about your connections with koreans. (joined gm yet?) but even if you do know paul, your source of information is someone bitter about attempting progaming and not making it. perhaps not the most objective perspective? ya, alot of them arent gonna make it. so? what has it cost them? time spent playing a game? a couple hundred bucks? the horror! most people spend time and money on their hobbys, most hobbys have far less potential for a future than even the 1 in a million chance at being the next nada.
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Yaqoob
Profile Blog Joined March 2005
Canada3333 Posts
February 12 2009 06:31 GMT
#115
I am sure that most of them enjoy what they do and I haven't yet seen a progamer that has retired and done nothing regret being a progamer in the first place.
김택용 Fighting!
Bosu
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3247 Posts
February 12 2009 06:50 GMT
#116
I know there are thousands upon thousands of high school, college, and semi-pro athletes that don't get scholarships or make much money at all. Probably a MUCH higher % of people that play real sports and "waste" their time than the % of aspiring progamers spending 12+ hours a day in clan houses like these.

I know in the USA there is way too much pressure on kids to go directly to college after finishing high school and finishing in 4 years or feel like a failure. I see no shame spending a year or four having great life experiences or trying to achieve your dreams. I have one more year of college left and am very jealous of what some of my friends did for a year or two after high school instead of going right to school. May be different in Korea though, from what I have heard in asian countries not being completely dedicated to your studies will leave you screwed.
#1 Kwanro Fan
MorningMusume11
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States3490 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-12 07:14:22
February 12 2009 07:13 GMT
#117
On February 12 2009 09:38 FlameD[TOp] wrote:
My perspective... which of course everyone always hates, is negative on this.. I'm aware that clans like nameclan and shieldclan have their academies but I had no idea how they worked. After watching the video I thought it was one of the more pathetic things I've ever seen. Cramped in a small room, which looks like some Loft suitable for about 20 people, Those gamers play game after game for 12 hours. I think it's pathetic, either they're good enough or not to go pro, I think it's pretty stupid practicing that much. I've played many Name members all who are very good, but I can tell there's a big difference between the average Name clan member(Even the better ones who I BELIEVE(not 100% Sure if they live in "academy") and a progamer...

Hence, I think their "academy" is worthless...
Oh ignore the terrible grammar skills ;D


What you gotta realize is even though they might not end up being pro or whatever, you have to see that they care so much about getting good that they'll pay to live in a house and train really hard. On the surface it might seem pathetic, but because of things like this is what makes Koreans really good at things they wanna do.

In the Starcraft sense this is what makes them the best, being almost wreckless in their determination.
IMlemon
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Lithuania296 Posts
February 12 2009 16:24 GMT
#118
On February 12 2009 02:39 dream-_- wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 11 2009 12:43 Chill wrote:
On February 11 2009 12:37 Atrioc wrote:
This is a fucking ridicolous amount of depth that is unheard of in any other game.
I was with you until this point. Depth like this is found in many games. Third Strike would be a good example.


I don't think you understand what he is saying here. The difference between the lowest and highest levels in SC is the largest of any game ever. No other game even comes close.


I pity your ignorance.

Very nice video, and the puppy :O.
My future's so bright, I gotta wear shades.
ZhenMiChan
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Netherlands1181 Posts
February 12 2009 17:02 GMT
#119
Thanks a lot artosis great stuff !!!
Studying Chinese~
infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-12 18:24:51
February 12 2009 18:23 GMT
#120
On February 12 2009 14:44 IdrA wrote:
remember what i said
about posting when you dont know what you're talking about
its not a good idea

i know people who live in these, the majority of them still go to school.

how is it not comparable to high school or college sports? yes professionals get paid. high school and college athletes dont, or arent legally allowed to. these guys are not professionals, so they dont get paid. pro gamers do get paid, even the low level ones. at what point is it not comparable?

given your past posts you have a tendency to lie and exaggerate about your connections with koreans. (joined gm yet?) but even if you do know paul, your source of information is someone bitter about attempting progaming and not making it. perhaps not the most objective perspective? ya, alot of them arent gonna make it. so? what has it cost them? time spent playing a game? a couple hundred bucks? the horror! most people spend time and money on their hobbys, most hobbys have far less potential for a future than even the 1 in a million chance at being the next nada.


Athletes don't train 11 hours a day. It isn't taking up their entire life, so its not comparable at all. Obviously you personally don't like anyone saying its 'sad' or pointless because you are doing it, but really disconnecting yourself from all normal life to play a game every day is pretty pathetic in most peoples eyes, even if there's a very slim chance you could one day get paid to do it.
Nylan
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
United States795 Posts
February 12 2009 19:24 GMT
#121
On February 13 2009 03:23 infinity2k9 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2009 14:44 IdrA wrote:
remember what i said
about posting when you dont know what you're talking about
its not a good idea

i know people who live in these, the majority of them still go to school.

how is it not comparable to high school or college sports? yes professionals get paid. high school and college athletes dont, or arent legally allowed to. these guys are not professionals, so they dont get paid. pro gamers do get paid, even the low level ones. at what point is it not comparable?

given your past posts you have a tendency to lie and exaggerate about your connections with koreans. (joined gm yet?) but even if you do know paul, your source of information is someone bitter about attempting progaming and not making it. perhaps not the most objective perspective? ya, alot of them arent gonna make it. so? what has it cost them? time spent playing a game? a couple hundred bucks? the horror! most people spend time and money on their hobbys, most hobbys have far less potential for a future than even the 1 in a million chance at being the next nada.


Athletes don't train 11 hours a day. It isn't taking up their entire life, so its not comparable at all. Obviously you personally don't like anyone saying its 'sad' or pointless because you are doing it, but really disconnecting yourself from all normal life to play a game every day is pretty pathetic in most peoples eyes, even if there's a very slim chance you could one day get paid to do it.


You know nothing of sports.

Furthermore, the premise that you should never do anything you enjoy unless you're gonna be a pro (which you can't know off the bat anyways) at it or earn lots of money is nothing short of foolish. If everyone had that mentality there would be no human progress.
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emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
February 12 2009 20:02 GMT
#122
I made a coverage about this on WFBRood, including NAME clan informations
http://www.wfbrood.com/xingji/xjnews/xingji_36239.html
Wurzelbrumpft
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Germany471 Posts
February 12 2009 20:50 GMT
#123
lol wtfux with all the people posting *you know nothing* *i pity your ignorance*, and not giving one fucking argument
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infinity2k9
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
United Kingdom2397 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-12 21:09:33
February 12 2009 21:06 GMT
#124
On February 13 2009 04:24 Nylan wrote:
You know nothing of sports.

Furthermore, the premise that you should never do anything you enjoy unless you're gonna be a pro (which you can't know off the bat anyways) at it or earn lots of money is nothing short of foolish. If everyone had that mentality there would be no human progress.


Go ahead, do something you enjoy. But spending your entire waking life doing it is a different matter. If you are going to do that then yes you should expect some reward from that effort.

If you want to believe its some epic quest to become great at Starcraft worth sacrificing your life to pay to live in a tiny house and play it all day then thats pretty sad. Starcraft isnt going to last forever, at least the professional scene. So these young people eventually will have used large periods of their life going towards nothing while others will have carried on with education or whatever. Dont bullshit about human progress we are talking about fucking STARCRAFT.
Xela
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada203 Posts
February 13 2009 06:16 GMT
#125
On February 13 2009 03:23 infinity2k9 wrote:

Athletes don't train 11 hours a day. It isn't taking up their entire life, so its not comparable at all. Obviously you personally don't like anyone saying its 'sad' or pointless because you are doing it, but really disconnecting yourself from all normal life to play a game every day is pretty pathetic in most peoples eyes, even if there's a very slim chance you could one day get paid to do it.

athletes are no less pathetics than these guys are. OK they don't train 11 hours a day but that's just because their body can't support it. They still got no life. Why do you think Michael Phelps is smoking weed at age 23? Maybe because for the first time of his life, he actually did something other than swimming.

In every sport or every game that exists, you gotta have "no life" to be among the best. I mean: Michael Jordan? Tiger Woods? Wayne Gretzky? Michael Phelps? All of these guys had "no life" before they became the best. Check out any biography, you'll see that when their friend were partying, going to the movies etc. they were actually alone practicing hard.

There's so much people instantly calling "no life" or "pathetic" or "sad" whenever a computer is involved, won't you realize that if they succeed, their life will be 10 times better than yours.
NeO)PhOeNiX
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Canada250 Posts
February 13 2009 06:25 GMT
#126
I'll be sure to check out this video b/c it surely looks interesting.

I've heard of [Name] and [Shield] academy's where amateurs congregate with one another and train like pros to become pros! Thanks for the video, Artosis!! Keep up the good work - I enjoy the contribution you've made as this is unprecedented footage in the foreign BW community.

Just out of curiousity, since there are several pro's that come from specific teams (ie. by. / [Shield] / [Name] , etc) I was wondering what other teams own practice houses?

My guesses: Sea. / n.Die_ / MenSol / by. / [gm] / [KaL]
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Creationism
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
China505 Posts
February 13 2009 06:57 GMT
#127
ROFL, hes not putting a dent into terran, so i like him even more.
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benjammin
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2728 Posts
February 13 2009 07:08 GMT
#128
artosis was in rare form here, loved it

would love to see more about how players are recruited actually
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thunk
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States6233 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-13 08:01:06
February 13 2009 08:00 GMT
#129
On February 12 2009 15:31 Yaqoob wrote:
I am sure that most of them enjoy what they do and I haven't yet seen a progamer that has retired and done nothing regret being a progamer in the first place.


I wonder how many failed progamers regret picking up the game.

Cool Footage Artosis, glad you could do that.
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gg_hertzz
Profile Blog Joined January 2004
2152 Posts
February 13 2009 08:01 GMT
#130
guys can we not argue what is and isn't pathetic. each countries has it's segments that would probably make another country laugh it's ass off. i mean, if you think about it, chess is a pretty damn stupid hobby. but bobby fischer is regarded as an american hero. then there's competitive eating, darts, bowling, geez i can go on and on. and golf is stupid as hell. it's all in the marketing. computer games isn't regarded a high status profession, and in fact is often subject to ridicule by westerners. but who gives a fuck?
MuR)Ernu
Profile Joined September 2008
Finland768 Posts
February 13 2009 08:05 GMT
#131
On February 13 2009 05:02 emucxg wrote:
I made a coverage about this on WFBRood, including NAME clan informations
http://www.wfbrood.com/xingji/xjnews/xingji_36239.html

I have to ask a question.
What is actually your nationality? Finnish-chinese?
If so, awesome. I'm trying to learn some chinese myself, maybe i should lurk wfbrood or something :D
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
February 13 2009 15:17 GMT
#132
I just ez'ed that choiddong kid, no wonder he wasnt let in estro lol
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tomatriedes
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
New Zealand5356 Posts
February 13 2009 15:36 GMT
#133
It's a shame there isn't some sponsorship money in it so that these guys could get to at least live there for free. I imagined they've convinced their parents that they have a good chance of becoming a progamer etc.

To me it's like kids in the west who really try to make a go of being in a band. Spend lots of time practicing, neglect other things in life, sometimes even live together. All with that hope of one day making it big. Sure most will fail and have to go back to the 'real world' but some will succeed and even those who don't at least won't die wondering if they could have 'made it' doing what they really love.
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
February 13 2009 16:15 GMT
#134
On February 14 2009 00:17 ret wrote:
I just ez'ed that choiddong kid, no wonder he wasnt let in estro lol

rep
Entusman #12
JudgeMathis
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
Cuba1286 Posts
February 13 2009 19:33 GMT
#135
one of the [name] guys is #1 on iccup. that's pretty nice.
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emucxg
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Finland4559 Posts
February 13 2009 19:35 GMT
#136
On February 13 2009 17:05 MuR)Ernu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 13 2009 05:02 emucxg wrote:
I made a coverage about this on WFBRood, including NAME clan informations
http://www.wfbrood.com/xingji/xjnews/xingji_36239.html

I have to ask a question.
What is actually your nationality? Finnish-chinese?
If so, awesome. I'm trying to learn some chinese myself, maybe i should lurk wfbrood or something :D

I‘m Chinese and lived in Finland about 10 years
Julmust
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
Sweden4867 Posts
February 13 2009 20:56 GMT
#137
On February 14 2009 04:33 JudgeMathis wrote:
one of the [name] guys is #1 on iccup. that's pretty nice.

and still not good enough for estro
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gusbear
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
333 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-13 21:15:36
February 13 2009 21:02 GMT
#138
great video! thanks artosis!

no bashing, but what camcorder are you using? pretty shaky footage and sad sad AF! scforall should get you some proper equipment!

edit: audio is not bad tho, actually pretty good... suprised it wasn't a mic.. props for talking into the camera with perfect level and.. great voice!

and that aint a puppy, thats dinner.
Seraphim
Profile Blog Joined March 2006
United States4467 Posts
February 13 2009 23:17 GMT
#139
On February 14 2009 01:15 littlechava wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2009 00:17 ret wrote:
I just ez'ed that choiddong kid, no wonder he wasnt let in estro lol

rep

Hermes | Bisu[Shield] Fighting~!
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2801 Posts
February 13 2009 23:23 GMT
#140
On February 14 2009 01:15 littlechava wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2009 00:17 ret wrote:
I just ez'ed that choiddong kid, no wonder he wasnt let in estro lol

rep

KrAzYfoOL
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia3037 Posts
February 14 2009 16:43 GMT
#141
On February 14 2009 08:23 EsX_Raptor wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 14 2009 01:15 littlechava wrote:
On February 14 2009 00:17 ret wrote:
I just ez'ed that choiddong kid, no wonder he wasnt let in estro lol

rep


+ Show Spoiler +
rep
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Ilikestarcraft
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Korea (South)17727 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-14 16:54:25
February 14 2009 16:52 GMT
#142
On February 14 2009 00:17 ret wrote:
I just ez'ed that choiddong kid, no wonder he wasnt let in estro lol

HAHA

imagine ret played him while the coaches were watching
It would be like robbing him of his chance of being a pro
"Nana is a goddess. Or at very least, Nana is my goddess." - KazeHydra
LuckyFool
Profile Blog Joined June 2007
United States9015 Posts
February 14 2009 16:54 GMT
#143
ret is the best...
EsX_Raptor
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
United States2801 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-14 19:17:23
February 14 2009 19:17 GMT
#144
On February 15 2009 01:54 LuckyFool wrote:
ret rep is the best...

Fixed
Raithed
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
China7078 Posts
February 14 2009 19:58 GMT
#145
lol @ puppy. awwww.
meathook
Profile Joined December 2007
1289 Posts
February 15 2009 00:06 GMT
#146
Good work. This was interesting. However, the part about the puppy left much to be desired - could you make a reportage solely about the puppy for next week, plx? Kthx.
An ugly planet. A bug planet.
Archaic
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States4024 Posts
February 15 2009 00:16 GMT
#147
O_O. I can't believe that there are places like this. I actually contemplated it, but they're real! I love Korea.
DoX.)
Profile Joined December 2008
Singapore6164 Posts
February 15 2009 00:16 GMT
#148
I WANT TEH PUPPY
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
February 15 2009 01:14 GMT
#149
haha <3 Puppy
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
February 15 2009 01:18 GMT
#150
On February 14 2009 00:17 ret wrote:
I just ez'ed that choiddong kid, no wonder he wasnt let in estro lol


Was this you?

[image loading]
#1 Terran hater
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-15 01:40:36
February 15 2009 01:20 GMT
#151
ye that was me on friends id

i could post rep but i played really bad lol, just msg me on iccup for it
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Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
February 15 2009 01:24 GMT
#152
O_o Do you think you could PM me the replay pls?
littlechava
Profile Blog Joined March 2004
United States7218 Posts
February 15 2009 03:16 GMT
#153
I'd like it too, I just want to see how the guy plays >.<
Artosis/IdrA, do you guys know any current A-team players that came from amateur houses like these? Any really successful ones?
Entusman #12
Highways
Profile Joined July 2005
Australia6103 Posts
February 15 2009 03:23 GMT
#154
Can you pm me the replay as well?

#1 Terran hater
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
February 15 2009 11:39 GMT
#155
http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=7771

I don't usually do that bad vs mutas. : )
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wwooaa
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
Croatia179 Posts
February 15 2009 12:00 GMT
#156
thx ret...we appreciate your effort xD
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meathook
Profile Joined December 2007
1289 Posts
February 15 2009 12:33 GMT
#157
On February 15 2009 20:39 ret wrote:
http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=7771

I don't usually do that bad vs mutas. : )


Thanks for the replay. That was a pretty agressive (CC, 2nd rax before first marine) expansion by you in the beginning there, kind of lucky for you that he only built 8(?) lings at the start... and he almost built two Lairs at once! lawl.
An ugly planet. A bug planet.
Racenilatr
Profile Blog Joined August 2008
United States2756 Posts
February 15 2009 12:38 GMT
#158
On February 15 2009 20:39 ret wrote:
http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=7771

I don't usually do that bad vs mutas. : )

popular demand :D dont worry about doing poorly against those mutas. It just shows how awsome you are for winning despite that fluke
Scaramanga
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Australia8090 Posts
February 15 2009 13:08 GMT
#159
Man if they pay 240$ a month and play 11 hours they must have some loving parents,
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Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-15 13:41:11
February 15 2009 13:40 GMT
#160
On February 15 2009 21:33 meathook wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 15 2009 20:39 ret wrote:
http://www.repdepot.net/replay.php?id=7771

I don't usually do that bad vs mutas. : )


Thanks for the replay. That was a pretty agressive (CC, 2nd rax before first marine) expansion by you in the beginning there, kind of lucky for you that he only built 8(?) lings at the start... and he almost built two Lairs at once! lawl.


nope, standard opening if they 9 drone scout me, and if he makes more then 8 lings its not a problem
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TheFlashyOne
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Canada450 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-02-15 14:29:54
February 15 2009 14:29 GMT
#161
On February 15 2009 10:20 ret wrote:
ye that was me on friends id

i could post rep but i played really bad lol, just msg me on iccup for it



Good try ret, but that not your friends id. thats yours.
Don't Spend your Life Dreaming, Live your Dream
Liquid`Ret
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
Netherlands4511 Posts
February 15 2009 16:01 GMT
#162
actually it is my friends id, but i played ladder on it mostly from C and up?

way to go with the agressive tone lol
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IdrA
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States11541 Posts
February 15 2009 16:04 GMT
#163
you hurt rets feelings
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IntoTheWow
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
is awesome32275 Posts
February 15 2009 17:47 GMT
#164
On February 16 2009 01:01 ret wrote:
actually it is my friends id, but i played ladder on it mostly from C and up?

way to go with the agressive tone lol


Cause you are trying to take the foreigner title from him!!
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Snare
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Trinidad/Tobago129 Posts
February 15 2009 21:25 GMT
#165
How long would it take F91 to get kicked out of that house =p ?

A couple minutes ?
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Tsagacity
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
United States2124 Posts
February 15 2009 21:38 GMT
#166
That zerg player is totally using my keyboard!
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