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On December 26 2008 08:49 deathgod6 wrote:
Aside from the TvP, I think FBH is a bit better than Leta. Having said that, Leta is a really strong player and his wraith play was superb.
Actually, there's no indication that Leta has better TvP than FBH right now. FBH beats mediocre tosses, and get owned by top tosses. Leta beats mediocre tosses, and get owned by top tosses. FBH only looks worse because there was a time when he couldn't beat a toss at all.
Both Best and Jangbi absolutely schooled Leta.
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leta is good, but i dont want him to bypass flash. sorry, not time yet.
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On December 26 2008 10:07 baubo wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2008 08:49 deathgod6 wrote:
Aside from the TvP, I think FBH is a bit better than Leta. Having said that, Leta is a really strong player and his wraith play was superb. Actually, there's no indication that Leta has better TvP than FBH right now. FBH beats mediocre tosses, and get owned by top tosses. Leta beats mediocre tosses, and get owned by top tosses. FBH only looks worse because there was a time when he couldn't beat a toss at all. Both Best and Jangbi absolutely schooled Leta. Yeah...Jangbi did. Best [who is 1-1 against Leta, and Kal, who is 0-2 against leta] did not. Maybe you should actually watch his fucking games rather than making shit up. Leta's tvp is very strong.
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On December 26 2008 08:36 FrozenArbiter wrote:It annoys me when people talk about wraiths as being "new" TvZ when it's such a super super super old school opening  Like... it's been around for about as long as there have been replays (or longer). EDIT: Tho this makes me sound like I don't appreciate this thread, which is totally wrong - great OP 
THANK YOU.
Seriously, TheMarine used to do dual port wraiths on LT every single game.
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does leta mean anything in korean? sounds like a girl's name to me.
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Leta is good, theres no doubt about it but hes not number one. Sure hes got some monster wins in proleauge and hes qualified for both leauges, but so has Flash/Mind so untill he takes out some more s class progamers then he's still no.2
btw Flash vs Leta rep, who will win?
if i had to rank terran players it'd go
1.  Flash
2. Mind/Leta
4. firebathero
5. Sea
6. fOrGG
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On December 26 2008 12:13 Scaramanga wrote:Leta is good, theres no doubt about it but hes not number one. Sure hes got some monster wins in proleauge and hes qualified for both leauges, but so has Flash/Mind so untill he takes out some more s class progamers then he's still no.2 btw Flash vs Leta rep, who will win? if i had to rank terran players it'd go 1. Flash 2. Mind/ Leta4. firebathero5. Sea6. fOrGG
Do not even compare Leta to Mind. Mind is S-class baller.
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On December 26 2008 11:33 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2008 10:07 baubo wrote:On December 26 2008 08:49 deathgod6 wrote:
Aside from the TvP, I think FBH is a bit better than Leta. Having said that, Leta is a really strong player and his wraith play was superb. Actually, there's no indication that Leta has better TvP than FBH right now. FBH beats mediocre tosses, and get owned by top tosses. Leta beats mediocre tosses, and get owned by top tosses. FBH only looks worse because there was a time when he couldn't beat a toss at all. Both Best and Jangbi absolutely schooled Leta. Yeah...Jangbi did. Best [who is 1-1 against Leta, and Kal, who is 0-2 against leta] did not. Maybe you should actually watch his fucking games rather than making shit up. Leta's tvp is very strong.
Kind of ironic, since I wouldn't have commented if I hadn't caught both the Jangbi and the Best game.
I did not watch the Best game where Leta won, but I checked and it was last proleague season, back when Best's PvT was not even close to being the juggernaut it is now. As for Kal, well, FBH also beat Kal, and a lot more recently too. So I don't see the point in mentioning him in the first place. Or do you want to bring in FBH's old TvP into discussion, in which case I would agree to be absolutely horrendous.
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On December 26 2008 11:33 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2008 10:07 baubo wrote:On December 26 2008 08:49 deathgod6 wrote:
Aside from the TvP, I think FBH is a bit better than Leta. Having said that, Leta is a really strong player and his wraith play was superb. Actually, there's no indication that Leta has better TvP than FBH right now. FBH beats mediocre tosses, and get owned by top tosses. Leta beats mediocre tosses, and get owned by top tosses. FBH only looks worse because there was a time when he couldn't beat a toss at all. Both Best and Jangbi absolutely schooled Leta. Yeah...Jangbi did. Best [who is 1-1 against Leta, and Kal, who is 0-2 against leta] did not. Maybe you should actually watch his fucking games rather than making shit up. Leta's tvp is very strong.
Did you not watch their most recent game? Best destroyed Leta.
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On December 26 2008 09:39 Dazed_Spy wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2008 07:11 MrHoon wrote:On December 26 2008 07:02 Dazed_Spy wrote:
leta is a really strong terran...he aint gonna be, and def aint is, the next terran star.
Edit: What newb honestly thinks FORGG's tvt is not good? LOL? Aside from Flash 5 months ago, I did not see anything spectacular. ForGG is a TvZ beast, and his TvT/TvP is above average. + Show Spoiler [edit] + Theres a difference between tvt being "not good" and being "above average". Above average is most certainly good, or everyone's tvt must be disgustingly poor. Lol newb
above average isnt certainly good
hey don't pull out of the discussion yet, we wanna hear about how awesome ForGG's tvt is
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Leta vs hero made me think exactly the same thing. He is at a severe disadvantage, but good timing, macro, and a bit of pure balls quickly puts him at an advantage that he almost always drives home.
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On December 26 2008 13:17 Nitan wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2008 11:33 Dazed_Spy wrote:On December 26 2008 10:07 baubo wrote:On December 26 2008 08:49 deathgod6 wrote:
Aside from the TvP, I think FBH is a bit better than Leta. Having said that, Leta is a really strong player and his wraith play was superb. Actually, there's no indication that Leta has better TvP than FBH right now. FBH beats mediocre tosses, and get owned by top tosses. Leta beats mediocre tosses, and get owned by top tosses. FBH only looks worse because there was a time when he couldn't beat a toss at all. Both Best and Jangbi absolutely schooled Leta. Yeah...Jangbi did. Best [who is 1-1 against Leta, and Kal, who is 0-2 against leta] did not. Maybe you should actually watch his fucking games rather than making shit up. Leta's tvp is very strong. Did you not watch their most recent game? Best destroyed Leta.
he's 1-1 against him so he doesnt get schooled my top protoss players though
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On December 26 2008 13:40 arb wrote:Show nested quote +On December 26 2008 13:17 Nitan wrote:On December 26 2008 11:33 Dazed_Spy wrote:On December 26 2008 10:07 baubo wrote:On December 26 2008 08:49 deathgod6 wrote:
Aside from the TvP, I think FBH is a bit better than Leta. Having said that, Leta is a really strong player and his wraith play was superb. Actually, there's no indication that Leta has better TvP than FBH right now. FBH beats mediocre tosses, and get owned by top tosses. Leta beats mediocre tosses, and get owned by top tosses. FBH only looks worse because there was a time when he couldn't beat a toss at all. Both Best and Jangbi absolutely schooled Leta. Yeah...Jangbi did. Best [who is 1-1 against Leta, and Kal, who is 0-2 against leta] did not. Maybe you should actually watch his fucking games rather than making shit up. Leta's tvp is very strong. Did you not watch their most recent game? Best destroyed Leta. he's 1-1 against him so he doesnt get schooled my top protoss players though
Yeah, but overall stats are misleading, his game against Jangbi pretty much was a clinic.
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that's just one game
jangbi's pvt is pretty much top level as well
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On December 26 2008 13:46 GTR-2-Go wrote:
that's just one game
jangbi's pvt is pretty much top level as well
Well, I think that is part of his point though. When Flash was starting to become the absolute baller he is today, he was consistently taking down S-Class toss players (well, pretty much all players) (coughstorkcough) CONSISTENTLY, which Leta just hasn't done yet. I think it's really too early to tell what direction leta is going to take (as a terran player, I hope he does start dominating [everyone but flash], but we'll see). Once he starts taking down s-class players consistently, we'll start debating about who the best terran player is now.
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the point that the post I quoted was trying to make, is that Leta's tvp is not top level and cant compete with top level pvt's. Which is wrong. Leta already has, and Leta has already won. He's also lost in close fashion, one sided fashion, etc. Like most really good players, he can beat the majority of the best, but he can also lose to them. Leta is not a god, he is fantastic in all match ups, but hes not a god. He can get his ass handed to him some days, just like everyone save #1 on the PR can. And has, recently. 
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well first time i saw flash fail so badly
god it just made me want to roll up into a fetus
(it was the daum 3rd/4th game on python)
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I'm still not sure how much I trust his tvp
and with all the strong 'dragons' right now, that might hinder him
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