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Dazed.
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Ilikestarcraft
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On December 26 2008 14:30 Dazed_Spy wrote: check out leta vs kal on blue storm, or leta vs best on othello, very good games. leta vs kal doesnt count blue storm is just a very bad pvt map and in the game kal almost won too | ||
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Dazed.
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Dazed.
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On December 26 2008 14:41 Ilikestarcraft wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? Of course the game counts. Blue Storm is an annoying map for Protoss, its not heavily imbalanced, its not terrible. The game was in a high pressure situation, both players played really well, Kal lost. End.leta vs kal doesnt count blue storm is just a very bad pvt map and in the game kal almost won too | ||
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fusionsdf
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On December 26 2008 14:42 Dazed_Spy wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? Of course the game counts. Blue Storm is an annoying map for Protoss, its not heavily imbalanced, its not terrible. The game was in a high pressure situation, both players played really well, Kal lost. End. WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT RETARD? yeah its not fun when someone blows up at you for disagreeing is it? too bad he's right though huh? | ||
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ish0wstopper
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and leta has been good for months now and ogn even used him as an ace in a crucial game last season its just that recently hes elevated his game even higher | ||
MrHoon
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On December 26 2008 14:42 Dazed_Spy wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? Of course the game counts. Blue Storm is an annoying map for Protoss, its not heavily imbalanced, its not terrible. The game was in a high pressure situation, both players played really well, Kal lost. End. Kal is probably the absolute most inconsistent dragon out there He suffers from the Kingdom Syndrome like no other protoss players | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
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On December 26 2008 14:42 Dazed_Spy wrote: What the fuck are you talking about? Of course the game counts. Blue Storm is an annoying map for Protoss, its not heavily imbalanced, its not terrible. The game was in a high pressure situation, both players played really well, Kal lost. End. I just meant its not the best game to show leta's tvp because blue storm is literally considered to be the easiest map to play tvp on. If you block the early game cheese once you control the center its really hard to lose. You yourself said the map is annoying for protoss. I agree its a fun game to watch but its a bad example of leta's tvp. Its like saying look how good stork is at pvt and recommend a game on katrina. | ||
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Dazed.
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On December 26 2008 14:58 Ilikestarcraft wrote: No actually, its nothing like showing a game from a completely imbalanced map. Blue storm had its share of imbalances for every match up, elements that helped one race over the other. Like every other map on Starcraft. Every map has some cries of imbalance, and the majority do have it. The majority trend one race over the other, significantly or otherwise. At the end of the day, Blue Storm is not remembered as a really hard pvt map, its known as a standard, entertaining macro map that was relatively balanced. Thats why it lasted so many seasons. Protoss may not be in the best position against Terran, but its not the equivalent of Katrina or Medusa.I just meant its not the best game to show leta's tvp because blue storm is literally considered to be the easiest map to play tvp on. If you block the early game cheese once you control the center its really hard to lose. You yourself said the map is annoying for protoss. I agree its a fun game to watch but its a bad example of leta's tvp. Its like saying look how good stork is at pvt and recommend a game on katrina. Either way, when Kal is not playing like ass [and he def wasnt in that game] no terran with bad tvp would have been able to take Kal down on Blue Storm. No terran with bad tvp would have even been able to split the map against Kal. Leta did that. I was not trying to show his tvp was fantastic, I was showing that it was good and it was proven, on maps that were/are frequently played. On maps with similar balance that Leta can hope for in the future. | ||
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baubo
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On December 26 2008 14:07 Dazed_Spy wrote: the point that the post I quoted was trying to make, is that Leta's tvp is not top level and cant compete with top level pvt's. Which is wrong. Leta already has, and Leta has already won. He's also lost in close fashion, one sided fashion, etc. Like most really good players, he can beat the majority of the best, but he can also lose to them. Leta is not a god, he is fantastic in all match ups, but hes not a god. He can get his ass handed to him some days, just like everyone save #1 on the PR can. And has, recently.  Didn't you just describe FBH's current TvP? That's what I was saying in the first place, that Leta has shown as much TvP skills as FBH. They're about the same in my book as of right now. You apparently took offense to that, but I still don't see any argument from you Leta should be considered a higher level than firebathero right now in the MU. This is a very simple thing, just compare two player, not whether they're "good", "average", "s-class", or whatever. Just straight-up comparison. | ||
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meegrean
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d_so
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On December 26 2008 08:36 FrozenArbiter wrote: It annoys me when people talk about wraiths as being "new" TvZ when it's such a super super super old school opening  Like... it's been around for about as long as there have been replays (or longer). EDIT: Tho this makes me sound like I don't appreciate this thread, which is totally wrong - great OP  yeah i'll admit i don't have much knowledge on starcraft from before 2008. when people, including the announcers, started giving mad props to lomo for his wraith play, i thought it was something brand new. and thanks  | ||
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Dazed.
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On December 26 2008 16:35 baubo wrote: No I did not.Didn't you just describe FBH's current TvP? | ||
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Until he shows the consistency when he's playing BoX series on top of his PL games, I really don't think he's as good as everyone cracks him up to be. | ||
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