• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 07:36
CET 13:36
KST 21:36
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Revival - 2025 Season Finals Preview8RSL Season 3 - Playoffs Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12
Community News
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies3ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career !10Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win4Weekly Cups (Dec 1-7): Clem doubles, Solar gets over the hump1Weekly Cups (Nov 24-30): MaxPax, Clem, herO win2
StarCraft 2
General
Weekly Cups (Dec 15-21): Classic wins big, MaxPax & Clem take weeklies ComeBackTV's documentary on Byun's Career ! Micro Lags When Playing SC2? When will we find out if there are more tournament Weekly Cups (Dec 8-14): MaxPax, Clem, Cure win
Tourneys
$100 Prize Pool - Winter Warp Gate Masters Showdow $5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Winter Warp Gate Amateur Showdown #1 RSL Offline Finals Info - Dec 13 and 14!
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 505 Rise From Ashes Mutation # 504 Retribution Mutation # 503 Fowl Play Mutation # 502 Negative Reinforcement
Brood War
General
BW General Discussion FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle soO on: FanTaSy's Potential Return to StarCraft BGH Auto Balance -> http://bghmmr.eu/ Anyone remember me from 2000s Bnet EAST server?
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues [BSL21] LB QuarterFinals - Sunday 21:00 CET Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] WB SEMIFINALS - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Game Theory for Starcraft Current Meta Fighting Spirit mining rates
Other Games
General Games
Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Beyond All Reason Path of Exile General RTS Discussion Thread
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Survivor II: The Amazon Sengoku Mafia TL Mafia Community Thread
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine Russo-Ukrainian War Thread YouTube Thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
Anime Discussion Thread [Manga] One Piece Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List TL+ Announced Where to ask questions and add stream?
Blogs
The (Hidden) Drug Problem in…
TrAiDoS
I decided to write a webnov…
DjKniteX
James Bond movies ranking - pa…
Topin
Thanks for the RSL
Hildegard
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1225 users

Leta- The Rising Star - Page 2

Forum Index > BW General
Post a Reply
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
December 25 2008 22:01 GMT
#21
On December 26 2008 06:34 rkarhu wrote:
Just a curious question. When did Leta transfer from Oz to OGN?

He didn't. I think you're getting leta and lomo confused.
Liquipedia
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-25 22:03:05
December 25 2008 22:02 GMT
#22
leta is a really strong terran...he aint gonna be, and def aint is, the next terran star.

Edit: What newb honestly thinks FORGG's tvt is not good? LOL?
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
December 25 2008 22:04 GMT
#23
Not yet proven TvZ, and TvP, but you bring up important traits with his play like his wraithplay, and positioning TvT. His vulture micro is also notable.

Overall good read. Id rate Leta as top 3 terran right now, he needs more games against dragons and above average zergs to challenge Young Ho though.

Also remember that Leta didnt have the chance to play in GOM due to OGN not letting their players play in that tournament. One might speculate if he had done as good in the GOM tournament as the other tournaments, or if he would have been slaughtered due to the tournament being a dragonfest atm. Hopefully OGN lets their players play in GOM next season now that it's KeSPA sanctioned.
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
December 25 2008 22:08 GMT
#24
Leta is good , but top terrans are Flash and Mind and ForGG was for some time . He is becoming a newer version of sea i don't think that he will get far in the leagues if he meats a vs terran monster .
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17921 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-25 22:11:26
December 25 2008 22:10 GMT
#25
On December 26 2008 07:02 Dazed_Spy wrote:
leta is a really strong terran...he aint gonna be, and def aint is, the next terran star.

Edit: What newb honestly thinks FORGG's tvt is not good? LOL?


well statisically..

vT: 32-31 (50.79%) Forgg's TvT.
vT: 20-7 (74.07%) Leta's TvT

50% isnt really that good.
Artillery spawned from the forges of Hell
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-25 22:17:42
December 25 2008 22:11 GMT
#26
On December 26 2008 07:02 Dazed_Spy wrote:
leta is a really strong terran...he aint gonna be, and def aint is, the next terran star.

Edit: What newb honestly thinks FORGG's tvt is not good? LOL?

Aside from Flash 5 months ago, I did not see anything spectacular.
ForGG is a TvZ beast, and his TvT/TvP is above average.

+ Show Spoiler [edit] +
fagit
dats racist
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
December 25 2008 22:11 GMT
#27
I think Leta has really strong TvT, but I was always under the impression that his TvP is fairly weak.

Also, doing well in Proleague and individual leagues are completely different things. Players typically prepare much harder for individual leagues, and there are a lot more factors involved than Proleague games.

And I agree with Zulu that Leta really needs to play/win against more S-class players for me to be convinced.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
December 25 2008 22:15 GMT
#28
On December 26 2008 07:02 Dazed_Spy wrote:
leta is a really strong terran...he aint gonna be, and def aint is, the next terran star.

Edit: What newb honestly thinks FORGG's tvt is not good? LOL?



ForGG's TvT is really not that amazing.

ForGG throws away way too many units in his games. This can typically be compensated by by his insane macro, but it hurts more in mirror match-ups, especially when maps get mined out.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
December 25 2008 22:21 GMT
#29
I've always liked Leta, but he's only recently started to come on as a solid Terran.
if I come without a thing, then I come with all I need @tonightsend
Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
December 25 2008 22:21 GMT
#30
Light vs fOrGG really showed what lacks in his TvT. He almost lost that game with a great adventage, due to losing his units carelessly, showing overall impatience and making stubborn attacks.
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3017 Posts
December 25 2008 22:21 GMT
#31
On December 26 2008 06:24 d_so wrote:
yeah i took out the "easy". but i know this: mind is flash's bitch. and flash... is he really that good at TvT? The last memorable TvT he had in terms of opponent was ForGG.. that did not go well.


Honestly for like the last six months the only memorable games Flash has played are the ones he loses because all of his wins look the same (step 1 mine resources, step 2 roll opponent).

Also I think Leta is really good but he hasn't shown that he's not just another Sea - sure he beat Sea recently but aside from that the parallels are very similar (proleague monster, no problem qualifying for individuals)

Lastly, again I think Leta is good but you're really not helping your own credibility by saying "flash... is he really that good at TvT?" especially after pumping out a STATS-happy post suggesting Leta is really good (which for the last time, I also think he is).


RamenStyle
Profile Joined September 2004
United States1929 Posts
December 25 2008 22:57 GMT
#32
I've been saying this since before summer. Leta has been the most underrated terran in the past few months, and that he has lived under the shadow of Lux and yarnc for too much. Finally he is getting the spotlight. Good for him.
Dyno.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States286 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-25 23:29:40
December 25 2008 23:28 GMT
#33
Leta's consistency right now is definitely at an elite level, which is what makes him such a dominant proleague player. He simply does not lose often to players that he should beat. I will say that his consistency definitely impresses me and he's probably the best proleague player around right now (although i would definitely take the Leta -> Flash trade that's available in fantasy right now if I could).

I also agree that, after Flash, there's really no other Terran worth mentioning (maybe Mind. <3 Mind). However, I'm not ready to say he's anywhere near Flash's level until he starts beating elite players. If you look at his wins, he really doesn't have any upsets at all (and every elite player has upsets, or what were thought to be at the time, on their rise to glory).

To be fair, it's not his fault that he hasn't had any opportunities to prove himself. I haven't done the numbers on it, but I'd be willing to bet that out of the top 10 players in proleague right now, Leta has had the easiest "stength of schedule" by far. With starleagues revving up, he'll finally have a chance to show everyone he's not just a proleague ringer.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-25 23:39:32
December 25 2008 23:36 GMT
#34
It annoys me when people talk about wraiths as being "new" TvZ when it's such a super super super old school opening

Like... it's been around for about as long as there have been replays (or longer).

EDIT: Tho this makes me sound like I don't appreciate this thread, which is totally wrong - great OP
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
December 25 2008 23:39 GMT
#35
On December 26 2008 07:10 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2008 07:02 Dazed_Spy wrote:
leta is a really strong terran...he aint gonna be, and def aint is, the next terran star.

Edit: What newb honestly thinks FORGG's tvt is not good? LOL?


well statisically..

vT: 32-31 (50.79%) Forgg's TvT.
vT: 20-7 (74.07%) Leta's TvT

50% isnt really that good.

Stats are misleading; fOrGG has massively improved his TvT. Let's look at his last six months, which is the best indicator of a player's overall, but current, strength.
vT 15-7 (68%)

I like Leta, and he is very good, but the only thing I'm worried about is when he faces good protosses and zergs. I mean the amount of TvTs he's played in compared to his other MUs is insane.
Jaedong
Makhno
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Sweden585 Posts
December 25 2008 23:41 GMT
#36
Leta is super-tight in long games, I believe he will take his PL prowess and translate it to individual scores with ease. And he deserves a spot on the Power Rank!

+ Show Spoiler +
Come on Steve!
"If I think, everything is lost"
deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
December 25 2008 23:49 GMT
#37
Aside from the TvP, I think FBH is a bit better than Leta. Having said that, Leta is a really strong player and his wraith play was superb.
4.0 GPA = A rank 5.0 GPA = Olympic --------- Bisu, Best, Fantasy. i ♥ oov. They can get in my BoxeR anyday.
AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7465 Posts
December 26 2008 00:09 GMT
#38
On December 26 2008 08:41 Makhno wrote:
Leta is super-tight in long games, I believe he will take his PL prowess and translate it to individual scores with ease. And he deserves a spot on the Power Rank!

+ Show Spoiler +
Come on Steve!



I agree.

He is one of those players for me, like a jaedong,sea,fbh,flash,bisu,free,effort that does a lot of teeny tiny little moves that are so subtle yet insightfully.

I think leta is top 3-4 terran and has been since august.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9070 Posts
December 26 2008 00:15 GMT
#39
dear SKT, pls buy Leta...and Really
Administrator"I'm a big deal." - ixmike88
Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
December 26 2008 00:39 GMT
#40
On December 26 2008 07:11 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2008 07:02 Dazed_Spy wrote:
leta is a really strong terran...he aint gonna be, and def aint is, the next terran star.

Edit: What newb honestly thinks FORGG's tvt is not good? LOL?

Aside from Flash 5 months ago, I did not see anything spectacular.
ForGG is a TvZ beast, and his TvT/TvP is above average.

+ Show Spoiler [edit] +
fagit
Theres a difference between tvt being "not good" and being "above average". Above average is most certainly good, or everyone's tvt must be disgustingly poor. Lol

newb
Never say Die! ||| Fight you? No, I want to kill you.
Prev 1 2 3 4 5 Next All
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
WardiTV Invitational
12:00
Christmas Eve Games
Gerald vs YoungYakovLIVE!
Spirit vs MaNa
SHIN vs Percival
Creator vs Scarlett
WardiTV644
IndyStarCraft 282
Rex75
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
IndyStarCraft 282
Lowko200
mouzStarbuck 146
Rex 75
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 29889
Sea 16572
Aegong 1811
Horang2 1525
BeSt 1213
Bisu 888
firebathero 421
actioN 407
Stork 394
Hyun 348
[ Show more ]
Soma 312
Larva 241
Shuttle 228
Last 177
Mini 160
Rush 133
hero 111
Snow 103
Barracks 92
ggaemo 88
Pusan 72
ToSsGirL 62
Killer 42
PianO 41
JYJ 40
Sacsri 29
Shinee 26
HiyA 22
soO 22
sorry 21
Movie 16
yabsab 14
GoRush 13
zelot 12
scan(afreeca) 12
JulyZerg 10
Noble 9
SilentControl 7
Icarus 5
Terrorterran 3
Dota 2
XcaliburYe1236
League of Legends
C9.Mang0333
rGuardiaN74
Counter-Strike
zeus2695
x6flipin1182
edward178
Super Smash Bros
Mew2King159
Other Games
crisheroes255
Hui .233
BRAT_OK 36
Organizations
StarCraft: Brood War
lovetv 7
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 15 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• StrangeGG 81
• Light_VIP 9
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
Dota 2
• WagamamaTV2136
• Noizen40
League of Legends
• Jankos4451
Upcoming Events
Replay Cast
20h 24m
WardiTV Invitational
23h 24m
ByuN vs Solar
Clem vs Classic
Cure vs herO
Reynor vs MaxPax
Replay Cast
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
3 days
Krystianer vs TBD
TriGGeR vs SKillous
Percival vs TBD
ByuN vs Nicoract
Replay Cast
4 days
Wardi Open
4 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-12-22
WardiTV 2025
META Madness #9

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
BSL Season 21
Slon Tour Season 2
CSL Season 19: Qualifier 2
eXTREMESLAND 2025
SL Budapest Major 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22

Upcoming

CSL 2025 WINTER (S19)
BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
Bellum Gens Elite Stara Zagora 2026
HSC XXVIII
Big Gabe Cup #3
OSC Championship Season 13
Nations Cup 2026
ESL Pro League Season 23
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.