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Elyvilon
Profile Joined August 2008
United States13143 Posts
December 25 2008 22:01 GMT
#21
On December 26 2008 06:34 rkarhu wrote:
Just a curious question. When did Leta transfer from Oz to OGN?

He didn't. I think you're getting leta and lomo confused.
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-25 22:03:05
December 25 2008 22:02 GMT
#22
leta is a really strong terran...he aint gonna be, and def aint is, the next terran star.

Edit: What newb honestly thinks FORGG's tvt is not good? LOL?
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Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
December 25 2008 22:04 GMT
#23
Not yet proven TvZ, and TvP, but you bring up important traits with his play like his wraithplay, and positioning TvT. His vulture micro is also notable.

Overall good read. Id rate Leta as top 3 terran right now, he needs more games against dragons and above average zergs to challenge Young Ho though.

Also remember that Leta didnt have the chance to play in GOM due to OGN not letting their players play in that tournament. One might speculate if he had done as good in the GOM tournament as the other tournaments, or if he would have been slaughtered due to the tournament being a dragonfest atm. Hopefully OGN lets their players play in GOM next season now that it's KeSPA sanctioned.
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raga4ka
Profile Joined February 2008
Bulgaria5679 Posts
December 25 2008 22:08 GMT
#24
Leta is good , but top terrans are Flash and Mind and ForGG was for some time . He is becoming a newer version of sea i don't think that he will get far in the leagues if he meats a vs terran monster .
arb
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Noobville17922 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-25 22:11:26
December 25 2008 22:10 GMT
#25
On December 26 2008 07:02 Dazed_Spy wrote:
leta is a really strong terran...he aint gonna be, and def aint is, the next terran star.

Edit: What newb honestly thinks FORGG's tvt is not good? LOL?


well statisically..

vT: 32-31 (50.79%) Forgg's TvT.
vT: 20-7 (74.07%) Leta's TvT

50% isnt really that good.
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MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-25 22:17:42
December 25 2008 22:11 GMT
#26
On December 26 2008 07:02 Dazed_Spy wrote:
leta is a really strong terran...he aint gonna be, and def aint is, the next terran star.

Edit: What newb honestly thinks FORGG's tvt is not good? LOL?

Aside from Flash 5 months ago, I did not see anything spectacular.
ForGG is a TvZ beast, and his TvT/TvP is above average.

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fagit
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Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
December 25 2008 22:11 GMT
#27
I think Leta has really strong TvT, but I was always under the impression that his TvP is fairly weak.

Also, doing well in Proleague and individual leagues are completely different things. Players typically prepare much harder for individual leagues, and there are a lot more factors involved than Proleague games.

And I agree with Zulu that Leta really needs to play/win against more S-class players for me to be convinced.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
Cambium
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
United States16368 Posts
December 25 2008 22:15 GMT
#28
On December 26 2008 07:02 Dazed_Spy wrote:
leta is a really strong terran...he aint gonna be, and def aint is, the next terran star.

Edit: What newb honestly thinks FORGG's tvt is not good? LOL?



ForGG's TvT is really not that amazing.

ForGG throws away way too many units in his games. This can typically be compensated by by his insane macro, but it hurts more in mirror match-ups, especially when maps get mined out.
When you want something, all the universe conspires in helping you to achieve it.
tonight
Profile Blog Joined November 2006
United States11130 Posts
December 25 2008 22:21 GMT
#29
I've always liked Leta, but he's only recently started to come on as a solid Terran.
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Guybrush
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
Spain4744 Posts
December 25 2008 22:21 GMT
#30
Light vs fOrGG really showed what lacks in his TvT. He almost lost that game with a great adventage, due to losing his units carelessly, showing overall impatience and making stubborn attacks.
Live2Win is awesome. Happy new year scarabi!
darktreb
Profile Joined May 2007
United States3019 Posts
December 25 2008 22:21 GMT
#31
On December 26 2008 06:24 d_so wrote:
yeah i took out the "easy". but i know this: mind is flash's bitch. and flash... is he really that good at TvT? The last memorable TvT he had in terms of opponent was ForGG.. that did not go well.


Honestly for like the last six months the only memorable games Flash has played are the ones he loses because all of his wins look the same (step 1 mine resources, step 2 roll opponent).

Also I think Leta is really good but he hasn't shown that he's not just another Sea - sure he beat Sea recently but aside from that the parallels are very similar (proleague monster, no problem qualifying for individuals)

Lastly, again I think Leta is good but you're really not helping your own credibility by saying "flash... is he really that good at TvT?" especially after pumping out a STATS-happy post suggesting Leta is really good (which for the last time, I also think he is).


RamenStyle
Profile Joined September 2004
United States1929 Posts
December 25 2008 22:57 GMT
#32
I've been saying this since before summer. Leta has been the most underrated terran in the past few months, and that he has lived under the shadow of Lux and yarnc for too much. Finally he is getting the spotlight. Good for him.
Dyno.
Profile Joined August 2008
United States286 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-25 23:29:40
December 25 2008 23:28 GMT
#33
Leta's consistency right now is definitely at an elite level, which is what makes him such a dominant proleague player. He simply does not lose often to players that he should beat. I will say that his consistency definitely impresses me and he's probably the best proleague player around right now (although i would definitely take the Leta -> Flash trade that's available in fantasy right now if I could).

I also agree that, after Flash, there's really no other Terran worth mentioning (maybe Mind. <3 Mind). However, I'm not ready to say he's anywhere near Flash's level until he starts beating elite players. If you look at his wins, he really doesn't have any upsets at all (and every elite player has upsets, or what were thought to be at the time, on their rise to glory).

To be fair, it's not his fault that he hasn't had any opportunities to prove himself. I haven't done the numbers on it, but I'd be willing to bet that out of the top 10 players in proleague right now, Leta has had the easiest "stength of schedule" by far. With starleagues revving up, he'll finally have a chance to show everyone he's not just a proleague ringer.
Liquid`Jinro
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Sweden33719 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-12-25 23:39:32
December 25 2008 23:36 GMT
#34
It annoys me when people talk about wraiths as being "new" TvZ when it's such a super super super old school opening

Like... it's been around for about as long as there have been replays (or longer).

EDIT: Tho this makes me sound like I don't appreciate this thread, which is totally wrong - great OP
Moderatortell the guy that interplanatar interaction is pivotal to terrans variety of optionitudals in the pre-midgame preperatories as well as the protosstinal deterriggation of elite zergling strikes - Stimey n | Formerly FrozenArbiter
Avidkeystamper
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States8556 Posts
December 25 2008 23:39 GMT
#35
On December 26 2008 07:10 arb wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2008 07:02 Dazed_Spy wrote:
leta is a really strong terran...he aint gonna be, and def aint is, the next terran star.

Edit: What newb honestly thinks FORGG's tvt is not good? LOL?


well statisically..

vT: 32-31 (50.79%) Forgg's TvT.
vT: 20-7 (74.07%) Leta's TvT

50% isnt really that good.

Stats are misleading; fOrGG has massively improved his TvT. Let's look at his last six months, which is the best indicator of a player's overall, but current, strength.
vT 15-7 (68%)

I like Leta, and he is very good, but the only thing I'm worried about is when he faces good protosses and zergs. I mean the amount of TvTs he's played in compared to his other MUs is insane.
Jaedong
Makhno
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Sweden585 Posts
December 25 2008 23:41 GMT
#36
Leta is super-tight in long games, I believe he will take his PL prowess and translate it to individual scores with ease. And he deserves a spot on the Power Rank!

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Come on Steve!
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deathgod6
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
United States5064 Posts
December 25 2008 23:49 GMT
#37
Aside from the TvP, I think FBH is a bit better than Leta. Having said that, Leta is a really strong player and his wraith play was superb.
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AttackZerg
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States7662 Posts
December 26 2008 00:09 GMT
#38
On December 26 2008 08:41 Makhno wrote:
Leta is super-tight in long games, I believe he will take his PL prowess and translate it to individual scores with ease. And he deserves a spot on the Power Rank!

+ Show Spoiler +
Come on Steve!



I agree.

He is one of those players for me, like a jaedong,sea,fbh,flash,bisu,free,effort that does a lot of teeny tiny little moves that are so subtle yet insightfully.

I think leta is top 3-4 terran and has been since august.
disciple
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
9071 Posts
December 26 2008 00:15 GMT
#39
dear SKT, pls buy Leta...and Really
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Dazed.
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Canada3301 Posts
December 26 2008 00:39 GMT
#40
On December 26 2008 07:11 MrHoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 26 2008 07:02 Dazed_Spy wrote:
leta is a really strong terran...he aint gonna be, and def aint is, the next terran star.

Edit: What newb honestly thinks FORGG's tvt is not good? LOL?

Aside from Flash 5 months ago, I did not see anything spectacular.
ForGG is a TvZ beast, and his TvT/TvP is above average.

+ Show Spoiler [edit] +
fagit
Theres a difference between tvt being "not good" and being "above average". Above average is most certainly good, or everyone's tvt must be disgustingly poor. Lol

newb
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