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[PL] Lineups - Week 6, 08-09 Round 1 - Page 3

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Railz
Profile Joined July 2008
United States1449 Posts
November 13 2008 18:09 GMT
#41
peak elo incoming from oov. Hold on to your hats.
Did the whole world just get a lot smaller and go whooosh?_-` Number 0ne By.Fantasy Fanatic!
IPS.ZeRo
Profile Joined April 2003
Germany1142 Posts
November 13 2008 18:13 GMT
#42
On November 14 2008 02:25 LonelyMargarita wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 13 2008 18:17 Velr wrote:
... did not even notice this until now... sick :D...

waiting vor possible oov/boxer/nada/july/xellos-games :D...

Get da oldschool going.


All we need now to get things back to the good times is return of the Mantoss and real Yellow :p.


This is why I hate the new rule this season. Since you need to send 1 of each race in the first 4 matches, the old schoolers (who are not at the top of the team) basically never get to play. Take CJ. Strong zerg team, mid-range terran, slumping toss at the moment. They HAVE to send Much or Movie for a game, which is likely a loss, plus they can only send 2 of their zergs, so they have to hope for the terran to win. That means they really have no choice but their top terran every time, Iris. If they could send 2 zergs and 2 terrans or 3 zergs and a terran, they could obviously risk sending XellOs, assuming the other 3 would get the win. But with the new rule, they will send sAviOr, EffOrt, Iris, and Much/Movie basically every time, unless someone is training for individual leagues (e.g. no sAviOr on Saturday).

It also tends to lend itself to more of the same matchups on each specific map. Each night usually ends up 3/4 to 4/4 mirrors, or no mirrors. Whereas under the old system you could risk sending out another terran on a usually non-terran map to snipe a zerg or toss, you cannot take that terran away from one of the terran maps. If there are no mirrors, it will be the same matchups, like Raid Assault: ZvZ on mirror night, TvZ on non-mirror night. Maps always did tend to have a couple match-ups most of the time, but now there is even more incentive to only send a certain race or matchup to each map.


if you look at the 40 matches presented in this thread, 12 of those are mirrors. I know that its more sometimes, but its not as bad as you say it is.
aka DTF-ZeRo
mog87
Profile Joined October 2008
United States1586 Posts
November 13 2008 18:41 GMT
#43
I'd just like to point out Tempest isn't garbage. Hes pretty fun to watch because hell either play great like vs Best or hilariously like vs Xellos on GOMTV(game 2 was hilarious, and he still won the set).
And for skt1 midas will return to form as usual, and canata will win TvTs as usual.
Carefree
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States1571 Posts
November 13 2008 22:40 GMT
#44
I
LOVE
OOV

OOV

OMG.

IloveIloveoov!!
DebOnAire - 「 Bisu[Shield] 」
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 14 2008 00:48 GMT
#45
On November 14 2008 03:04 Sunyveil wrote:If you're saying that SKT is being hurt the most by the new rules, you're not going out on a limb at all.

Anyway, I just wanted to point out something. Lecaf, despite having a really good set of 4 or 5 top players (at least relative to other teams, try finding somebody better than BackHo that's forced to play every day), have nobody else. All of their other Zerg (other than JD) and Protoss players are unbearably horrible.


This begs the question of how Lecaf will do when it gets to the playoffs, and things go to a Bo7 format (I'm assuming things will still be Bo7 in the playoffs).

It also means that if SKT1 can hold on until the playoffs, they should post better results, since their auto-lose games (T1 Zergs, I'm looking at you) will have less of an effect on the outcome of the matches.
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pachi
Profile Joined October 2006
Melbourne5338 Posts
November 14 2008 01:00 GMT
#46
Playoffs are in a year. This round is only a fifth of the proleague season.
Moderatorpachi fanclub http://goto.tl/6DI9 。◕‿◕。
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-14 01:04:59
November 14 2008 01:04 GMT
#47
On November 14 2008 10:00 pachi wrote:
Playoffs are in a year. This round is only a fifth of the proleague season.


True, but that doesn't make the playoffs less significant. Being first throughout the season only gets you so far in the playoffs.
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baubo
Profile Joined September 2008
China3370 Posts
November 14 2008 02:50 GMT
#48
On November 14 2008 02:58 jwd241224 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2008 02:50 baubo wrote:
On November 14 2008 02:25 LonelyMargarita wrote:
On November 13 2008 18:17 Velr wrote:
... did not even notice this until now... sick :D...

waiting vor possible oov/boxer/nada/july/xellos-games :D...

Get da oldschool going.


All we need now to get things back to the good times is return of the Mantoss and real Yellow :p.


This is why I hate the new rule this season. Since you need to send 1 of each race in the first 4 matches, the old schoolers (who are not at the top of the team) basically never get to play. Take CJ. Strong zerg team, mid-range terran, slumping toss at the moment. They HAVE to send Much or Movie for a game, which is likely a loss, plus they can only send 2 of their zergs, so they have to hope for the terran to win. That means they really have no choice but their top terran every time, Iris. If they could send 2 zergs and 2 terrans or 3 zergs and a terran, they could obviously risk sending XellOs, assuming the other 3 would get the win. But with the new rule, they will send sAviOr, EffOrt, Iris, and Much/Movie basically every time, unless someone is training for individual leagues (e.g. no sAviOr on Saturday).


Sorry, but as a CJ fan you cannot blame the new rules on your team's problems. If anything, CJ has a fairly balanced team with Much, Iris, and Memory to support its zergs.

The rules hurt all teams. KTF has to send out lame tosses like Lucifer and Tempest. Lecaf the same with the amazing Backho. Sparkyz has freaking Chalrenge. And you think CJ has it tough with Much!? Samsung also has to deal with absolutely fresh nobodies to put for its zegs. You think anyone has heard of by.great or juni before?


by.great is destroying shit this season...top 10 record in PL. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the team most screwed by the new rules has been SK T1, simply because they lack any good Zergs or Terrans all of a sudden. Canata can't win, Midas just totally fell of the map after getting destroyed by BeSt in the OSL...that leaves us with oov. The Zergs, well, I don't even have to go into that.


I love by.great. But that doesn't take away from the fact that before this season, NO ONE really knows much about him other than being cannon fodder for Leta in the PL finals. I guess there's something to be said of him actually playing in the finals over Frozean... but he's still a new kid.

My point is that the new rules forces teams to throw inexperienced kids into the fire. Some excel(Khan zergs) and some fuck up(T1 zergs). It's actually kind of refreshing... unless you're a T1 fan of course.

On November 14 2008 03:41 mog87 wrote:
I'd just like to point out Tempest isn't garbage. Hes pretty fun to watch because hell either play great like vs Best or hilariously like vs Xellos on GOMTV(game 2 was hilarious, and he still won the set).
And for skt1 midas will return to form as usual, and canata will win TvTs as usual.


Tempest isn't garbage, but he and that other protoss for KTF are both pretty bad in the PL. That said though, KTF has no depth after Luxury and Flash anyway, so I guess the rules don't matter too much for them.
Meh
SpiralArchitect
Profile Blog Joined December 2006
United States2116 Posts
November 14 2008 03:20 GMT
#49
Thanks pachi!
TeamLiquids #1 illiterate writer, writin dem wordz is de hardz.
SilverSkyLark
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
Philippines8437 Posts
November 14 2008 13:50 GMT
#50
Oov and Boxer Hwaiting!!
"If i lost an arm, I would play w3." -IntoTheWow || "Member of Hyuk Hyuk Hyuk cafe. He's the next Jaedong, baby!"
Simplistik
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
2163 Posts
November 14 2008 16:57 GMT
#51
The number of mirrors has gone down quite a bit. Any idea why? Did the teams have time to develop the other races for the maps?
Dear BW Gods, it IS now autumn, so...
Tensai176
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada2061 Posts
November 15 2008 04:42 GMT
#52
On November 14 2008 02:58 jwd241224 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 14 2008 02:50 baubo wrote:
On November 14 2008 02:25 LonelyMargarita wrote:
On November 13 2008 18:17 Velr wrote:
... did not even notice this until now... sick :D...

waiting vor possible oov/boxer/nada/july/xellos-games :D...

Get da oldschool going.


All we need now to get things back to the good times is return of the Mantoss and real Yellow :p.


This is why I hate the new rule this season. Since you need to send 1 of each race in the first 4 matches, the old schoolers (who are not at the top of the team) basically never get to play. Take CJ. Strong zerg team, mid-range terran, slumping toss at the moment. They HAVE to send Much or Movie for a game, which is likely a loss, plus they can only send 2 of their zergs, so they have to hope for the terran to win. That means they really have no choice but their top terran every time, Iris. If they could send 2 zergs and 2 terrans or 3 zergs and a terran, they could obviously risk sending XellOs, assuming the other 3 would get the win. But with the new rule, they will send sAviOr, EffOrt, Iris, and Much/Movie basically every time, unless someone is training for individual leagues (e.g. no sAviOr on Saturday).


Sorry, but as a CJ fan you cannot blame the new rules on your team's problems. If anything, CJ has a fairly balanced team with Much, Iris, and Memory to support its zergs.

The rules hurt all teams. KTF has to send out lame tosses like Lucifer and Tempest. Lecaf the same with the amazing Backho. Sparkyz has freaking Chalrenge. And you think CJ has it tough with Much!? Samsung also has to deal with absolutely fresh nobodies to put for its zegs. You think anyone has heard of by.great or juni before?


by.great is destroying shit this season...top 10 record in PL. I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the team most screwed by the new rules has been SK T1, simply because they lack any good Zergs or Terrans all of a sudden. Canata can't win, Midas just totally fell of the map after getting destroyed by BeSt in the OSL...that leaves us with oov. The Zergs, well, I don't even have to go into that.

OK, let's do some stat searching:

(P)BeSt 8-3 (2nd in PL)
(P)Bisu 4-0 (8th in PL)

(T)by.fantasy 5-4 (OK he's not total garbage)

Rest of the team: 1-17 HOLY WTF



Thanks alot for the stats. Holy fuck, I knew bisu and best were carrying the team but god damn.... They better pick up their shit and get their act together.
We see things they'll never see
Kuja900
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
United States3564 Posts
November 15 2008 05:12 GMT
#53
On November 13 2008 17:30 baubo wrote:
Man, T1 is really pulling out all the stops. On a team that only needs to send one terran out per match(since they can send two protosses) and has Canata, Fantasy, and Midas... they have Oov playing? That just seems unreal. Either Oov is now really good, or he has absolutely no confidence in his terrans.



well you have to imagine oov is their harshest critic and it would be no surprise at all if he really is that beastly
OMG you nasty gurl
MrHoon *
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
10183 Posts
November 15 2008 18:24 GMT
#54
it warms my heart to see KTF have a good zerg player
After Chojja and Yellow left it felt so empty
dats racist
Disarray
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States1164 Posts
November 16 2008 02:08 GMT
#55
by.movie over much ?? really ??
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zgl
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States1055 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-11-16 08:17:45
November 16 2008 08:16 GMT
#56
Can't wait for OOOOVVVVV
cgrinker
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States3824 Posts
November 19 2008 06:17 GMT
#57
I was really excited when i saw that oov was playing
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