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I know most of us probably have a friend or two who wants to play BW with us every now and then or whatever. The problem is this, we are somewhat hardcore players and they are the casual noobies that get slaughtered by the dozens everyday with our mouse hand alone.
My friend hasn't played since like 99 and I recently gave him my old CD key and he DL'ed the game off blizz website. He's been playing a lot (rec is like 60-55). But he just sucks and his apm is like 50-60.
So my question is this, How do you play with these people? Do you dumb down your style and just play by his rules? Do you just fuck around every game? Do you give orders throughout the game?
Any tips or advice are welcome.
PS- He usually wants to play BGH games which is even more annoying because I have to carry the team and with enemy having infinite money it is endless. We usually play 2v2 btw.
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Hrm, what I would probably do is just lpay alot of BGH and hunters with him. You'd be surprise how well people get their mechanics down when they do team. Plus it will make you play harder since youl'l have to pick up the slack due to your friend's skil level.
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I have had many experiences in playing with people like this. I constantly try to get my friends into starcraft, so I always end up playing against noobs.
A number of things you can do:
1: Play offrace. This is a great opportunity to get better at offrace anyways, and it'll make you much worse so that they can have an easier time. Just play random.
2: Grind it into their heads that they shouldn't play BGH/fastest. you shouldn't have too hard a time since it looks like you're in the situation of having people WANT to play with you rather than you convince them to play. So tell them you won't play with them unless they play on normal money maps.
3: Play 1v2s, or 1v3s if they're terrible enough.
4: Talk to them while you play, like on ventrilo or in person, give them advice about what they're doing wrong, etc. Tell them WHY they should be doing something. The biggest problem noobs have is figuring out WHY they should be doing X instead of doing Y, and why it is based on what their opponent is doing.
If you do 2v2s ALLIED to one of them, that is much different. That is just painful, i don't know what to say T_T. Good luck 
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Vatican City State1872 Posts
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The funny thing too is that I'll do a standard build and try and attack one of the opponents with him and we can't take them down, I end up being fucked. He has static de all over so they counter me instead and I lose and he goes "You fucking suck" every game.
So should I just play defense mode and just watch him/help him.
Oh and he doesn't wanna play 1v1 or not be on my team if we play together. So, yea.
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GrandInquisitor
New York City13113 Posts
On September 05 2008 09:06 CharlieMurphy wrote:
The funny thing too is that I'll do a standard build and try and attack one of the opponents with him and we can't take them down, I end up being fucked. He has static de all over so they counter me instead and I lose and he goes "You fucking suck" every game.
So should I just play defense mode and just watch him/help him.
Oh and he doesn't wanna play 1v1 or not be on my team if we play together. So, yea.
This sounds like a pretty shitty friend.
EDIT: If you want to 1v1, all sorts of fun stuff. 1v2, but you with 2 bases to start; 1v1 with vision to him; etc. etc.
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I'd just try giving me some simple him a few simple 2v2 builds, hopefully hes sticking to one race, if not I'd suggest telling he to do that. Then if he does the build wrong give him tips/advice of what he can do better. If hes not willing to learn there is no real point in trying, so just play with him for fun, and if its not fun then there is no real point to playing at all. If hes trying to learn and get better then keep playing.
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I have the exact same problem. And since ive been encouragin 1v1, some of them are quitting cuz its too much rape from my side So they play against themselves. What i really cant handle is when I sit next to them, and tell em they should do this or that to counter what the opponent is doing, and they just dont care. They just want to play for fun, not competitivity -_-
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hmm, those handicap ideas sound fun. Got any more weird ones I can try?
EDIT- are there any UMS melee maps that have handicaps and fun shit like this? That would be cool.
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I usually make them play vs comps on blood bath and have buildorder competition. As in who has the best score with the same BO and stuff like that. When they get the build order down (takes like 10games) you go on and play 2:2 hunters and tell them to go by that BO and you will fare suprisingly good. Granted that you learn them some decent hunters build order in the first place.
Then I rape them with queens+broodling in 1:1 and they quit. 
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Russian Federation386 Posts
I usually play with my noob friend (he started only a couple of months ago) and he plays terribly. I give advice on BO, unit composition, timing, macro, etc, but it takes a while before he stats doing what I say. Untill recently he played without hotkeys at all O_O!! We play 1v1 thanks God though...
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1) Find maps that he likes and play them, but don't be afraid to suggest new maps and help him learn them once a week.
2) Noob stomp with them! Go on bnet, host games like "2 vs 2 noobs gogogo" and just let yr friend have fun and help bring their confidence up. Don't do this too much, but it can be fun for them.
3) See if they are down for watching replays of exciting games. Help them learn what is going on.
4) Play them. If they love the game, they will probably be down for playing you.
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Oh yeah I know what you mean. I have a friend in school who I always knew was asian (obv) but recently I found out he was South Korean so I asked him about SC and of course he knew about it. However it's a good thing I was careful because we were talking about our accounts and when I told him I had one account with 200 games he was like, "woah man you must be mega hard core." Good thing I didn't tell him about my account with about 2.5k games.... and I haven't even played on it in the last year.
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lol Jonoman, you sure he wasn't being sarcastic? You can build up 200 in a month, easy.
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get more shitty friends and play a free-for-all on BGH.
its pretty fun, especially at LAN where you can scream in their faces.
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Me and my buddies have a "Friday Night SC" thing where we just get together on B.Net and play Phantom or some other stupid game.
You don't really have to play melee unless they REALLY want to, I find that playing maps that really don't require micro/macro (Nexus Destroyers, Defense maps, w/e) is much more enjoyable to everybody. 
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My brothers and i play KOTHs like a lot. Except were all about D+, but yeah those are my irl people i play with. Um my older brother has a bunch of noob friends, and i just offrace them. Except one, Jimmy, goes like WTF PLAY ME 4 REAL
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I've never had a friend not give up on melee within 2-3 months no matter my approach, so I really dont know the answer
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you can play with a probe per base limit, which would hopefully cut your income to the point where it cancels out your other mechanics and gives your friend some what of a chance
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I find it's easier if you have more than one friend so they have someone else to play against. To start out, you play against a good friend and have them observe. The game is much cooler watching two good people duke it out. Then you teach them the BO you used (ex. FE into speedzeals) since they are more eager learning it once they've seen it in action. You get the two weaker players who were observing to play. Observe them play and go over the replay with them and point out things.
Go and play some UMS, say Team Micro Melee with the good players as builders, and enjoy yourselves. Break for a while and let them try the BOs on other players on bnet that they could beat or against some of your other weaker friends.
When they get better you can offrace and try against them.
This worked the best for me so hopefully you have more than one friend willing to try SC out.
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