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[Fin]Vittu
Canada507 Posts
People say although you game a lot by owning those people you cannot get better and rather your skill stays at a plateau. Is it true that by losing 20+ games in a row that you are actually getting better and not receiving signs from god that you should quit sc? | ||
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clazziquai
6685 Posts
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Purind
Canada3562 Posts
I think you can learn even by playing worse players, as long as they're close enough to you that they can take a game from you at any moment | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
Play pros to get raped and have them criticize you Play people your level and win/lose half the time to push your limits Play people below your level to test out new ideas and to keep confidence | ||
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evanthebouncy!
United States12796 Posts
The tussle theory is something I thought up, basically it says that the game is an experience, and you gain from the experience. If you play player that is so good they kill you in 5 minutes, there are little experience gained because you have no idea why you lose, and unless they point out something subtle to you, you just feel confused and lost w/o gaining anything useful. If you player a player that is so bad that you can do what ever you want you are not "strained" in any way, and you cannot learn because you are not forced to play at a higher state. These games are mainly for laughs and giggles and egos, but not to improve. If you play a player of your level, it will be a struggle. You will see hopes and lose hopes, you will have to claw every inch of your way to victory, and such endurance will build you to a better player, and forces you to push your gaming just a little more, as it is that little more that pushes a lose to a win, that lets you overpower your opponent. May it be abit more multitask, or more vigorous thinking in game, it will force you to work out. xD | ||
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Blind
United States2528 Posts
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G5
United States2898 Posts
i don't think its a bad thing to get mad at your losses. if i didn't care if i won or lost, i wouldn't have improved as fast as i did. what helped me the most to improve from a D player to a A player is by pushing myself, getting mad at myself and loosing. And I mean LOOOOSING A LOT... the key to loosing is understanding why you lost and fix it the next time you get in such a scenario. This is how you improve, playing players worst then you will help u stay in shape, you will remember hot keys and such but on a general understanding of the game / strategical standpoint, you won't improve at all. Man up and play better players, take your losses like a man or take em like a kid, it doesn't really matter as long as you take losses and realize you did something wrong; and then understand why you lost. good luck and never ever dodge players for then being good. if i have 2 players at A-, 1 with 50/50 record and the other being 80-15, ill play the 80-15 guy every time. do the same and try to improve your game (if you care about improving at all). once again, good luck~ G5 | ||
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gg_hertzz
2152 Posts
Losing just makes you a better player, but only if you know why you lost and work to get better. Losing by itself, of course, doesn't do jackshit but scare you into playing lesser players. But people who constantly challenge themselves, and learn from their losses and mistakes, are always guaranteed to become better in the long run. That goes for SC and life. | ||
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Archaic
United States4024 Posts
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ilovejonn
Canada2548 Posts
If you just mass game against noobs where you always win, you'll think to yourself, whatever I won anyways even though I had some mistakes, who cares. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
Would you wanna play a single player console game where it was actually impossible to lose? Or close to it? Of course not. Drop your stupid ego and start playing this game for fun, not for pride (because unless you're competing among the best, no one gives a fuck what your win rate is). i admit that by not challenging myself and playing better opponents that I've not been able to reach my potential. LOL, even when you're admitting you played games with people worse than you to save your ego, you're saving your ego by saying you'd be much better 'if only I'd tried.' It makes it very difficult to see if you've learned or not. | ||
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yoshtodd
United States418 Posts
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ForAdun
Germany986 Posts
Losing itself doesn't make you better at all. It's the 3 golden A's - awareness, attention, action - that make you better, and in order to get them started you first have to lose, because only then you can be aware of a weakness. Given that you don't ignore it (like everyone likes to do, the hardest part is not to ignore it) and instead pay attention you can take action which goes as following: see, understand, solve. That's the easier part since it only takes brain activity and gaming, your ego is not involved. This as a whole is just a theoretical example and it only describes the ideal case. Much more often you will get to face quite a few weaknesses at the same time and if that pressures you it can easily make you ignore the facts after you told yourself it's alright you're still the better player and you simply had bad luck - actually nothing but an approach to stay mentally healthy, so it's not a bad thing at all, it's just standing between you and your improvement. We all like to do that, I like to do that. The more you want to improve the harder it gets not to do it. In the end there's only one advice I can give you in any case: stay real, heads up and do not join the dark side of the force. | ||
KwarK
United States42605 Posts
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gg_hertzz
2152 Posts
On June 19 2008 07:13 PsycHOTemplar wrote: How is it fun to play people who are worse than you? It's like playing any game that's too easy, you'll just get bored. Would you wanna play a single player console game where it was actually impossible to lose? Or close to it? Of course not. Drop your stupid ego and start playing this game for fun, not for pride (because unless you're competing among the best, no one gives a fuck what your win rate is). LOL, even when you're admitting you played games with people worse than you to save your ego, you're saving your ego by saying you'd be much better 'if only I'd tried.' It makes it very difficult to see if you've learned or not. lulz? i play to pass the time, not to compete? WTF are you criticizing me for? It's just a fucking game donkey. | ||
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[Fin]Vittu
Canada507 Posts
On June 19 2008 09:42 Kwark wrote: Playing people your own level makes you better eh Evan? how'd you know my name? :0 | ||
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KwarK
United States42605 Posts
Level 18 internet skills. Takes a lot of grinding but it's times like this that make it all worthwhile. Amazing the new guys with your 1337 special abilities and rare armour. | ||
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Seraphim
United States4467 Posts
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KwarK
United States42605 Posts
On June 19 2008 10:19 Seraphim wrote: I think he was talking to evanthebouncey~ haha Whatever you say John. | ||
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ScarFace
United States1175 Posts
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yn01_
Canada149 Posts
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kyjori
371 Posts
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Chef
10810 Posts
It's just a fucking game donkey. I'm not the fish playing the SC penny tables LOL | ||
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anotak
United States1537 Posts
for example i lose because of: bad timing, bad macro, bad game sense, bad scouting | ||
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zer0das
United States8519 Posts
Still not great and never will be, but I'm leagues better than I used to be. And prior to that I had a buddy I'd play with and he'd beat me like 90% of the time... I'm at the point where I win about as much as I lose (I started winning more than I lost, but my skill increase has led to his skills increasing so it's a vicious cycle.  ). I started getting to that point before trying ICCUP, but it's kept me competitive against him even though he's been improving. | ||
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Gaetele
Esper760 Posts
You can't just practice mindlessly and get better at the game - Starcraft requires deep thought in order to get better. I'm being extremely hypocritical when I say this - I play maybe one game every month or so and I just play it for the sake of playing. That's probably why I suck. Actually, that is why I suck. | ||
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gg_hertzz
2152 Posts
On June 19 2008 11:37 PsycHOTemplar wrote: I'm not the fish playing the SC penny tables LOL Nah, you're just a kid with a chip on his shoulders. | ||
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17726 Posts
On June 19 2008 12:56 zer0das wrote: I think I've gained more from playing ICCUP for three months than I did from playing the game for the past ten years (on and off). I was like 5-15 in my first twenty games, and lost to players with like half my apm (and my apm is pretty close to the bottom of ICCUP). Still not great and never will be, but I'm leagues better than I used to be. And prior to that I had a buddy I'd play with and he'd beat me like 90% of the time... I'm at the point where I win about as much as I lose (I started winning more than I lost, but my skill increase has led to his skills increasing so it's a vicious cycle. ). I started getting to that point before trying ICCUP, but it's kept me competitive against him even though he's been improving.Yes when pgt was still alive my i improved more in 20 games on pgt than i had in the thousands of games I played on bnet. i remember going like 0-11 on my first few days  and than something clicked after watching my reps focusing on my macro mistakes and got confidence and got 6-13. On June 19 2008 10:51 kyjori wrote: i hate losing. i never save replays where i lose on bnet. unfortunately on iccup, i dont have a choice T_T You know you can turn off autorep? | ||
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Quanticfograw
United States2053 Posts
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ForAdun
Germany986 Posts
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HamerD
United Kingdom1922 Posts
On June 18 2008 14:21 gg_hertzz wrote: losing is like medicine. it tastes like shit and sometimes hard to swallow, but you need it to get better. sick analogy (no pun intended) | ||
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SchOOl_VicTIm
Greece2394 Posts
an other thing is that when you play better people you tend to really stress yourself to perform better than usual in order to keep up and actually seeing yourself performing better than usual is always a thing that lifts you up and gives you motivation to continue. | ||
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RaiZ
2813 Posts
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Goosey
United States695 Posts
On June 20 2008 03:18 RaiZ wrote: Wtf ? No matter how many times you lose, be it against pros or newbies, if you don't understand why you're losing then you won't improve at all period. If you don't analyze your play to understand why you win/lose you won't improve period; regardless of if your winning or losing. | ||
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ForAdun
Germany986 Posts
w/e I'm just posting again because I'd like to add that when playing gosus who have like 20-3 stats is the absolute best that can happen to you no matter what the result is going to be, I can tell from my own experience that every time you beat them you feel like the god of all gods. | ||
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jjun212
Canada2208 Posts
im thinkin about floyd mayweather jr | ||
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KwarK
United States42605 Posts
On June 20 2008 03:56 Goosey wrote: If you don't analyze your play to understand why you win/lose you won't improve period; regardless of if your winning or losing. I don't really analyse my play and I never watch my reps alone. I just don't especially enjoy that aspect of my play and if I lose the fun then I lose motivation and therefore skill. I find practice and just building upon whatever works effective. | ||
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Lisk
Latvia376 Posts
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BlackStar
Netherlands3029 Posts
But you aren't going to improve if you win. When I win I am just satisfied. When I lose I am not angry, but I want to try harder and improve. | ||
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DamageControL
United States4222 Posts
On June 20 2008 04:42 BlackStar wrote: Yeah, i know the feeling. I am always like, RE, or if its on iccup, I'll hunt down another opponent. I'm lame ^^I can't stop playing until I win. But you aren't going to improve if you win. When I win I am just satisfied. When I lose I am not angry, but I want to try harder and improve. | ||
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friendofsam
Ireland9 Posts
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EGMachine
United States1643 Posts
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NotSupporting
Sweden1998 Posts
On June 20 2008 04:37 Lisk wrote: I can usually see/feel why I'm losing during the game. Same here, but I always look at the replay in high speed afterwards to see if there is anything I missed. | ||
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Chef
10810 Posts
what happens when u never lose? lol does that mean u cant get better? does it matter? That means you should move to Korea, duh. | ||
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Goosey
United States695 Posts
On June 20 2008 04:44 DamageControL wrote: Yeah, i know the feeling. I am always like, RE, or if its on iccup, I'll hunt down another opponent. I'm lame ^^ LOL yes I always try to end my nights on a win. Some nights this is impossible since it sets of the combination of getting more tired makes me play worse plus it is the correct time for all opponents to be Korean so the general level of play is higher.. | ||
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aTnClouD
Italy2428 Posts
The only suggestion I can give you about getting better is to play both ladder and bnet games and go to as many lans as possible. These are all different environments and help you improving in different aspects. | ||
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