On August 22 2003 21:23 Ion)Positive wrote:
True story: I expected Nada to give yellow the win so I voted for yellow. Uh huh. Yup, I saw it coming a mile a way.

No lie.

Same. I even posted "I hope they made an agreement to let Yellow win" before the match hehe.

x[ReaPeR]x

United States3447 Posts

August 22 2003 22:09 GMT

#62

On August 23 2003 04:16 GundamVX wrote:
Sorry Wax, the part about Chojja being involved was from another post.

There are a lot of reasons why I feel that NaDa threw the game.

1) KTF management is strict
I've heard numerous times that the management of KTF is strict. It very well could've been decided that NaDa was to lose to Yellow (by the manager), and these players would have no way of disagreeing.

2) NaDa and Yellow are close & Yellow is NaDa's senior
I've heard this numerous times before, and also Yellow is NaDa's 'senior' on the team. It would be considered BM for NaDa to crush Yellow knowing that it would eliminate him from the tournament. You just don't do that to a close senior (in Korea, that is).

3) They are practice partners
They probably practiced how Yellow would beat NaDa without making it look like NaDa threw away the game completely. They had a week to prepare for this game, very well could've scripted a scenario at the office.

4) Moving out w/ marines w/o medics
Even the commentators said that moving out w/o medics was a bad idea. They said they couldn't understand why he did that, and I couldn't understand either. After NaDa made that 'mistake' he micro'd his marines so that they didn't all die (although they could've) which means he's capable of better play and could've done better if he wanted to. Cancelling his second barracks was also fishy as it was almost finished (although he might've wanted it to be secret and had his cover blown by the overlord). The floating factory was also a questionable tactic. The late starport and no tank support also left many people wondering, 'Why?'.

1. Read Mynock's interview with Elky and learn why they are assholes. Nada should leave KTF and join another Team (maybe Hanbit or AMD), but I think he should get the fuck out of KTF. To me they are turning into another IS.

2. Nada did it before in the Panasonic OGN.

3. They did a damn bad job then considering how obvious it was that it was rigged.

4. See above.

amat

United States1788 Posts

August 22 2003 23:36 GMT

#63

Best zerg in the world beats a terran... Yeah, it was fixed

i_R_nEWbiE

United States28 Posts

August 23 2003 00:15 GMT

#64

If Xellos and Boxer can own Yellow, it follows that Nada should as well!@

Liquid`Jinro

Sweden33719 Posts

August 23 2003 01:49 GMT

#65

On August 23 2003 09:15 i_R_nEWbiE wrote:
If Xellos and Boxer can own Yellow, it follows that Nada should as well!@

Own? Boxer vs Yellow coca cola starleague 2001.
Score: 3-2 in boxers favour.
Xellos vs Yellow Olympus starleague 2003.
Score 3-2 in xellos favour.
THAT is not own -_-

And reaper stop sounding like you know EVERYTHING? Your posts... so arrogant ;(

LaptopLegacy

Netherlands602 Posts

August 23 2003 01:53 GMT

#66

When they viewed a part of the replay after the game, they showed Nada cancelling his hidden rax before Yellows lord was even in his sight, right? Or did i just misjudge the SCV sight range :S

Amnesty

United States2054 Posts

August 23 2003 02:05 GMT

#67

No way they could collabarate that live.

Nada musta have seen the lord.

Could some elaborate a bit more on nada leaving just before medics?

I see a lot player do this. They head in there nat just before medics.
Then the medics catchup then they move out further.

STIMEY d okgm fish

Canada6140 Posts

August 23 2003 07:52 GMT

#68

gfd ... if nada didnt do that shit i would be 8-0 in my picks since making a new account.

mensrea

Canada5062 Posts

August 23 2003 10:29 GMT

#69

Waxangel did a very good job of going through the various scenarios - but I'm puzzled by his conclusions.

Wax basically concludes that even if Nada lost on purpose, KTF's chances of advancing at least ONE player is about as unlikely as getting BOTH of them in. I can't disagree more. I don't have time to go into the probabilities, but trust me KTF lost very little by having Nada lose to Yellow. What they essentially did by throwing the Nada v Yellow game was to get re-matches for Nada and Yellow v players they are fairly certain they can beat.

And Wax, you need to consider some things before you start making callous comments like "well, there are no rules that you have to try." If SC is going to be taken seriously it can't allow games to be thrown. If you can't see the reasons why, then I have no idea why you're even a fan.

Liquid`Ret

Netherlands4520 Posts

August 23 2003 10:51 GMT

#70

mensrea, I don't understand why you are always so harsch towards Waxangel.

Liquid`Ret

Netherlands4520 Posts

August 23 2003 10:52 GMT

#71

Of course Wax doesnt mean that it's ok to not try if he says something like 'well there are no rules that you have to try' , he is just moving himself into what the players could've thought.

IntoTheDrain

Australia46 Posts

August 23 2003 11:00 GMT

#72

I think Wax has good reasons to say everything he said in his post. I'm sure he has considered certain things before reaching his conclusion and they're his opinions You're so subtly vindictive it's starting to sound pathetic.

IntoTheDrain

Australia46 Posts

August 23 2003 11:00 GMT

#73

oops i was talking to Mensrea btw

mensrea

Canada5062 Posts

August 23 2003 11:11 GMT

#74

On August 23 2003 20:00 IntoTheDrain wrote:
I think Wax has good reasons to say everything he said in his post. I'm sure he has considered certain things before reaching his conclusion and they're his opinions You're so subtly vindictive it's starting to sound pathetic.

1) This particular exchange between me and Wax started because of a misunderstanding - which has now been cleared up thx to Bill Gates-powered technology.

2) Stay out of other people's conversations. You don't know the full story. As it is now, you're the one who sounds pathetic.

3) You wanna see vindictive, try me again and see what happens.

Liquid`Ret

Netherlands4520 Posts

August 23 2003 11:35 GMT

#75

If you post something on a forum it's ment to be discussed by many ppl on the forum , that's all I wanna add to that.

NeoIllusions

United States37500 Posts

August 23 2003 11:41 GMT

#76

Such hostilities mensrea... this is so not like you.

mensrea

Canada5062 Posts

August 23 2003 11:47 GMT

#77

ret,

I understand your concern. And, of course, you are right: things posted on the forum are meant to be discussed by all. I stand corrected.

But, IntoTheDrain has been a heckler for a long time (since my BW.com days). What he posts may sound innocent enough to everyone else, but is quite the opposite in fact. I my reasons to ask him to stay out of my "conversation" with Wax. Anyway, there's a history behind this and I can only ask that you trust my judgment on this and give me the benefit of the doubt.

And, I prefer not to discuss in public your questions about me and Wax. It's no big deal and we laugh about it every once in a while - usually after we've called each other a bunch of dirty names. Suffice it to say tho that the "harshness" does not flow just one way. If you're REALLY, REALLY curious and just HAVE TO KNOW - then get my msn from someone and I'll oblige.

Take care.