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Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
August 22 2003 14:18 GMT
#41
I think he gave it away

he has given away games before and today he had all the more reason to do so again.

plus leaving your base with marines while 1 second later you'd have medics with them?
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PoP
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
France15446 Posts
August 22 2003 14:24 GMT
#42
I think he just didn't like the fact he could eliminate his team partner and didn't manage/want to play his best...
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Grotfang
Profile Joined May 2003
Belgium490 Posts
August 22 2003 14:24 GMT
#43
On August 22 2003 20:31 mindspike wrote: Grotfang nobody said losing to yellow is playing like a newb
when you are trying to argue a point dont assume that the other side is retarded


You're right, next time i'll give you more credit sorry. But i'm pretty sure i heard multiple people say "nada played so chobo omfg" and other remarks like that

On August 22 2003 20:51 Asta wrote:
player a attacks player b with m&m. he loses about 6 marines + medics to a couple of lings. shortly after that, player b attacks with some lurks and lings and player a has got around 12 m&ms and no tech to defend. not even a bunker. player a dies.
does that sound like a match between 2 pros?


Well yeah, i honestly do think nada was trying. You're forgetting what happened between "shortly after that".. nada mada a double attack move bursting through yellow's sunken colonies with his m&m, while at the same time building up vultures to threaten the other drones.. yellow just handled it in an incredible way killing all of those marines with some freshly spawned zerglings and instantly retreating all of his drones from the vulture threat instead of losing mass drones

I don't know how nada thinks during a game, i wish i did, but let's just say.. nada was expecting his m&m to survive longer and didn't feel like blowing his cash on defenses? maybe he was so busy microing and thinking of the best target to attack with his troops that he didn't anticipate losing them all and having to defend his base? (he didn't even have an expansion yet i think, then you're not exactly thinking about getting bunkers to avoid getting killed..)

all of this stuff sounds much more reasonable than nada losing on purpose imho
No plz only LT.. no not TvT.. no.. ok cancel?
Grotfang
Profile Joined May 2003
Belgium490 Posts
August 22 2003 14:29 GMT
#44
On August 22 2003 23:18 [pG]Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
I think he gave it away

he has given away games before and today he had all the more reason to do so again.

plus leaving your base with marines while 1 second later you'd have medics with them?


ok so that's basicly the really fishy move.. but maybe he just misjudged (he probably only saw the lings in a flash) how many zerglings it were, and he thought "i'll get myself a few free lings before they run away"

medics don't make that much difference when fighting zlings do they?

when i see those progamers play, it doesn't appear to me as if they're the most patient people in the world
No plz only LT.. no not TvT.. no.. ok cancel?
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
August 22 2003 14:34 GMT
#45
you know that:

someone can TRY, and play GOOD, while still giving a game away on purpose
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Grotfang
Profile Joined May 2003
Belgium490 Posts
August 22 2003 15:20 GMT
#46
hell, maybe i'm just wrong.. i wish we could hit the "REVEAL THE TRUTH"-button right about now and see who was right
No plz only LT.. no not TvT.. no.. ok cancel?
x[ReaPeR]x
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3447 Posts
August 22 2003 15:31 GMT
#47
Haha, yeah. The rule Beamo made kicks ass, it should seriously be put in.

Also, I officially don't like KTF now, bastards. Ruined my Liquibet.
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Gryffindor_us
Profile Blog Joined November 2002
United States5606 Posts
August 22 2003 15:45 GMT
#48
NaDa and Yellow are close friends from what ive seen(cafe's etc) and heard. I wouldn't be suprised if NaDa lost on purpose or if it was vice versa. Look ive seen NaDa play at least as much as all of you and probably more for some of you. The marines dying to so little lings, and the micro was ATROCIOUS, and so let me put it in clear for you. NaDa doesn't make mistakes like that, this would be the first time ever probably EVER seen him make a mistake like that. Then after he broke through the sunkens I thought it was like he walked right into the lings. It was just way to "fishy" and non NaDa like. Oh well we will see what happens, it may prove to be his folly.
Remember 11-12-04. 이윤열 ~. |||| ZerO, IriS, JangBi, Stork, BackHo! Mah Jae Yoon is no longer a feared entity.
Beamo
Profile Joined March 2003
France1279 Posts
August 22 2003 15:57 GMT
#49
Hmmm...

I didn't make that rule up

It's used in table tennis competitions for exemple when people from the same club are in the same group.

And I'm sure most individual sports where the players belong to a club or a team have the same rule. Even at low compitition level


Now all Nal_Ra has to do is kick Nada's ass next week. He'll ne sure to be qualified and we'll be able to see if yellow throws the game away vs Chojja or not
ky[Z]
Profile Joined January 2003
China1730 Posts
August 22 2003 16:09 GMT
#50
whatever the plan was between the nada and yellow, they better pray it works out, if not, nada will be crying when hes outthe first round again :O
Terran is SOoOo over-powered~!! Especially in TvT~!
NoName
Profile Joined October 2002
United States1558 Posts
August 22 2003 16:48 GMT
#51
beamo: I know tournaments that are round robin or swiss pairing formats usually have a rule that each player must play their hardest to win every match, without regard to other players rankings or position.

Otherwise you would have the situation of someone tempted to throw a match to a friend, if they are already guaranteed a particular place, or to throw a match to a weak player, if my doing so it might knock out a strong player from a later stage.
Wam-bam-ba-boom! Bada-bing!
x[ReaPeR]x
Profile Joined February 2003
United States3447 Posts
August 22 2003 17:21 GMT
#52
On August 23 2003 00:45 Gryffindor_us wrote:
NaDa and Yellow are close friends from what ive seen(cafe's etc) and heard. I wouldn't be suprised if NaDa lost on purpose or if it was vice versa. Look ive seen NaDa play at least as much as all of you and probably more for some of you. The marines dying to so little lings, and the micro was ATROCIOUS, and so let me put it in clear for you. NaDa doesn't make mistakes like that, this would be the first time ever probably EVER seen him make a mistake like that. Then after he broke through the sunkens I thought it was like he walked right into the lings. It was just way to "fishy" and non NaDa like. Oh well we will see what happens, it may prove to be his folly.


Friends or no friends it's still bullshit. It fucks over the fans who wanted to see a good game. And it fucks over the other players who do the best they can and then have to play still more games because otherones were being rigged.

I essentially blame two people for this:

- Nada, he is being so GM it is killing him. I hope Nal_Ra beats him and then Nada is eliminated from the first round again. Whether or not you want to think BoxeR is a bastard for it or not he does whatever it takes to win when he feels like doing so. Another reason why he is the Terran Emperor and Nada is not.

- I think KTF might have played a part in this. It is possible that they wanted Nada and YellOw to advance so their players would appear more. If this is true than 'fuck KTF, fuck them up their stupid asses.'

The other reason I am pissed is because I voted for Nada in Liquibet. Nada should have raped YellOw so bad...
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Casper...
Profile Joined October 2002
Liberia4948 Posts
August 22 2003 17:45 GMT
#53
your liquibet points are irrelevant.
stuff like this happens in tournaments all the time.
it's no big deal.
they still put on a decent game for the fans.
it's nada's risk to take.
if he gets eliminated, he'll have nobody to blame but himself.
there is no I in team.
JAM THE FUCKER!
NeoIllusions
Profile Blog Joined December 2002
United States37500 Posts
August 22 2003 18:18 GMT
#54
Agreed. Heh, Casper's on a roll today.
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AlaNtIs
Profile Joined August 2003
United Kingdom5 Posts
August 22 2003 18:22 GMT
#55
Hey Nazgul, have you ever threw a game in the leagues yet?

Just wonderin how it feels to be ... a thrower gamer.. i dont know the right word..
Refrain[FriZ]
Profile Joined June 2003
Canada4337 Posts
August 22 2003 18:27 GMT
#56
I agree with Reaper's last post. It's gay if players don't try their hardest every game no matter what.
GundamVX
Profile Joined June 2003
United States1025 Posts
August 22 2003 19:16 GMT
#57
Sorry Wax, the part about Chojja being involved was from another post.

There are a lot of reasons why I feel that NaDa threw the game.

1) KTF management is strict
I've heard numerous times that the management of KTF is strict. It very well could've been decided that NaDa was to lose to Yellow (by the manager), and these players would have no way of disagreeing.

2) NaDa and Yellow are close & Yellow is NaDa's senior
I've heard this numerous times before, and also Yellow is NaDa's 'senior' on the team. It would be considered BM for NaDa to crush Yellow knowing that it would eliminate him from the tournament. You just don't do that to a close senior (in Korea, that is).

3) They are practice partners
They probably practiced how Yellow would beat NaDa without making it look like NaDa threw away the game completely. They had a week to prepare for this game, very well could've scripted a scenario at the office.

4) Moving out w/ marines w/o medics
Even the commentators said that moving out w/o medics was a bad idea. They said they couldn't understand why he did that, and I couldn't understand either. After NaDa made that 'mistake' he micro'd his marines so that they didn't all die (although they could've) which means he's capable of better play and could've done better if he wanted to. Cancelling his second barracks was also fishy as it was almost finished (although he might've wanted it to be secret and had his cover blown by the overlord). The floating factory was also a questionable tactic. The late starport and no tank support also left many people wondering, 'Why?'.
Payt
Profile Joined June 2003
Canada582 Posts
August 22 2003 19:42 GMT
#58
On August 23 2003 03:22 AlaNtIs wrote:
Hey Nazgul, have you ever threw a game in the leagues yet?

Just wonderin how it feels to be ... a thrower gamer.. i dont know the right word..


Game thrower?
[GiTM]-Ace
Profile Joined September 2002
United States4935 Posts
August 22 2003 20:10 GMT
#59
hehe i was thinking the same thing.Yea this game was totally un nada like he prolly threw the game but it doesnt matter b/c he will qualify b/c if anything they can keep throwing games to keep each other alive;)
I may not be the best player right now but I think I can beat any 'best' players. I'll beat all the best players and become the best player. Watch me. - Jju
Yugi
Profile Joined July 2003
Vietnam6 Posts
August 22 2003 20:26 GMT
#60
4/4 in Liquid Bet for me. LOLOLOLOLOL.
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