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Modesty00
Bulgaria263 Posts
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quaristice
174 Posts
On September 30 2026 19:16 Slayer91 wrote: artosis tried it in BSL qualifiers and predictably you just die to muta micro with medicless marines forgive me if i dont have confidence in artosis's ability to implement a build like that | ||
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Kraekkling
748 Posts
On September 30 2026 19:01 LUCKY_NOOB wrote: But ye in chess too its all about human play being the interesting thing. if by that you mean that every single match in e.g. WC candidates is based on preparations by both sides in dozens of openings and past games, where they search up to 20 moves deep (with computers!!!) for new ideas and deviations from previous play to catch each other off-guard, then yes | ||
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LUCKY_NOOB
Bulgaria1600 Posts
On September 30 2026 19:54 Kraekkling wrote: if by that you mean that every single match in e.g. WC candidates is based on preparations by both sides in dozens of openings and past games, where they search up to 20 moves deep (with computers!!!) for new ideas and deviations from previous play to catch each other off-guard, then yes I mean for the viewer. Ofc for analysis its invaluable tool. But if a game is solved and a human cant win dont see how that would be entertaining. | ||
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Mrs Crabbleman
46 Posts
On September 28 2026 18:55 Crimson)S(hadow wrote: mini's video about him 3-0ing pluto, has an ai english track so you can kinda peer into the mind of the highroll build god That auto English dub track is the funniest shit ever. Straight out of Kung Pow Enter the Fist. Ultimately had to turn it back to Korean though because dubs are for nubs. Mini yelling at Larva in Korean sent shivers up my spine. | ||
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Slayer91
Ireland23440 Posts
On September 30 2026 19:30 quaristice wrote: forgive me if i dont have confidence in artosis's ability to implement a build like that Ok so you don't have confidence in one the best foreigners to execute it, you are implying you need to be around pro level to execute it.. so do you have confidence that terran pros never thought of a strat like this and that's why they don't do it? | ||
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines957 Posts
On September 30 2026 20:47 Mrs Crabbleman wrote: That auto English dub track is the funniest shit ever. Straight out of Kung Pow Enter the Fist. Ultimately had to turn it back to Korean though because dubs are for nubs. Mini yelling at Larva in Korean sent shivers up my spine. the banter between korean pros is so hilarious. i wish there were more korean sc subbed content | ||
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SomaBestZerg
6 Posts
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Connor56205
46 Posts
edit: sorry nevermind | ||
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StRyKeR
United States1754 Posts
On September 30 2026 19:15 quaristice wrote: im still kind of wondering about that tvz 1-1-1 medicless marine-vulture-tank-wraith push, i feel like that could be a cheese that humans could do It hinges on holding off 5-6 mutas with 10 marines and a Wraith until you get turrets up. Possible but difficult as a human. Artosis tried it but he played it on Sylphid where you can't build Turrets so he got crushed. | ||
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StRyKeR
United States1754 Posts
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7088 Posts
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Dante08
Singapore4187 Posts
On September 30 2026 22:54 SomaBestZerg wrote: 17,000 viewers watching Last vs Pluto AI right now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mYTbEtSz1OY Wow since when did Last pull that many viewers | ||
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80smullet
Sweden40 Posts
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2Pacalypse-
Croatia9559 Posts
On September 30 2026 23:17 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Man remastered ladder these days full of dischackers and Plutos lol. The era of custom games is coming back or hopefully shieldbattery get more players.. If everyone stopped saying "hopefully shieldbattery gets more players" and just played on shieldbattery themselves, everyone would've moved by now. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7088 Posts
On September 30 2026 23:50 2Pacalypse- wrote: If everyone stopped saying "hopefully shieldbattery gets more players" and just played on shieldbattery themselves, everyone would've moved by now. Is tricky cuz to get a functional ladder in theory 50 players that are active is enough to get it going. But each time i go there to play games i just dont find anyone. :/ | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7088 Posts
On September 30 2026 23:38 Dante08 wrote: Wow since when did Last pull that many viewers Last get many viewers on youtube with his usual streams bashing noobs on Custorm fighting spirit games. But now with pluto youtube is really going strong. | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12257 Posts
On September 30 2026 23:58 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Is tricky cuz to get a functional ladder in theory 50 players that are active is enough to get it going. But each time i go there to play games i just dont find anyone. :/ There are more players now that we added 3v3 and multi-queue, although it's still a tight community. It's useful to declare when you queue in chat so other people know to join. People have gotten used to doing that. | ||
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ArmadA[NaS]
United States350 Posts
On September 30 2026 00:30 KwarK wrote: I think we've more or less exhausted what we can learn from the current iteration of the bot. On the one hand it is abysmal at strategy and has no real understanding of even basic unit counters. And if it hasn't learned them by now from playing itself then it's not clear that it ever will. Things like building placement to limit damage from vultures etc. just aren't a part of its play. On the other hand, it is clear that the advantage given by impossible micro is insurmountable in a standard game (people can cheese the bot but that doesn't teach anything). That makes it difficult to teach the bot because it'll win with inferior strategies and draw the wrong conclusions from them. Zealot/dragoon will beat a human hydra bust and what it'll learn is that those units beat hydras whereas what's actually going on is the human micro can't compete with the AI micro. For it to get better at strategy it needs micro and multitask constraints. That's not knocking the project, I think it's really cool, but it's like a parrot trained to say a few words based on context cues. Once you know how the trick is done you don't need to see it done again. I want to see the next parrot that can hold a conversation. It's perfectly viable to open dragoon zealot vs 973. Power dragoon- it's been an alternative PvZ branch for years. It was even trending for a bit vs 973 since you're more likely to save the forge before +1 completes with your range advantage. | ||
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TT1
Canada10089 Posts
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