[D] Brainstorming a balance patch for Brood war - Page 2

On September 11 2026 09:41 quaristice wrote:
a big reason i and honestly anyone else likes bw is because it hasnt been smoothed down into a small frustration free flavorless ball of nothing created by design-by-comittee that's driven by endless community whining

don't do this

On September 11 2026 00:37 Slayer91 wrote:


Blizzard made balance changes to get to the game the way it is now.. there's no reason to reject changes outright.
What needs to be avoided is anything that can majorly change the game, perhaps an option to select patch as well in custom lobbies so we can always revert to the last good version



Agree, but lower ranked players are probably not going to notice 1 armour on photon cannons, it all depends what the changes are.

In anything, protecting lower rank players from cheesey plays like hydra busts will probably help the enjoyment of games in lower rank lobbies.

Also, the "second tier" of players playing a different game, are already impacted by balance issues that are different than at the pro level, but mild imbalances there can easily be overcome by skill so it's easy to argue that once the game is overall fun it doesn't really matter if the balance is not perfect.

For example, I'm pretty sure it's MUCH easier for P to play against T at B rank than vice versa, but is it really detrimental to the game? Micro adjustments to balance are really for fans to enjoy a pro experience with games that enjoyable to watch and have huge skill expression (people enjoy mirrors less, people don't want to see lots of all-ins because someone can't win a macro game etc)



Balancing with maps is an idea that was born out of desperation, when blizzard would clearly NEVER make any actual balance changes in the game. There are EXTREME measures being taken like putting lowground sections purely to target one specific strat in one matchup (9-7-3 hydra busts).

Even if blizzard would be willing to make changes, the trust in blizzard is low as we can see from the posts here.

Diversity and map making to change the games and tweak the balance is fantastic, but it's not the perfect way all the time.



Endless series of patches sort of requires an actively supported game which BW isn't.



This is completely correct, the protoss changes could be done in a custom map if everyone agreed it was good for the game.

On September 11 2026 13:08 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:
hell nah bro let it sit where it is , I don't have time to relearn a game that's 30 years old, I have more PTSD than printf in SC2 losing his 20k line excel cannon rush cheese dataset. BRO
You don't understand how much I invested in this game as a kid teen, adult, and retired ass old idiot.

BRO, I amma gonna find you and MMA duel you if you actually able to push a damn balance change through.

BRO HELL NO BRO NO NO NO GOD NO Please no .
I have a urge to find you right now to discuss how much you gonna waste my life in drain because of this, even thinking about a balance change at this life cycle of the game is freakishly painful

You want patch go to SC2 and fool around there please. they love it, not here, thank you, much to your kindness, please bro, leave me alone.

On September 11 2026 19:03 c3rberUs wrote:
I love me a balance patch thread.

Dark swarm is the only thing keeping TvZ winrates from sliding even more into Terran favor.

Siege tank range is tricky. It's ridiculous that it can hit units off screen but at the same time Protoss can handle it well before 3/3 upgrades.

Buffing cannons for hydra/ling bust might make cannon rushing too good.

On September 11 2026 13:12 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:


However you wanna suguar coat it , go build UMS map for your god damn BS thoughts, don't touch my shit :S

I am losing my shit,

It ain't up for discussion about BW balance changes!

There's absolutely no room for that BS, if you really want something different look up pr0nogo or something I butchered the ID he has a modded SCBW game with all sort of new units and mechanics, go be him, and leave my toy for 30 year is alone.

Thank you bro.

You are showing absolutely lunacy about removing people's effort over 30 years or so.

I am not up for figurring out a new build order ever and now and then ,there's already openers that I see it I insta GG I can study and learn and overcome it , but I deliberated choose not to, it ain't a balance issue.

Go find some new poison like storm gate, zero space or some trash RTS that is in early days to play with your stupid scale :S called balance, we sit right here stone cold , stone age brood war, best brood war :S bro :S

On September 11 2026 08:37 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:
70 million replay analysis shows that at MMR > 2400, the overall win rates are as follows:

PvT 46.25%
PVZ 47.46%
TvZ 55.73%

ZvT is actually statistically the worst matchup, people just so blinded by soulkey and soma being the godlike outliers. i prefer no balance patches, because why change things now when it has stayed the same for 20 years? balance can already be implented with changing the map pool, but if anything in the matchup should be nerfed, the discussion should be nerfing SCIENCE VESSALS and not DEFILERS

On September 11 2026 20:42 Slayer91 wrote:


This data points to T being slightly strong (ok hardest race to play) and P slightly weak against Z.

It would also explain why there are less top Protoss players and it has always been like this. Historically Protoss has been used to 'Snipe' terrans though!
Zerg popularity makes sense, as it's probably not as hard and punishing to play as terran, but you get a strong matchup against protoss to be balanced by a weaker one against terran.

Not to 'shitty map pools' btw.

I hate science vessels as much as the next zerg but don't pretend they are more OP than defilers!

The overwhelming opinion in this thread is people are absolutely terrified of ruining the game with a bad patch. Very understandable too.
Sad nobody is excited about the possibility of a good patch

I was actually more interested to see what people thought would improve the game balance rather than discussing ACTUALY getting a patch done as this won't happen. As people said it would only happen if driven by the Korean pro scene.

On September 12 2026 04:07 Crimson)S(hadow wrote:


where in the data does it say terran is the hardest race to play, and that playing zerg is not as hard? ZvT (44.27%) winrate is LOWER than PvZ (47.46%), zergs just don't complain because we aren't whiny babies, we just man up and boot up the muta-micro practice map