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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium7176 Posts
On June 28 2026 01:33 quaristice wrote: i want to see what games on odyssey look like so bad im sure it's cursed but we have decades of standard play and we'll have decades more Soulkey vs Light Oddisey game 1 and Katrina remake game 2 https://vod.sooplive.com/player/199794945?change_second=1503 | ||
GTR
51699 Posts
On June 28 2026 08:00 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote: Soulkey vs Light Oddisey game 1 and Katrina remake game 2 https://vod.sooplive.com/player/199794945?change_second=1503 https://vod.sooplive.com/player/199597715?change_second=4788 Sharp (POV) vs Action on Odyssey and Backrooms | ||
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quaristice
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Postalpj
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Postalpj
15 Posts
[QUOTE]On June 26 2026 21:21 Ideas wrote: [QUOTE]On June 26 2026 00:12 FlaShFTW wrote: [QUOTE]On June 25 2026 20:51 Ideas wrote: At the same time, knockout doesn't have places to park overlord left to right (in the middle area) so if you fix that then scouting the long way becomes good (right now 8 rax kills the first overlord because there's no place to hide)[/QUOTE] I would love to see maps without prebuilt spots to just park overlords. You want a free scout at least make them take a slight risk. One side seeing everything vs one side seeing nothing it really dumb | ||
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Lorch
Germany3711 Posts
On June 29 2026 00:25 Postalpj wrote: Gl Protoss, asl will never release strong toss maps. They will just say they are toss maps and watch and aiur loses another Protoss has a people problem, not a map problem. Bisu doesnt have the hunger to win. Snow and Best are choke artists that walk the kong line. Mini plays like a B rank protoss with the mechanics of a pro gamer, I don't see that winning him more than the one championship he already has. Rain would rather play League of Legends than grind enough Starcraft to win another championship. Give tulgod a few more years and we might have some protoss hope again. | ||
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Toshinou-Kyouko
Philippines681 Posts
other than that map pool looks ok. odyssey with the fastest minerals could lead to some fun strats | ||
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Kraekkling
756 Posts
so how many workers are needed for max mining efficiency on 9 fastest mineral patches? cant be more than 12 right | ||
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Sabu113
United States11110 Posts
On June 29 2026 01:13 Lorch wrote: Protoss has a people problem, not a map problem. Bisu doesnt have the hunger to win. Snow and Best are choke artists that walk the kong line. Mini plays like a B rank protoss with the mechanics of a pro gamer, I don't see that winning him more than the one championship he already has. Rain would rather play League of Legends than grind enough Starcraft to win another championship. Give tulgod a few more years and we might have some protoss hope again. Zergs design is just broken. The only toss that has a chance against a Zerg in a bo7 is mini. Toss needs serious continued help just gutting hydra rushes or making them costly somehow, | ||
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A.Alm
Sweden561 Posts
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Lorch
Germany3711 Posts
On June 29 2026 03:32 Sabu113 wrote: Zergs design is just broken. The only toss that has a chance against a Zerg in a bo7 is mini. Toss needs serious continued help just gutting hydra rushes or making them costly somehow, Bisu was 1 game away from taking out Soma in ASL 20. Both him and Snow defeated two Zergs in the Ro8, which were both bo7. Not to mention Best beating Queen in a Bo7 in ASL 19 Ro8 and him loosing to Soulkey in the finals by only 1 map difference. If you think those are bad PvZ results, go watch some vods from 2005/2006 when PvZ was truly at its darkest place in BW history. | ||
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines975 Posts
On June 29 2026 05:25 Lorch wrote: Bisu was 1 game away from taking out Soma in ASL 20. Both him and Snow defeated two Zergs in the Ro8, which were both bo7. Not to mention Best beating Queen in a Bo7 in ASL 19 Ro8 and him loosing to Soulkey in the finals by only 1 map difference. If you think those are bad PvZ results, go watch some vods from 2005/2006 when PvZ was truly at its darkest place in BW history. not to mention Best winning the ultimate battle event tournament a year or two ago, beating even top zergs in 9-game-play-all series on his way to victory | ||
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Kraekkling
756 Posts
TvZ Odyssey, snow map, backrooms | ||
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GTR
51699 Posts
On June 29 2026 15:46 Kraekkling wrote: https://www.youtube.com/live/2o4hs8xa4Mo?t=729 TvZ Odyssey, snow map, backrooms should mention this is rush vs soma | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8201 Posts
On June 28 2026 23:05 quaristice wrote: thank you both! wow that was so bizarre In a way it’s exciting, because it allows for a huge spectrum of balance changes in the future. You could even just have one or two fastest minerals to speed up the mining a little and fine tune a map. It also means that builds timings could become map dependent. Still feels like a jump in the unknown. | ||
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Kraekkling
756 Posts
It also means that builds timings could become map dependent. which is enough to stop most people from wanting to play those specific maps btw 3 series i've seen all tvz lol and every game the Terran went for quick tech while also taking the natural, which I found kind of surprising, since - going tech is constrained by gas income, and gas income on this map is same as usual - going for quick gas means you have to pull workers from the unsaturated mineral stack - the income from the natural expansion is super inefficient, compared to the main - like 30-40% mining efficiency per worker or something? I'm not saying that one should never expand, but the return on investment is very different here, compared to a regular map. If one-base play was in any way viable on regular maps before, it should be buffed on Odyssey by a LOT but on the other hand, Terrans can't make a comsat in their main... and therefore they can't deal with lurkers before vessel... so they're forced into fast vessel I guess | ||
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Crimson)S(hadow
Philippines975 Posts
On June 29 2026 19:21 Kraekkling wrote: which is enough to stop most people from wanting to play those specific maps btw and every game the Terran went for quick tech while also taking the natural, which I found kind of surprising, since - going tech is constrained by gas income, and gas income on this map is same as usual - going for quick gas means you have to pull workers from the unsaturated mineral stack - the income from the natural expansion is super inefficient, compared to the main - like 30-40% mining efficiency per worker or something? I'm not saying that one should never expand, but the return on investment is very different here, compared to a regular map. If one-base play was in any way viable on regular maps before, it should be buffed on Odyssey by a LOT but on the other hand, Terrans can't make a comsat in their main... and therefore they can't deal with lurkers before vessel... so they're forced into fast vessel I guess gonna take some time for people to figure out how to maximize the fastest map mineral stack for their builds... i imagine if brain or byul plays this map they'll show the proper way to abuse the fastest map mineral stack | ||
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Byo
Canada212 Posts
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TMNT
3382 Posts
On June 29 2026 05:25 Lorch wrote: Bisu was 1 game away from taking out Soma in ASL 20. Both him and Snow defeated two Zergs in the Ro8, which were both bo7. Not to mention Best beating Queen in a Bo7 in ASL 19 Ro8 and him loosing to Soulkey in the finals by only 1 map difference. If you think those are bad PvZ results, go watch some vods from 2005/2006 when PvZ was truly at its darkest place in BW history. Bisu was also one Soma's thrown-game away from getting 1-4'd by Soma - if we're going by that logic. There's also no logic in mentioning Bisu and Snow's wins against the likes of Larva and Effort - whose rank are about 5th and 6th in the Zerg hierarchy - and using that as some kind of proof. Likewise for any near-win of Protoss vs Zerg. If you want to compare, you have to do top 1 vs top 1, top 2 vs top 2, etc. The overall win rate, once sample size grows big enough, essentially does that for you. | ||
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Biff The Understudy
France8201 Posts
On June 29 2026 19:21 Kraekkling wrote: which is enough to stop most people from wanting to play those specific maps btw and every game the Terran went for quick tech while also taking the natural, which I found kind of surprising, since - going tech is constrained by gas income, and gas income on this map is same as usual - going for quick gas means you have to pull workers from the unsaturated mineral stack - the income from the natural expansion is super inefficient, compared to the main - like 30-40% mining efficiency per worker or something? I'm not saying that one should never expand, but the return on investment is very different here, compared to a regular map. If one-base play was in any way viable on regular maps before, it should be buffed on Odyssey by a LOT but on the other hand, Terrans can't make a comsat in their main... and therefore they can't deal with lurkers before vessel... so they're forced into fast vessel I guess Yes but it might offer flexibility to fix the meta if it goes totally off rail in the future. You could totally imagine that at some point every map has three mineral patches stacked in the main and 5 regular ones because matchmakers have realized that it was necessary for the game to stay balanced. That being said, i also think this will not make it this season and if it does it will be veto’ed to oblivion. | ||
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