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outscar
Profile Joined September 2014
2832 Posts
June 22 2024 13:22 GMT
#21
I wonder why Last and Larva both not coming back? Must be because their vids on Youtube get 100K-200K everyday so it's a good amount of money - seems like they're chilling and not caring about being competetive so much. Sad...
sunbeams are never made like me...
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands818 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-22 18:39:53
June 22 2024 15:13 GMT
#22
On June 22 2024 22:22 outscar wrote:
I wonder why Last and Larva both not coming back? Must be because their vids on Youtube get 100K-200K everyday so it's a good amount of money - seems like they're chilling and not caring about being competetive so much. Sad...

larva actually joined JSU team.

and yeah they upload two videos per day that each get 100k-250k views
They make good money off of quite low effort content
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XenOsky
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Chile2267 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-23 16:37:19
June 23 2024 16:36 GMT
#23
Strudel #1

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StarCraft & Audax Italiano.
Sero
Profile Joined October 2010
United States692 Posts
June 24 2024 00:56 GMT
#24
Almost every streamer is view botting. Artosis has 1,000+, Dewalt and Jaeyun have 100+, Gypsy 50-100, Julia, Terror, Blander, Jinjin, ipav 25-50, and plenty of others. BSL is botted heavily too.

Britney and Sea are the main ones botting on Afreeca. Last and Larva aren't getting 100,000+ real views on each YouTube video.

Best streamer is LancerX.
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NoobSkills
Profile Joined August 2009
United States1598 Posts
June 24 2024 01:44 GMT
#25
On June 24 2024 09:56 Sero wrote:
Almost every streamer is view botting. Artosis has 1,000+, Dewalt and Jaeyun have 100+, Gypsy 50-100, Julia, Terror, Blander, Jinjin, ipav 25-50, and plenty of others. BSL is botted heavily too.

Britney and Sea are the main ones botting on Afreeca. Last and Larva aren't getting 100,000+ real views on each YouTube video.

Best streamer is LancerX.


Are you inferring that the 1000 or under viewership streams are viewbotted?

Also as for the afreeca/YT ones you mentioned in the second part, how is 100k unreasonable? If ASL S15 videos with tastosis casting are at 100k, but there are several sources for that video (meaning far greater interest especially on the korean VODs maybe) why would it be impossible for those people to have 100k views? Though I don't know their content I wouldn't say that 100k screams botting, whereas if you said a million I'd agree easily.
Sero
Profile Joined October 2010
United States692 Posts
June 24 2024 02:16 GMT
#26
On June 24 2024 10:44 NoobSkills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2024 09:56 Sero wrote:
Almost every streamer is view botting. Artosis has 1,000+, Dewalt and Jaeyun have 100+, Gypsy 50-100, Julia, Terror, Blander, Jinjin, ipav 25-50, and plenty of others. BSL is botted heavily too.

Britney and Sea are the main ones botting on Afreeca. Last and Larva aren't getting 100,000+ real views on each YouTube video.

Best streamer is LancerX.


Are you inferring that the 1000 or under viewership streams are viewbotted?

Also as for the afreeca/YT ones you mentioned in the second part, how is 100k unreasonable? If ASL S15 videos with tastosis casting are at 100k, but there are several sources for that video (meaning far greater interest especially on the korean VODs maybe) why would it be impossible for those people to have 100k views? Though I don't know their content I wouldn't say that 100k screams botting, whereas if you said a million I'd agree easily.

Stating, not inferring.

Last averages 200 viewers on Afreeca. He is not a popular streamer, but his videos get over 100,000 views in less than a day.

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Turbovolver
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Australia2393 Posts
June 24 2024 02:24 GMT
#27
On June 20 2024 00:31 [sc1f]eonzerg wrote:
On god thats why i said : Not blames. There is an audience for that everywhere every game.

People like Call of duty pros killing 50 noobs in a row etc.
in SC2 there are 2 or 3 guys doing the same. and is wild popular too.

Personally i dont like that kind of content and i dont support it. Where is the fun in puttin 10000 hours of gaming to beat low skill players. I support the competitve aspect and the grind to become a better player. That is what i enjoy.

Oh come on, who didn't smile when FBH went on TV and said, "People like to watch the pro players and imagine it is them playing, that they could do this. With this single vulture I will make sure he knows he could never do what we do."

:D
The original Bogus fan.
Shinokuki
Profile Joined July 2013
United States859 Posts
June 24 2024 05:51 GMT
#28
On June 24 2024 10:44 NoobSkills wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 24 2024 09:56 Sero wrote:
Almost every streamer is view botting. Artosis has 1,000+, Dewalt and Jaeyun have 100+, Gypsy 50-100, Julia, Terror, Blander, Jinjin, ipav 25-50, and plenty of others. BSL is botted heavily too.

Britney and Sea are the main ones botting on Afreeca. Last and Larva aren't getting 100,000+ real views on each YouTube video.

Best streamer is LancerX.


Are you inferring that the 1000 or under viewership streams are viewbotted?

Also as for the afreeca/YT ones you mentioned in the second part, how is 100k unreasonable? If ASL S15 videos with tastosis casting are at 100k, but there are several sources for that video (meaning far greater interest especially on the korean VODs maybe) why would it be impossible for those people to have 100k views? Though I don't know their content I wouldn't say that 100k screams botting, whereas if you said a million I'd agree easily.


He's trollin
Life is just life
Sero
Profile Joined October 2010
United States692 Posts
June 24 2024 16:48 GMT
#29
Shinokuki means that he disagrees.

Adding oli_patrick 100+, Stevejung and doejuly 50-100, Leerak and 80smullet 25-50.

Does it matter? Not really, but people who don't viewbot can't compete with the ones who jump to the top of the list every day. Give those 1-5 viewer streams a chance.

Why anyone is trying to make a living off streaming StarCraft to 25 viewbots and 25 real viewers in 2024 remains a mystery.
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Agh
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States930 Posts
June 24 2024 17:01 GMT
#30
I usually spend the majority of time browsing opening/closing due to people just playing customs or team games.
hero is one of the few that actually seems to play but then again just might be when I tune in.

I like watching the best possible player but is very difficult to find for BW.


Spoiled by Happy in Warcraft 3 where he just grinds nonstop. He'll play the most brutal 25-30 minute game then queue up again right after the second he's able to.
I may appear to be an emotionless sarcastic pos, but just like an onion when you pull off more and more layers you find the exact same thing everytime and you start crying
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands818 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-24 17:29:45
June 24 2024 17:17 GMT
#31
On June 25 2024 01:48 Sero wrote:
Shinokuki means that he disagrees.

Adding oli_patrick 100+, Stevejung and doejuly 50-100, Leerak and 80smullet 25-50.

Does it matter? Not really, but people who don't viewbot can't compete with the ones who jump to the top of the list every day. Give those 1-5 viewer streams a chance.

Why anyone is trying to make a living off streaming StarCraft to 25 viewbots and 25 real viewers in 2024 remains a mystery.


DoeJuly gets a lot more views on his youtube stream. Fastest streamers get almost all their stream views from youtube.

for example shin livestream views:
https://youtube.com/channel/UC-okJdotaXPlzivRzHFqzuA?si=bPGsoJhYi2fuVr8o
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Belgium6556 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-24 17:35:45
June 24 2024 17:24 GMT
#32
On June 25 2024 01:48 Sero wrote:
Shinokuki means that he disagrees.

Adding oli_patrick 100+, Stevejung and doejuly 50-100, Leerak and 80smullet 25-50.

Does it matter? Not really, but people who don't viewbot can't compete with the ones who jump to the top of the list every day. Give those 1-5 viewer streams a chance.

Why anyone is trying to make a living off streaming StarCraft to 25 viewbots and 25 real viewers in 2024 remains a mystery.

How do you know people viewbot tho ? Oli_pratick is the biggest content creator in latin america. he has 86 000 followers on facebook only.
https://www.facebook.com/olipatrickbo/?locale=es_LA

Stevejung is pretty known in Artosis circle ( Artosis raided him a lot when he was still in Korea. And nowadays tasteless raid him too) and i believe he is the guy doing subs for the ASL Patreon. So him being in the 70 viewers range is not really fishing. + if you watch his stream for a bit he has an engaging stream and people enjoy his content.

Doejuly idk who that is.

80smullet i imagine he getting to 50 viewers by getting raid by other streams.

Gypsy pretty popular around NA people.

Jaeyun pretty popular around NA people. Popularity huge boosted by the release of SC remastered and the Lans they did with Artosis Tasteless day9 incontrol etc.

Dewalt most active player in the scene for years.Even if he speak only russian people like his skills ?

Bonyth same boat than dewalt but he speak english so all the protoss fans can fully enjoy his stream.

Lancer quit streaming for a long time. He used to be in the 40-50 range viewers but his inactiveness over the years didnt help and now Dewalt is way more popular than him. At the end of the day the starcraft twitch page is very small.People watch who they wanna watch or they watch the only streamer that is on at the time.

Im not sure how using 25 bots is going to help you to get more viewers.

If bots were used in the starcraft community i image that mf of terror would have been using them by now LMAO but he is not even as popular as gypsy even if he acomplished more in the starcraft scene. I image personality is what matter the most and not even the time put in.

Personally i think the best streamer is my boe Sugo.
Good looking. Good personality. Always answer the chat while playing.Always positive. Never get tilted or frustated with viewers. Sugo is the goat of streaming but he rarely does.
Follow him for the next stream.
https://www.twitch.tv/sugobw
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands818 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-24 17:33:20
June 24 2024 17:31 GMT
#33
DoeJuly youtube channel where he streams and gets most of his views:
https://youtube.com/channel/UCqVkQsNin4MdGFrWvzFVOKw?si=UqssKctOepxKT7zv

Brain:
https://youtube.com/@braingod?si=UdSXm027zFABMfA6

Burgersasu:
https://youtube.com/channel/UC2untV6RHYn-FMJe1JZyi-g?si=NsQ2SNpOumwIRfXB
JDON MY SOUL!
jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1419 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-24 18:06:54
June 24 2024 18:02 GMT
#34
On June 24 2024 09:56 Sero wrote:
Almost every streamer is view botting. Artosis has 1,000+, Dewalt and Jaeyun have 100+, Gypsy 50-100, Julia, Terror, Blander, Jinjin, ipav 25-50, and plenty of others. BSL is botted heavily too.

Britney and Sea are the main ones botting on Afreeca. Last and Larva aren't getting 100,000+ real views on each YouTube video.

Best streamer is LancerX.



Huge streamers like Britney and Sea dominate Korean Afreeca scene and viewer discussions on dedicated forums like dcinside/fmkorea. They certainly are not botting lol.

Last has like 600k+ subs and gets 100k+ views on his videos. He has mass appeal.

Why am I even there lol, I'm just putting on stream for feedback from TT1 when he looks at vod. Idc about views


On June 20 2024 20:02 TMNT wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2024 16:09 Peeano wrote:
On June 20 2024 13:37 bovienchien wrote:
TvT is the best matchup in the StarCraft. I play TvT very well, so it needs IQ, creative, patient, brave... things that I have so much.

Nice! You ought to share us a replay pack of your TvT. The community can always use more content to learn from

No need. Found this gem in the small VOD thread. Already timecoded to the good part:



SCRVN, the Conceptual 2700, ego of ASL winner, with actual skill of 1500.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10127 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-24 18:34:34
June 24 2024 18:34 GMT
#35
On June 20 2024 21:45 bovienchien wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2024 20:02 TMNT wrote:

No need. Found this gem in the small VOD thread. Already timecoded to the good part:

https://youtu.be/ChHNZnfg8Lg?list=PLJyL5-Yf67RIp76hAvI-4YvnjpgKEFE3t&t=569

My fault was: researched my opponent so deep. I knew he never used Wraith, so I didn't defend to air units, but the game he scouted me and bought some Wraiths to harass me.

If I didn't know anything about my opponent. I could win easily by my skill.

But why you don't show my game 1:
-snip-

I don't know how grades work in VN, but in the USA and many other countries, they go like:

A <- Great
B <- Good
C <- Passable/average
D <- Bad. You are here.
F <- Very bad/failure.

Just in case you were not aware because based on many of your posts on this forum it seems you might be misunderstanding where your skill is relative to the player base, for example when you say ridiculously conceited things like "I play TvT very well, so it needs IQ, creative, patient, brave... things that I have so much."

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Sero
Profile Joined October 2010
United States692 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-24 22:16:54
June 24 2024 18:50 GMT
#36
It's very easy to buy views and followers/subscribers on Facebook and YouTube compared to Twitch. They are much cheaper and less regulated by those sites. You can buy tens of millions for a few hundred dollars.

I know that many of these players stream on YouTube, and you can check when people have been raided or not. Those are popular players, but that doesn't mean they aren't botting also.

I watch Twitch, YouTube, and Afreeca at various hours including the morning and middle of the night. I'm very aware of who every streamer I listed is. I've watched them for hours and checked their streaming statistics.

Jinjin, those inflated YouTube view numbers show the opposite of what you think, and you can see the most popular streamers start their streams with hundreds of viewers before they begin streaming. (Not coming from another streaming website.)

Eon, I didn't say that LancerX view botted. I said he's the best streamer imo, and I never mentioned Bonyth, but he's the real GOAT. Sugo is really good, but he's rarely online like you said.

Plenty of the streamers who I believe bot are great too. Anyway, I'm not here to convince anyone. Just putting it out there so people can decide for themselves and maybe give other streamers a chance too. I saw one of the CPL casters doing a great job with only 3 viewers for example.
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jinjin5000
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1419 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-24 20:26:36
June 24 2024 20:16 GMT
#37
On June 25 2024 03:50 Sero wrote:
It's very easy to buy views and followers/subscribers on Facebook and YouTube compared to Twitch. They are much cheaper and less regulated by those sites. You can buy tens of millions for a few hundred dollars.

I know that many of these players stream on YouTube and you can check when people have been raided or not. Those are popular players, but that doesn't mean they aren't botting also.

I watch Twitch, YouTube, and Afreeca at various hours including the morning and middle of the night. I'm very aware of who every streamer I listed is. I've watched them for hours and checked their streaming statistics.

Jinjin, those inflated YouTube view numbers show the opposite of what you think, and you can see the most popular streamers start their streams with hundreds of viewers before they begin streaming. (Not coming from another streaming website.)

Eon, I didn't say that LancerX view botted. I said he's the best streamer imo, and I never mentioned Bonyth, but he's the real GOAT. Sugo is really good, but he's rarely online like you said.

Plenty of the streamers who I believe bot are great too. Anyway, I'm not here to convince anyone. Just putting it out there so people can decide for themselves and maybe give other streamers a chance too. I saw one of the CPL casters doing a great job with only 3 viewers for example.



idk, from looking around on forums, Last is really widespread casually viewership wise. He's much bigger than you give him credit for, not to mention chat activity and donations are up there too.

last dominates youtube landscape and he's only real BW streamer u can say that public watches on subway. He's pretty damn widespread and got stranglehold on the trollgame/casual viewership.

There's reason why as soon as he left for army, there was huge scramble to overtake that trollgame/casual viewership pie with half of BW pros trying to set up youtube channel for it, and Larva won that out and now he has 300k+ youtube subs on his trollgame channel
RJBTVYOUTUBE
Profile Joined December 2023
Netherlands818 Posts
Last Edited: 2024-06-24 21:40:38
June 24 2024 21:36 GMT
#38
to add some perspective to the most popular youtube starcrafters
Last has 100 videos over a million views.
Shin has 39 videos over a million views.
Larva has 30 videos over a million views.
Flash has 18 videos over a million views.
Last is legitimately a big content creator.

Also, Last gets the majority of his livestream views on youtube, not on afreeca. So your data is flawed to begin with. To get this many views on a livestream you have to be at 7000-10000 concurrent viewers for almost the entire stream.
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Jaeyun
Profile Joined June 2017
United States202 Posts
June 24 2024 22:30 GMT
#39
I can confirm as a streamer I viewbot. The bots on my stream like @jinjin5000 or @TT1 can almost be passed off as real to most people but those with a sharp eye can tell what's going on. @Ryan6Glass is a great bot that claims to eat mangoes all the time while watching, good for variety.

Happy to give a referral to pass them over to any others looking to strike gold in foreign BW.
www.twitch.tv/jaeyun
Sero
Profile Joined October 2010
United States692 Posts
June 24 2024 23:27 GMT
#40
Careful, JY. Given the reading comprehension here some people might think you're serious. Of course you have plenty of real viewers, but that doesn't necessarily exclude bots. Not to single anyone out, but IDK if TT1 is real for example. Very bot-like behavior from that guy.
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