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On July 11 2009 05:48 darktreb wrote:
In fairness to Flash, he was indisputably the best Terran for an entire year. He's pretty clearly the most skilled TvT player ever and made a permanent impact on the TvP matchup. The expectations for him have just always been so enormous, and the few flaws he has in his play have really cost him time and time again. Only once in the past 15 months could you say Flash was even mediocre at a matchup, and that's right now in TvZ.
Really what it comes down to is, what will win out - Flash's age or Flash's experience? Flash's age suggests he still has plenty of room to grow. Flash is STILL younger than the Jaedong was when Jaedong won his first Starleague, and Jaedong is the second youngest Starleague winner of all time (behind Flash of course). But, Flash has been around for so long already, and played so many games, that his style has settled into a very predictable one that ensures a high winning percentage but not big game victories. Other successful players have stagnated in style only to reinvent themselves again (Bisu comes to mind). Whether or not Flash ever reaches his full potential - which is to be the greatest player ever - depends completely on whether he can do this in the end.
Haha I read this and was like "this guy nailed it", before realizing it was me #humblebrag
Thanks for the memories Flash. People forget it now but Flash wasn't all that popular relative to his skill back in 2009. Continuing to believe in him through the disappointment of 2009, until the 2010 breakthrough was one of the most fulfilling possible experiences as an e-sports fan.
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Haha we will always remember cheesy Flash.
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Wow, never saw this till now.
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Flash is still a scrub with a few hundred lucky wins. Mind >
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LOL epic thread
reminds me of anatoly karpovs wikipedia:
"At twelve, he was accepted into Mikhail Botvinnik's prestigious chess school, though Botvinnik made the following remark about the young Karpov: "The boy does not have a clue about chess, and there's no future at all for him in this profession."
c'est la via say the old folks it goes to show you never can tell
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On December 03 2015 02:55 johanes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2007 03:19 Try wrote:
Flash is either cheesy, or a generic terran who comes up with no innovative strats, has horrible late-game decision making, and shows no great talent in any department of the game. He 1. tries to win within the 1st 5 minutes or 2. just follows his normal FE build every single time and A. wins because his opponent sucks ass or the map is terribly imbalanced (aka his game vs Savior in Proleague), or B. looses because his opponent has any sense watsoever and can exploit Flash's predictability and mistaken play. This is today's question guys, what were you doing when FlaSh showed no great talent in any department of the game? i was just starting my PHD, what a horrible decision.
I was watching everyone else's games and personally skipped whenever he was up due to the first time I saw him perform his cheesy build :p
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lmao somehow I missed this thread both the first and second times around. Great bump indeed but it's not enough. I vote that the unimpressed flash meme thread be at least temporarily reopened in honor of  Flash. 
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Wow! This was right after I started getting into pro-BW. I had just finished University and killing time on Youtube between job searches. I had found this Flash vs BoxeR match on YouTube where BoxeR was teaching Flash how to TvT and was awed by the narrative that Klazart painted:
BoxeR vs By.Flash @ Proleague [Klazart Commentary]
I was hooked. I was an instant pro-BW fan, seeing a game I loved played in a way I never knew was possible.
Some history right there. This was spectator SC at its most fun. Thanks for all the good times Flash.
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There should be a way to lock polls after some time just so we could so how Mind-favored this poll was originally.
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On December 03 2015 02:55 johanes wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2007 03:19 Try wrote:
Flash is either cheesy, or a generic terran who comes up with no innovative strats, has horrible late-game decision making, and shows no great talent in any department of the game. He 1. tries to win within the 1st 5 minutes or 2. just follows his normal FE build every single time and A. wins because his opponent sucks ass or the map is terribly imbalanced (aka his game vs Savior in Proleague), or B. looses because his opponent has any sense watsoever and can exploit Flash's predictability and mistaken play. This is today's question guys, what were you doing when FlaSh showed no great talent in any department of the game? i was just starting my PHD, what a horrible decision.
Nov 2007? I just finished university too. Moved to the Bay Area to start working. I wasn't even into Starcraft then. It would be the following year, towards the summer of 2008 that I really started watching. By then Flash has already established himself.
Being a Protoss player, I fell in love with Stork at first, for several years, and Incruit OSL was a sweet memory.
When the scene started to die down and Jangbi became the last defender of the realm, I associated myself more with him. The last two seasons were simply amazing. Including the series between Jangbi and Flash, I believe in Jin Air 2?
Oh memories...
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On December 04 2015 09:16 ZerglingSoup wrote:Wow! This was right after I started getting into pro-BW. I had just finished University and killing time on Youtube between job searches. I had found this Flash vs BoxeR match on YouTube where BoxeR was teaching Flash how to TvT and was awed by the narrative that Klazart painted: BoxeR vs By.Flash @ Proleague [Klazart Commentary]I was hooked. I was an instant pro-BW fan, seeing a game I loved played in a way I never knew was possible. Some history right there. This was spectator SC at its most fun. Thanks for all the good times Flash.
Klazart....haha. I remember him. Alongside Diggity, Moletrap.
My favorite is NukeTheStar. He, alongside Jangbi, seems to be refusing to give up when everybody else has.
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On July 11 2009 07:01 PH wrote:
Flash, Bisu and Jaedong are like the Holy Triumvirate of Starcraft. That's right...you heard it from me first.
not bad
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2007 was youtube year. Remeber that i watched korean vods every day for half year:D how this korean yt uploader was named? before nevake. Good memories
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There was also another channel with all the VODs, don't remember the name. But something controversial happened and the account got banned and now a lot of games are missing VODs 
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Jon747 was the guy you both are thinking of.
Anyway Mind might actually be better than Flash in BW at the moment. 
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Funny thing is that if Flash plays BW in the amateur scene, he and Mind will be the best terrans.
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On December 06 2015 01:35 m4gdelen4 wrote:There was also another channel with all the VODs, don't remember the name. But something controversial happened and the account got banned and now a lot of games are missing VODs
On December 06 2015 02:47 jalstar wrote:Jon747 was the guy you both are thinking of. Anyway Mind might actually be better than Flash in BW at the moment.
Yup Jon747.
I'm currently subcribed to VioleTAK as well as nevake.
Since we're hashing up nostalgia here, does anybody remember (or have) an image I'm looking for? It was like a joke pic, that had a series of pros saying rhymes dissing "casuals." If anybody could track this down it would be much appreciated. Does anyone else remember this?
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Haha what a coincidence, in 2007 I was also watching Jon747, nevake and VioleTAK channels. I was in high school back then and watching boxer in 240p with loud korean commentators was just so much fun, this is around this period i understood i had to use keyboard shortcuts to play this game :D
Battle.net europe was still a thing, and we had good time with 2 other friends playing and talking about the game..
I'd say it was good times/good decision, playing starcraft taught me lots of stuff about myself and game design.
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