EPTHow interested are you in non-Korean Brood War competiton?
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TL.net Bot
TL.net132 Posts
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MineraIs
United States846 Posts
I also much prefer to see some new maps integrated into our community simply because I don’t think a few ASL mappers should control the overall maps for bw. | ||
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6737 Posts
On January 18 2024 15:12 MineraIs wrote: I love foreign bw. Looking forward to BSL nation wars(!?) I also much prefer to see some new maps integrated into our community simply because I don’t think a few ASL mappers should control the overall maps for bw. There are many great maps to pick . The ideal mappool wil be a mix of classics + few ladder maps and maybe 1 foreigner map if it is good. It is very rare that a foreigner map is good. I cant recall anything else apart from Overwatch. Your map champion for example didnt even have proper minerals lines. Workers all bugged . And the thing is when you report things to foreigner mapmakers they dont even care to fix or maybe they dont know how to. Historically is just a not try. But if the map is good and works good i dont see any reason to no try it. The last ASL mappool was one of the best imo. Cant say the same about the new ASL. | ||
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Soulforged
Latvia933 Posts
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uzzukidfgfsd
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[sc1f]eonzerg
Belgium6737 Posts
On January 18 2024 19:21 uzzukidfgfsd wrote: *mod edit* A new TSL could be dope not gonna lie. Imagine Tasteless Day9 covering it. Artosis proly putting the time in to play so mb he not casting. | ||
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Glioburd
France1911 Posts
I'd be fine with a new TLS too, somebody grab a shovel and go dig up Sayle & Elegant! | ||
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JimmyJRaynor
Canada16930 Posts
On January 18 2024 15:12 MineraIs wrote: I love foreign bw. Looking forward to BSL nation wars(!?) I also much prefer to see some new maps integrated into our community simply because I don’t think a few ASL mappers should control the overall maps for bw. any Nation Wars format would be super cool. On January 18 2024 19:21 uzzukidfgfsd wrote: *mod edit* Someone spat on Newman during a TL Brood War live event on June 14th, 1987... Fortunately, a careful analysis exposed the evil conspiracy. | ||
Peeano
Netherlands5181 Posts
Maps don't have to follow ASL/ladder, but if the better Korean players play those maps... and those Korean players give our foreigners the practice they need... | ||
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WGT-Baal
France3413 Posts
for instance CPL is the most interesting to be in if you re not super high level, for learning and socialising reasons. NSL and CSL are also pretty chill. BWCL is more for the honour of your clan and playing with clanmates, BSL (imo) is more about watching the absolute best foreigners duke it out, but playing in it by itself isnt as great if you re not S rank. Nation Wars are always cool because it sorta mixes a bit of everything said above in one setting, also it s rare. if you mean interested in watching then it d be ASL>Proleagues>>>>>>(distant) Nation Wars >>> (more distant) CPL/BSL/BWCL/NSL : relative order depending on whether i know the players being cast or not, watching Mihu vs dewalt 24/7 isnt the best but once in a while it s good, watching Bonyth is always great though (no offense to Dewalt, he is also great but it feels a bit like groundhog day sometimes) EDIT: now a TSL would be high on the list to watch *wink wink* | ||
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Xeln4g4
Italy1209 Posts
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ThunderJunk
United States711 Posts
I really enjoy the BW scene. I am always happy to discover it's active, for foreigners and everyone. I did tune into the foreigner allstar team versus midcard koreans series last year or the year before. And foreigners lost what, like 31 matches? None of them were truly close in my recollection, though a few victories did come swiftly as the result of mindgame and luck. The one match foreigners won was off a successful scout of a center-proxied double 8 rax in TvP iirc; Even that took 14-18 minutes for the protoss to close out successfully. It was really fun to be rooting for team Korea in that instance lol | ||
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Smorrie
Netherlands2923 Posts
As a spectator I'm not too interested in watching any foreign tournaments outside of BSL (or TSL?!). As a player I'd probably enjoy enrolling in anything available if I was playing regularly. | ||
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Kaolla
China2999 Posts
Used to watch Artosis' stream quite a bit in the past. That was pretty enjoyable at times, esp when he had events and stuff (like the foreign pros vs Koreans mentioned above). It's a shame it has become what it has become. Anyway, let's not talk about that here. | ||
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iFU.spx
Russian Federation372 Posts
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kAra
Germany1387 Posts
go for 2v2 tsl | ||
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jjjhgztugfsd
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Qikz
United Kingdom12023 Posts
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Comedy
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On topic : I always thought Team Liquid would organise something for the launcher of remastered. Now we're 7 years later, and while BW is very much alive in Korea and thriving, the foreign scene has been barren besides BSL. Pretty cool though that there's 2 lans being organised in NA, and there's a big tour in peru too. The time to organise things was in 2017 with the launch, when a lot of guys came back to the game, and activity was high. Better late than never, though  | ||
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Baamze
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Ideas
United States8141 Posts
On January 19 2024 05:31 Qikz wrote: Extremely disinterested (45) - How is this winning lol Hate to say it but it's like the same reason people don't watch the minor leagues as much as the majors. I don't get AF about nationality I just want to watch the best games. If foreigners were integrated into the same scene as koreans and playing on their level that would be awesome but unfortunately that's not the case and probably never will be. edit - maybe as the kespa-era players retire and a more amateur-tier rank of players replace them (and the scene doesn't die out) in like 5-10 years, foreigners who keep up their skills will probably be a lot more on their level. But foreigners (and seemingly all amateur koreans as well) can't touch the top 20-30 players in korea that play in proleague/kleague/ASL. All of whom except for like 3 or 4 were former kespa players I think. | ||
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BonitiilloO
Dominican Republic626 Posts
On January 19 2024 05:31 Qikz wrote: Extremely disinterested (45) - How is this winning lol Probably some BSL fans. | ||
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Ronski
Finland266 Posts
On January 19 2024 05:31 Qikz wrote: Extremely disinterested (45) - How is this winning lol I think it's because there isn't an option for: "Not interested in BW" | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4225 Posts
especially if it would be something like another BW TSL with proper intro, insane (for BW) production value, etc give me a good format, nice map pool and I'm in | ||
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M3t4PhYzX
Poland4225 Posts
On January 19 2024 05:31 Qikz wrote: Extremely disinterested (45) - How is this winning lol Interested still winning vs disinterested so far 129 vs 93 (58 % vs 42 %) | ||
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RJBTVYOUTUBE
Netherlands1011 Posts
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Freezard
Sweden1012 Posts
For me the foreign scene is more of an amateur league and I have never really watched it. In general I just watch the top leagues and that's the same with every sport. Also the foreign tournaments are nowhere close to ASL in terms of production value, prize money, casters, and having the matches offline which is a must for me. Without a high budget and community demand this is going to be impossible to achieve, and the scene isn't that big unfortunately. However I did love the WCG tournaments if those count. | ||
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G5
United States2918 Posts
On the other hand, I watch every single ASL game (minus TvT's), Korean pro streams, Artosis and Tasteless casts of pro's ladder games, etc. Korean SC is just so much better imo. It's like how I'm into pro sports but can't watch college. It's such a different level, I can't really get into it. | ||
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earob84
Germany175 Posts
Sure ASL tops everything but still very interested | ||
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Nirli
Bulgaria378 Posts
On January 19 2024 05:31 Qikz wrote: Extremely disinterested (45) - How is this winning lol Literally the only non-Korean tournament I've watched in the last 10 years was STPL. | ||
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LML
Germany1772 Posts
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HerbMon
United States465 Posts
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iRkSupperman
Norway139 Posts
Laggy matchups against players who don't interact with the scene, who have their own active full-time scene and sponsors (which mostly refuses entry to foreign players btw), and is now jumping in to grab a piece of the already tiny foreigner prize pool? Less interesting. (See the last few years of foreign BW events) Then I'd rather spend my time watching ASL or Proleague. | ||
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RKC
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HornyHerring
Papua New Guinea1059 Posts
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Vasoline73
United States7816 Posts
Even with the Korean scene, it’s more fun to watch games when you have a favorite team or player. Proleague was fun to watch for rivalries like KT/SKT, or to root for underdogs like Air Force Ace, etc. Without a narrative it’s hard to care about random one-off games unless they are exceptional… I haven’t discovered a compelling narrative in the foreign scene other than TSL/TSL2 and Idra/Nony in Korea trying to pass courage. If I found one maybe I would change my vote. | ||
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ESC.BlAckSuN
Germany49 Posts
BWCL is great for some team games and stuff. CPL is fun to still have newcomers or people with lower skills involved but casts are mostly not the most interesting as the game and cast quality is at a lower level, still good to have though. Are you planning something? As all people said, gogo TSL, they were a blast. Also sometimes good 2v2 competitions would be nice. Interested in all StraCraft events, as long as they are well done. Non KR can be as good as others, but mostly organization or casts are not on the same level. | ||
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jello_biafra
United Kingdom6638 Posts
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RogerChillingworth
Chad3066 Posts
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kAra
Germany1387 Posts
for 1v1 people will just go and watch kor games instead | ||
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art_of_turtle
United States1202 Posts
On January 28 2024 17:14 kAra wrote: could host a 3v3 bgh all random tournament, from looking over the topics in general this looks like most active for 1v1 people will just go and watch kor games instead I remember watching azhi's channel and this came across my feed. It was some kind of 2v2 BGH, Fastest, and Polypoid league | ||
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chrisolo
Germany2608 Posts
On January 29 2024 10:40 art_of_turtle wrote: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsCoBfUbugE I remember watching azhi's channel and this came across my feed. It was some kind of 2v2 BGH, Fastest, and Polypoid league https://tl.net/forum/bw-tournaments/612751-2v2-omni-teamplay-league  2v2 Omni Teamplay League | ||
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blabber
United States4448 Posts
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