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On February 12 2023 02:36 sitonchair wrote:
Some top players abuse by canceling when they see unfavorable teams.
Also... new accounts are a problem. I think the 50 game requirement from EU is good for that reason.
I don't really blame them, the system heavily punish them for being top rank. So leaving when it's a huge gamble is logical thing to do.
It's still just an issue of not enough higher rank player gets into Gosu lobby at same time, if they are all in the gosu lobby I doubt they would want to leave
Imagine you are 2800 and being paird with 2 1500, and the opposing team has 2 guys 2500+
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On February 12 2023 09:51 ted. wrote:
I think the requirement of 50 wins was overkill. I hadn't played bw in a long ass time and I have very little time these days and it took me fricken ages on euro to get 50 wins. It makes it inaccessible to returning players.
Maybe like 20-30 total games played to stop instant random smurfs or something, but 50 wins is a bit much IMO.
Also, it would be nice if you could see a players record not just win%. It's a nice thing to look at IMO. And seeing game length would be cool to know which reps to download if you want to watch some.
Lastly, how many bots do you currently have and how quickly do they fill up? I haven't been on lately but do you need any type of support in getting more bots up if there is demand for it? I'm sure people, myself included, would chip in if you needed to buy some more accounts with bw.
Thanks for all your work!
Yeah, I'll have to think about that one, and honestly this check is not on my list to do. And the current batch of feature is what I would consider almost "complete"
Might do lag checking on a basic level, maybe if I have time. Generally if game lags currently people leave and rejoin, the lager usually don't come back, cause they know they are lagging.
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On February 12 2023 13:26 End1ess wrote:
Yes, the top player leave if they have bad player in their team. I thought it's free to play SC (Remastered need to pay).
I don't mind noob in my team but some don't even know how to play. Put some effort in learn the 25yrs old game first before ruin someone else' game.
For new account make them join game vs. computer(s) to earn MMR, first before playing 3v3.
I can relate to that, but one thing might be worth doing is create lobby that are below 1400 or 1600 or something like that.
So newer player can have a safer play ground. Everyone starts somewhere right?
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2/12/2023 Update:
The site https://24hbwmmrbot.azurewebsites.net/dashboard/3v3 has been upgraded to use caching ,so the data can be anywhere from 0~10 minutes lagged behind real time data depending on when did you get to see the site. But once the site loads the first time for any user, they can freely browse the site without lagging issue. Also, come to see your letter rank!! S/A/B/C/D/E are calculate on profile page now, they will soon be displayed on main ranking page too once we get our hands on the art assets.
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Man, leaving when you don't like your team is straight up broken.
Anyone can get top rank doing that. All you have to do is look at your team and if its not an easy game, leave.
if you get an easy team, stay.
Rank goes up. Stupid AF.
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On February 13 2023 00:19 sitonchair wrote:
Man, leaving when you don't like your team is straight up broken.
Anyone can get top rank doing that. All you have to do is look at your team and if its not an easy game, leave.
if you get an easy team, stay.
Rank goes up. Stupid AF.
I agree with what you are saying here, my thought was that if people start filling up the GoSu lobby ,it will not be as much variance and unpredictability goes into the game, people would stop leaving and such.
However, the 1650+ lobby rarely getting used so far. 
So it's in a weird state. If you are high mmr, and gets 2 1500 or so players, you are kind of screwed. On the other hand ,repeatedly leaving is stupid AF I totally agree. Not really sure what to do here about this one tbh.
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I think one solution I can think of is mmr diff close running away gives - say 10 minute time out. If mmr diff is really large say 1000+ between 2 team leaving is not punished? But it gets complicated with people in game. I can’t know if people left for lag or some other reason.
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On February 12 2023 09:51 ted. wrote:
I think the requirement of 50 wins was overkill. I hadn't played bw in a long ass time and I have very little time these days and it took me fricken ages on euro to get 50 wins. It makes it inaccessible to returning players.
Maybe like 20-30 total games played to stop instant random smurfs or something, but 50 wins is a bit much IMO.
Also, it would be nice if you could see a players record not just win%. It's a nice thing to look at IMO. And seeing game length would be cool to know which reps to download if you want to watch some.
Lastly, how many bots do you currently have and how quickly do they fill up? I haven't been on lately but do you need any type of support in getting more bots up if there is demand for it? I'm sure people, myself included, would chip in if you needed to buy some more accounts with bw.
Thanks for all your work!
Game length should be available after the matches from this afternoon and on ward. I don't have plan to fix the games that have already been played so far, it's a bit of hassle to do it.
Aside from that, I think you can expect a bit more detailed player's record in the works.
I'll think about putting up patron/donation. There isn't any extra benefit I plan to have for those who donate/sub on patron currently, but it's greatly appreciated if you choose to do so, but it is not necessary.
I am currently running 3~4 bots, 3 bots at least for any given time.
At least 1 public normal, 1 public gosu lobby. the other bot might be turned into private ladder lobby at our clan's peak hours. This private ladder has it separate rating does not affect public ladder.
The 4th bot would come online when I am not doing anything on my main PC, namely when I am sleeping and such, running a normal lobby.
It would be nice to scale it up, but I don't have any plan to invest in that right now.
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if the teams are balanced, but the game fails to start because one of those players left, then the leaver should get 25 mmr penalty.
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On February 13 2023 08:57 sitonchair wrote:
if the teams are balanced, but the game fails to start because one of those players left, then the leaver should get 25 mmr penalty.
It's sounding in theory, but they can always leave after the game start, further wasting everyone's time.
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I think at a later time when I get a chance, will probably find a way to address this issue, but not at the moment. Not any time soon, as it has been hell of a 12 day marathon writing the bot from scratch and getting it to the current state. I have been both mentally and physically exhausted at the moment. I have recovered mostly by now, but I do want to work on some other project for the time being for my personal priority and other things.
I really appreciate the support from you all. And I want to say, what you are experiencing that's not right and that's not fair. I've heard you. But I don't have the time and resources to get that fixed right away at the moment. sorry about that.
I know the biggest abuser of this is MarinE-Pang, I've seen many people complain about him and what he does. I certainly don't like what he does, but it's the systems fault punishing high ranking players to force them into that position in the first place. So it should be the system that gets fixed, not the player should be punished. But like I said, I don't have the time and energy to get it fixed right away at the moment.
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United States1655 Posts
Loving the bot so far, appreciate all your hard work!
I noticed that one of my games was marked as a loss even though we won, not sure how that happened :|
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Game names are too long, you can probably remove 'Auto Balance' by now.
![[image loading]](https://i.imgur.com/80MMdup.png)
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On February 13 2023 13:03 Sigrun wrote:
Loving the bot so far, appreciate all your hard work!
I noticed that one of my games was marked as a loss even though we won, not sure how that happened :|
download the replay, and the name of the replay is actually match ID, post it here, I can probably take a look when I get a chance. nothing is guaranteed to change, since it might be hard to do , but it may help prevent future issues.
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United States1655 Posts
On February 13 2023 15:27 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2023 13:03 Sigrun wrote:
Loving the bot so far, appreciate all your hard work!
I noticed that one of my games was marked as a loss even though we won, not sure how that happened :| download the replay, and the name of the replay is actually match ID, post it here, I can probably take a look when I get a chance. nothing is guaranteed to change, since it might be hard to do , but it may help prevent future issues.
ID name: ed279cb096b6bbdaaf96bde50e7a9df8
I don't really care about the mmr, but hopefully that helps out with whatever's causing the issue in the future.
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On February 13 2023 17:36 Sigrun wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2023 15:27 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:On February 13 2023 13:03 Sigrun wrote:
Loving the bot so far, appreciate all your hard work!
I noticed that one of my games was marked as a loss even though we won, not sure how that happened :| download the replay, and the name of the replay is actually match ID, post it here, I can probably take a look when I get a chance. nothing is guaranteed to change, since it might be hard to do , but it may help prevent future issues. ID name: ed279cb096b6bbdaaf96bde50e7a9df8 I don't really care about the mmr, but hopefully that helps out with whatever's causing the issue in the future.
Nothing to be worried about, it was caused by my manual intervention when I changed the post calculation code, and when I had test code that trigger manual update to force team 1 win.
That code has been removed now, so it wouldn't have any affect going forward. Was a silly testing code I had ;(
Yeah, I cannot do anything to change it now, but can definitely buy you a coffee or beer of your choice.... if we ever cross path IRL. :D
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On February 13 2023 14:40 MeSaber wrote:Game names are too long, you can probably remove 'Auto Balance' by now.
Thank you for the advice, I'll keep that in mind.
Will probably make changes to those sometime later.
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On February 13 2023 19:12 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:Show nested quote +On February 13 2023 17:36 Sigrun wrote:On February 13 2023 15:27 PurE)Rabbit-SF wrote:On February 13 2023 13:03 Sigrun wrote:
Loving the bot so far, appreciate all your hard work!
I noticed that one of my games was marked as a loss even though we won, not sure how that happened :| download the replay, and the name of the replay is actually match ID, post it here, I can probably take a look when I get a chance. nothing is guaranteed to change, since it might be hard to do , but it may help prevent future issues. ID name: ed279cb096b6bbdaaf96bde50e7a9df8 I don't really care about the mmr, but hopefully that helps out with whatever's causing the issue in the future. here are the images of screen shot I took if you can't see the embedded images here. https://imgur.com/ScBLYIHhttps://imgur.com/9jF7ulINothing to be worried about, it was caused by my manual intervention when I changed the post calculation code, and when I had test code that trigger manual update to force team 1 win. That code has been removed now, so it wouldn't have any affect going forward. Was a silly testing code I had ;( Yeah, I cannot do anything to change it now, but can definitely buy you a coffee or beer of your choice.... if we ever cross path IRL. :D
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Dakota_Fanning
Hungary2359 Posts
There seems to be a bug.
Current #1 is pjc55104955 who only has 2 games (2 wins). Delta MMRs are +184 and +154, and currently he has 4436 MMR, way above the #2 (having MMR 3017).
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