EPTif jangbi were sure about his skills vs terran he would have accepted the challenge as a man. gg.
FlaSh making Jangbi quit SC incident - Page 3
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dr.who
Dominican Republic145 Posts
if jangbi were sure about his skills vs terran he would have accepted the challenge as a man. gg. | ||
BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On November 22 2021 11:03 Athinira wrote: Really? As someone who's worked ~10 years in the nightlife-industry, i only have one thing to say: That's alcohol for you  Yep, I know alcohol played a key role. It's more the great contrast between regular and drunk Flash that's quite interesting to see. | ||
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PurE)Rabbit-SF
United States680 Posts
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moktira
Ireland1546 Posts
On November 23 2021 05:46 dr.who wrote: Flahs is absolutely sure about his skills and knows he has always been better than jangbi, and janbi also knows that Except Jangbi doesn't know that which is what got Flash riled up in the first place, that and he's clearly annoyed about the last OSL to bring that up. Jangbi surely knows Flash is a beast but as he's confident in PvT he doesn't rate Flash as highly as Jaedong. As this is just drunken chat so I don't take it that seriously, but Jangbi didn't really seem to enjoy streaming and had something else lined up which probably contributed more to him retiring. | ||
Poopi
France12907 Posts
On November 23 2021 05:46 dr.who wrote: lol haters who are bitter about flash being the overall best bw player of all times talking about ego, al i see here is just a player responding to the trashtalk of other player, and daring him to demostrate the shit hes talking about in 20games. Flahs is absolutely sure about his skills and knows he has always been better than jangbi, and janbi also knows that, and i think this is part of the reason why jangbi retired because he was afraid of being ridiculed by flash because that is a mayor thing in korean culture. if jangbi were sure about his skills vs terran he would have accepted the challenge as a man. gg. You don't become among the worlds best without a huge ego, let alone the undisputed best. Depending on culture you won't necessarily show it much, but obviously with alcohol you can see a glimpse | ||
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Broodwar4lyf
304 Posts
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Ilikestarcraft
Korea (South)17733 Posts
On November 23 2021 19:52 Broodwar4lyf wrote: jangbi was the clutchest bw player, more than Flash. I think he was more known as one of the players that choked the most because of all the 2nd place finishes he had. I think one of the criticisms that Jangbi has is also that he was never able to replicate his success when he tried to comeback to bw. Like I think the majority of people who discredit his last OSL win wouldn't say anything if he was able to get back in form and take a title again. | ||
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Malinor
Germany4732 Posts
On November 23 2021 20:53 Ilikestarcraft wrote: I think he was more known as one of the players that choked the most because of all the 2nd place finishes he had. I think one of the criticisms that Jangbi has is also that he was never able to replicate his success when he tried to comeback to bw. Like I think the majority of people who discredit his last OSL win wouldn't say anything if he was able to get back in form and take a title again. I am so happy that Jangbi never really came back to this retirement league known as ASL. I do not know if he could not compete anymore or did not want to (i. e. put in the necessary time), but I am happy he moved on. So I do not have to deal with tainted memories of subpar play that happened 8 years past his prime. Watching Jaedong play in those ASLs caused me enough heartbreak. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway763 Posts
On November 24 2021 01:08 Malinor wrote: I am so happy that Jangbi never really came back to this retirement league known as ASL. I do not know if he could not compete anymore or did not want to (i. e. put in the necessary time), but I am happy he moved on. So I do not have to deal with tainted memories of subpar play that happened 8 years past his prime. Watching Jaedong play in those ASLs caused me enough heartbreak. Watching Bisu play was even worse. I agree that the level of play isn't the same post-kespa, but I'm very happy that players decided to compete. It kept BW alive and I loved watching the games =) | ||
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TMNT
3115 Posts
On November 23 2021 20:53 Ilikestarcraft wrote: I think he was more known as one of the players that choked the most because of all the 2nd place finishes he had. I think one of the criticisms that Jangbi has is also that he was never able to replicate his success when he tried to comeback to bw. Like I think the majority of people who discredit his last OSL win wouldn't say anything if he was able to get back in form and take a title again. Jangbi didn't really try to come back did he? His last BW tournament was SSL back in 2015, 2 years even before this video came out. That criticism, if valid, applies more for Jaedong and especially Stork himself. Btw who are the people who discredit his last OSL, apart from the only 3 guys (Sea, Flash, Stork) in that video? | ||
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cha0
Canada508 Posts
On November 23 2021 19:21 Poopi wrote: You don't become among the worlds best without a huge ego, let alone the undisputed best. Depending on culture you won't necessarily show it much, but obviously with alcohol you can see a glimpse Weird take, there are plenty of athletes at the top that are incredibly humble, and within just BW alone Jaedong is a prime counterexample to your huge ego requirement. | ||
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XenOsky
Chile2303 Posts
mofocker is the greatest ever, he can trashtalk all he wants... | ||
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jchassoul
Costa Rica72 Posts
On November 24 2021 09:02 XenOsky wrote: if one person in the starcraft universe deserves to be a total asshole to whoever he wants that person is FlaSh... mofocker is the greatest ever, he can trashtalk all he wants... nobody deserves to be a total asshole, not even FlaSh. | ||
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BigFan
TLADT24920 Posts
On November 24 2021 09:02 XenOsky wrote: if one person in the starcraft universe deserves to be a total asshole to whoever he wants that person is FlaSh... mofocker is the greatest ever, he can trashtalk all he wants... Funny you say this, because he got (kinda) trashtalked by Jangbi haha. Having said that, nope, no person deserves to be an asshole to any other even if they are the GOAT. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8788 Posts
On November 22 2021 09:52 BigFan wrote: sure, and he is allowed to get mad if he wants. Just as Jangbi is allowed to not put Flash in his list either. I mean, from the discussion that he had with Sharp, Jangbi seemed surprised that Protosses were having problems with PvT even if Flash and Last were around, so perhaps he thought that PvT was a matchup that the Protoss player should win even with strong opponents compared to say PvZ where it's more difficult for the Protoss? Perhaps he thought that Flash, as strong as he is, isn't as hard of an opponent as he's made out to be? Maybe he secretly believes that P/Z is harder at high level than T so he acknowledges the best players in those races, aka Bisu and Jaedong (dunno his thoughts about Stork, but there was friction between them anyways)? I could go on and on. Point being that I agree that Flash was pissed about that, but both of them are free to their opinions. I only personally took issue with how downplayed the last OSL win was. It was definitely surprising to see how huge Flash's ego was considering how he presents himself. i mean...he kinda isnt allowed. thats the whole reason why flash would be pissed. its just offensive to even consider that flash isnt the goat and for jangbi to think that flash isnt all that would be like any defender in la liga saying messi shouldnt be in the discussion for goat. jangbi's right to have his opinion doesnt make his opinion right. not a single starcraft professional has the right to exclude flash from any discussion of best pros or pros that are tough to play against. flash is completely justified in being offended and wanting to smack jangbi in spons imo. | ||
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Timebon3s
Norway763 Posts
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TMNT
3115 Posts
On November 24 2021 13:29 evilfatsh1t wrote: i mean...he kinda isnt allowed. thats the whole reason why flash would be pissed. its just offensive to even consider that flash isnt the goat and for jangbi to think that flash isnt all that would be like any defender in la liga saying messi shouldnt be in the discussion for goat. jangbi's right to have his opinion doesnt make his opinion right. not a single starcraft professional has the right to exclude flash from any discussion of best pros or pros that are tough to play against. flash is completely justified in being offended and wanting to smack jangbi in spons imo. This is the most ridiculous take by far in this thread. Did you just make up some rules on etiquette and common sense based on your fanboyism? Flash is completely justified in doing or saying anything he wants when someone doesn't think he's the goat? What world are we lliving in? Any Liga defender can say Ronaldo (both), Maradona or Pele is the goat and it's completely fine. You don't see Messi going out there and claiming "I will nutmeg this guy into retirement", do you? Imagine the shit he'd get if Messi actually did something like that lol. Mind. Sharp asked Jangbi who's the players he respects the most, not who's the goat. It could be that Jangbi thinks "Tesagi", hence he values Bisu and Jaedong more than Flash. But he literally acknowledged in the next sentence that Flash is tough to beat didn't he? What's wrong with that? Then of course Flash has his rights to disagree with what Jangbi thought. It'd be fine if he just said something like "No. I think you're wrong. It's not because of Tesagi. I'm the best and I will beat you 20-0". But the way he said it, especially when he claimed he'd make Jangbi quit streaming, it shows he just wanted to insult, even harm someone, just for not adoring him. That's cuntish behavior if I'm to be honest. | ||
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Byo
Canada209 Posts
If that was true, then none of the wins of pros vs casuals are deserving. | ||
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evilfatsh1t
Australia8788 Posts
On November 24 2021 21:45 TMNT wrote: This is the most ridiculous take by far in this thread. Did you just make up some rules on etiquette and common sense based on your fanboyism? Flash is completely justified in doing or saying anything he wants when someone doesn't think he's the goat? What world are we lliving in? Any Liga defender can say Ronaldo (both), Maradona or Pele is the goat and it's completely fine. You don't see Messi going out there and claiming "I will nutmeg this guy into retirement", do you? Imagine the shit he'd get if Messi actually did something like that lol. Mind. Sharp asked Jangbi who's the players he respects the most, not who's the goat. It could be that Jangbi thinks "Tesagi", hence he values Bisu and Jaedong more than Flash. But he literally acknowledged in the next sentence that Flash is tough to beat didn't he? What's wrong with that? Then of course Flash has his rights to disagree with what Jangbi thought. It'd be fine if he just said something like "No. I think you're wrong. It's not because of Tesagi. I'm the best and I will beat you 20-0". But the way he said it, especially when he claimed he'd make Jangbi quit streaming, it shows he just wanted to insult, even harm someone, just for not adoring him. That's cuntish behavior if I'm to be honest. i never said flash got offended because jangbi didnt say he was the goat. im saying flash got offended because he was disrespected, despite the fact that it is indisputable flash is the goat. also you seem to speak with a lot of confidence about what was said in those vids based off translations. you do realise there are things lost in translation? the original question by sharp to jangbi isnt "which progamers do you respect most", its "which progamers do you acknowledge the most". there is a subtle yet extremely important difference between the two. you can respect players for many reasons unrelated to pure playing ability. you cant acknowledge players that arent objectively good at the game. the question sharp asked can be rephrased to be this "who out of your professional colleagues do you think is really good". jangbi answered "bisu and jaedong" only. sharp asked as a follow up "terran has to be flash right?" to which jangbi says in a weak and reluctant manner ".....yeah". now if youre flash; the undisputed goat of sc, and you see jangbi reluctantly acknowledge you basically as if he name drops you to avoid the pr shitstorm of having excluded you from a list of pros worth acknowledging, no shit youre going to be pissed. its straight up disrespect from a player who, for the most part of his career, was mid tier | ||
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SlayerS_BunkiE
Canada1713 Posts
On November 24 2021 18:38 Timebon3s wrote: When Mike Tyson says he will stomp on your children’s testicles, it’s all good and fun, but when Flash says he will beat JangBi in a computer game, everyone loses their minds I was actually thinking about this in context/comparison with how Michael Jordan is viewed. (Fyi I havent even seen the Flash video yet) MJ is generally considered goat, and he has a lot of recorded instances when his infamous competitiveness completely shines through.. like trash talking both opponents and teammates. And what’s unique and a consequence of being goat (and a famous and well-loved one at that), a lot of these instances are typically not just ignored but actually celebrated.. because its what makes MJ MJ. Its what it took to win. Its because he’s an assassin/cold-blooded/clutch etc. And its entertaining as hell to listen to these stories. And all this makes for interesting debate imo. Should these guys get a pass for acting this way? If we condone these actions, do we go so far as to view them positively instead of negatively? Going back to MJ trash talking and being hard on his teammates, if a company CEO acted the way MJ did with his teammates, I doubt a lot of people would really praise that CEO for doing what it took to push his company for greatness. If your boss bullied you into giving 100% at your job and spending all your free time at it, you probably wouldnt appreciate it. Granted you arent being paid millions of dollars.. but still. | ||
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