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Ideas
Profile Blog Joined April 2008
United States8175 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-19 17:20:56
March 19 2021 17:19 GMT
#41
Really shitty situation for SK obviously, hopefully he can find relief soon.

But also really looks bad for ASL when one of the best players in the world feels like they can make more money by not participating in the tournament :\ . Definitely not a good sign for the healthiness of the scene when one of the best players thinks/knows they will lose money by only making the Ro8 of the biggest possible tournament that there is.
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Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10365 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-19 17:35:18
March 19 2021 17:34 GMT
#42
On March 20 2021 02:19 Ideas wrote:
Really shitty situation for SK obviously, hopefully he can find relief soon.

But also really looks bad for ASL when one of the best players in the world feels like they can make more money by not participating in the tournament :\ . Definitely not a good sign for the healthiness of the scene when one of the best players thinks/knows they will lose money by only making the Ro8 of the biggest possible tournament that there is.

It's more a statement on the success they have while streaming and the losses they incur when they have to prepare for said tournament, than it is about the payout for a Ro8 placement. How many other videogame tournaments pay out $2000 for an 8th place finish? Maybe like 10% of them at most? Not many, either way. Most tournaments are very top-heavy in their prize distribution and I don't think that is necessarily wrong.

On top of that, would you rather play two Bo3s against someone who is most likely a stone's throw away from your skill, and only if you win both do you get $2000, or would you prefer to stream 8 hours a day/participate in sponmatches for 2 weeks and make $2000 guaranteed? As the saying goes, bird in hand vs. two in the bush. As such, I also think it's more a reflection of SK having to be responsible and not gamble with his ROI in terms of time in his current predicament. Really don't think Afreeca is to blame for anything here.
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whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland577 Posts
March 19 2021 18:59 GMT
#43
On March 19 2021 13:33 GTR wrote:
for whatever reason a lot of korean pros get blindsided by financial fraud (primarily because they let their parents handle their finances and they fall into traps).

there was another notable pro who's parents got caught in a financial scam and lost all of their son's earnings but i forgot who it was.

edit: it was nada who lost 700k in the stock market
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/503190-nada-reveals-his-5-yr-old-daughter



https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/511860-light-interview-translation

Or do you mean Light who was scammed by his mother...
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IntoTheStorm
Profile Blog Joined October 2016
116 Posts
March 19 2021 19:51 GMT
#44
Quite a predicament SK and the others have put themselves into, it seems. I hope they can somehow manage to cope, this doesn't seem like an insignificant loss, what seems like a simple and rather useless car to me can indeed easily cost USD 200000. From what I've heard from my Korean gf, modern Korean society has shifted its values heavily towards money and such scams are kind of on the rise there.
staatbauhaus
Profile Joined February 2020
99 Posts
March 19 2021 20:27 GMT
#45
This happened to other non gaming bj's also.

A scammer would come along donating hundreds of thousands of dollars to gain the trust of Bj's while selling the illusion of being a mega wealthy individual. After time passes building a relationship with the bj's, the scammer would approach with a way to make money and the bj would trust the scammer seeing how they would donate six figures like it's nothing.
And boom scammer takes everyone's money and disappears.
True_Spike
Profile Joined July 2004
Poland3434 Posts
March 19 2021 21:27 GMT
#46
That's a really sad thing to happen to SK, but I really doubt that was it. He must have really messed up to actually be liable for anything.
marwin
Profile Joined June 2011
Ukraine111 Posts
March 19 2021 22:04 GMT
#47
Is there a reason why soulkey turns off his stream sometimes even if the spon proleague is going on which he's still in? (close to midnight KST).
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arbiter_md
Profile Joined February 2008
Moldova1219 Posts
March 19 2021 22:11 GMT
#48
Regardless of what he did, something is seriously broken in the laws there if somebody who probably has less than 100k net income ended up with a debt of 3-400k.
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GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51691 Posts
March 19 2021 23:32 GMT
#49
On March 20 2021 03:59 whaski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2021 13:33 GTR wrote:
for whatever reason a lot of korean pros get blindsided by financial fraud (primarily because they let their parents handle their finances and they fall into traps).

there was another notable pro who's parents got caught in a financial scam and lost all of their son's earnings but i forgot who it was.

edit: it was nada who lost 700k in the stock market
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/503190-nada-reveals-his-5-yr-old-daughter



https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/511860-light-interview-translation

Or do you mean Light who was scammed by his mother...


that was the one i was initially thinking of actually.

but yeah, initial point stands - korean's love getting scammed.
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MinixTheNerd
Profile Joined July 2019
200 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-20 01:09:38
March 20 2021 01:05 GMT
#50
the Korean government needs to create legislation to protect people from these scumbags. 300-400k is more money than most people have saved up for retirement.
ZAWGURN
Profile Joined July 2018
96 Posts
March 20 2021 03:54 GMT
#51
I know Tobi shopify doesnt play BW but he has a billion dollars so pls give money to soulkey tobi!
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RowdierBob
Profile Blog Joined May 2003
Australia13485 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-20 07:34:09
March 20 2021 07:33 GMT
#52
On March 19 2021 22:29 Chosi wrote:
I am pretty sure the signature is NOT the piece that was forged, otherwise Soulkey would not be invovled in all of this. Assume that he signed a contract for a very good deal with some fine print that says in case the dealer goes bankrupt you are second in line to pay the bills, probably concealed in legal mumbo jumbo. Maybe that language was not even in the contract but is implicit by Korean law. Also the guesstimated amount could be one big ass car plus legal fees? There are plenty of very plausible scenarios in which all Soulkey did "wrong" was doing business with shady people and not being on the side of caution with a "too good" deal. Or they simply missed something in the fine print that we all may have missed.

This is what I think may have happened. I suspect SK was coerced into signing something and he didn't fully understand the terms of the contract meaning when it went belly up, he was the one left holding the bag.
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keaneu
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)65 Posts
March 20 2021 08:26 GMT
#53
Personally think soulkey didn't reveal the whole story, there's more than meets the eye. He is a streamer anyways, and his job is to ultimately make a living. Blaming ASL for having low chance at winning decent prize doesn't really help his image as a progamer.
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itsdaniel
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Austria335 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-03-20 09:49:18
March 20 2021 09:49 GMT
#54
On March 19 2021 13:33 GTR wrote:
for whatever reason a lot of korean pros get blindsided by financial fraud (primarily because they let their parents handle their finances and they fall into traps).

there was another notable pro who's parents got caught in a financial scam and lost all of their son's earnings but i forgot who it was.

edit: it was nada who lost 700k in the stock market
https://tl.net/forum/brood-war/503190-nada-reveals-his-5-yr-old-daughter


afaik Stork got also scammed for a large amount of cash, it was so bad at one point he was suicidal....
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Xeln4g4
Profile Joined January 2005
Italy1209 Posts
March 20 2021 14:56 GMT
#55
look hard to come back from that debit ...
M3t4PhYzX
Profile Joined March 2019
Poland4280 Posts
March 20 2021 18:33 GMT
#56
go the DSP's route and go for bankruptcy at this point..

what a terrible situation to be in ;/
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
March 21 2021 00:47 GMT
#57
Debt clearance? Live on existential minimum? Sell stuff pay off debt and declare personal bankruptcy. Clear that debt in 5 years living on close to nothing and be done with it.

It must work like this over there also. If not suicide rates must be skyhigh.
-.-
thedeadhaji *
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
39489 Posts
March 21 2021 03:20 GMT
#58
On March 21 2021 03:33 M3t4PhYzX wrote:
go the DSP's route and go for bankruptcy at this point..

what a terrible situation to be in ;/


This crossed my mind too. Maybe bankruptcies are not allowed under these circumstances.
MeSaber
Profile Joined December 2009
Sweden1235 Posts
March 21 2021 16:10 GMT
#59
Who is DSP?
-.-
N.geNuity
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States5112 Posts
March 21 2021 16:37 GMT
#60
On March 19 2021 08:51 Jealous wrote:
Jesus, what is it with streamers always getting scammed or scamming? Is this common in Korea, or are they just particularly easy targets given the nature of their job, or possibly upbringing (proteam houses, have to play BW all day, etc.)?


I think we know the answer. Streaming/progaming is not a stable career, plus we all know money can swing wildly in streaming. There's the feeling to "get on top while you can" that lets people fall for scams.

It happens in every industry where young people quickly get into some amount of money (even if it is not much money), korean programers maybe even more as most of them werent rich by any means but had a teamhouse of some sort without much living expenses, so if they made even a little bit of money it felt like a lot more than they actually had.
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