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KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4231 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-31 16:02:44
December 31 2020 16:02 GMT
#61
On December 27 2020 18:15 Ziggy wrote:
[image loading]

~~ FlaSh will participate as team leader (instead of BeSt), however team leadership could potentially change mid-season due to FlaSh's imminent military service.


Wait what? I thought Flash was exempt due to his surgery and the gigantic scar he has on his arm/shoulder. Did something change?

Stork was also exempt due to insomnia and Rain due to being a kidney donor. IIRC these were the 3 more relevant pro's with exeptions. Surprise to hear this about Flash.

Will he go to a "desk" job there?
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
DiMiaN
Profile Joined October 2013
Finland299 Posts
December 31 2020 16:15 GMT
#62
by.maru aka Khala in draft pool! hype!!
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
Last Edited: 2020-12-31 16:19:06
December 31 2020 16:18 GMT
#63
On January 01 2021 00:51 FakeFin wrote:
Its yabsab not impact



thats what happens when two people share a name
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
December 31 2020 16:20 GMT
#64
On January 01 2021 01:02 KobraKay wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 27 2020 18:15 Ziggy wrote:
[image loading]

~~ FlaSh will participate as team leader (instead of BeSt), however team leadership could potentially change mid-season due to FlaSh's imminent military service.


Wait what? I thought Flash was exempt due to his surgery and the gigantic scar he has on his arm/shoulder. Did something change?

Stork was also exempt due to insomnia and Rain due to being a kidney donor. IIRC these were the 3 more relevant pro's with exeptions. Surprise to hear this about Flash.

Will he go to a "desk" job there?



i dunno, the post says 'military service issues', i assumed it meant he's going to the army soon
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
angrypofke
Profile Joined March 2017
Lithuania174 Posts
January 01 2021 13:04 GMT
#65
Wait what? Oversky is in the draft pool? THE oldschool pro oversky? Or is it just someone with the same id?
bracala
Profile Joined August 2019
95 Posts
January 01 2021 16:07 GMT
#66
Do we know anything about english cast for this one,any info?
lamarine
Profile Joined January 2003
585 Posts
January 03 2021 10:49 GMT
#67
hwat time is the draft tomorrow, anyone knows?
So... BW is back
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
January 04 2021 10:00 GMT
#68
http://play.afreecatv.com/afstar1/229882733
live
WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
Ziggy
Profile Blog Joined June 2013
South Korea2105 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-04 11:50:30
January 04 2021 10:38 GMT
#69
*please take whatever is in brackets with a big grain of salt, my Korean is very limited
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Draft results:

Round 1:

Snow --> Best

(Snow said that in order to win the league they'll have to beat Flash and Best seems like the right person to do it and he should also manage to do well in PvP and PvZ // Best said he's worried about PvZ)

Larva --> Bisu

(Larva also wanted Best, his aim was to pick people he knows from the Proleague days, hopes Bisu performs like he did in MSL // Bisu thinks putting together an ex-SKT team is kewl)

Light --> Mini

(Light thinks XvP matchups are hard, looks to pick ppl who do well vs P // Mini is surprised he got picked this early)

Flash --> Soulkey

(Flash thinks Soulkey has strong fundamentals // Soulkey thanks Flash for picking him, asks Flash to carry him to victory)

Soma --> Sorry

(Soma considers Sorry a good friend who puts in the work when it comes to practice)

Zero --> Stork

(Agrees Protoss is the race to be worried about right now, thinks it's important to pick someone who does well in vP first and foremost // Stork thinks he does well in situations where both players have the same units at their disposal and recommends Zero pick Rush)

Round 2:

Zero --> Rush

(Zero initially fancied picking Shuttle but concedes Rush has recently been the best performing Terran after Flash and Light)

Soma --> Effort

Flash --> Action

(Something about Action and Soulkey's styles being vastly different)

Light --> hero

Larva --> Ssak

(The casters wonder whether Larva will carry on in his attempt to rebuild SKT, Larva says winning is one thing but winning with style is another // Larva teases picking Hyuk // Ssak contemplates the meaning of life after looking at his team and promises to try hard as long as Larva tries hard as well)

Snow --> JyJ

Round 3:

Snow --> Shuttle

(Asked for a reason, Snow can't think of anything specific that made him choose Shuttle // Snow believes Shuttle was doing well up until about a month ago, Shuttle apologises to his fans for slacking and promises to get back to that level)

Larva requests to call Bisu to ask for advice.

Larva --> Killer

(Larva teases picking Hyuk again, gives up on his dream of putting an all ex-SKT team together and goes for Killer instead)

Light --> Piano

Flash --> free

(Flash is satisfied with his picks so far, agrees Protoss is strong in the current meta and opts to pick one to fill the roster // free knows Flash likes to win and promises to do well)

Soma --> Sharp

(Sharp admits he hasn't been performing well, was worried he might not get picked, thanks Soma // (?) Soma says there's nothing Sharp can't do <3 )

Zero --> Miso

(Zero thinks it's difficult to pick someone at this stage, thinks Miso's ZvZ in 2020 was strong // Miso is ecstatic to be picked // Zero asks Miso to stop shouting and to focus on ZvZ and ZvP // Miso says he's been practicing on ladder unbeknownst to anyone)

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Team captains have the liberty to add up to 2 players to their rosters.
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Team rosters:

  • Snow, Best, JyJ, Shuttle

  • Larva, Bisu, Ssak, Killer

  • Light, Mini, hero, PianO

  • Flash, Soulkey, Action, free

  • Soma, Sorry, Effort, Sharp

  • Zero, Stork, Rush, Miso

WriterDefeating a sandwich only makes it tastier. @imjustziggy
MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
January 04 2021 10:51 GMT
#70
effort such a late choice? Why are they skipping top talent for lower talent?
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MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-04 12:26:15
January 04 2021 10:55 GMT
#71
Snow
Best
JyJ
Shuttle

Larva
Bisu
sSak
Killer

Light
Mini
HerO
PianO

Flash
Soulkey
aCtion
free

Soma
Sorry
EffOrt
Sharp

Queen
Stork
Rush
MisO
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ggsimida
Profile Joined August 2015
1148 Posts
January 04 2021 11:02 GMT
#72
efforts current form isn't really great, hesitation in picking him is understandable
MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
January 04 2021 11:16 GMT
#73
On January 04 2021 20:02 ggsimida wrote:
efforts current form isn't really great, hesitation in picking him is understandable


I saw him and Best slapping each other around the other night... and he did just get out of the military.. I bet competitively he brings the HEAT
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whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland576 Posts
January 04 2021 12:05 GMT
#74
On January 04 2021 20:16 MineraIs wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2021 20:02 ggsimida wrote:
efforts current form isn't really great, hesitation in picking him is understandable


I saw him and Best slapping each other around the other night... and he did just get out of the military.. I bet competitively he brings the HEAT


https://sponbbang.com/profile/?month1=2020-12&month2=2021-01&map_id=0&bj_id=4

Effort has 36,4% winrate since coming back from army, far worse than Shuttle or Free for example. Most notable is his 10-22 record against Shuttle, player who has been notoriously bad since his militaryservice. Maps dont help either, most of Efforts wins against protoss are in Benzene so he is kind of wild card at this point.
it's not just a music it's something else
MineraIs
Profile Joined September 2020
United States846 Posts
Last Edited: 2021-01-04 12:20:54
January 04 2021 12:18 GMT
#75
In my heart I believe Effort is not a JaeDong. ASTL will be his warm up for ASL.
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TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1013 Posts
January 04 2021 14:05 GMT
#76
On January 04 2021 21:05 whaski wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2021 20:16 MineraIs wrote:
On January 04 2021 20:02 ggsimida wrote:
efforts current form isn't really great, hesitation in picking him is understandable


I saw him and Best slapping each other around the other night... and he did just get out of the military.. I bet competitively he brings the HEAT


https://sponbbang.com/profile/?month1=2020-12&month2=2021-01&map_id=0&bj_id=4

Effort has 36,4% winrate since coming back from army, far worse than Shuttle or Free for example. Most notable is his 10-22 record against Shuttle, player who has been notoriously bad since his militaryservice. Maps dont help either, most of Efforts wins against protoss are in Benzene so he is kind of wild card at this point.


I must be completely wrong, i thought shuttle has been notoriously good since out of the military, especially against z (as usual).
TornadoSteve
Profile Joined March 2018
1013 Posts
January 04 2021 14:07 GMT
#77
All in all, groups look fairly balanced. Should be fun to watch!
HaN-
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
France1919 Posts
January 04 2021 14:27 GMT
#78
Thanks Ziggy, was a good read.
Calendaraka Foxhan
whaski
Profile Joined December 2012
Finland576 Posts
January 04 2021 17:42 GMT
#79
On January 04 2021 23:05 TornadoSteve wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 04 2021 21:05 whaski wrote:
On January 04 2021 20:16 MineraIs wrote:
On January 04 2021 20:02 ggsimida wrote:
efforts current form isn't really great, hesitation in picking him is understandable


I saw him and Best slapping each other around the other night... and he did just get out of the military.. I bet competitively he brings the HEAT


https://sponbbang.com/profile/?month1=2020-12&month2=2021-01&map_id=0&bj_id=4

Effort has 36,4% winrate since coming back from army, far worse than Shuttle or Free for example. Most notable is his 10-22 record against Shuttle, player who has been notoriously bad since his militaryservice. Maps dont help either, most of Efforts wins against protoss are in Benzene so he is kind of wild card at this point.


I must be completely wrong, i thought shuttle has been notoriously good since out of the military, especially against z (as usual).



https://sponbbang.com/profile/?month1=2020-08&month2=2021-01&map_id=0&bj_id=11

If we exclude first couple of weeks when Shuttle came back, he still has 40% winrate. Last month it was something like 43%. Yes, his best matchup is pvz with something like 44%. Given the ammount of games Shuttle grinds, it is not good.
it's not just a music it's something else
AF0x
Profile Joined June 2018
United States59 Posts
January 04 2021 17:47 GMT
#80
Wow team Soma looking stacked, lets go
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